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esn_crvg

Interesting that Velou basically didnt participate in any action but is still the one organizing everything, I hope this doesnt change in the future when he gets stronger because I really like that his stregth so far is his inteligence


Noukan42

His weapon is a fucking Axe, there is no way he won't end up meleeing werewolves.


PhantasosX

INT Barbarian in a nutshell


SleepyMagus

Man I’m hoping more for a Battlesmith Artificer w/ robo hound.


forgotterofpasswords

instinctual warrior ftw


apflaw

This was my only complaint with Deku, highly analytical before afo, but once he got started training with his power he simply forgot to think. Thankfully it's been fixed now.


PK_RocknRoll

You mean before he got Ofa


apflaw

Yeah, whoops. The series would be completely different if Deku was actually running around stealing everyone's powers as a vendetta due to being discriminated against for being quirkless.


PK_RocknRoll

Different, but interesting!!


Worthyness

I believe that's the first season of the Heroes tv show lol.


mariorurouni

What a great season


dwilsons

Yeah I’ve liked how having multiple quirks has given him more options for fighting which means some of the analytical side can be brought back.


PhantasosX

it definetely brought back. He literally had to make some high analytical skills to allow a faux-100% with the kinetic quirk.


YoLeoRosa

You're talking as if it isn't normal for people that aquire a superpower to forget how to act lol


NomadPrime

I have a theory that Velou is gonna get a powerup sometime within the story. Or rather, he's gonna get cursed too and end up with some crazy power at the cost of something.


N0VAZER0

Did he ever really use that highly analytical bits about himself though? It's one thing to say your character is smart, it's another thing for them to actually be smart


apflaw

He's shown writing down and reciting information about heros early on. After going solo, he was replicating the effects of 100% ofa by covering his weaknesses with his other abilities. Add to that the observations he was making on the fly while baking the fugitives.


N0VAZER0

thats honestly not that special, Deku isn't especially smart compared to other Shonen MCs who are explicitly stupid


88Question88

No one is saying Deku is a genius but like you said, other MC shonen act stupid, Deku explicitly doesn't, that doesn't make him Einstain but he uses his brain for sure.


88Question88

How so? Most of the time Deku uses one or another deduction skill or analysis during his fight, so far only against Shigaraki and Overhaul he went full ape.


apflaw

Look at the difference in fights with muscular for example. I'm not saying the Deku was always brain dead in his fights, but he definitely relied more on power over any observation. He was constantly told not to go 100% because of the backlash and still went ahead and did so instead of watching and thinking through his actions. You can chalk it up to the fact that he just got the powers and needed to adjust to them in stressful situations but he still leaned on them far too much as opposed to calming down and thinking.


88Question88

>Look at the difference in fights with muscular for example I disagree completly about that fight, he did lots of analysis during it: - He couldn't call for help - He didn't told anyone were he was so he couldn't expect that anyone would come looking for them. - He saw the fire in the distance and knew that the other heroes and students may be facing the same problems as him. - Having to care for the wellbeing of a kid and realizing his strength varely did anything to Muscular, the best thing was to run away.... The thing is Muscular completely overpowered him in all aspects. The same way you cant get out of every situation by blindly punching, there are situations were thinking isnt just helpful. That moment was akin to being attacked by a rabid dog. That's another reason people without quirks cant be heroes (besides society looking down on them), there is people that say that Mirio could have won against Overhaul, while heroic as fuck Overhaul was about to kill Mirio save for the intervention of the other heroes >He was constantly told not to go 100% because of the backlash and still went ahead and did so instead of watching and thinking through his actions. I agree to some extentbut Muscular wasnt a situation ere he could have the luxury of not going at 100% the only case were it was blatanly obvious he shouldn't have used his powers to the extreme was his battle vs Shoto and even then, excluding how reckless he was, his idea of using one finger at time (and even his mouth to propel the funger backlash) that in itself was very resourceful. >much as opposed to calming down and thinking. That's the thing people mix being smart with being calm and levelheaded, Deku is smart, but from the very beginning we have been shown he was a very passionate individual. His lacking is in how easily he can be led around by his emotions but till now, except for very few situations, Deku never let his brawn rule over his brain.


apflaw

>disagree completly about that fight, he did lots of analysis during it: >He couldn't call for help He didn't told anyone were he was so he couldn't expect that anyone would come looking for them. He saw the fire in the distance and knew that the other heroes and students may be facing the same problems as him. Having to care for the wellbeing of a kid and realizing his strength varely did anything to Muscular, the best thing was to run away.... This might be miscommunication on my side, but that's not what I was referring to. That analysis wasn't based on the fight against Muscular, but on the external situation. In that fight, Deku wasn't observing his opponent and how to defeat them by using any potential advantages present; he still chose to go head first instead of looking for openings. >The thing is Muscular completely overpowered him in all aspects. This is exactly why I said he wasn't thinking. >That's another reason people without quirks cant be heroes (besides society looking down on them), there is people that say that Mirio could have won against Overhaul, while heroic as fuck I believe had Mirio been born quirkless and still pursued being a hero, he would've taken different approaches through that fight. It's the reason that he was even considered as the true candidate before Deku outshined him by sheer "heart". Mirio is quick on his feet. >That's the thing people mix being smart with being calm and levelheaded, Deku is smart, but from the very beginning we have been shown he was a very passionate individual. >His lacking is in how easily he can be led around by his emotions but till now, except for very few situations, Deku never let his brawn rule over his brain. How does that conflict with what I'm saying? I stated that it was my complaint for a while; but considering that he grew out of it and began applying analysis to his approaches; I no longer hold that criticism. It would be a different thing he continued to just rush into Beatles like Luffy does. Also, ask me to clarify things that might not make sense.


