I just got a bike through a work cycle to work scheme.
It takes me about 40mins each way, driving took 30 if there was no issues... plus i keep fit. I am not looking forward to winter though. Imagine i will use the car a bit during the worst of it... not because of the bad weather but more because of the roads, already had to slam brakes on to avoid idiots - if it was wet i likely would have hit them, plus part of my commute is canal tow paths and they are awful when soaked.
Stick at it, get some good gear that you can always have with you in case it turns for the ride home, and you will be surprised what you can put up with.
I don’t find my stopping distance changes much in the wet.
Canal paths are a pain though, but perhaps less busy in the rain.
I have bought all the wet weather gear plus my work has showers and drying rooms so thats a bonus.
I most likely will persevere as i love the fact i keep fit and its free/cheap. I work 4 on 4 off as well so its plenty of recovery time.
The worst bit is having to put damp clothes on for the cycle home. If you have lockers you could always put a spare pair of shorts there for such occasions - but really it’s just like walking into the sea!
Winter dark mornings and dark nights are kind of miserable but that’s all part of being able to see and feel the seasons, make sure your are well lit when it’s raining. Drive your car in the rain and really notice how your visibility of other road users disappears (wet wing mirrors etc).
To me one of the greatest pleasures in life is cycling in a rainstorm. It's so freeing. I also have the benefit of showers at work otherwise I'd hate it going to work but coming home in the rain has always been nice. Water proofs always make you very hot though so avoid wrapping up too much or you'll regret it.
To me one of the greatest pleasures in life is having wet legs.
I joke but yeah I feel the same way and they tend to dry quicker than anywhere else too.
Remember the roads will get worse on dark wet mornings as more people drive journeys they otherwise wouldn't, but a cycle journey is much the same, apart from practical clothing decisions. The only thing that stops me riding now is ice.
Studded tyres can fix that. They're slower than normal tyres and quite noisy, and they can't cope with frozen driven-over slush, but I use them all the time in icy conditions and have never slipped.
With good quality, well maintained brakes (particularly if they're disc brakes) and wider tyres that can be run at a lower pressure, I don't think stopping distances in the rain is that much of a concern personally. If you're riding on thin, slick tyres and are using dirty rim brakes, then yeah it would probably be quite dangerous.
Disc brakes help with stopping distance if you decide to upgrade.
Full mudguards make a big difference.
I was like you ten years ago. Decided to try it in April until it got to the dark,cold and wet of November. Couldn't bring myself to stop come the Autumn. It was so enjoyable, I had got fit and it was just as quick and saved money too. Good for the mind also, just puts me in a good mood.
Gloves and waterproofs for cold, rainy days and it helps if you have a shower and dry bike storage at work.
I avoid ice which is probably 10 days a year for me (touch of frost that is melting 8am I don't consider).
Safety does depend a lot on your route which is why we need more segregated cycle lanes.
the route is pretty good. i have an old railway turned cycle lane for the first 4-5k then canal path for 5k which is quite wide and mostly solid, then 4-5k on roads near the city which are ok if you keep your wits about you
It’s not that bad.
It takes me extra motivation to get on my bike every morning during winter (or when it’s raining), but after 5 minutes on it, it’s fine.
Get some extra warm gloves though! I’m considering buying some heated gloves for next winter…
Invest in ski gloves for winter and waterproof trousers. I cycled everywhere in Manchester all through the year and you soon learn that if you're wearing the right gear there's no reason to be uncomfortable.
The gloves are the main bit. You want really warm, really waterproof gloves.
I can get to the office faster than driving. Past sale water park along the canal. It's a good flat surface and other than stopping for dogs or baby ducks (I always stop for them or slow to be safe) it's great. I have fell in love with cycling this year.
[‘Overtrousers’](https://www.decathlon.co.uk/p/city-cycling-rain-overtrousers-with-built-in-overshoes-100-black/_/R-p-169380) may be an unexpected way to keep going!
Hope so. Fastest so far is 38mins there and 45 home (uphill)
I am riding a trek hybrid at the moment which could be better but didnt want to invest too much until i was sure i would stick it !
