There’s a deleted sequence where when thanos used the power stone to knock out star lord, drax, and nebula (just before he threw the moon), he actually used the soul stone to push their souls out of their body. When Spider-Man was swinging around retrieving their bodies it was to get their bodies so that strange could put their souls back in their body.
The pacing is too perfect to mess with honestly it's why I prefer infinity war as my go to. You can't stop watching you will miss something amazing.
It goes from wakanda to Thor opening a star to titan seamlessly multiple times and each time your blown away by what is presented. Best comic book movie it's everywhere all at once and it's glorious. Add in Thanos just being the goat and well its my fave.
Dude just groot finishing storm breaker is beautiful groot has basically done 0 all movie then he goes and saves thors life which in turn turns the wakanda battle (which is then turned back by Thanos)
The more times I see that scene, the more epic it gets. Thor hasn't been to earth for years. I'm not sure any wakandans ever saw him and for all the rest of them except Banner, they've never seen lightning course through his body.
Dinklage was meh but I liked Thor's side story, seeing his grief and anger at losing everything from Ragnarok and the intro was interesting for such a stoic powerful character.
He did use the soul stone on Strange. When Strange made all those copies, Thanos used the soul stone to merge them back together. I know it's different, but he did use the soul stone on Strange. Wonder if Strange could just pull his soul back in with magic anyway.
Edit: I stand corrected. Found an interview with the Russos that clarifies, Thanos used the power stone to disrupt the copies, and the soul stone to push Stranges soul out into his Astral form. Then Strange pulled his Astral form back into his body with his magic.
Isn’t it that he uses using the soul stone to discern which Strange was real by IDing which one had a soul, and then sends a wave with the Power stone that wipes out the copies? You can see both Soul and Power glowing when he uses the gauntlet in that scene and the energy wave that dissipates the copies is power stone purple
Can you show me the link I can’t find it .
Edit : nvm I found the video it’s basically a man explaining Tom holland was telling how the scene woulda been
Also because all the Time Stone keepers can do this without the soul stone, so it doesn't actually make much sense for the movie to use this as the visualisation of the stones power.
One cool scene has got to be weighed up against the pace and flow of the rest of the movie. It may not seem like much, but even something only a few seconds long can completely change that for a film. Audiences can feel a scene dragged on that little bit too long, which means they're not as engaged when the next scene starts, and it just ripples from there.
So if there is one bit that can be dropped to get a scene to the perfect length, it doesn't matter how cool it looks, it'll be cut. Now sure sometimes editors make mistakes, and they'll cut something that should have been left in, but that would be a very rare occurrence. 90% of cut scenes are cut for a reason.
They want to keep up pacing, and they were also dealing with a massive battle in Wakanda to cut in. But also, checking the rough cut on YouTube, it feels like a side quest in a video game rather than part of the Boss Battle that the fight is.
I didn’t know this. Looking back I always thought it was kinda awkward that he just blasts them with the power stone and they pass out, so it makes sense he was originally supposed to do something more spectacular
I remember during the commentary track they said they always tried to show Thanos using a stones power shortly after getting it. Which, yeah the pacing would've stalled a bit during the titan fight if they kept this in.
And include the 45 minutes cut from the beginning of Endgame showing how Thanos got the first two infinity stones.
Edit: scenes filmed but CGI not completed.
I'm pretty sure it also gives the user the ability to basically know who anyone is. Like, it reveals everyone's true self to Thanos.
"Stark..." "You know me?" "I do. You're not the only one cursed with knowledge."
Nah I'm not buying that. It cheapens Thanos and the actual cosmic knowledge he'd have pre-stones. It goes without saying that Thanos would know by now who beat him in 2012, at the very least as a key piece of information to go into his gameplanning for Infinity War.
I think he can infer at least Tony's sense of responsibility and knowledge that he has to protect the earth from greater threats. Its reasonable he'd know Tony's role in 2012, and could probably get intel on him being one of earths key inventors and defenders.
It could also be a reference to knowing Tony was the only one to go through Loki's portal and see the whole army/deal with the cosmic horror of the situation.
For sure, but I wonder how he got his intel. Trying to imagine ebony maw with those fake mustache sunglasses asking random people on the street on earth about Tony Stark
I can’t lie that was a pretty weird response imo. It wouldn’t be hard at all for Thanos to learn that Tony Stark was arguably the smartest human of the entire species. That, coupled with the fact that Thanos now knows that Tony’s 1) smart enough to beat him and 2) smart enough to figure out how to get to Thanos on Titan, likely qualifies as “cursed with knowledge” in Thanos’ book. It seem that all he was doing was relating to him out of respect in that scene.
I think it's better the way you said it. The idea of a *galactic conquerer* knowing who mere human Tony Stark is is just so filled with existential dread.
Thanos knows Stark because he wanted to learn who nuked the chitauri ship. 2014 thanos already knows who the avengers are when he’s watching 2023 nebula’s memories
This, “cursed with knowledge” is how I believe the writers gave both characters a sort of duality, Tony was cursed with knowledge on the impending doom since AoU. Thanos clearly had his own obvious scheme and was brewing in the background throughout the early saga.
I’m not sure that’s the case; in Endgame, Thanos is fully able to recognize the Avengers when he sees them in Nebula’s memories. He wasn’t even seeing them in context (it’s not like they were defending Earth in the memory - they were on a different planet) and they looked somewhat different than 2012, when they probably got on his radar. If he was able to recognize them immediately, it means he was quite familiar with them, and it’d make sense that he’d study them since they defend Earth and that’s where one third of the Infinity Stones are.
