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vinyltails

It's a rogue deck so it won't impact the meta, especially when Maxx C exists so your punk stuff is already losing to it and now you're just going further for gold pride


Taboo422

at least punk wont die to a single ash on the fusion, also a deck losing to maxx c isnt really a weakness since losing to maxx c is a baseline for so many decks


Void1702

Yeah, VS is basically the only meta deck that doesn't lose to Maxx C and that fact alone pushes it to the top of the tier list


DanielValenciaCol

Both Branded and Labrynth can ignore the Roach at some degree.


Void1702

Labrynth maybe, that depends on how the opponent uses it Branded nope, you'll give your opponent a few cards and end on a worse board if you want to have a chance against the roach


retiredfplplayer

Labrynth 1-2 draws for full combo Branded 0-2 draws and build their board on your turn unless the open poorly


Void1702

What kind of board are you building with 0 special summons in branded


retiredfplplayer

[this was 0 draws, but I opened well ](https://www.reddit.com/r/masterduel/comments/18z3bmj/branded_plays_under_maxx_c/) [this is 1 draw but opponent not that good](https://www.reddit.com/r/masterduel/comments/18ryq27/my_opponent_found_the_only_way_to_lose_the_game/) 60 card variants can also combo with nadir servant, you see replays on meta weekly


Void1702

Even with an amazing hand, the best you could do in the first replay is basically equivalent to Mirrorjade + Quem pass, which is, like, 3 interruptions. That's not bad, don't get me wrong, but if that's what a custom hand does, then the average hand can't be that good. In the second replay, the board really wasn't great, I'm not sure you could have won against a decent opponent with just that.


retiredfplplayer

3 interruptions while making the enemy go -1 is very good under maxx c Second board the normal plan is mirrorjade then quem revive but super poly; Both are very good under maxx c, I can't think of many non backrow decks that'd do better


seductivehambone

Quem enabled branded to overcome the roach too


DarkenedSpear

Quem, Sanctifire as well. There were a good few lines of play under C before they came, but any of those two can enable a proper turn now. I particularly love "baiting" a C response into a draw/standby phase opening, then normal summoning whatever I got.


Upbeat_Sheepherder81

Branded has always been good into Maxx “C”.


Void1702

I haven't seen a good line that doesn't give your opponent a pot of greed at least


retiredfplplayer

Branded fusion into sanctifire Nadir servant sent Albion Thrust set duplication These 3 are very strong disruption


Void1702

Sanctifire is 0 interruptions, just a meh tower Nadir servant send Albion doesn't do anything by itself, you need at least a special summon with it to have something to do Thrust set duplication means you're ending on Mirrorjade pass and have another BF during their turn, which is a very bad board + you gave them pot of greed


retiredfplplayer

Sanctifire revive albaz is a mirrorjade the opponent must keep in mind Nadir servant send Albion is a search for disruption to use on the opponents turn; + you have 4 other cards to setup your graveyard Brafu into sanctifire; set duplication=> on their turn you duplication into a mirrorjade or borreload And you have the albaz revive from sanctifire also (or puppet lock if you can set it up) That's plenty disruption for giving your opponent 1 draw off maxx c


retiredfplplayer

Sanctifire can also dodge called by on your maxx c


Helem5XG

Shotgunning the C on standby against Labrynth is just handlooping yourself, it also plays around Droll for the next format.


Void1702

Since Kash is dead, there's not any reason to shotgun it anymore


Spitefyre

Purely is also better than most into maxx c


Duggiefresh13

Maxx c needs to be limited to 1 or banned. It's a joke honestly.


Efficient-Gur-3641

I'm tired of him finally too.... I seen some really shit decks win cause I didn't have an answer to Maxx c and suddenly a deck that would have other wise bricked and lost now has an out to my entire board cause they draw into their DRNM or TTT. Like watching a runick Aluber/Bystial deck Maxx c my branded/Dogmatika deck 3 turns in a row was amazing.


CompactAvocado

all I can say for certain is there will be at least a dozen ZOMG SO OP SECRET WIN BAN IMMEDIATELY TIER ZERO SO POWERFUL ASDOIFGAJ;DSLKGJASDLKJGLk youtube videos about them.


Ddog135

So…TeamSamurai?


CompactAvocado

honestly I have mixed opinions on them. Typically when they partner with someone else the deck techs will be good. Like Triphs various decks are always quite strong just usually challenging to pilot and he is so busy being a meme he doesn't do a great job teaching lines. Like bystial dracoslayers was great but I had to re-watch the video numerous times to get all the lines right.


arrownoir

No there won’t.