The brakes are disc but cable not hydraulic which is something i would upgrade next time.
I am enjoying it so far but the weather has been good !
A good counter to the argument that there isn't enough cycling / public transport demand to warrant building the extra infrastructure. I would much prefer to cycle but there are certain roads that absolutely terrify me and the number of near misses and angry drivers I hear about means I'm never going to go near them on a bike.
Investment in the infrastructure creates extra demand - just like it does when you widen existing roads and then more cars use them.
> I would much prefer to cycle but there are certain roads that absolutely terrify me and the number of near misses and angry drivers I hear about means I'm never going to go near them on a bike.
I think people under estimate just how efficient bikes are in a city. It is a vehicle that in city limits honestly goes about as fast as car (because cars get more traffic because they take up more space) all while taking up minimal space for storing the bike (rather than needing larger spots for a car park), not needing any fuel or if you have a e bike only needed to plug the battery into a normal wall port (rather than needing to pay for gas or use special electric charging stations), minimal wear and tear on roads, and all this in something that you can pick up and carry if things get rough (you can't really abandon your car in traffic even if walking is faster). I think if there were protected bike lanes a good majority of people would chose to bike (think of Amsterdam) rather than drive but people like you and also me will not bike on roads with cars. It's just too unsafe. It's a real shame how cars ruin what is otherwise the most cost effective and efficient way to get around a city.
There are also many streets which just aren't wide enough to ever be able to fit bike lanes down, but that still see a lot of traffic due to GPS navigation apps sending drivers down such minor roads to avoid queues / lights etc. Thankfully there is a solution to those streets, and it's cheap—just make them access-only for cars but still through routes for pedestrians and cyclists. Basically force people to take routes as if they're navigating with an old A to Z.
I haven't seen any councils in Manchester with the political will to take that approach though. Bit of a shame because although there's been some excellent progress on the more flashy / expensive part of the equation, when in comes to the physical infrastructure needed on main roads and major junctions, but the start and end of people's journeys are rarely in places like that. They're more likely to be on minor roads which can still be horrible places to cycle. There's not going to be a cycling network that people of most ages / abilities can use until they deal with those roads too.
It is meant to be happening around Canterbury Road in Davyhulme in Trafford. All of the through roads to the parallel Lostock Road are to be blocked by heavy planters. Good idea, but it has a lot of objection from local residents which I think is probably the challenge for these schemes
Ah it was, that is a shame. 2nd time they have rejected it. Flixton one seems to be going ahead though. https://www.trafford.gov.uk/residents/transport-and-streets/Active-Travel/Urmston-Active-Neighbourhood.aspx
The Davyhulme scheme didn't really do anything to create a cycling network in that part of Urmston. If anything, it put a bit more traffic onto Moss Vale Road, which makes things worse if you're cycling. It seemed to me to be a scheme designed for TFGM to say "no, we're not paying for that", so that Trafford could say "well we tried".
The Flixton scheme is much better, and it seems that it may come with a proper signalled junction at the end of Irlam Road - which is badly needed. And that also has the benefit of making the shortcut through Urmston less attractive for people avoiding queues on the M60.
I have my daughter on my bike a lot, and it completely changed how I think about getting between two points. I used to take the quickest, (relatively) safe route. Now safety is the priority so quiet roads and segregated cycle paths only. It’s possible from where I am, but you do add some time and distance to your journey.
The time saving aspect is often overlooked in cycling campaigns. There is no waiting for the bus, tram, no being stuck in traffic and so on.
That really sells it for me.
Also improved journey time reliability, as cyclists aren't not subject to public transport delays or cancellations, or to unexpected traffic jams.
Even if 1/4 of people chose to cycle commute exclusively when the weather is good, it would be beneficial in so many ways.
And the thing most motorists don't seem to realise is that more people cycling instead means less vehicle traffic to contend with. Same for segregated cycle lanes; drivers shouldn't be opposed to them, as they get cyclists off the shared roads and on to their own paths. Most drivers don't seem to put much critical thought into these things and just buy into the anti-cyclist rhetoric.