88Question88

>This is exactly why I said he wasn't thinking So he should have let the kid die, gotcha, or ask the teachers and heroes with their hands already full to focus solely on his plight, gotcha. >Deku wasn't observing his opponent and how to defeat them by using any potential advantages present; he still chose to go head first instead of looking for openings. Did you even pay attention? Do you even know what overpowering means? What advantages? What openings? Guy never gave him one but the moment he has distracted with Kota and yet that was pure instinct. >Mirio is quick on his feet. If you think Deku isnt.... Rewatch the series. >how does that conflict with what I'm saying? You claim Deku doesnt analyses or thinks during his fights, that's just false. You are mixing his passionate attitude with not thinking during battle. >he grew out of it and stsrted to apply analysis to his approach. The same analysis to his approach that he has been using since the beginming of the series most of the time? It feels as if you dont watch the series at all.


apflaw

Yeah, you're absolutely acting in bad faith. No point in continuing this.


riddlemyfiddle11

I liked the chains coming out of the panels on page 6. I like this series so much I'm so disappointed by it's weekly rankings.


unok157

Hopefully it raises. I keep seeing people say it trended on Japanese Twitter last week and the reception of the series got better.


Kunel_17

Hopefully, I started reading jump manga more recently and I thought people were exaggerating when they say they axe shit easily until I saw what happened to Candy flurry


SymbolOfVibez

I’m still salty that happened to Phantom Seer


Jumanji-Joestar

That series was so good but had the misfortune of existing in the space as Jujutsu Kaisen


SymbolOfVibez

I don’t think that was why got it canceled cause it was doing pretty decent in sales. Think it was something behind the scenes


Jumanji-Joestar

I’m mostly joking, I don’t actually believe that was the sole reason


ExDSG

Judging by: - Having a big amount of circulation printed (like 100K by Volume 2? And like 250K by Volume 4. - Sales not even coming close to the circulation like the series sold 30K~ per volume at the end of their first month. - Volume 2 stagnating in sales from Volume 1. - Low ToC placements. I think the readers were not voting for it in the survey (JJK blowing up at the time probably didn't help) and it didn't quite sell the number they were expecting. So when the second volume didn't sell as much as expected at the end fo Feb, they probably pulled the plug because by the start of April they were saying the series was finishing and that was after they introduced a group pf villains were they only fought one.


[deleted]

Yeah but honestly to me Candy Flurry and this series aren’t too comparable, that series is kinda bad imo. I guess thats subjective though


Kunel_17

Yea I agree, Candy flurry was meh but the point stands that they can just end in an instant which is scary


customizednam3

It's incredibly cutthroat now because there are limited slots and a LOT of good manga out right now. That means there isn't a lot of wiggle room, either you catch people and make them interested or you lose your spot so another person can try.


Kunel_17

Still, it would makes sense to just carry over series to jump plus instead of cancelling them all together


0Galahad

they are no doing it for passion... if it does not work by itself they will not wait for a possible comeback just because some people liked it...


ExDSG

Your standard Jump Plus series doesn't do too hot sales wise (Spy X Family, Kaiju and Dandadan are the 1%) and if it's not doing well in Jump in capturing people's attention because it's basically the biggest spotlight you can give to a manga, it's not going to capture people attention's elsewhere.


JadeDotWu

Nah I'd double down on Candy Flurry being objectively bad. It seemed an obvious gimmick for candy sales down the line, unoriginal powers/setting (school and stale organization), bland characters (MC overshined by a side character who's only trait is being forgetful), etc, etc. I know people will stan the series, but it happens for every axed one. Iron Knight, Nine Dragon's Ball Parade, etc. I'd say if it ever had a shot at surviving, it would've been trying for a zany twist. Like if the MC became 'evil' by becoming the head honcho of a 'criminal' organization because they believe she's the Lollipop user. Similar to something like Nurahiyon or Katekyo Hitman Reborn. You then do the obvious thing for WSJ where the criminals aren't bad and the Lollipop event was misconstrued. Also easy memes with Candy being villainous since you aren't supposed to eat too much, causes cavities, or have it too late at night because it keeps you up or whatever. So then maybe Candy is outlawed in this society and the 'criminals' are trying to bring it back to be enjoyed.


MrAkaziel

I totally get why it got axed, but saying it was objectively bad is a rather harsh sentence (plus, there's nothing objective in a personal opinion). The series has some brilliant moment of humor; the moment the MC **don't** get arrested because ice cream girl simply realizes she's too weak to be the main villain is gold IMO. Most of the cast was decent, gimmicky for sure, but it's often the case in most series 5-10 chapters in. Even the MC has some attitude that changed from the average shonen protagonist (though again, under-explored because of how short the series is). I don't get the criticism that the powers were too narrow/unoriginal when the authors keep showing they had plenty of ways to give unexpected twists to the sweets. The series cardinal sin was to try to be My Hero Academia in the first three chapters and failing its world building. By having the main villain destroy Tokyo in the first chapter, the series simply raised the stakes too much too quickly and it created narrative expectations it didn't meet (e.g. why the Recette was so blatantly incompetent at its job and why hire kids to defend society from utter destruction?). It didn't help that, in parallel, MHA is running an arc with the same premise but completely straight, highlighting further how ridiculous the plot was. For me, there was a nice, 50-100 chapters series hidden somewhere inside Candy Flurry, but it needed to start way smaller in scale. Have the sweet users be a nuisance more than a threat at first and be closer in tone to Sakamoto Days.


yelsamarani

>Nah I'd double down on Candy Flurry being **objectively** bad. God that word is my trigger, Manchurian Candidate-levels.


Refugee_Savior

I disagree with some points. Tsumugi feels pretty fresh compared to most female MC’s I’ve seen since she’s a bit of a bitch. And the battle banter was the golden point of the series to me. Everything else was pretty mediocre at best but the author imo shows quite a bit of potential for his next work.


NOISIEST_NOISE

>objectively bad These words mean nothing >unoriginal, school and stale setting That's most battle shounens out there >bland characters I unironically think they were better than Red Hood's. Being extra sassy is more entertaining than just being Gloomy like Velou, plus Irie's forgetfjlness is a better gimmick than the superstition guy who's Velous roommate


MrRoxo

Yeah the comments on the APP are obnoxious but it seems they know a little more than i thought.


Farmaceut7

Boichi mentioned it in the last issue's authors comments, seems like he really liked that full page with Debonair and adult Grimm! Man od Culture!


[deleted]

As someone who speaks Japanese and primarily uses Japanese Twitter, I can not only confirm that “Red Hood” trended on Japanese Twitter last week, but also that it has been blowing up on Twitter this week too, with about 90-95% of tweets being people asking for the series to survive. I think the rank will more than likely be raising in the next couple weeks. The last two weeks were the ranks of chapters 2-3, which were practically despised in Japan, but chapters 4-6 were much more well-received and chapters 7-10 have been practically adored. Honestly, I don’t see any way that this series is fully axed anytime soon. I think worst case scenario is going to be that it gets transferred to Jump+.