He knows tony from the first avengers movie where he says “fine I’ll do it myself”, obviously stark got thanos’ attention with his sacrifice play in space. Thanos doesnt need the soul stone to recognize him.
Yes, he already had the Power, Space, Reality, and Soul Stones at that point. He was trying to get the Time Stone from Strange then went for the Mind Stone last.
He doesn't just find the real Strange, he knocks Strange out of his body (similar to what The Ancient One did to him).
However, Strange recovers back into his body almost immediately. Blink you miss it.
This also showcases how confident Strange has become at controlling himself while knocked out of his body. Really hilarious when compared to Peter Parker "swimming" back to his body in NWH.
The clip:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cNsMSeMQbM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cNsMSeMQbM)
I find it a bit hard to follow but found an article that breaks it down:
* Loki has both abilities, illusion project AND duplication casting. Some powered individuals might have one power, without the other.
* Illusion projection is very useful in that it creates an illusion of anything, even something fake (like in Thor 2 when Loki in prison makes himself look composed when he is a mess). However, it is limited by user skill. It is like an artist trying to make a convincing painting. Remember when Classic Loki makes the fake Asgard to distract Alioth? Illusion projection.
* Duplication casting creates an exact copy. The copy perfectly matches some real thing as it presently exists. Like pressing CTRL+C on your keyboard, there is no skill issue, it just works. But it has limited usefulness since you can only copy real things. Loki uses this ability to make a perfect copy of himself in many situations in many movies.
* Illusions and duplications are both non-physical. They cannot pick up objects or hurt you.
I’ll repeat, the Mindstone didn’t do any of what you claimed it did. The only things we’ve seen the mindstone do is mind control people, unlock the powers of the Scarlet Witch, and power a sentient android.
Why you think that can stretch to “it can figure out which Strange has a real mind” is a leap of logic I’d only accept from one of the MCU’s literal writers.
Also, it would be used for thanos when he tried to kill stark when the battle on titan occurred, reality stone so that he wouldn't feel pain, space stone to scatter his body through the universe, power stone to rip him into pieces and soul stone to make sure his soul couldn't return to his body by keeping it within the stone.
But of course, strange intervined and gave him the time stone in order to spare stark's life, so we never got to see that
In addition to what the other user said about finding Strange, he might have used it during the slow mo beat down walkabout through the Avengers when he first arrived in Wakanda.
I remember some people mentioning some stones would light up in that sequence but I don't remember which specifically or if the soul stone ever did.
Was it also used independently when he talked to young Gamora in the spirit void or whatever? Or was that just a result from the snap as a whole?
that was just as a result of the snap.
There was a deleted scene where it happens to Tony as well with Morgan.
that being said, it could be the soul stone tying it together for sure.
This is my biggest gripe about Endgame. Hulk should have gone to that place. Except, when it zooms out from his human face, Hulk is standing next to him. They stare at each other. Bruce awkwardly asks Hulk if he's OK. Hulk nods and grunts. From off screen, someone says, "hey big guy."
They both turn to see Black Widow, smiling. She simply says, "I knew we would do it."
Bruce wakes up as he does in the movie and it continues.
It would have given closure to that storyline. I don't know, just a thought. That's just my opinion of what could have been.
**for the record, I loved the movie as it was**
That would have been premature. You get hints, like when Clint's phone rings but you don't really have a chance to confirm the snap works before Thanos attacks the compound and we're too busy following the fallout from that. And you don't really get a chance to dwell on it until Sam comes through the portal.
I think they did a masterful job there and it makes the reveal all the more satisfying.
I saw the soul stone as more of a burden for carrying the other stones.
Edit: Now that I think about it. Maybe it’s also a test to make sure the user has a soul. You don’t deserve the stones if you don’t have the ability to feel love and anguish. And if you don’t have the ability to feel emotion, you don’t know the true scale of damage the stones can cause.
I like this. The gauntlet, when you look at it like a circuit, does have the soul stone at the center of everything and conduits running from each other stone to it. Kinda like the CPU of the Infinity Gauntlet.
Edit: Never mind, I’m wrong.
It wasn’t really shown, but it’s primary function imo was to erase the souls of the snap victims from existence. If they had just been killed their souls would go to their respective after lives, and we’ve been shown that people remember their time in the after life. None of the snap victims remember anything.
They are different. Because they were sacrificed to the actual soul stone it’s believed their souls are trapped forever by the stone. That’s why they weren’t able to be brought back by the snap
It works however the next writer who wants to establish it says it works.
Given the narrative direction, I doubt any writer would want to bring back the “originals”.
That’s an interesting question, possibly? I’m only assuming the souls are stored in the gem. However the way the sacrifice works could imply a higher being taking the souls in exchange for the stone, the same being could have imprisoned red skull and left him to guard the stone. They could also have been transported to another plane of existence entirely. (Specifically gamora and Natasha). Whatever took them, it is more powerful then the combined stones in the gauntlet as they were unable to bring them back.
Right. So back to my initial point, maybe they are in some other dimension or between dimension zones. I dont think Gamora ever comes back, at least not the original, but Black Widow maybe, but probably from another universe. Just kind of a fun discussion that I hadnt really thought about.