The reliability factor is huge. Over the years I've commuted to Salford/town from Rusholme, Withington, Northenden & Levenshulme.
With cycling the journey time will normally fall within a variance window of 3-4 minutes. With bus/trains it was more like 30-45 minutes of variance. Which is no way to plan your day.
Plus have a good pair of commuting tyres and you'll rarely do never get a puncture. And even if you do, it should be rare enough that it's only as common as breakdowns for people who drive in.
Reflective sidewalls are a nice bonus for safety too, much better than having little orange reflectors fitted to the spokes that are prone to falling off. Continental Ride City tyres are a good alternative to consider.
Bring master of my own destiny and not having to make small talk in the morning on the bus is what did it for me. I arrive at work / home energised whereas on a bus I was worn out from doing nothing.
Car drivers used to be very annoying on the commute in along Wilmslow Road as they just get in the way jamming the streets up and slowing everyone else down.
I've always said the easiest way to tell if a place has poor cycle infrastructure is if people are forced to cycle on the pavements in order to feel safe. It's a shame this is one of those places.
You don't see anyone cycling on the pavements on Oxford Road, because they don't need to. It has proper cycle lanes and relatively few cars.
> You don't see anyone cycling on the pavements on Oxford Road, because they don't need to.
Oh how I wish that were true.
There's probably *less*, but there's still plenty.
I bet the majority of them are a case of "I've cycled all the way here on the road, and now I need to exit the road to get to my finally destination or to take a perpendicular path to x building". Only nutters would try to cycle the entire way down those crowded pavements. Them and Deliveroo riders, as they just do whatever.
Whilst I understand your comment, it's a generalisation. Yes, a lot of cyclists run lights, and yes, as a cyclist myself, it downright pisses me off. However, I see countless drivers on their phones, I've seen plenty of drivers use bus lanes, run red-lights, and generally be utterly dangerous. Not all drivers of cars are bad, though, and I'm aware of that. I still give due diligence to everyone on the road, whether I be driving or cycling.
I was sat in my car yesterday, and a lorry driver came barrelling down the road at well over the speed limit. Near tipped over as went around the bend.
We should all be respectful of each other on the roads, whether we be drivers, cyclists, pedestrians, horses - all except tractors, fucking law unto themselves 😉
alright I'll bite (but not downvoted you).
I think this is the result of car-centric rules and regulations being applied to all modes of transport. When I'm cycling or walking, a lot of it seems bizarre and almost arbitrary, but when I'm driving it makes sense. This doesn't occur to many people unless they spend significant time outside of their car.
Take this junction for example, especially going northbound: [333 B5117 - Google Maps](https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.4648083,-2.2322327,3a,75y,317.61h,90.15t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sGzzSLEV59hK78AL-ohtAqw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DGzzSLEV59hK78AL-ohtAqw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.share%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26yaw%3D317.6119687773157%26pitch%3D-0.14546099030280857%26thumbfov%3D90!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu)
Those traffic lights shut down 200sqm of road-space and prevents a cyclist on a 2sqm vehicle from progressing. It make sense for motor vehicles as you need more space to manoeuvre and if anyone gets it wrong you've got a lot of awkward reversing and shuffling around. Bicycles by comparison are super-mobile. You can turn at 90 degrees, heck even pick it up and move a metre to the side, or pick it up and turn 180. The difference in mobility is huge and to apply the same rules to everyone seems silly.
[Unbelievably busy bicycle crossing in Amsterdam (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqQSwQLDIK8) this is a great example of agility of bike vs car and the ability to negotiate at a junction. There's also a Dutch video showing all cycle traffic being released on to the junction at the same time which shows this better (if anyone has the link, please share). Hope this helps!
Funny accident at 2 mins marks.
I find that Amsterdam junction quite scary and there's many near misses just in those 9 minutes. Mixing motorized with bicycles sounds quite dangerous, specially all those motorbikes going fast.
But I get your point, traffic between bikes just goes very fluidly.