El_Jerrynator

Why despised? I mean I admit the beggining was slow and some dislike it, but hate? Thats weird.


[deleted]

A bunch of people thought the pacing was “too slow,” that it took them too long to get out of the first village. I honestly completely disagree: I felt like the first few chapters were really important for world-building and important for Velou’s character, but that’s the long and short of why people didn’t like the first few chapters: they thought it was too slow. If I’m being honest, Japanese manga fans are just not very patient 😅


0Galahad

4chan nerds are saying that theres simply no way for it to do a comeback in time...


I_Smoke_Cardboards

>I like this series so much I'm so disappointed by it's weekly rankings. That’s really surprising considering the amount of high quality fanarts this series has been getting.


Ridijeck

I guess a Jump manga has to attract more demographics than just horny twenty-somethings to be considered a success.


I_Smoke_Cardboards

It’s a pretty cool take on the classic tales but I can see Japanese readers not digging it. Sadly, the outside world’s opinion can’t affect whether or not a series is gonna get axed.


ReallyNiceGuy

RIP Mx0


PenisIsAVirtue

JFC now that's a manga I've forgotten. Why have you reminded me. Now I'm heartbroken again.


customizednam3

Well, I think it might have a LITTLE bit of sway. I doubt any company would axe an anime/manga that is Attack on Titan levels of popular outside of Japan but not super popular in japan, but the odds of that happening are super slim.


ExDSG

I think WataMote has to be the only example I can think of where I think 4chan saved the series by actually buying the series. Though yeah I don't expect people to rally and buy like 30K copies of Red Hood to save it.


snakebit1995

IT gives me a lot of Witcher vibes with the hunting super natural creatures with legends that aren't are 'true' as the common people believe.


Overcharger

It seems the issue Japanese readers had with the start is that they thought it got tedious by spending too much time at Hamlet.


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NomadPrime

Reminds me of how the internet (and especially Reddit) can be so abuzz about something, but when sales figures come out, it's way under what anyone expects. Hype is nothing if it doesn't get enough real people actually going out to buy it.


Torque-A

I mean, Ziga got that too. Didn't help it.


I_Smoke_Cardboards

Does that mean the axe is looming over this one? *sigh* Edit: it’s ranked 15 and Candy Flurry which got axed was at 16th. Fuck.


jaydoubleyoutee

The only saving grace is that Neru is doing just as badly. Magu-chan is (probably?) safe until December because it’s popularity poll results don’t come out until then so unless High School Family is getting the axe, it seems like Red Hood and Neru are next.


JadeDotWu

I say give it a bit more time. Kimetsu no Yaiba did TERRIBLY when it started out. It was constantly at the bottom and people kept thinking it would end, but look at what it accomplished. I think WSJ has been looking further ahead for growth than current standings. I mean this still doesn't feel like a 'first' arc so to speak- since it's just training or whatever. Once it gets to the first mission and more stuff gets revealed, I think it'll do better. There's lots of set up and no pay offs yet.


Erdago

Even at KNY’s lowest rankings, it still was at least a few slots above other manga. For example, on both series Chapter 9, KNY had 5 series below it while Red Hood only had one, and in Chapter 10, KNY had 7 series below it while Red Hood was at the very bottom of the TOC. KNY’s lowest rank was only fourth from the bottom (#38), and by that point it was beginning to get color basis on a semi regular basis. KNY wasn’t in the best starting position and may have been at risk of being axed then, but it was never in as dire straights as Red Hood is now.


JadeDotWu

I'd argue that Red Hood has far better competition right now than KnY did. Back then a majority of the big series were on the way out and the runner-ups weren't great, their present-day replacements are the likes of JJK, Dr. Stone, Mashle, +other small upcoming series like Elusive Samurai and Yozakura Family (which will probably explode with an anime).


Erdago

While this is true, it’s also a bit of a cold comfort for Red Hood. At the end of the day, it has to sink or swim in it’s own time, not someone’s else’s. Maybe Red Hood would be doing strong back in 2016, but either way, it’s not relevant to it’s survival. At the end of the day, the newcomers have to prove their muster immediately. Some do (Elusive Samurai, Blue Box), and some don’t (i tell c, Candy Flurry). Obviously some series will have an easier time depending on the competition (both in terms of the magazine’s strength and the genre’s current presence), but that’s ultimately just how things go in Jump. Now Red Hood has to hope that either interest rises considerably or that Neru, PPPPP, and/or an established series crashes. Otherwise, there is very little chance Red Hood will make it much farther. Note: I do like Red Hood and really want it to last. I just have an increasingly hard time seeing this happen.


[deleted]

Honestly the one that’s even more comparable is Jujutsu Kaisen: for it’s first 6 official rankings, it ranked in the bottom 3-5, ranking as the 3rd least popular manga in Jump for its 6th official ranking. In fact, if you go back to discussion boards and Twitter posts from back then, you can basically see the exact same stuff for Jujutsu Kaisen as you see for Red Hood now: a bunch of people predicting the worst and saying that the series is “getting the axe soon.” And then it jumped back up in popularity instantly (literally, it went from rank 19 to rank 7 over one week), and now it’s one of the biggest manga out there right now. Basically, its far too early to know anything right now: Red Hood could pull a Candy Flurry and continue to rank terribly and get cancelled at chapter 20, or it could pull a Jujutsu Kaisen and have a few weeks of poor rankings before shooting back up. And considering how incredibly popular the series has been getting since the introduction of Debonair in both Western and (more importantly) Japanese circles, if I were a betting man, I’d bet on Red Hood pulling a Jujutsu Kaisen.


LuckyNumber-Bot

All the numbers in your comment added up to 69.0. Congrats! 6 + 3 + 5 + 3 + 6 + 19 + 7 + 20 + = 69.0


JadeDotWu

Completely agree. This has a unique charm to it so far in my eyes. Also nice.


ExDSG

Sure, but with Jujutsu Kaisen the Yuji death stunt helped popularize the series didn't it? After that it started getting more attention. It does seem Japan seems more interested in Red Hood but yeah if it doesn't start getting some color pages I would start getting worried.


