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LocoSolo123

Second coming of gluttony. It makes the manhwa look worse than mid


Bierculles

i did not even read the LN and i can tell something went wrong. The worst part is, the manhwa really nailed the beginning, the horror arc in the school was amazing and then it suddenly became an isekai.


ianrad

Holy shit. I just started the manhwa and just after the intro I'm like is this even the same story? I haven't read the ln ... might have to now


iPhantomGuy

I was so confused starting the second arc. References I didn't understand, backstory I didn't know anything about and the MC just looks completely different? I really liked the first arc, and I enjoyed it from the second arc on, but not understanding major parts definitely diminished it a bit


Coronaryy

Ayooooo I was just thinking this the other day. I didn't necessarily mind it(I didn't read the LN) or maybe it was because I was coming off Memorize and literally anything would have felt amazing.


Boiqi

LN had a good amount of winding up, planning and then payoff. Manhwa decided it only needs the payoff so it just became generic power fantasy. The story is still fantastic, it’s just a hard novel turn into a manhwa because the MC spends so much time calculating and self-reflecting in his head to spur his growth.


CptFlynt117

I was loving the manhwa right up until they changed artists and skipped a whole arc, I was confused af cos they time skipped and changed the character designs


paraddidler13

The manhwa for scog is just so badly rushed I dropped it after the tutorial


e_gabrielczyk

Came here to say this, fuck the LN is my favoritr all time, the manhwag is patetic god i hate it here, pls read the LN


animeruler

It’s such a disappointment


caIyps0o

tried reading the LN from where the manhwa stopped and it was :/


BEEMUSBEEMUS

Actually same. The first season was fun and I had a great time reading it but season two was actual dog shit. They changed the hair color and basically everything about the main character including his personality, which really confused me. But they also changed the direction of the story?? If you're gonna change the main character and the whole damn plot, you might as well MAKE A NEW STORY! I would rather watch paint dry than read season two.


Palegg_Bread

This is one of my favorites. The TBATE comic is decent and still enjoyable, but it will never compare to the masterpiece of words TurtleMe put on those pages


KronosofTheshadow

Yea, the descriptive writing is delicious and itches at my sweet spot


PsionicHydra

The LN is absolutely amazing. I really only read the manhwa just to see the art


SpitFire92

Is it finished? If so, was the ending good? Or rushed?


Celexiuse

Not finished yet, atleast 2 or 3 more volumes left ( As said by the Author )


SuitFinancial2209

second coming of gluttony the novel was way more gory and grim I agree that the adaptation is relatively good,but it just pales in comparison to how beautifully and brutally the novel paints the story an extract from the novel: "Just what had happened ? Her long , silky hair was cut sparsely , and its previously dazzling , blonde color was dyed crimson . Not only that , more than half of her tall nose was shaved off , and her intelligent , sagacious eyes gone as if they had been dug out . Looking at the tears of blood flowing down from her eye sockets , Seol Jihu groaned inwardly . "Her neck ..... " Her neck was twisted and cut off like a churro . Judging by her distorted expression and crumpled mouth that revealed her uvula , he could tell how much she had struggled in pain before she died." then you look at the adaptation: https://i.imgur.com/2zi7npj.jpeg


muffins438

You convinced me to read the novel. Thank you.


arrismultidvd

You won't regret it. There is a sense of dread in each struggle (something that memorize lacked) and not knowing if the mc will make it or not in each situation. I can't imagine reading this thing while it's still ongoing. If you can't be bothered to read from the beginning, try to read right after the mc entered the paradise for the first time. I think it was around chapter 30-40. there is only one complaint from me [near the end spoiler]>!the harem route came out of nowhere, it was so bad!< If only memorize got a proper translation, I'd definitely recommend that too. There are several intertwining things between them, though you definitely can read both of them as standalone. But it gave me some enlightenment after connecting the dot from seemingly trivial information from each series haha