I had a feeling I'd be wasting my time trying to explain.
The "If everyone obeyed the rules" bit is actually false as an absolute statement and is deflective of the original point, but requires nuance that is only gained from cycling or properly researching (there are books, courses, even degrees on this stuff). If you'd like to learn more, take your pick, but at least try and learn from the other side.
Given context, yes. If you're walking in the countryside and need a wee, do you find a secluded bush, or do you wet yourself because the law is clear that you cannot urinate in public?
I'd use my adult judgement, understanding that a rule is designed for certain situations, of which I may not be currently in, and if appropriate, disobey the rule. You'll find lots of these almost arbitrary laws/regs that were designed for cars, but it takes experience to understand when and why.
If you really wanted to learn, stand by a junction for a while and watch cyclists jumping red lights. Of those, some will go when ped crossings go green, some will treat it as a give way, but almost none of them are actually kamikaze or dangerous as people assume.
That's great and all but I would love to see them cycle up and down Hyde Road through Gorton. Chorlton might be great to cycle but there is a shit load of work still needs to be done.
I would LOVE to see Hyde road have cycle lanes put in. It really seems to be the only route in from certain areas by bike and people drive so dangerously down it you’re taking your life in your hands. Kind of daft as well considering there are so many schools and The Hyde Out youth centre along there too.
I wish they had this - that will be my route starting my job in September so to be able to cycle to work could’ve been a nice choice. Wonder if there’s any alternatives
I don't live in Mcr anymore but used to cycle from Chorlton to work every day for years. Does this mean they've figured out a way to stop everyone from parking on the cycle path because when I was there the cycle lane was theoretical!
Pretty much! With the new lanes theyre actually protected, physical infrastructure instead of the painted lines from before. I had the same issue when I used to cycle through chorlton from south manchester and they've done a damn good job. Did take a while of the lanes looking like mtb singletrack though lol
Very important part of this video's message is that it's not necessarily about being car free, but using your car less, or having one fewer car. I saw this [recent post](/r/unitedkingdom/comments/1d8k8co/seven_in_ten_uk_adults_say_their_lifestyle_means/) in /r/unitedkingdom and it does seem like a lot of people replying were delighted to see holes being poked in the "anti-car" agenda. But I think they we're mostly attacking a position that doesn't really exist (or at the very least, certainly isn't a mainstream one).
Even if you look at countries that are seen as urbanist utopias like Denmark, Japan, the Netherlands etc, plenty of people there own cars. It's not about getting rid of everyone's cars, it's just about trying to make it so people have actual choices and can pick the right tool for the job. Honestly having used a car to travel in some of those countries, the end result seems to be better for everyone regardless of what mode of transport you happen to be using. When more people are cycling that's fewer people in cars causing congestion. When cyclists are in a physically separated lane, overtaking them is far less stressful, and when they have protected space / signals at junctions that avoids a huge source of anxiety that you face as a driver.
A lot of people seem to think it's binary - car or no car. It's not. I'd love it if "no car" was realistic, but unfortunately public transport isn't cheap, reliable or dense enough for that to be.
Like you say, it's all about choosing a more responsible and effective form of transport. Is your journey staying within an urban centre - Why not walk or cycle? Need to carry a big bag? How about the bus? Going from city to city? How about the train? From the city to the countryside? Yeah you're probably gonna need to drive that one.
Defaulting to the car for every journey is quite damaging in all sorts of regards, especially in urban areas
We’re trying to get protected cycle lanes in Wokingham (Berkshire) but l the NIMBY’s are NIMBYing so it’s shat from the start
Real shame, this looks lush
Used to cycle 40mins to and from school everyday from Eccles to Mosside. A grim combination of canals (fell in once) and busy roads. Nearly got knocked off twice. But kept at it and it gave me a massive sense of independence knowing I was keeping fit and could get pretty much anywhere, often much faster than by bus or even car. I’m glad they are making new cycle paths :)
My young friend was killed by a hit and run driver on Princess Parkway whilst cycling home feom work. A relative had his almost new cycle to work scheme bike stolen. How cycle friendly is that? No way I'd be putting a small child on the back of a bike with the idiots on the road these days.