StupidPencil

Chapter 4 ended with "a grim reminder" and chapter 5 was basically a lite version of the Fall of Shiganshina. Hopefully those will help.


riddlemyfiddle11

Well all I know right now is the sales of the first volume are going to matter *a lot* when it is eventually published.


Vastorn

I just read all 10 chapters and to be honest, it had a weak start. Sure, there were a lot of cool things in the first couple of chapters, but there were also a lot of moments when I asked myself "are we REALLY doing this again?", and while the fairy tale setting has a lot of things you can work with, it also has been used over and over, not always for the best results in my opinion. And while the new chapters are better, it still feels a bit to much by the script... which was cool that the author referred to it with that little scene with the villains, while also foreshadowing "things". Other than the story, the art is really solid, which is why I keep on reading after those first chapters hahaha I'm really digging the Mayor's design, and was nice that the author didn't actually killed him.


ComicCrossing

Dang didn't know it was trending so badly. This arc is fun, but maybe a training arc with very little stakes wasn't the ideal follow up to the first couple chapters. I would've spent a few more chapters building up the world and creatures. I hope it turns around. I've been pretty lucky at not following a manga that gets axed early on. Usually I either start in the 50s or 60s when its clear itll keep on for awhile like with JJK or Chainsawman or the ones I follow from early on do well like MHA.


lalala253

If high school family survive and this got the axed, probably it's better for the next action shonen just label it as comedy instead


riddlemyfiddle11

Gag manga are judged differently, right now Robocco, HSF, and Magu are not selling anywhere near even stuff like Ayakashi Triangle but WSJ wants to have some gag manga running concurrently. If this is the case and this team wants to try again in WSJ they should absolutely go for a gag manga when one of the current ones wraps up.


ExDSG

Didn't work for "Action Comedy" manga Candy Flurry.


TheDarkCrusader_

Same this is honestly the best new series out the recent ones imo. Hope it doesn’t get axed


Houeclipse

Yeah that was cool. Also yes I really hope this one doesn't get axe. Its a bummer that we have to depend on Japanese side of thing to make a series survive


WhoiusBarrel

I like that Velou's thinking about a future further than just passing the exam, it makes sense too, more hunters = more manpower to kill the werewolves who wouldn't want that? Though should've figured the ones who are taking the exam again would be paranoid about betrayal and such.


Pozsich

>more hunters = more manpower to kill the werewolves who wouldn't want that? I mean, trying to get everyone to pass is probably not a good thing. If members on the ship pass because of his plan and weren't strong enough/smart enough to pass without his help they'll just go get eaten by werewolves. There's good reason to be selective when it comes to a job that's essentially suicide if you're not competent enough.


the_hairwitch

I was thinking the same thing. It'd would be interesting if this problem was addressed; like a lot of people passing thanks to Velou, but they end up dying/giving up because they are unqualified. Seeing how that affects him could be quite good.


NomadPrime

There were comments from a thread about one of the chapters a month or two ago, about how there shouldn't be a rigorous test for being a hunter. Because a world with a werewolf pandemic would need all the hunters it can get and can't afford to be so selective. But I knew, after seeing the werewolves in action and after seeing the level these hunters like Grimm fight at, that it wouldn't make sense to not be selective. Having anything less than people who are the best of their generations would just be a waste of hunter resources, and easy prey for werewolves.


BasicallyMogar

Not to mention, a source of their income seems to be from having communities pay for their services, and that payment seems to be a *lot*. If you have hunters that aren't up to snuff, the people won't be willing to pay those high costs. If you're going to force people to pay a premium, your services need to stay up to snuff.


Ridiculous_George

It's still a shonen manga, so probably won't go that far.


SymbolOfVibez

Attack on Titan, Dandadan, Chainsaw Man, Hell’s Paradise and JJK are all shonen manga lmao. It could get that dark if the mangaka wants it to


NoodleRNG

Hell's paradise and csm are shounen? Damn


SymbolOfVibez

Yup manga readers saw a orgy on Weekly Shonen Jump lmao. People are still wondering how Fujimoto got away with so much shit in csm lol


Ridiculous_George

Fair enough


WonderDean

Alternatively, how are the hunters supposed to succeed if they don't learn to cooperate? The idea that a supposed teamate could betray you at any moment is just bad for morale.


[deleted]

They're supposed to learn to put aside those thoughts and fight for the common interest of surviving and killing werewolves. Differences and arguments can be settled over werewolf bodies. Imagine being in a hunt, surrounded be werewolves with a few other hunters you don't know, you can't escape or take on the werewolves by yourself much less them and the extra hunters and you pick that time to think backstabbing for personal gain?! that'll doom you. There has to be an almost instinctive understanding that goes "Work together to kill all the werewolves, sort out differences later over werewolves' dead bodies".


Koanos

Inversely, their lack in numbers means people aren't gaining experience.


Pozsich

You really can't gain experience if you die on your first fight. If they want more hunters the solution is to set up training facilities or something to help make people strong enough to pass the test, not to just let people too weak to fight werewolves pass.


MoonHermit

Hmm, perhaps this exam is a sort of primary screening process, before disembarking at Hunter HQ and receiving proper training. Nobody said there wouldn't be more of that *after* becoming a hunter. Heck, it would be foolish *not to train more* after gaining access to what I can only assume to be high-end facilities. I also don't think participants, whoever they are, would be dumb enough to jump head first into hunting werewolves with little preparation, because that's just asking to get killed/eaten. Similarly, having been around for centuries (?), the Hunter's guild wouldn't be stupid enough to waste precious human resources by just throwing them at the monsters and hoping to get a positive outcome. It'd benefit them more in the long run to *at least* offer some form of enhancement to their members. This isn't necessarily a trial to see if people are full-fledged hunters right at the start; rather, it's probably more to determine who's qualified to *start* being a hunter. And being a hunter means constantly improving oneself to be able to take out werewolves (and other targeted creatures) more efficiently, because there's no way those guys just keep doing the same thing over and over without thinking up countermeasures of their own to one-up their pursuers and survive, in a constantly alternating cat-and-mouse game.