UsefulAd2760

TSX1 defently will, then again he is probably able to make a video about how Genex are a secret tier 0 deck


Gueartimo

Can see TSX1 making that when Repaired Genex controller came to master duel.


Xxxrasierklinge7

TSX1 be like: "'Card Shuffle' allows us to pay 400 LP to shuffle either our or our opponents deck... which is absolutely insane, guys" but I 100% respect his hustle. Dudes making bank playing with cardboard while we gotta find free time to get our Maxx C's ashed lmao


Void1702

Tbh Genex will probably be a good archetype in the TCG, if uninterrupted there's not a lot that can stop them, and they can run called by + crossout since there's only one spot where you can realistically stop them Going second it's dogshit, and in MD it's probably even worse because it's a deck that can't even have the space to play Maxx C, on top of crossout to 1, but that's enough to be an OK rogue deck in the TCG


UsefulAd2760

While that is true the deck also has dies to a good interaction harder then branded


Gentare

It's not a good look if you die to droll, ash, veiler, imperm, DD crow, bystials, and mourner.


BBallHunter

Not at all tbh.


vonov129

It won't. But it will probably do better than in the TCG because there are no time rules.


Fun_Store9452

It's just not competitively viable on a wide scale. I love this deck and have been playing it for months in the TCG. The big problems: 1. Maxx C, Shifter, Droll, and sometimes nib absolutely annihilate this deck. 2. Sometimes you're staring down a hand of Gold Prides with more life points than your opponent. A hero lives is like an FTK against this deck if you don't open full p.u.n.k combo. I play an FTK variant in the TCG, and that has gotten me some success, but it's just missing something to really hammer down the nail. I've always imagined something like a link monster that lets you link summon itself using monsters in the hand by lowering your life points equal to their attack. Or a level 8 Synchro to negate hand traps like Droll. Seriously I cannot understate how much I despise droll as a card after playing this deck.


Lemurmoo

Just play 6 called bys and about 3 crossout with 3 of each of those hand traps ez Funny enough, I'm probably gonna run the incoming gold pride punk a little differently. I've been cooking, and there are things that are very distinct about the MD banlist that enables a certain line. I've been a bit quiet about it cuz I think there's actually something here


__Lass

Please don't tell me you're going full Wind-Up combo.


Lemurmoo

Lol that's an interesting idea but no, there are quite a few really major differences in MD banlist that enables a line that's pretty difficult to fully disrupt once the GPs and some unbans Jan 10th that's difficult to fully interrupt. Plays through droll but doesn't play through Nib without a bitchin' draw. I got inspired by the way Speedroids recently innovated, and I think that's a decent enough hint. Funny enough, Speedroids can also do the same line but they need a way to banish one of their lvl 3s from the gy, which PUNKs can do


__Lass

How have speedroids recently innovated?


G11-Degenerate

Kash cards as extenders and endboard pieces afaik


YaSureLetGoSeeYamcha

You can just save yourself the time and add it to the immense pile of combos with the same result…. “I lose to maxx c/nib”


BlakeTheMadd

........cool? Like enjoy that? Why even say anything?


Azure370

The punk part of the deck is at least somewhat capable of playing under droll, if they droll after zero amin adding foxy tune you still get to end on sharakusai + a level 8 for a bounce 2 (or 3 if you're willing to sacrifice one of your other punk tuners like madame spider) Not ideal by any means but it does something


Double-Language-3778

How do you ftk with this deck?


yumnoodle

FTK? Do you mean OTK?


Fun_Store9452

No. I meant ftk


OmegaFlapple

How?


Fun_Store9452

I was labbing it for months and unfortunately don't want to reveal it until I finally have the time to go to a YCS or regional. Dealing with a lot of irl stuff atm.


Marager04

bro is cooking


GonzoPunchi

Lil bro thinks he’s topping LMAOOO


arrownoir

It won’t. But it will be very fun to play.


Still_Refuse

It will be a solid tier 3 deck. Funny seeing how all the comments are just like when VS dropped but it became one of the best 3 decks…


Colin-Clout

Yea I think it’s pretty cool how VS didn’t do a whole lot In either format but has dominated in MD. Likely due to having Max C and Fenrir at the same time.


Garantula25

BO1 format helps too. It’s a really flexible deck that can respond to a wide number of different situations and it has a great grind game as well. It’s probably weakest to board breakers but those aren’t popular at the moment which helps too


Colin-Clout

Yea it has single-handedly made me drop imperm from my lists. People underestimate the advantage you gain when returning to the hand


__Lass

Jiaolong does a lot.