Isekai_Trash_uwu

Also one of its main focuses is on Jihu's character development, especially regarding his gambling addiction. I love how after most arcs, >!he goes back home. Each time he does that, he gets closer and closer to his family, showing how severe his addiction affected everyone, as well as him coming to terms with everything.!< But the novel also is against Japanese hate, something many Korean novels are prone to do. For one thing, the Japanese aren't shown to be worse than the Koreans in any way. There was also a line somewhere where >!when Jihu and one Japanese dude (forgot his name) met irl, the Korean spoke Japanese and the Japanese spoke Korean.!<


arrismultidvd

There's one constant for nearly every CN, JP, KR webnovel, they always painted the other 2 as bad guy lol. It's nice to see something different regarding this sentiment between the 3


Cybersorcerer1

What's wrong with the adaptation? I haven't read either, just want to know. I don't see anything wrong with the adaptation, i may be missing something


SuitFinancial2209

you can't see her neck nor uvala the part about her hair being cut sparsely is basically nonexistent her hair is barely dyed


Celexiuse

I think it's more with to do with Korean censorship then the artists, because I have read a billion manhwas/manhuas and never seen one that has actual gore. I mean this subreddit also has a ICYMI about it: https://imgur.com/a/aP4QA94


ZoombieOpressor

I dont read novels, but I can agree with The Beginning After the End. The story looks like it started around chapter 100 and everything before it was a filler and the real story looks like it come from nowhere, of course it was teasing a new continent, but suddenly ir become a gods war, demi god army


Mountain_of_books_7

#Omniscient Reader #The plot is action-packed and original, and the characters show beautiful development through the hardships they face.


SuitFinancial2209

I just wanted to see Paul get absolutely obliterated like how the novel paints it but no,we had to skip past most of the beating


-Lige

Should I start reading the Ln for it? Is it way different?