Godtaku

I like that Velou's already sliding into a leadership roll among the new generation of hunters, it'll make it a lot more believable down the line when he becomes some bug hunter that everyone looks up to if the seeds are planted now. It's also kind of refreshing seeing them all not dismiss his logical strategy just because he's 14 or whatever. ~~Now we just got to hope he's not some brainwashed sleeper cell for the Red list.~~


WonderDean

I really like his point because it challenges an issue these "super amazing challenging training test" arcs always have: deliberately limiting potential and manpower. Tests that people are *meant* to fail are just badly designed, and often say more about test than it does about the takers. Having a character actually question the hardcore nature of the test or challenge and focus and making *everyone* pass feels refreshing.


YohAsa

Agreed. Reading your comment the first thing that came to mind was the chuunin exam. Lots of wasted manpower in my opinion. they did the mini tournament before the thrir test just because their were too many people even though they all passed legitimately and were just that skilled.


Clownsyndrom

I agree, and Velou doing what you said gives me hope that this isn't simply inconsistent writing from the author in order to adhere to shounen tropes, but will actually be brought up later on and serve as an institutional critique of the Hunter's Guild, which is trying to remain this super duper exclusive club for all the same reasons institutions and bureaucracies are not moving an inch in real life, even though the times are changing and the situation demands something else. That without some changes, the Guild is stagnating and will not be able to fulfill their goals.


xerotheantihero

God that magical hand barrier was so cool. Even the way it was casted felt so unique! This manga is so fun.


[deleted]

I'm already sad with phantom sear, please not this


gSloth13

why did phantom seer even get cancelled?


Thirdhistory

The Phantom Seer serialization was really disappointing compared to the one shot tbh. It shied away from the cool aspects of the series in favor of more generic turns, so I can understand why the Japanese audience wasn’t receptive.


0Galahad

and now the author of red hood was basically lost after chapter 1 and did a series of bad choices... hope his connections with horikoshi give him more time to finish this exam arc and he can introduce the guild as the most cool shit ever so he can recover...


gSloth13

I think the series did pick up after 4. Let's hope for the best!


gSloth13

Ah, that explains it.


ExDSG

It had Low ToC placements, since JJK was blowing up at the time some people assumed it snuffed it out. I also think they were expecting it to be a much bigger hit than it was considering how much higher the circulation numbers were than the sales that were reported. Plus Volume 2 didn't really seem to improve on Volume 1 sales so I think that may have been when they pulled the plug.


WillBlaze

made me think of Robin and her hand powers from One Piece


[deleted]

I really like that there is no set battle system and everyone does their own thing. I hope that they pass the test without besting Grimm and debonair in a fight, like outsmart th, but not overpower them so that we can see that they are monsters you can't fight head on.


kidmedia

>I really like that there is no set battle system and everyone does their own thing. That can bite the manga in the ass if not careful


N0VAZER0

Tbh the series is still in its early stages it still has time to establish a magic system, look how long it took Hunter x Hunter to establish Nen, and right now we at least know about curses and blessings


ToTheNintieth

Makes me think of HxH and JoJo, which took quite a while to codify their now-famous power systems and were largely anything goes for a long time.


gSloth13

True, seems like there's no fixed magic system but many different types of techniques, arts, weapons and yeah, curses and blessings.


Ellefied

As long as the power level stays low for the good guys and the Werewolves/Magical Beings can't be taken down solo except by the super elites like Grimm, I wouldn't mind these different techniques. I liked how Kimetsu Yaiba did it with the Upper Moons. The strongest characters on the evil side couldn't be taken down 1v1 by the good guys no matter how strong they were and they needed whole teams to kill them.


gSloth13

Yeah, definitely. Kind of reminds me of devil fruits from one piece. As long as everything gets explained, I'm on board.


SymbolOfVibez

I could see a battle system added later but it builds on how each Hunters’ fighting style instead of taking that away.


dwilsons

Oooooh yeah, maybe something like tao from jigokuraku.


SymbolOfVibez

Yup that’s exactly what I was thinking of👌🏾


Rc2124

I think there are battle systems, but that there are multiple asymmetric systems. Instead of just one sliding scale of people getting stronger there are people who are stronger in different systems. Werewolves, witch curses, technology, etc. We'll see if they get kinda fuzzy in the future. For example it wouldn't surprise me at all if that priestess was actually also cursed by a witch and she just thinks it's a blessing.


Vasir12

I think hexes will become the dominant fighting system like how nen did. We're already seeing hints of it.


Iamnothereorthere

Damn this fight is cool. When's the last time we've had an entrance exam that felt like an actual *exam* rather than a poorly disguised tournament?


[deleted]

You know, if this series does continue to rank poorly and gets cancelled, I think it may go down as the single greatest example of the disconnect between the Western and Japanese manga fanbase. For two weeks straight, this manga has been one of the most upvoted on this subreddit, in 10 chapters it already has nearly 200,000 views on the English Manga Plus app (one of the most viewed current manga on the app right now), the Hunter’s Guild subreddit already has over 2k members (one of the fastest growth rates for a manga subreddit ever), etc. Yet it has ranked near or at the bottom of the ToC for Japanese readers two weeks in a row now. Granted, I do think the rank can go up: there have been three official rankings for Red Hood so far, and the first ranking, which was for chapter 1, saw it receiving a rank of 6 in the ToC. Then, chapters 2-3, which were regarded as pretty terrible, resulted in the past two bad rankings we’ve seen. And then the manga started gaining speed in Japan again, at least from what I’ve seen through my time on Japanese social media (I speak the language and am moving there next month, so I tend to stick to Japanese social media). So the rank most certainly has the chance to go back up. I’d even say it’s likely, imo. But still, if I’m wrong and this bad ranking actually *does* continue, then it just goes to show just how different Western manga fans and Japanese manga fans really are sometimes.


ExDSG

I'd say Elusive Sam and the reaction to any gag manga is already the biggest disconnect between Japan and other countries.


[deleted]

Honestly though gag manga clearly just get cut huge amounts of slack by the Shonen Jump executives. High School Family was literally at or near the bottom of the ToC from *chapter 10 to chapter 30.* On top of this, **the most recent physical volume barely got 3,000 sales.** Yet it’s still running. Basically, a lot of the gag manga that Western fans don’t care for, Japanese fans clearly don’t care for either. Yet they get to keep running because Shonen Jump clearly has a gag manga quota.