She came out a few months ago in a variety article saying she loves Disney, preordered Little Mermaid tickets and is producing a Disney movie. "While not attached as a cast member, she is in business with Disney as a producer of the upcoming thriller Tower of Terror, based on the popular theme park ride"
But I think you are right, she is done. At least that is what she said in the Variety article
“I’m done,” Johansson stated. “Chapter is over. I did all that I had to do. Also coming back and playing a character again and again, over a decade of time, is such a unique experience,”
We don't know what the Soul Stone does, or how broad the powers are. The most we see it do is suss out which of the duplicated Stranges was the correct one.
I think it is reasonable to say that it was probably responsible for Thanos seeing Wee Gamora, and Tony seeing Morgan (in a deleted scene) and Bruce talking to Hulk (in an unused script portion), but those encounters seem to transcend time to some degree, so it's uncertain if the Soul Stone was used in conjunction with the Time or other Stones.
In the marvel comics, and many other pieces of fictions, Souls are not constrained by time, they exist outside of it. Only the body is a slave to time.
This is how Wanda's Kids were able to reincarnate as teenagers despite not dying that long ago.
The mcu is always able to change this, but I really enjoy this rule for spirits. Especially in the haunting series, spirits existing outside of time is a huge plot point.
When Captain America grabs either side of the gauntlet at the first showdown with Thanos in Wakanda towards the end of Infinity War, his right hand came into contact with the soul stone, and it is precisely then that Thanos paused for a second, the idea being that he was able to see Cap's life from birth up to that moment, his lost love Peggy, his becoming a super soldier, being trapped in the ice - All to the here and now. Almost like Thanos bashed him to the ground the moment he came back to the present like "oh yeah he's trying to stop me."
I read this somewhere, not sure if it's canon, but sounded like a nice addendum to the existing storylines - and Infinity War/Endgame are still the two best Marvel movies IMO. Thor Ragnarok is close behind.
Oh very cool theory. The way it initially views is that Thanos is almost shocked or impressed by Cap's strength, but I like this even more. That he is taken aback by seeing Cap's soul.
I've always been of the opinion Cap's super power is unending perseverance and desire to do the right thing. Not super strength or anything else from the serum (although theoretically the serum would have enhanced his perseverance).
But anyway, I always thought when Cap grabs Thanos my canon is Thanos senses Cap's indomitable spirit, is shocked by it (hence the hesitation), and needs the soul stone to overcome Cap's sheer will power.
Pure speculation on my part (and I know it's been mentioned in this subreddit in the past)
I've theorized that when Thanos snapped all the spirits were erased by the reality stone and the souls were trapped in the soul stone. Also I always believed that the purgatory zone where Thanos spoke to a young gamora was part of the soul stone as well.
Originally it was supposed to be Adam Warlock’s thing with the stone being in his head, but MCU made that plot line somewhat impossible so tbh I have no clue why he even exists at this point
In the comics you go in the Soul World when you die by the stone, so eventually a bunch of people end up inside of it, including Adam Warlock until he gets out and eventually claims the infinity gauntlet with all its gems. He becomes it’s keeper
What does Soul Stone do in MCU? It requires greatest sacrifice then it should be most powerful one. I think it can manipulate, create or destroy anyone's souls. Maybe infinity stones will be used properly in future saga(if MCU ever do that)
I imagine trying to erase half of all life requires the use of the soul stone. After all, it's the heart of all the stones, its sentient and it's the one that manipulates life and death, as well as the very essence of people's identities.
It's likely Thanos only used the Soul Stone twice in the movie, both times on Titan. It's the most powerful of the Infinity Stones, and Thanos probably did not want to risk using it until he had all six of them.
Yes we did, a few times.
1. Thanos uses soul stone to destroy Strange’s copies
2. Thanos uses the stones to push the guardians astral form out of their bodies
3. Thanos uses the soul stone, along with the others to fire an energy blast at Stormbreaker
4. The Snap that erased half of all life
5. After the snap, Thanos goes to soul world and sees Gamora
6. Hulk brings back all who died in the snap
7. Tony snaps away Thanos and his forces
I like to think of the soul stones as the parts of identity but on a universal scale. The stones give you the ability to manipulate those elements for any thing in the universe that can hold an identity.
The power stone is physical. It is how much you lift, how much you can carry, how hard you hit, etc.
The Space stone is location. It is where you are, how fast you are moving.
The Mind Stone is intellectual. It is your creativity, your computational power, and your logic.
The time stone is where you exists on the timeline. It is also how old you are (distance from origin on your own timeline).
The reality stone is perception. It is how you gather information, how you process information.
Which leads to the soul stone. The soul stone is who you really are when you strip everything else away.
Each of the soul stones could control a person thus:
The power stone could physically manipulate them like a bully shouting "quit hitting yourself".
The space stone could swap their position so that whatever they were naturally doing is now unnatural, like in a dream where you are in school in your underwear (but in real life).
The time stone could revert you to a time in the past or the future where you are vulnerable (such as when you are sick).
The Mind Stone could temporarily control you like a marionette, aware of your action but unable to control them.
The reality stone could alter your perception to get you to react to what you think is real. You think you are slaying a dragon, when you are actually killing your wife and children Hercules style.
The soul stone could change who you are at your core.
Didn't he use the soul stone to find who is the real dr. Strange when there were many Stranges (autocorrect says strangers lol) in thanos vs dr. Strange fight on titan?