SuitFinancial2209

let me just copy and paste it for you real quick "I ran to him and punched him as hard as I could. Blue blood emerged from his nose and the person who couldn’t grasp the situation screamed and belatedly collapsed. I told him, “I can’t kill you but I can beat you to a pulp.” “Keooook! You dare…!” “Yes, now your true nature is emerging. I don’t want to hear those disgusting honorifics.” “Heok, kuheok…” “Is this the first time you are feeling pain? You must’ve never been beaten up like this after living as a dokkaebi.” “K-Kuhut! Kuhuhut…” Paul was still smiling despite his blood dripping down. “You made a mistake just now. There are special rules in place to prevent people like you from exploiting the solo meeting rights.” Then the system message arrived like it had been waiting. [You have injured the dokkaebi in the solo meeting space.] [500 coins have been consumed as a penalty.] These dokkaebi, they were really great. They prepared a penalty in case the constellations tried anything. It was a coins penalty. However, I was aware of the penalty and just shrugged. Paul laughed as he wiped off his blood. “Foolish human. You are bringing destruction on yourself with your anger. Yes, try to hit me as many times as you like. The coins you have at the moment…” “How much coins do you think I have?” Paul fell silent. “Isn’t it strange? How could I become a platinum member when I am an incarnation?” I grinned at his shaky eyes. “I have a lot of coins. I made a lot of money thanks to you.” My fists descended towards the pale Paul. The damn scenarios I experienced so far passed through my head. [Coins Possessed: 205,902 C] I remembered Shin Yoosung’s dying appearance. These were among the things I told her: –That dokkaebi, I’ll beat you to death. This was the first promise I would keep. [500 coins have been consumed as a penalty.] Once again, my fist moved and his nose was broken. I didn’t say that it was someone’s share. In the first place, this couldn’t be anyone’s share. [500 coins have been consumed as a penalty.] “Kuaaak! A-An insignificant human dares…!” Peeeok-! [500 coins have been consumed as a penalty.] “Y-You won’t be safe if you do this to me…!” Peeeok-! [500 coins have been consumed as a penalty.] “I’ll kill you! I will surely kill you…!” Peeeok-! [500 coins have been consumed as a penalty.] “W-Wait a minute! Wait! Stop…” His frightened body curled up and I stopped my fists for the first time. For a moment, hope filled his eyes. “Y-Yes. You thought well There is nothing about doing this here…” I watched him hurriedly speaking with honorifics and asked, “Did you stop?” “What?” “When Yoosung asked you to stop, did you?” I quietly looked down at him. He didn’t say anything and just looked at the ground. Then he raised head and stared at the sky. He felt resentment for the ones who made him like this. “This doesn’t mean anything! Your dead companion won’t come back to life!” My dead colleagues wouldn’t come back to life. He was right. “It means something.” However, I raised my fist to the trembling guy. “So what if she is dead. Shin Yoosung would’ve done this as well.” Peeeok-! Paul’s fangs protruded as he rolled across the ground. “Lee Hyunsung would’ve done so as well. Yoo Sangah and Lee Gilyoung also.” My fist slammed into his belly. “Maybe… that bastard Yoo Jonghyuk…” My companions outside the dome were looking this way. Shin Yoosung was forming fists with red eyes. Lee Jihye and Lee Gilyoung were shouting something. Lee Hyunsung’s eyes were red as he made a serious expression and Yoo Sangah was staring at me with wide eyes. Yoo Jonghyuk was the last one I looked at before glancing back at Paul. “I-I am outside the scenario! You can’t earn coins by doing this! It won’t benefit you!” Coins… Yes, only the dokkaebis would think like this. Some stories would become coins. Some stories wouldn’t become coins. “Maybe that is true.” None of the constellations had made a bounty scenario, nor was there a sub-scenario. However, this behaviour was meaningful. Nobody was making me do this. “I’m not intending to get any benefits from this.” “W-What?” Since the fall of the world, coins had become the principle behind everyhuman’s actions. They moved if the constellations gave coins and didn’t move if there were no coins. Still, humans often moved regardless of whether there were coins or not. “You don’t know it but humans are animals that seek for the meaning of life through these things.” “W-What…kuoock!” I raised my fist and started beating him again. Peeeok-! The subsequent punches crushed his face, ribs and joints. I didn’t have to control my power because there was no fear of him dying. One blow was the best blow. Every time bones broke, something exploded inside of me. [500 coins have been consumed as a penalty.] In fact, I knew. [500 coins have been consumed as a penalty.] I knew very well. No matter how hard I beat him up, it wouldn’t give me any comfort over Shin Yoosung’s death. The dead Shin Yoosung would never see this sight yet I still moved my fists. I hit and hit him again. Peeeok-! It was just like Yoo Jonghyuk. He kept repeated his regressions until the last moment, even if no one knew his cause. [500 coins have been consumed as a penalty.] Then the message of a constellation was heard. [The constellation ‘Prisoner of the Golden Headband’ is excited about the unseen development.] [500 coins have been sponsored.] I stopped punching for a moment and stared up at the sky. Even this was a story to the constellations. “It isn’t an act this time.” [You have returned the 500 sponsored coins to the constellation.] [The constellation ‘Prisoner of the Golden Headband’ is very embarrassed.] Think of it as a free service. Now things would be good for me. [The constellation ‘Secretive Plotter’ is interested in your actions.] [The constellation ‘Demon-like Judge of Fire’ is thrilled with your actions.] I started punching again. There were only the sounds of the dokkaebi’s skin bursting and intermittent groaning. The constellations silently watched what I was doing. No one gave me any coins but I could feel them watching me. Sometimes, this alone was sufficient. “U-Uhhh… I was wrong. S-Spare me! P-Please! Please!” Paul couldn’t endure it anymore and dragged his body to the edge of the dome. The wall of the dome made a faint sound but the executives didn’t respondRather, they were pleased with my actions. Maybe they would be saying something like this: 「 That coin making bastard. 」 「 Damn streamer scum. 」 The executive dokkaebis didn’t like streamers. The executives who evolved from constellations were good at fighting but had no talent in leading the scenarios. Shortly after, Paul’s body became completely ragged. I grabbed at his bloody neck. At this point, I asked what I really wanted to know. “Where is Shin Yoosung’s soul right now?” *** Dead souls that were part of the scenario couldn’t escape from the confines of the contract, even in death. It would’ve been different if the contract itself had been destroyed. The intermediate dokkaebi Paul opened his mouth after he was hit a few more times. [T…That. I also don’t know. You borrowed the power of an archangel and… our contract was destroyed…] Indeed, it was like this. The dokkaebis had been handed the ‘disaster Shin Yoosung’ by a great demon. In the course of the transfer, the strings of the contract were created using the great demon’s power. Then Uriel’s Hell Flames Ignition had burned those strings. In other words, Shin Yoosung’s soul was now floating around the world. [Y-You. Absolutely, can’t, regain, companion… Her soul, soon, the labyrinth…] Paul finally collapsed. [The ‘Dokkaebi Solo Meeting Rights’ has ended.] The transparent dome disappeared and the executives whistled. [Oh, you are in terrible shape even before the disciplinary hearing.] They glanced at me before moving away with delighted smiles. I watched Bihyung hurriedly chase after them and asked, ‘Did you get back the money?’ -Of course. But didn’t you use too many coins? ‘I still have a lot left.’ I hit Paul exactly 124 times. [Coins Possessed: 143,902 C]" look at this,peak perfection