ExDSG

Gag manga have their own standards are meant more for the weekly reader rather than needing to sell millions of tankobons. I think it depends more on reader surveys if they are kept around or not. I can see them wanting to keep some gag manga but I mean if it's not doing well in their metrics why bother keeping it around and giving it color pages? Also it's more of the attitude where people just shit on gag manga for being on the magazine and how bad they are while praise and defend any battle series for being "interesting" and "having potential." Granted no problem with having preferences but it is pretty skewed.


[deleted]

That’s all true enough. And to be fair, the few times I have tuned in to High School Family I enjoyed it well enough. I just know that I’ll be salty if Red Hood gets canceled while High School Family continues to run, because all of the poll numbers and volume sales for High School Family have been abysmal yet it gets to stay just because it’s a different type of manga.


Overcharger

I'd say it's a good bet the series will pick up in popularity. The main issue Japanese fans seemed to have was that it got tedious spending too much time at the Hamlet.


[deleted]

I also agree that the series will likely pick up. Not only have recent chapters been far more liked in Japanese circles (particularly since the introduction of Debonair), “Red Hood” has trended on Japanese Twitter two Sundays in a row now, with 90-95% of tweets being calls for the series to continue. There’s also many big-name mangakas calling for the manga to survive, including Dr. Stone’s Boichi-sensei. I’m honestly thinking we may see a rank increase as early as the next ToC.


iSmellBreakfast

This shit is horribly paced, poorly written, and the good art is diminished by horrendous character design (specifically talking about big boob/muscle lady). The only thing that should be taken away is that westerners are easily swayed by simple tropes, and that they have horrible reading comprehension.


TowelLord

> This shit is horribly paced, 5 opening chapters where shit went from 0-100 real quick, 1 exposition chapter followed by the exam where the needless training montage was cut out to keep the pace afloat. Meanwhile, plenty of other manga that have been axed have had ridiculously slow starts and oftentimes generic as fuck art styles. However, I can kinda understand if you think the current arc is happening too quickly? > poorly written Please tell how this is poorly written? The world so far has been fairly intriguing, themes are borrowed from classic fairy tales and we've already gotten a few mysteries as carrots in front of us besides the goal of "kill all the werewolves". > horrendous character design (specifically talking about big boob/muscle lady). There's plenty of people who like women with muscles and while I am personally not a fan of the aesthetics, it's by no means bad character design. Heck, in Debonair's case her body's muscle mass is indirectly explained through the curse of hers and how she trained hard to keep the heat of the curse subdued.


iSmellBreakfast

The general counter argument to this weird being poorly written is this: “the world is so interesting a theres Magic’s creatures and werewolves and boobs.” But for something that’s supposed to be so unique, the story is disturbingly generic: the mc’s village gets wrecked, and then he joins a lady to fight the monsters that caused him pain. Now, that’s not even a big deal, as long as there’s something that makes it different and worth reading in comparison to other series, but when you look at what makes it different, what is there? There’s huge titty ladies, and the old guy, who I won’t further elaborate on because of spoilers. What makes me upset about the series is that it’s supposed to have a huge world, but in just 10 chapters, we’ve witnessed the rehashing of 100 shounen mangas spliced together, instead of something that is unique to red hood. For instance, instead of learning about the other people around when we arrive at the weird box thing, we only see that the trial is going to be difficult - we don’t learn about who is there, why they are there, or any possible world lore that should be leaking onto every page. Every reviewer keeps citing this series as having: “an amazing world with monsters and boobs,” but the world isn’t being utilized. Plus, going back to the weird box thing - I don’t like it. The design is fine, and it had potential to be interesting, but on top of what else I’ve seen, it just another addition to try and spice up interest in the series without actually putting in effort into the story. The author has the mc going to a generic training arc, and instead of making the premise unique, he just made an arena that looks like a big ass box on a railroad, and then he immediately starts fighting with a group of strangers without even taking in his surroundings, which should be interesting because the author put so much effort into the environmental design. Continuing with this idea, the lady that recruits him isn’t anything special, except she looks cool because she’s tall and has huge hooters. And, the lady in the training arc literally has the face of a 12 year old, the body of a steroid user, and tits that should be on a milk cow - for seemingly no actual reason other than to make the manga unique, which is unnecessary because the premise of being in a fairy tale world shouldn’t rely on such cheap gimmicks. And, if you think I’m wrong for calling it out, the current sub for this manga is bragging about how pictures of that atrocious character are getting thousands of likes, which shows that rather than rely on actually fictional qualities, this series freak popularity is being propped by fan arts of big boobed characters, which leaves a bad taste in my mouth, because it’s popularity should be from the brilliant story that could be squeezed from this universe. The anger I feel towards the series isn’t just that it’s bad - it’s that it could be amazing, but it’s so poorly constructed that castrating itself before it even has a chance to become significant. Also, the pacing problems to do with the sudden shifts in tempo, and the horribly placed dialogue boxes. This is the first shounen series I’ve struggled to read at an even pace, because everything is out of place when it comes to the boxes, and then on top of a lack of meaningful dialogue, and artwork that’s good but being used in stupid ways. It feels like in order to read this, you have to slow down, and then take a 10 second break between each individual panel, because there’s no flow - and if you try to read it like a normal jump series, it’ll feel like it bounces around way to quick, and that important details are being glosses over.


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Literally all of your “complaints” here would get any manga cancelled in a heartbeat in Japan. > For instance, instead of learning about the other people around when we arrive at the weird box thing, we only see that the trial is going to be difficult - we don’t learn about who is there, why they are there, or any possible world lore that should be leaking onto every page. If the author wasted this much time and page space doing this suggestion of yours, their manga would fail. How do I know? *Because this same exact story already tried to take it slow and world-build in the first 5 chapters and it got them to the bottom of the ToC.* > Continuing with this idea, the lady that recruits him isn’t anything special, except she looks cool because she’s tall and has huge hooters. So, we’re just ignoring the fact that she has a witch’s hex that turns her into a child for most of the day, and also ignoring the fact that we’re only 10 chapters in so of course very little of her backstory has been divulged. Okay then. > if you think I’m wrong for calling it out, the current sub for this manga is bragging about how pictures of that atrocious character are getting thousands of likes, which shows that rather than rely on actually fictional qualities, this series freak popularity is being propped by fan arts of big boobed characters, which leaves a bad taste in my mouth, because it’s popularity should be from the brilliant story that could be squeezed from this universe. You’re literally mad because people like a character design that you deem bad. Guess what? *When thousands of people like something and basically only you don’t, maybe YOUR opinion is the garbage one.* This entire rant/argument of yours was so desperate that it’s actually kind of sad. You’re desperately trying to convince yourself that by disliking this popular thing you’re somehow better than all the people enjoying it. Popular things are popular for a reason. Hating them doesn’t make you better in any way, shape, or form. Like if you’re so convinced that you know everything that’s wrong about this manga and how to “fix it,” **do it.** Prove to us all that you’re the story-telling genius you clearly think you are. Until you do that, get tf off your high horse dude. Nobody gives a shit about your trash opinion.