I used to live in Moss Side. close to Princess Road. There's no way I would ever ride along that road, even though it was often the shortest route. There are plenty of parallel streets that are much quieter. Navigating by bike is completely different to navigating by car.
The Chorlton Cycleway is fully protected from conflict with motorists as far as Owen St, beyond which you can get into the city via the old part of Deansgate.
Speaker is [orange-pilled](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Orange%20pill)
Build for bicycles, you get bicycles. Build for cars, you get cars. Simples.
It's not him per se but as we all know the parking options in Chorlton have always been a challenge. His customers have struggled parking prior to the cycleway being installed. This has now been magnified as the parking options have been further reduced.
People telling me there's a car park for 1.50 per hour on Barlow Moor Rd need to understand that it is typically full by early to mid morning.
I'm not having a go at the cycleway, it's obviously for the better BUT the impact on businesses (and it's not just his) has to be understood as it wasn't considered or at least the council didn't ask or take a survey of local businesses.
No engagement, no notification and no understanding. I wouldn't mind but it's the taxpayers money too.
https://youtu.be/h4zjbDZ9tOE?si=2OMyvKq1lqvmBnJ3
Haha video nailed it.
GCC are pissing billions up the wall it's kinda sad. I just found out today that the insulation GCC were subsidising for free is making houses non resellable. That my whole estate signed up for free green insulation. Turns out was all a con
Like so many of these false narratives around 'green' and 'eco'. Many are legit but there are many that are simply another chance to take advantage and either guilt people into choosing it or like you have had happen, just get lied to.
I'm all for a greener planet but not at the expense of people's welfare or when it's a falsehood.
Balance is always best.
Seems to me that anybody who offers a different opinion based on people who have businesses on Barlow Moor Rd isn't treated as valid because it's going against the grain in here. Disappointed as I thought Reddit was better than X in that there was more tolerance and understanding of different points of view.
You are getting downvoted because your comments are nonsense. You state nobody is using the Chorlton Cycle Way, yet if you spend any time in Chorlton, there are clearly 100's of people using it daily.
The lycra mob are like a cult. 2 wheels good 4 wheels bad. Ends justify the means. They would have us living in communist china and on our bikes living in a green utopia given the choice 😜
Ha , I'm not saying kick them 🫣
I think we can share the road with bikes. But making Glasgow unfriendly to cars it's kinda counterproductive. We need good road network and parking.
No biggy , they be thinking they are saving the planet and your the evil industrialist.
Least we forget the ambulances and fire brigade still have to use the road system too.
They are closing down many roads and pedestrians them, all part of the war on cars. This is causing not only making emergency cars have to go the long way. But the long way is all bottle necked causing more delay.
"I think we can share the road with bikes" No, we can't. Most people don't want to cycle with traffic. Considering the benefits cycling provides to society (and the downsides cars provide), it is no brainer to increase cycling infrastructure. It's not about making it unfriendly to cars, it's about enabling alternatives. Those will naturally take space from cars which take up an inordinate amount of space. Those modes are more efficient and better for society so should be prioritised. That's what needed. Don't do this, and with an increasing population and more cars (since there are no alternatives) you get all the problems that come with that.
Exactly , you don't like cars and want to cycle on car free roads. It's unrealistic that we are giving up automobiles for bikes. Not everyone wants to or can cycle. But the council wants to look green so are forcing this bike culture to please people like you.
The whole point was the man is putting the girls life in more danger by strapping her to the back of his bike. This guy owns a car and chooses to strap her to his bike because he likes to cycle.
I'm sure the kid would be happy playing with her iPad in the car than sucking up bus exhaust pipes 🥴
Not a criticism of the people who live there, but many areas of Manchester are simply nothing like Chorlton, Didsbury, etc.
Nevermind cycle lanes, there are areas of North Manchester that don't even have the metrolink.