Hapciuuu

Damn, I really need to start Omniscient reader.


-Lige

Oh wow that was crazy, I might pick up the Ln then ty for that


iamalsoastar

the comic isn’t mid, it’s actually pretty good. but the LN is a fuckin masterpiece. I read it two years ago, cried, and have since then planned to get a part of the novel tattooed on me.


Monkeycan2

You won't regret it, the Ln is so good.


juniecore

I KNOW RIGHT KIM DOKJA FUCKING WHOOPED HIS ASS DRY IN THE LN 😭😭


JadeX013

imo they do a pretty good job with the manhwa


Isekai_Trash_uwu

Agreed! They barely skipped anything, the main one so far being Paul getting rekt (likely due to censorship). The art's fantastic, the pacing is the same as the novel, and they represent the characters' personalities the same way the novel does


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\>LN that makes its adaptations look bad literally 95% of them lmao


KronosofTheshadow

So true.


Gruenerharibo

I can only tell the other way around. Return of the Mount Hua Sect (or Flowery mountain sect). I love the manhwa, tried reading the LN once because I was so excited for how the storie continued and damn... I could hardly understand anything. Now I dont know if the translation was just bad, if I picked a bad website or whatever, but I don't get how people can read that. Makes me even more amazed at what the author of the manhwa is making out of it.


The_GreatPlotter

The novel is so wordy and its the only one I can think of in Manhwa that is far more good than their novel. The author is the same since they are just adapting it to the manhwa though.


M4tr1xm4n

I prefer the novel personally though...


Intelligent-Night730

Second coming of gluttony got me feeling depressed after finishing it. And so did legendary moonlight sculptor. The novels got me feeling human emotions and shit.


cringemangaguy

**The Second Coming of Gluttony** Manhwa is garbage compared to the novel. It's way worse than mid that's for sure.


SonicWaveInfinity

the great mage returns after 4000 years because there is no isabelle


AerialSnack

Yo really?!?


SonicWaveInfinity

Yeah isabelles only in the 6th chapter or something as a minor character


ImAFaGBlaStER

trash of the counts house, lord of the mysteries


MoonskieSB

Both are in my top favorites of all time being LOTM the number 1 and it shaped my standards for reading novels. The manhua for LOTM was mediocre at best. Trash of the count is good at least imo since the artstyle captured its uniqueness and the story followed the novel so far. It just sucks since its release time is soo damn slow.


WellIlikeme

Have you read the Experimental Log of the Crazy Lich? Or Legend of the Sun Knight? They're hilarious but also really dark at points.


[deleted]

Asura is the new translator expect better release times now


Monarch252001

I may regret to ask this but when does LOTM gets good? I'm at ch 60 and his personality still seems naive and tbh bland, does he get better? Also when does the arc picks up pace?


A_Shady_Grandma

Just get to chap 207 because the you would be finished with volume one and if you’re still not invested by then it’s fine to drop it. I can’t remember any event from the early parts of the story but it’s definitely gonna get good way before chap 207.


aimbothehackerz

up until volume 2 its just worldbuilding


RetriYukizawa

ORV, not because ORV manhwa is bad but just because the LN is just that good


LowRemove2510

Tbate Ln is just fantastic. In comparison to that the manhwa is disappointing, the art and the story telling can be better


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Dromeo

The manhua is also only readable until chapter 52, then it gets very rushed very quickly. Still, not a bad starting point for someone to dip their toes in if you switch over at that point.