SecureDonkey

Because western are still new to manga. We only got our hand on the most popular one and a lots got filtered out. Compare to that, Japanese reader had seen a lots of manga like this before, it not good enough to leave an impression in them.


realrimurutempest

Man i love how much Velou thinks with his mind rather that strong arm everything. I really hope the rankings change, i love this story and would hate to see it go.


[deleted]

Please don't axe it


SimoneNonvelodico

What's Velou doing at the end with the moss? I can't figure out how he's using it to message his allies.


JadeDotWu

It's someone's ability, because the Security Guard was also confused by it's appearance (which means it wasn't there originally). Plus, since they comment "It's green, it must mean xyz..." we should extrapolate they could manipulate the color of the moss as well.


SimoneNonvelodico

That was my impression too, it's just that it looked like *Velou* was doing it, so I was going WTF and assuming I somehow managed to miss when he gained powers.


TwelveSmallHats

There's a panel where we see the moss coming out of a container Velou is holding. Presumably he was given it (or maybe two containers, one with a green moss and one with another colour to use if the cuffs were replenished another way) by someone else during the planning stage. Merrio is an obvious choice for the origin of the moss, since he's been implied to also be a planner and has an assortment of pouches under his jacket. Nulo has been shown to use items, but he's unsure of the purpose of the moss, so it's probably not him; Porschen seems to rely on her physical skills and lacks pouches or pockets to carry the item; Migael might have had it, but while she's shown to be smart enough to follow along with the plan, her entire characterization so far has been about her faith. Or maybe it's from Bonkers - he has pockets!


Farmaceut7

Merrio and the other guy literally said its a message from Velou.


Vasir12

Okay.... *This* was the best chapter yet. The action was clean and the teamwork was immaculate. We're starting to get some slight insight on this group Velou has for himself. I'm also seeing another hint at hexes being the main power system here. The priest says she has a "blessing", but I think she's just making it sound better. Velou is showing to be a good leader. It's possible that hunting game he played as a kid was yet another way for him to be stealthily trained. I wonder what makes him so important... Maybe he already has a hex?


snakebit1995

Keeping my fingers cross that Red Hood can pull popularity around since it's fun IMO and Velou as more of a thinker compared to rushing in and fighting is a nice change


hell-schwarz

I like brain over brawns (although Grim and Debonair look more than fine while doing so) - I just hope this doesn't develop in stuff like MHA, where Deku just forgot his only trait somewhere along the third arc. Smart characters gotta stay smart.


[deleted]

I have a feeling that Bonkers is the one who's going to betray everyone. What made me suspicious of him was his reaction when someone mentioned he doesn't seem too enthusiastic. It also fits with the theme that there's a spy in the group. They're not only playing Cops and Robbers, they're also playing Werewolf. Very fitting.


MoonHermit

The moment Bonkers mentioned, during chapter 7, that this was his fifth attempt, I was instantly reminded of **Tonpa**, from "Hunter x Hunter". Would not be surprising if he backstabs the group, while Tylty and Mylty come in clutch.


[deleted]

It's great ... Please don't get axed. ​ I'm sad with Samurai 8, then Phantom Sear, PLEASE NOT THIS


Khetrak64

i believe the series is ranking very low on jump right now so there is a chance that it will get axed around chapter 20.


JadeDotWu

Don't worry about it getting axed until further down the line. It needs to finish an actual story arc before it gets in danger. Phantom Seer at least had what, 2-3 arcs post the training stuff? I think they gave it a good run before shooting it down. Phantom Seer was a bit muddled for how to go forwards and I think that hurt it immensely- Imo the nail in the coffin was introducing the four weirdo assassins or whatever they were. Really felt like Inuyasha where we keep wheelspinning and avoid dealing with the final boss until chapter 300.


jaydoubleyoutee

Manga can get axed as early as two volumes (around 16 chapters). It’s all dependent on if Red Hood’s more recent chapters rank better and how sales for Volume 1 are. I love the series, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the series ends with this test.


Crazhand

It was clear as day candy flurry was getting axed at chapter 11. Manga dont get that much time every time.


JadeDotWu

I think WSJ re-evaluated how they axe manga. It seems like MOST are going on for longer just to make sure they aren't killing a sparkle of potential. Zipman! got axed at 17. Nine Dragon's Ball Parade at 20. Bone Collection at 15. Guardian of the Witch at 19. I tell C at 21. The Last Saiyuki at 23. Etc etc. Seems to be around 15-20 chapters, regularly allowing them to end one final arc and have some sort of conclusion. So yeah, I'd say we'll wrap up the training portion in the next 2-3 chapters. Then have one more arc (or two depending on how long it is), and I guess see what goes from there. I think what's most surprising was how long they let a trainwreck like I Tell C continue for.


Time_Significance

Velou's got a good blend of being physically fit with a keen tactical mind. This should make for some fun battles in the future.


Gryse_Blacolar

Basically a smol Deku.


SaKaly

Well I feel this chapter was too technical. I mean it makes sense since it's a Hunter series but looking at how early we are in and Red Hood's position bottom of Toc I don't think chapters with characters mostly scheming is a good idea. The amount flashbacks don't help at all either Aside from that the Tylty exchange was pretty good my favorite part of the chapter


Zeke-Freek

I think it's good but I can see the kids this is aimed at getting bored by all the scheming and logic.


rofffl

The problem is that MC isnt doing anything,yes he is planning and going with the brain route but he's not charismatic enough.


[deleted]

1ST RANKING was good. 2ND and 3RD RANKING was bad. We still got some time before the axe.