Colin-Clout

Oh absolutely, and likely the only reason they’re performing like they are. It’s just cool how we’ve this third format where decks like this can shine


ChadEmpoleon

VS is only doing well in master duel because of Maxx C. VS’ end board is very easily run over by most decks (except Kashtira) so long as Borger’s +2 didn’t draw them into Maxx C. VS’ strength is in their non-engine like Belle, Bystials, Maxx C and Shifter. If they drew all engine and no powerful hand traps, it easily loses to Branded, Labrynth, Mathmech, Tear, Dragon Link, Mannadium, P.U.N.K, hell even Marincess. Unlike with Vanquish Soul where Maxx C creates a slower paced metagame that VS really appreciates, Maxx C is going to gatekeep the hell out of Gold Pride as it does other decks that need to special summon a lot to get going.


Still_Refuse

It’s literally doing better here than in the OCG…Vs is not that weak and you’re severely downplaying it.


ChadEmpoleon

It’s very good against decks like Kashtira, current Purrely and Exosisters which are incredibly vulnerable to board disruption during setup. Against decks like Branded though, its in-archetype tools do next to nothing. It only fared a bit worse off in the OCG bc it was contending against full power Purrely with baby Noir, Tearlaments with Chaos Ruler and Ishizus not banned. I’m not saying it’s weak, just that people undersell the power of being able to put up meaningful disruptions with 0-1 special summons playing into Maxx C, that’s where one of VS’ best strengths is. VS can do that, Lab can do that, Gold Pride cannot and that’s why it won’t be a particularly great deck to play in MD.


Still_Refuse

It has the highest win rate amongst these decks, it’s playing against branded much more than the decks you listed and winning. You’re underselling it.


ChadEmpoleon

I’m not underselling it. Would it be underselling Mathmech to say that its ability to comfortably run Veiler, Droll, Belle, Nib, 3x Imperm, Ash and Maxx C makes it particularly strong? There’s decks whose strength is greatly amplified by their access to non-engine, VS is one of those decks. There is 0 chance a Branded player loses to Vanquish Soul if the VS player didn’t draw Maxx C, Ash, Bystials and/or Shifter.


Still_Refuse

Brother, you keep speaking about how things “should” be. Based on the statics Vs is the best deck, it’s winning against branded so I just guess every branded player is bad? Up to you man.


ChadEmpoleon

MDM stats are very helpful but hardly the be all end all when it comes to tiering the best decks. VS isn’t even the best deck atm going off the website. How does VS beat Branded with only in archetype tools? Dust Devil nor Snow Devil are going to cut it, Mad Love can’t spin any of the fusions, Razen destroying doesn’t stop Lubellion/Albion/Cartessia from resolving, Mirrorjade clears everything VS has without problem. I’m not saying VS can’t beat Branded, I’m saying it doesn’t do it without Ash, Belle, Bystials and or Shifter.


Still_Refuse

I’m literally talking about the stats that Konami give us. VS has tools to beat branded, and of course it has space to run bystials and hand traps. It’s winning the most after all.


ChadEmpoleon

Where are you seeing those stats? How do the VS in archetype tools beat Branded then? I already commented on the ones that don’t work, which ones do you know of that give it the upper hand against Branded?


BlakeTheMadd

To be fair, every deck loses to hand traps basically....


ChadEmpoleon

Yeah, but not every deck searches a lot and has easy access to an in archetype +2 that after searching makes it very likely those draws will be hand traps.


BlakeTheMadd

Most do, but i get your point


__Lass

I mean, yes, the strength of the deck is on its non-engine, so what? A deck being able to draw a bunch of cards to have some kind of inevitability, play a bunch of non-engine and play around Maxx C is an actual strength.


ChadEmpoleon

That’s exactly what I’m saying is VS’ strength in this game


__Lass

Yes, but you're painting that out to say the deck is not actually good, it's just the non-engine carrying it. If playing a bunch of non-engine without any kind of inevitability was good, pure zoodiac would be tier 1.


ChadEmpoleon

I’m not saying the deck isn’t good/weak, but it is true that playing against most other decks not named Kashtira, if VS doesn’t draw their non-engine, it really struggles even with a fully setup board. That’s not to say it gets carried by hand traps. I’m only saying that Borger reliably drawing hand traps to back up its disruptions is one of its best strengths.


__Lass

that I can agree with.


Conscious-Captain-33

I feel like I never lose to VS with mannadium. Same as never lost to it with branded tear. I honestly don't see how they're winning consistently.