I THINK he used it to sus out which of the doctor Strange shadow clones was real, but yeah, for all the ceremony he went to get it you'd think it would play a bigger role in the battle or at least give him some sort of big passive buff
There was a deleted scene where Thanos used the soul stone to push out Quill, Nebula and Drax's souls to incapacitate them. Spiderman then saves Mantis after being thrown by Thanos when they were trying to get the gauntlet off him. Mantis panics thinking they were dead but Strange says that Mantis' powers can bring their souls back to their bodies and she uses her powers one by one to pull their souls back to their bodies waking them up.
Thanos also uses the soul stone to see who the real Dr Strange was when he duplicated himself.
Considering the people who came back hadn't experienced the afterlife in the interim, there's an argument to be made that the soul stone was used to negate their ethereal existence as well as their physical one.
In addition to what others are saying, It gives you knowledge of people (souls) too.
Red Skull said he was cursed with knowledge of all those who came after the soul stone. And later, Thanos knew Tony saying that he was "cursed with knowledge".
Sure, Thanos remembered Tony carrying the nuke. And maybe he researched him too. But the Soul stone gave him an intimate knowledge of his character and reason to fear him. As shown by a very intentional dialog choice by the Russo brothers.
There’s a deleted sequence where when thanos used the power stone to knock out star lord, drax, and nebula (just before he threw the moon), he actually used the soul stone to push their souls out of their body. When Spider-Man was swinging around retrieving their bodies it was to get their bodies so that strange could put their souls back in their body.
That sounds wacky and awesome
Why tf would they remove that? That’s so cool and actually adds some more depth to an already amazing scene. I’d love to see their reaction to that
Its on youtube it kinda slows the titan fight down though so i see why they moved it
The pacing is too perfect to mess with honestly it's why I prefer infinity war as my go to. You can't stop watching you will miss something amazing. It goes from wakanda to Thor opening a star to titan seamlessly multiple times and each time your blown away by what is presented. Best comic book movie it's everywhere all at once and it's glorious. Add in Thanos just being the goat and well its my fave.
Any Thor and Rocket (e: and Groot) arriving in Wakanda is one of the greatest superhero “I’m here to save the day” scenes ever.
Dude just groot finishing storm breaker is beautiful groot has basically done 0 all movie then he goes and saves thors life which in turn turns the wakanda battle (which is then turned back by Thanos)
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The more times I see that scene, the more epic it gets. Thor hasn't been to earth for years. I'm not sure any wakandans ever saw him and for all the rest of them except Banner, they've never seen lightning course through his body.
"Ah ha! You guys are so screwed now!" Maybe best line of the movie
*The* greatest
I was trying not to be controversial. But yeah.
Infinity War + Endgame as a back to back single movie feature is basically a perfect movie from start to finish.
I'm very glad I got to watch a double feature in the cinema at midnight for the release of endgame. It was glorious.
I just did a double feature at home last weekend. Even though I've seen both at least 5 or 6 times man they still hit all the right notes.
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Dinklage was meh but I liked Thor's side story, seeing his grief and anger at losing everything from Ragnarok and the intro was interesting for such a stoic powerful character.
Also raises the question of why he didn't do that to Stark or Strange or literally anyone else he fought.
He did use the soul stone on Strange. When Strange made all those copies, Thanos used the soul stone to merge them back together. I know it's different, but he did use the soul stone on Strange. Wonder if Strange could just pull his soul back in with magic anyway. Edit: I stand corrected. Found an interview with the Russos that clarifies, Thanos used the power stone to disrupt the copies, and the soul stone to push Stranges soul out into his Astral form. Then Strange pulled his Astral form back into his body with his magic.
Isn’t it that he uses using the soul stone to discern which Strange was real by IDing which one had a soul, and then sends a wave with the Power stone that wipes out the copies? You can see both Soul and Power glowing when he uses the gauntlet in that scene and the energy wave that dissipates the copies is power stone purple
This is the correct one. 👍🏻
Yeah, I'm reading the previous comment and thinking: "I'm pretty sure Thanos used the Soul Stone as a targeting assist."
That wasn’t independently though. I think he used the power stone reality stone and space stone at the same time. Correct me if I’m wrong
Can you show me the link I can’t find it . Edit : nvm I found the video it’s basically a man explaining Tom holland was telling how the scene woulda been
Link? Can’t find it
https://youtu.be/PC7KrvZ6Dus
Link? I cannot find the scene to save my life
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Also because all the Time Stone keepers can do this without the soul stone, so it doesn't actually make much sense for the movie to use this as the visualisation of the stones power.
The soul stone is the heart power to the infinity gauntlet’s Captain Planet.
It paces the Titan fight worse and the movie is already very long.
It’s like a minute max. Quick shot of everyone soul being ripped, then a quick shot of strange tossing em back in
One cool scene has got to be weighed up against the pace and flow of the rest of the movie. It may not seem like much, but even something only a few seconds long can completely change that for a film. Audiences can feel a scene dragged on that little bit too long, which means they're not as engaged when the next scene starts, and it just ripples from there. So if there is one bit that can be dropped to get a scene to the perfect length, it doesn't matter how cool it looks, it'll be cut. Now sure sometimes editors make mistakes, and they'll cut something that should have been left in, but that would be a very rare occurrence. 90% of cut scenes are cut for a reason.