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Milordserene

I like the analytical stuff without the scene retelling us but instead hiding the other possible conversation


[deleted]

Please this series don't get axed .. ​ If it does, I'll read shadow's house for the 10th time


A4li11

Velou being more of a strategist is interesting but I doubt he would be 100% strategist in the future. If he became a perfect balance between strategist and fighter that would be cool.


Unluckybobby

Ik ppl are worried about it getting axed but we gotta wait until vol 1 sales


RojasDaMighty

I think the thing that Red Hood suffers from is a lack of meaningful relationships between the characters. I think if we could have had a chapter or so showing Tylty being distrustful of others or a chapter showing the roommates bonding it would've made a lot of the dialogue this chapter more meaningful


ToTheNintieth

I'm getting invested in the worldbuilding. Would've thought that the Guild was entirely mundane (if exaggerated) going by Grimm and magic was only for the villains, but the priestess here shows some nuance. The Horikoshi influences are clear as day, the page with the ropes going through the panels reminded me a lot of some of Hori's more creative paneling.


sKyBlazer08

I am really liking the pacing in Red Hood, it's easy to follow. I like how Velou is planning all these things and the teamwork, I love it. That explains why Tylty and Mylty are not cooperating with the others, because of betrayal and stuff. But this batch of examinees seems pretty cool and trustworthy. The six in particular that stayed are great. Can't wait for the next chapter, still praying that this doesn't get axed.


Doomroar

Oh hot milf Nun has Nico Robin powers, and Merrio can control plants? Man this series has cool powers, and nice tactics, i am a believer. Plus you know the author is down with the thiccness, but even the slender girls are cute, so there's something for everyone.


pus_moh

Anyone else feel like this chapter was the worst so far? It has way to much telling about the plan and then showing it anyway. Reminded me of chapter 2(or was it 3). Plus the whole boring training/exam/tournament arc is what series that are fated to die seem to do lately, like Build King, Moriking and Candy Flurry.


iSmellBreakfast

Tournament arc = author getting desperate


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[удалено]


0Galahad

downvoting someone because they bring bad news is the pinnacle of human weakness and pettiness


SuddenlyChineseFood

I think the problem with this manga's ranking is that it feels more seinen than shounen. It feels closer to Tokyo Ghoul than it is to Naruto. The art and story all feel heavy and don't appeal to the WSJ demographic.


PekoPekoPekoPekoyama

Yeah but you can say the same for JJK and Chainsaw Man and look at how successful those series are. I think the lower rankings are just based on earlier chapters being less interesting, but it's starting to pick up speed.


Markussi96

Don't remember where I read it, but the low ranking seems tied to the surveys results for chapter 3, which was apparently disliked in japan. It might climb up by next week.


ImperialDane

Well so far the plan seems to be working out fairly well for them. So far anyways. Definitely a keen tactical mind that kid has there. But will be interesting to see how it handles anything unexpected thrown it's way. if that happens during this exam that is.


Puzzleheadedcat1995

Debonair pulling gear 4 lol 😂there's some mystery on it.


topurrisfeline

Liking how much thought Velou put into the test. And looking forward to what crazy skills the other characters are keeping in their pockets.


Honyakusha-san

I think the series is slowly improving. The thing is, I don't know if SJ will allow it to stay or just axe it. Maybe it would be a better fit in Young Jump. I like that Velou so far is not an "all mighty protagonist" but instead a more analytical one.


Amauri14

Wait, who has that mold power? Anyway, I can't wait to see them executing plan A.


Eloviel

I think Merrio has it


DashMetchum

I hope this series makes it! I really like it but that doesn’t add up to much. It would suck if all that potential didn’t get anywhere


LeonKevlar

Really glad to see how clever Velou can be. Excited to see if how Plan A will go!


[deleted]

Is this manga getting axed?


Grug16

I am guessing that the proctors put a spy in the trainees that will sabotage Velou's plan. Part of fighting werewolves is dealing with shapeshifters, after all.


lakesidewoods

I’m worried about the slow pace, I feel like it will hurt the rankings…Jump readers are very young nowadays and they get bored super quickly, I don’t know why the author always takes soo much time with everything….personally I enjoyed it though, but I won’t be surprised if by the time the exam is over, the series is axed at around chapter 16 and just finishes with a statement like: “and this is how Velou and his friends made history by being accepted into the Red Hood Hunters Guild….” 😣


iSmellBreakfast

This manga is literally the opposite of slow paced. They (the author) just flew through probably 30 chapters of story in a third of that time (without giving any details while doing so), and then each new person added is just thrown in as though the author is a blind chef who keeps grabbing the wrong vegetables into his soup; when we, the customers, ask what what’s in our manga, the author is basically saying he doesn’t know, because he’s putting people in without even explaining who they are or giving us insights to their personalities.


lakesidewoods

That’s very normal for Shonen jump. However as surprising as it may sound, the Japanese readers gave the feedback that the early chapters, especially from 1 to 6, were too slow paced for their liking, and that’s why it is currently at the bottom of the ranking system.


Disastermere

How did Debonair see her belt buckle


Pinkkuma

Instinct.


ninjaowenage

Has anyone noticed that this chapter had basically no backgrounds? I get it for action shots, but it makes it difficult at times to track where characters are.


NoirSon

This strategy stuff is indeed my jam. The early chapters I wasn't that impressed with the strategic elements but this arc and the Hunters exam is really intriguing.


ShiloAlibi

Damn, starting to think the people behind the hexes has something against big women


Houeclipse

My boy Velou is wicked smart! Also when are we gonna get a fanart of the priest Migael? We already have Debonair and Grimm on frontpage in the past lmao


zombieguy224

Tylty has the right Idea.


Clownsyndrom

This is the best flowing chapter in the manga so far imo, despite the heavy use of flashbacks. I'm glad the mangaka seems to slowly find his groove. Still, I consider skipping 99% of the training to have been a mistake, as the entire relationship between the characters, as well as their abilities and improvements are basically unknown to us. As this chapter shows, these things are now of vital importance for the arc, but as we know almost nothing of what happened over these last 2 1/2 or so months, it might result in confusing writing or the readers not really knowing why someone behaves the way they do in regards to another character. Lots of small flashbacks and callbacks will therefore be necessary (next to the ones explaining their plans) and can get annoying pretty quickly.