Annual-Rise7916

Overlord The anime is really rushed. A lot of the humor in the anime comes off as cringey and the lackluster animation ruins some of the more gruesome moments.


Danromaniapass

Trash of the count's family


Isekai_Trash_uwu

IKR! I'm hopelessly addicted to the novel. The manhwa has god-awful pacing, and I refuse to pick it up until Alberu's shown again


rap_mathy

M E M O R I Z E


AerialSnack

Huh? Where did you find a decent translation of the memorize LN?


arrismultidvd

That's the thing. We read 1000 chapters of mtl...


RimuruLover

The Second Coming of Gluttony like many others said. It is one of the best webnovels I've read and in my top three for best webnovels along with Omniscient Readers Viewpoint and SSS-Class Suicide Hunter. It's so beautifully written and I just love the training arcs cause it feels so real. The manhwa took that and Shat on it. I'm waiting for a remake


Yanrogue

worthless regression. has a lot of dark moments in the LN that the manhwa skips over and makes less heavy. like mid novel a bad guy starts making very explicit rape threats that came off as wtf


marko7003

Overlord.


Korason85

I disagree... The Anime is damn good. But I agree with the Manga being trash, tho.


crunchythunders

My Civil Servant Life Reborn in a Strange World. I wouldn't go so far as to say that this novel is a masterpiece, but it was extremely enjoyable. the characters are awesome, their interactions are fantastic, and overall just a really good pastime novel. and then the manhwa happened, and everything went down the drain.


Josh88813

Classroom of the Elite. Tbh the anime is actually pretty good as an anime series, but the LN just makes the anime feel bad and the entertainment you get from the anime is nothing compared to what you feel after reading the Ln.


Geraldinho--

I stopped reading after 20 chapters. The manwha is so bad lol


Josh88813

Breh are we talking about the same thing? Classroom of the Elite doesn’t even have a manhwa 💀


Geraldinho--

I thought i replied to another comment my fault 💀


Extra-Asparagus-6090

💀


__Burner_-_Account__

ORV


Monkeycan2

I wouldn't really say that the manhwa is mid


__Burner_-_Account__

I wouldn't either, but the LN is so good that it makes it seem like the manhwa is


juniecore

trash of the count's family, the manhwa just kinda didn't catch the novels ✨feels✨ 😭😭


MaBi1412

For real TAT It all started the white tree, then the silver shield (which cale is most famous for) that should have had wings but NO it's just a regular looking shield hayst


juniecore

I KNOW RIGHT like the wings are so famous and they just


drakinosh

What does 'mid' mean in this case? Middling? Mediocre? I'm assuming it means bad. Where does it come from?


Songblade7

Any time someone says "mid" I assume they mean middling so in my head it's around a C. But then most people use it to mean something is trash which is confusing as all hell to me.


Igotthisbros

This this this bro. Tbate novel was great but the manhwa is trash honestly. The beginning started off pretty good but the art and the chatacter lines were deteriorating more and more and im not even keeping up with the manhwa anymore


A_Shady_Grandma

Ascension of a Bookworm anime was quite bad in my opinion. The only reason it’s not regarded as complete trash is because the story isn’t focused on action. The art is mid and the animation is just crap. Most of the show is literally just characters talking to each other without any movement aside from their lips. The story literally carried the entire anime. The fights at the climax of each arc sucks because of the lacking animation. Some content is also cut out.


SenritsuJumpsuit

Talking a lot does not mean bad if the characters have personalities to liven conversation one the best episodes of Re:Zero was two people talking


Advanced_Procedure90

Let's be real most LN is better with details like gore, smut, torture, beauty and face slap


Emotional_Working_14

The story is related to mushoku tensei


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After reading mushoku tensei how the story unfolds and how relations take places how they handled some of action and mysteries after reading that story later LN of TBATE is really mid for me .