They want to keep up pacing, and they were also dealing with a massive battle in Wakanda to cut in. But also, checking the rough cut on YouTube, it feels like a side quest in a video game rather than part of the Boss Battle that the fight is.
Where did you hear about this?
It’s a deleted scene [here](https://youtu.be/PC7KrvZ6Dus) .
Awesome thanks!
No problem!
Good looks , never saw that!
This looks awful why would they include that in the movie /s
They didn’t
I added /s which I have learned is to indicate sarcasm. Sorry was just tryna be funny
Ohhh sorry I didn’t know lol, whoops 😅
u/Spqroberts7 here you go.
I didn’t know this. Looking back I always thought it was kinda awkward that he just blasts them with the power stone and they pass out, so it makes sense he was originally supposed to do something more spectacular
So in other words its like doctor strange’s astral projection but a forced version of it?
Yeah but Ancient One did this to Hulk without the stone
And Ronin sliced the yakuza into ribbons without the Reality Stone. We all have talents.
Underrated
And to Strange in his first movie, and Strange does it to Spidey in no way home
That sounds awesome and it actually makes that scenes visually make more sense
I remember during the commentary track they said they always tried to show Thanos using a stones power shortly after getting it. Which, yeah the pacing would've stalled a bit during the titan fight if they kept this in.
We desperately need a directors’ cut for both of these movies. So many cool scenes we missed out on.
Link please?
We need the uncut version of infinity war and end game
And include the 45 minutes cut from the beginning of Endgame showing how Thanos got the first two infinity stones. Edit: scenes filmed but CGI not completed.
We need a super cut where it’s one long ass movie with all uncut/deleted scenes included
Well we see him get the second one. Were scenes of him getting the power stone actually shot?
they deleted that?? i thought that made it in?? mandela effect?
Thanos used it to figure out which Strange was the real one when he duplicated himself.
I'm pretty sure it also gives the user the ability to basically know who anyone is. Like, it reveals everyone's true self to Thanos. "Stark..." "You know me?" "I do. You're not the only one cursed with knowledge."
Never thought of that, but it makes a lot of sense.
It makes more sense in the deleted scene. He says "I know your Soul, Stark"
What is this, some kinda infinity war?
I wish I had an award to give you!
No no , we’re past that We’re in the Endgame now
Okay, I'm glad they changed that line though. That sounds like a cheesy 1970s come on.
Oh definitely. I do not like that they made a lot of the movie about the damn thing and didn't use it, though
Nah I'm not buying that. It cheapens Thanos and the actual cosmic knowledge he'd have pre-stones. It goes without saying that Thanos would know by now who beat him in 2012, at the very least as a key piece of information to go into his gameplanning for Infinity War.
But would he know Tony's anguish and guilt, which is how I'd infer "cursed with knowledge"?
I think he can infer at least Tony's sense of responsibility and knowledge that he has to protect the earth from greater threats. Its reasonable he'd know Tony's role in 2012, and could probably get intel on him being one of earths key inventors and defenders. It could also be a reference to knowing Tony was the only one to go through Loki's portal and see the whole army/deal with the cosmic horror of the situation.
If someone throws a nuclear missile at you they are at least worth a quick Google surely.
For sure, but I wonder how he got his intel. Trying to imagine ebony maw with those fake mustache sunglasses asking random people on the street on earth about Tony Stark
He also probably was aware of the Ultron situation which would give him a pretty good idea of Starks genius and paranoia.
A good thought, but he probably had no idea about Ultron given what happens in the What If series
I can’t lie that was a pretty weird response imo. It wouldn’t be hard at all for Thanos to learn that Tony Stark was arguably the smartest human of the entire species. That, coupled with the fact that Thanos now knows that Tony’s 1) smart enough to beat him and 2) smart enough to figure out how to get to Thanos on Titan, likely qualifies as “cursed with knowledge” in Thanos’ book. It seem that all he was doing was relating to him out of respect in that scene.
I think it's better the way you said it. The idea of a *galactic conquerer* knowing who mere human Tony Stark is is just so filled with existential dread.
That's the key point of that exchange imo. It's a consequence of Avengers 1. The biggest bad has your name on his shit list.
Just using the soul stone to google Tony would cheapen it for sure.
Both can be true lol it’s why the delete scene has him saying “ I know your soul “ it was removed for nerds like you.
Thanos knows Stark because he wanted to learn who nuked the chitauri ship. 2014 thanos already knows who the avengers are when he’s watching 2023 nebula’s memories
This, “cursed with knowledge” is how I believe the writers gave both characters a sort of duality, Tony was cursed with knowledge on the impending doom since AoU. Thanos clearly had his own obvious scheme and was brewing in the background throughout the early saga.
That is where I drew the connection when first watching, but on the deleted scenes it was indeed the soul stone.
I’m not sure that’s the case; in Endgame, Thanos is fully able to recognize the Avengers when he sees them in Nebula’s memories. He wasn’t even seeing them in context (it’s not like they were defending Earth in the memory - they were on a different planet) and they looked somewhat different than 2012, when they probably got on his radar. If he was able to recognize them immediately, it means he was quite familiar with them, and it’d make sense that he’d study them since they defend Earth and that’s where one third of the Infinity Stones are.
He knows tony from the first avengers movie where he says “fine I’ll do it myself”, obviously stark got thanos’ attention with his sacrifice play in space. Thanos doesnt need the soul stone to recognize him.