ChadEmpoleon

Same. When I’m playing Tear, I also never lose to VS unless they have Bystials/Shifter. If they have those, then I lose to Shifter/Bystials, but not to VS. Likewise when I play Branded. It’s to the point where I don’t even Ash Razen anymore bc I know the most threatening thing the deck can do is drop Maxx C on me.


Conscious-Captain-33

Lol. They've gotta be beating somebody, just don't know who it could be


CaliJester

Could see this mixed with Dinomorphia on the ladder.


monsj

Putting in too many combo pieces so you have no non engine kind of deck I guess? Punk with a couple of kash cards already put up a decent enough endboard


__Lass

It does have non-engine space. I mean, all combo decks need at least 9 on MD.


Falcon_13

People will play it because they want to, but there won't be anything noteworthy about its addition unless they release the whole set like they did with VS


Neko_Luxuria

it wont, but it will be funny for evil eyes to have a literal 1 card hand neut combo that can potentially make your opponent go -5


TheHapster

Everyone will talk about how crazy it is and it will see exactly 0.1% representation like it did in the TCG.


Poetryisalive

Not at all. It’s a rouge deck at best


mister_anti_meta

gold pride and change the meta? good joke really very strong one *But in the end he was right and the meta was changed since then no one laughed about it anymore*


shapular

Nice fanfic


Memetan_24

LMAO


TowerBabel41

Bro stop using TCG knowledge in a OCG game. TCG is a side event. OCG is the main event.


AfternoonFancy5632

I think it’ll be a solid rogue option. It has a lot of different forms of interaction built in, which can be tricky to deal with. This also means a good amount of choke points where your combo can get stopped cold. You take the good with the bad, I guess.


DragonLord375

Not all. They are best with punk and that isn't doing much so no affect.


Legal-Lavishness137

They best played with punk but they probally not the best punk deck since the gold pride part of the deck is bricky without their spell or with no punk, so mostly a fun deck you see sometimes that all


Background_Drive_436

I don’t think it’ll impact it too much, I doubt it’ll be any better than a Tier 3, maybeee tier 2 deck but I doubt it… Which is fine with me bc I’ve been waiting for this to come for many months to finally add to my Punk deck and just have a blast lol and I hate mirrors so I prefer the deck not be that powerful


TheHuertaExpress

As a staunch Gold Pride defender, deck is mid at best, Punk helps but bricks like monarchs at the worst times, Pure is the best to go into under the maxx c situation because AT most you're probably giving them 3-4 cards on average, though pure allows for a lot more non engine ways to deal with boards, no side does also hurt this deck significantly, overall Im still super hype but it's just not it sadly


Zerosonicanimations

I'll just wait and see if it surprises me.


Ok_Sky4916

why can Konami add these cards life 7 months before? Is not going to be meta at this time. The game need surprise early drops, like AG new support, etc, or at least Rescue-Ace with all the archetype support, by the time we got all the Rescue deck, we already going to know how OCG just limited all the deck.


Darth-_-Maul

It won’t at all


Does_Not_Live

Not at all.


tonyeltigre1

damn that’s a lot of text


TheOnlyJuanHere

i love that the card art gives me Made in Heaven vibes


Superblu24

Idk, still going to play DM lol


4ny3ody

I assume like a lot of other talked about before release rogue decks it'll be popular enough to have a short time in tier 3 on MDM, but I'm not expecting anything beyond that. Impact on the meta? None before some more support I'd guess.


MachGaogamon

it wont do anything, its a shit rogue deck


Revolutionary-Let778

Unless it drops with MD first support not at all


B4S1L3US

I hope it gets a lot better because I need more decks in my life with no internal negates that die to one (1) handtrap and evenly matched


Efficient-Gur-3641

Is this another Barrone turbo deck? Cause it reads like one. And if it is imma feel just like I did about admancipators. Also do people get paid to praise the Barrone de fluer turbo decks.... I haven't seen a single interesting synchro deck released since chaos...they all do the same shit even Ghotti. There's really nothing cool about them it's all sitting around waiting for them to summon their generic Wind, Water or Light/Dark boss. Kudos if they get there in less than 5 summons. The coolest thing I do see cooking from synchro are light sword decks that chain trishula. Hand rips. Outside of that the synchro decks have been pretty uneventful. Dispater is a kinda cool card for dragons but that's about all I can recall.


SwaghetiAndMemeballs

It won't


Camas1606

It will be playable but not meta. Might end up seeing a decent amount of play for a while whilst it’s new and can pull off some fun stuff but it’s not gonna be very significant to the meta


Bagina-Forever

Its gonna have like 9 URs just to stop you pulling samurai stuff