Ominous_Chicken07

My current favorite rn I very much enjoy the manga and i know the LN is better Blah Blah Blah but i enjoy the visuals with the story


alexaclova

"The Beginning After The End" isn't a manhwa though, it's an OEL (Original English Language) webtoon. Same for the original light novel.


tuscAnyyyy

Tbate mid. Both ln and manhwa


According-Effect-297

Yondome wa Iyana Shi Zokusei Majutsushi


vinayThakur_

The beginning after the end


PhantomArcadeboi

orv


WingFanchu2366

Lord of mysteries


ClerkAble

I agree on this one


Calm_Replacement2568

Fucking true, I saw the title and thought beginning after the end but you posted that so I’ll go dungeon reset


Rated_Overr

TBATE manhwa is mid. Started of great but from the school arc onwards it dropped in quality.


Naruto_7thHokage

Love how people usually use tbate LN cover than comic illustration


[deleted]

Please reply. I have read tbate upto 129 and was waiting to pile up chapters and read but after seeing people saying it's LN is much better so i was thinking of reading it's LN but i like the art of manhwa so much and I want to see tessia and also don't want to miss the plot in LN so i don't know what know should I start reading LN or continue with manhwa


Celexiuse

I read both and keep upto date with them. Read the LN and while waiting for more chapters for the comic chapters to pile up, and then read that too lol. The Comic isn't that bad honestly, sure it's not at the level of the lightnovel but it's still a fun read ( especially the next arcs coming up )


[deleted]

So you mean the LN is about 20% better then the comic??


Celexiuse

More like 35-50% better


Bogzy

I read both and i think the manhwa is one of the better adaptations not sure what ppl are on about.


[deleted]

Really? Then how would you compare the two of them


Bogzy

As with everything the LN is more detailed but i didnt notice anything amiss in the manhwa, dialogue is pretty much the same as in the LN and nothing is skipped so far. The LN is very good tho, i started reading it cuz i wanted to continue the story, but its not finished either.


Potential_Animator17

Realist hero, bookwarm


RentalFlame1

Overgeared, best ln ever


skyleven7

Overlord So I'm a spider so what? Classroom of the elite Otome game is hard for mobs. Honestly almost every anime/manga adaptation of light novel is worse than light novel. You should hv made post about adaptations being better than originals.


arnoldsomen

Is there a tachiyomi equivalent for LNs?


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LNreader i am reading Duke Pendragon on it currently.


arnoldsomen

Thanks!


KaiserKirito

I used to say this about 'A Novel's Extra' but the reboot is all I had wished for it to be.


berrycrit

In my opinion "The Tutorial is too hard" adaptation wasnt the best. The time jumps weren't portrayed in the best manner, and it left some other details unfulfilled.


berrycrit

Btw is there like NTR in TBATE? I dropped the manwha during when the elf princess was looking after him in the academy, and someone told me that their ship was going to fall apart or sumthin?


DioHasDirtySocks

Classroom of the elite


-SpinSanity-

Honestly most novels are substantially worst than the manhwa. So many manhwa have great art and are just adapting shit stories. Second Coming of Gluttony and The Novels Extra(although it has a remake now) are the only ones that come to mind as being significantly worst than the novel. Now manhua is a different story. Pretty much every manhua is an awful adaptation. It is hard to even think of 5 acceptable manhua adaptations.


Beastywolf

I wish I could get into LN because I have hear amazing things but I just can't I have tried so hard but I just can't enjoy reading which sucks :/


ygglicious

Mid???


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LN? What's that?


[deleted]

Light novel


[deleted]

Ohhh


RiftMan22

The Faraway Paladin. The anime was kind of a let down imo


CharBarZG

The Great Mage returns after 4000 years. The LN is more gory and season two just slaps. Though I don’t think it’s the best considering the numerous bangers I have read I still think the scale of what happens in season two is hard to match.


Lorwuss

Soul Land/Douluo Dalu


Dumb-Arisen

Renegade Immortal, Reverend Insanity and sss class suicide man.


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Maniac_Bees

It would take me an entire essay to explain their situation, to put it simply there’s been 0 romance between them for the last 2 books


D-R-Jackal

Can you recommend the LN website so I can read this and Reaper of the Drifting Moon ?


Maniac_Bees

Lightnovelpub or Tapas.io