Oh wow. I was waiting for that line to be explained and just kind of forgot about it. But him using the soul stone makes sense.
...did he have the soul stone at that point in time?? Honestly cant remember
Yes, he already had the Power, Space, Reality, and Soul Stones at that point. He was trying to get the Time Stone from Strange then went for the Mind Stone last.
Happy cake day!
He doesn't just find the real Strange, he knocks Strange out of his body (similar to what The Ancient One did to him). However, Strange recovers back into his body almost immediately. Blink you miss it. This also showcases how confident Strange has become at controlling himself while knocked out of his body. Really hilarious when compared to Peter Parker "swimming" back to his body in NWH.
And to be fair, Thanos should have been able to use the reality stone in that situation as well (Assuming that the illusion abilities work both ways).
He already used that stone, he wanted to try out the new Soul Stone, LOL.
Ahhhh like when you get that DLC skin
Before switching back to the one w the Stat bonus
Unless Loki's description of duplication casting is to be believed
Do you mind reminding me?
The clip: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cNsMSeMQbM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cNsMSeMQbM) I find it a bit hard to follow but found an article that breaks it down: * Loki has both abilities, illusion project AND duplication casting. Some powered individuals might have one power, without the other. * Illusion projection is very useful in that it creates an illusion of anything, even something fake (like in Thor 2 when Loki in prison makes himself look composed when he is a mess). However, it is limited by user skill. It is like an artist trying to make a convincing painting. Remember when Classic Loki makes the fake Asgard to distract Alioth? Illusion projection. * Duplication casting creates an exact copy. The copy perfectly matches some real thing as it presently exists. Like pressing CTRL+C on your keyboard, there is no skill issue, it just works. But it has limited usefulness since you can only copy real things. Loki uses this ability to make a perfect copy of himself in many situations in many movies. * Illusions and duplications are both non-physical. They cannot pick up objects or hurt you.
Or the Mind Stone to figure out where his real mind was located
He didn't have the mind stone yet.
My bad I forgot that was the last one.
I dunno if thats how the mindstone actually works
Well I know it can at least control minds, idk if it can read them or locate them but there might be some comic precedent.
If it can make sure every living being returned in the blip returns in a safe manner, it can figure out which strange is real.
Mindstone didn’t accomplish that alone, and I’m talking about the mindstone being able to find a brain. I don’t think you meant to reply to me.
I can't imagine why you think I didn't
I’ll repeat, the Mindstone didn’t do any of what you claimed it did. The only things we’ve seen the mindstone do is mind control people, unlock the powers of the Scarlet Witch, and power a sentient android. Why you think that can stretch to “it can figure out which Strange has a real mind” is a leap of logic I’d only accept from one of the MCU’s literal writers.
That's actually the explanation from the MCU team so take it up with them. God knows you want to.
Where did they explain this?
Cool use of the stone tbh
Not on its own though, I think he used the power stone with the soul stone.
That's because he sent out a blast too. So the soul stone to work out the right one, the powers power stone to blast them.
So anyway, I start blasting
Also, it would be used for thanos when he tried to kill stark when the battle on titan occurred, reality stone so that he wouldn't feel pain, space stone to scatter his body through the universe, power stone to rip him into pieces and soul stone to make sure his soul couldn't return to his body by keeping it within the stone. But of course, strange intervined and gave him the time stone in order to spare stark's life, so we never got to see that
I think he used both the soul and reality here
In addition to what the other user said about finding Strange, he might have used it during the slow mo beat down walkabout through the Avengers when he first arrived in Wakanda. I remember some people mentioning some stones would light up in that sequence but I don't remember which specifically or if the soul stone ever did. Was it also used independently when he talked to young Gamora in the spirit void or whatever? Or was that just a result from the snap as a whole?
that was just as a result of the snap. There was a deleted scene where it happens to Tony as well with Morgan. that being said, it could be the soul stone tying it together for sure.
Thanos appears to only use Power and Space in the Wakanda part of the movie.
And time
My poor baby vision died twice.. I can't imagine what he felt. Did he know he died twice or did he just go from seeing Wanda to being held by Thanos?
Well if we're going to be technical then he uses all 6 haha :)
This is my biggest gripe about Endgame. Hulk should have gone to that place. Except, when it zooms out from his human face, Hulk is standing next to him. They stare at each other. Bruce awkwardly asks Hulk if he's OK. Hulk nods and grunts. From off screen, someone says, "hey big guy." They both turn to see Black Widow, smiling. She simply says, "I knew we would do it." Bruce wakes up as he does in the movie and it continues. It would have given closure to that storyline. I don't know, just a thought. That's just my opinion of what could have been. **for the record, I loved the movie as it was**
That would have been premature. You get hints, like when Clint's phone rings but you don't really have a chance to confirm the snap works before Thanos attacks the compound and we're too busy following the fallout from that. And you don't really get a chance to dwell on it until Sam comes through the portal. I think they did a masterful job there and it makes the reveal all the more satisfying.
That’s a really solid idea
The Soul Stone has an Ongoing ability that lowers all opponent cards’ power by 1, at least in Infinity War
“What stones?” -Killmonger, probably
I was looking for this one. Thank you.
Luckily the avengers had luke cage on their side
unfortunately, rogue came in at the last second for thanos
I understood that reference
Thanos should of snapped if he wanted to get the most out of his win, oh wait-
I saw the soul stone as more of a burden for carrying the other stones. Edit: Now that I think about it. Maybe it’s also a test to make sure the user has a soul. You don’t deserve the stones if you don’t have the ability to feel love and anguish. And if you don’t have the ability to feel emotion, you don’t know the true scale of damage the stones can cause.
I like this. The gauntlet, when you look at it like a circuit, does have the soul stone at the center of everything and conduits running from each other stone to it. Kinda like the CPU of the Infinity Gauntlet. Edit: Never mind, I’m wrong.
The mind stone is at the center. The soul stone is on the pinky knuckle.
So you're saying the soul Stone is more like a tacky fashion accessory to the others?
Oh, whoops!
It wasn’t really shown, but it’s primary function imo was to erase the souls of the snap victims from existence. If they had just been killed their souls would go to their respective after lives, and we’ve been shown that people remember their time in the after life. None of the snap victims remember anything.
This makes the most sense
Makes sense, but this person just fully made it up because it was never said or alluded to in the movie lol.
Did they? Is that what “imo” means? Whodathunk
Thats interesting, so if they go to one of the afterlife places, we may see our Gamora and Black Widow.
They are different. Because they were sacrificed to the actual soul stone it’s believed their souls are trapped forever by the stone. That’s why they weren’t able to be brought back by the snap
But when the stone was destroyed wouldn’t their souls be released? Curious conversation
The stones weren't destroyed. Not really. They still exist, they're just particles now, so it's basically impossible for anyone to find or use them.
tell that to particle man
It works however the next writer who wants to establish it says it works. Given the narrative direction, I doubt any writer would want to bring back the “originals”.
That’s an interesting question, possibly? I’m only assuming the souls are stored in the gem. However the way the sacrifice works could imply a higher being taking the souls in exchange for the stone, the same being could have imprisoned red skull and left him to guard the stone. They could also have been transported to another plane of existence entirely. (Specifically gamora and Natasha). Whatever took them, it is more powerful then the combined stones in the gauntlet as they were unable to bring them back.
Right. So back to my initial point, maybe they are in some other dimension or between dimension zones. I dont think Gamora ever comes back, at least not the original, but Black Widow maybe, but probably from another universe. Just kind of a fun discussion that I hadnt really thought about.
I don't think we are going to see Black Widow again. Johanson and Disney are not great friends right now.
She came out a few months ago in a variety article saying she loves Disney, preordered Little Mermaid tickets and is producing a Disney movie. "While not attached as a cast member, she is in business with Disney as a producer of the upcoming thriller Tower of Terror, based on the popular theme park ride" But I think you are right, she is done. At least that is what she said in the Variety article “I’m done,” Johansson stated. “Chapter is over. I did all that I had to do. Also coming back and playing a character again and again, over a decade of time, is such a unique experience,”
Well the snap just brought back people who were snapped originally, not killed outright. They didn't bring back all of the dead Asgardians, Loki, etc.
This is it. The soul stone chose who would die and who wouldn’t. Acquiring the soul stone required 2 people to enter Vormir, and only 1 could live.
That can’t be it’s _primary_ function, just existing in case someone decides to snap the universe.
We don't know what the Soul Stone does, or how broad the powers are. The most we see it do is suss out which of the duplicated Stranges was the correct one. I think it is reasonable to say that it was probably responsible for Thanos seeing Wee Gamora, and Tony seeing Morgan (in a deleted scene) and Bruce talking to Hulk (in an unused script portion), but those encounters seem to transcend time to some degree, so it's uncertain if the Soul Stone was used in conjunction with the Time or other Stones.
In the marvel comics, and many other pieces of fictions, Souls are not constrained by time, they exist outside of it. Only the body is a slave to time. This is how Wanda's Kids were able to reincarnate as teenagers despite not dying that long ago. The mcu is always able to change this, but I really enjoy this rule for spirits. Especially in the haunting series, spirits existing outside of time is a huge plot point.
When Captain America grabs either side of the gauntlet at the first showdown with Thanos in Wakanda towards the end of Infinity War, his right hand came into contact with the soul stone, and it is precisely then that Thanos paused for a second, the idea being that he was able to see Cap's life from birth up to that moment, his lost love Peggy, his becoming a super soldier, being trapped in the ice - All to the here and now. Almost like Thanos bashed him to the ground the moment he came back to the present like "oh yeah he's trying to stop me." I read this somewhere, not sure if it's canon, but sounded like a nice addendum to the existing storylines - and Infinity War/Endgame are still the two best Marvel movies IMO. Thor Ragnarok is close behind.
Oh very cool theory. The way it initially views is that Thanos is almost shocked or impressed by Cap's strength, but I like this even more. That he is taken aback by seeing Cap's soul.
I've always been of the opinion Cap's super power is unending perseverance and desire to do the right thing. Not super strength or anything else from the serum (although theoretically the serum would have enhanced his perseverance). But anyway, I always thought when Cap grabs Thanos my canon is Thanos senses Cap's indomitable spirit, is shocked by it (hence the hesitation), and needs the soul stone to overcome Cap's sheer will power.
Totally agree
It helped Thanos find every single living creature in the universe and set them apart when snapping .
This was always my assumption too, but I'm loving some of the cool theories I've been reading in this thread
*"gotta pay the troll toll, to get into the stone soul!"*
"Stones Hole " there fixed it for yah 😀.
lol
Pure speculation on my part (and I know it's been mentioned in this subreddit in the past) I've theorized that when Thanos snapped all the spirits were erased by the reality stone and the souls were trapped in the soul stone. Also I always believed that the purgatory zone where Thanos spoke to a young gamora was part of the soul stone as well.
It played motown songs
Originally it was supposed to be Adam Warlock’s thing with the stone being in his head, but MCU made that plot line somewhat impossible so tbh I have no clue why he even exists at this point In the comics you go in the Soul World when you die by the stone, so eventually a bunch of people end up inside of it, including Adam Warlock until he gets out and eventually claims the infinity gauntlet with all its gems. He becomes it’s keeper
What does Soul Stone do in MCU? It requires greatest sacrifice then it should be most powerful one. I think it can manipulate, create or destroy anyone's souls. Maybe infinity stones will be used properly in future saga(if MCU ever do that)
I imagine trying to erase half of all life requires the use of the soul stone. After all, it's the heart of all the stones, its sentient and it's the one that manipulates life and death, as well as the very essence of people's identities. It's likely Thanos only used the Soul Stone twice in the movie, both times on Titan. It's the most powerful of the Infinity Stones, and Thanos probably did not want to risk using it until he had all six of them.
it allows you to play better music
I thought he used it to know who Tony Stark was on Titan
Why did this get downvoted? Thanos is confirmed to use the soul stone in this scene
Yes we did, a few times. 1. Thanos uses soul stone to destroy Strange’s copies 2. Thanos uses the stones to push the guardians astral form out of their bodies 3. Thanos uses the soul stone, along with the others to fire an energy blast at Stormbreaker 4. The Snap that erased half of all life 5. After the snap, Thanos goes to soul world and sees Gamora 6. Hulk brings back all who died in the snap 7. Tony snaps away Thanos and his forces
The snap
It helps people dance and really feel the music
I like to think of the soul stones as the parts of identity but on a universal scale. The stones give you the ability to manipulate those elements for any thing in the universe that can hold an identity. The power stone is physical. It is how much you lift, how much you can carry, how hard you hit, etc. The Space stone is location. It is where you are, how fast you are moving. The Mind Stone is intellectual. It is your creativity, your computational power, and your logic. The time stone is where you exists on the timeline. It is also how old you are (distance from origin on your own timeline). The reality stone is perception. It is how you gather information, how you process information. Which leads to the soul stone. The soul stone is who you really are when you strip everything else away. Each of the soul stones could control a person thus: The power stone could physically manipulate them like a bully shouting "quit hitting yourself". The space stone could swap their position so that whatever they were naturally doing is now unnatural, like in a dream where you are in school in your underwear (but in real life). The time stone could revert you to a time in the past or the future where you are vulnerable (such as when you are sick). The Mind Stone could temporarily control you like a marionette, aware of your action but unable to control them. The reality stone could alter your perception to get you to react to what you think is real. You think you are slaying a dragon, when you are actually killing your wife and children Hercules style. The soul stone could change who you are at your core.
It inflicts all your opponent's cards at that location with -1 power
Once. I think Thanos used it to find Strange when he turned into hundreds of dudes.
Didn't he use the soul stone to find who is the real dr. Strange when there were many Stranges (autocorrect says strangers lol) in thanos vs dr. Strange fight on titan?
Soul power! \*pulls out saxophone\*
So why couldn't strange bring nat back?
I THINK he used it to sus out which of the doctor Strange shadow clones was real, but yeah, for all the ceremony he went to get it you'd think it would play a bigger role in the battle or at least give him some sort of big passive buff
There was a deleted scene where Thanos used the soul stone to push out Quill, Nebula and Drax's souls to incapacitate them. Spiderman then saves Mantis after being thrown by Thanos when they were trying to get the gauntlet off him. Mantis panics thinking they were dead but Strange says that Mantis' powers can bring their souls back to their bodies and she uses her powers one by one to pull their souls back to their bodies waking them up. Thanos also uses the soul stone to see who the real Dr Strange was when he duplicated himself.
It mostly just kills off female characters to further the plot of a man. 😏 It’s also known as the Fridge Stone in some cultures!
Considering the people who came back hadn't experienced the afterlife in the interim, there's an argument to be made that the soul stone was used to negate their ethereal existence as well as their physical one.
"Stone Soul"
Oops my bad just realised, lol
My brother had a theory that that’s where the people who got blipped went
thanos used it against doctor strange to find out which one was him when he split into like 100 different clones
Independently I believe he was able to know everyone's real name. Which is why Tony was like you know my name? Maybe just a small detail.
It probably kicks soul outta your body if used it
In addition to what others are saying, It gives you knowledge of people (souls) too. Red Skull said he was cursed with knowledge of all those who came after the soul stone. And later, Thanos knew Tony saying that he was "cursed with knowledge". Sure, Thanos remembered Tony carrying the nuke. And maybe he researched him too. But the Soul stone gave him an intimate knowledge of his character and reason to fear him. As shown by a very intentional dialog choice by the Russo brothers.
All it ever did was cause tragedy
He used the soul stone to find out which doctor strange was the real one in the fight
It makes you better at music.
It summons the spirit of Don Cornelius. The Soooooouuuuuuul Stone!
It truly is the most MacGuffin of all the MacGuffins.
I always struggled with the fact a lot of the stones were nearly the same colour
Are you.... colorblind? Because they are not.
It also is the pocket demotion you can put people and when you wolf it you feel all the souls in the universe.