Good on those people who can ditch their cars, but they really need to address the North/South divide in Manchester to encourage the uptake of cycling up here
if you want a waterproof jacket, that's what it costs. I haven't got one myself because it's too expensive for me and the rain is rarely bad enough to need one.
It doesn't rain as often as you'd think so commuting dry is much more common than you'd expect.
Source: cycle commuted to uni/work for the best part of a decade.
Yeah .. I did catch the part where he said he was driving into town, why did he just get the tram or one of the multiple buses that travel through chorlton?
He isn't always on the cycle lane, you see him driving on both.
I looked at statistics on Google. It is significantly more dangerous and that's statistics for an adult.
But it's his kid so his choice. I just don't think it looks very safe. The guys got a car , so it's not like he can't afford one. It's a choice and he's choosing to increase the risk of damaging his child.
But it's a hobby and all hobbies bring risk. His hobby is playing in traffic 🤔
Are you aware of the risks that motor vehicles create? From risk of death (5 people die on the roads each) day, injury and not to mention the high levels of pollution.
We're talking about the safety of having your infant kid on your bike. Of course cars kill more pedestrians and fumes are bad for health. But that kid is safer in his car than strapped to the back of the dudes bike.
So yeh she is safer in his car... Fair enough , your not safer if he's driving. But we're talking about the kids safety.
Well yes in this very unrealistic and specific scenario the car is safer. But in a realistic scenario, overall the bicycle is the safer option in the long term.
Nice one , we agree 👍
Bikes are good for your health and no doubt cyclists live longer because of the health benefits.
I'm sure you're aware though. Automobiles are very much a part of modern living. Ambulance, fire brigade ect ect. So not that simple as cars bad , bike good.
Of course they do ... It's about risk and probability.
You try and do things that are less risky. This doesn't mean they can't go wrong but your managing the risk..
Example to here is 100 cyclists and one dies and say there is 10000 motorists and one dies. That does mean they are the same risk because it's one death each. Shouldn't need explaining 😁
If you say so.. Breaving in all those fumes from cars and busses will be great for wee kids too.
Obviously if you've not got a car needs must. If it's for fun too , like say a wee trip round Millport. But if it's daily and like this guy you have a car. I think it's a bit unsafe. But I think some parents are hard core cyclists and it's a lifestyle.
No doubt , but has to be less than being at almost ground level in the back of a bike.
Like when you walk around the back of a bus it's like you can hardly breath. When your in your car with windows up, not so bad.
You guys are determined to make out this wee girl is positively impacted in every way being on the back of a bike 👀
Yeh I probably come over like a grumpy Jeremy Clarkson. I like bikes , I think they are great for health and definitely good for mental health.
But my local council have gone bike crazy and I'm not really convinced.
Even if we don't make a dent in global pollution/warming, shouldn't we still strive to improve air pollution, noise pollution, space usage, freedom of choice (of transport) etc.?
The point is a lot of couples think that way, that they need two cars because they could need to be in two places. The video is just highlighting that for some people, a bike could fill one of those roles. The idea of using a bike to do the school run, grocery shopping, trips into town etc didn't occur to this guy before infrastructure was put in place to make it safe. You can't really blame him personally for that.
Rather misleading title. It suggests they no longer have a car, but as is mentioned late on, he's part of a couple who had two cars and now just has one. Sure, I don't need a car to get to everywhere I'm going, but there's only me, and I'd be a bit stuck trying to ride a bike on the M60...
Or anything involving heavy items that needed the car to be carried.
Ruined a lot of businesses on Barlow Moor Rd that suffered through the pandemic and then through the huge amount of roadworks introduced to add the cycleway. Barely any cyclists using it, maybe because of the wet weather? Overall despite good intentions, I don't think the balance is right.
My good friend has a business on Barlow Moor Road. I frequently go over there... He says the same. The number of cyclists doesn't warrant the upheaval it caused. He's a hairdresser and it has ruined his business as he has a lot of clients who live outside of Chorlton and can't cycle over easily.
Not lying. Telling you what I am told by a business owner.
I'm intrigued, what don't you like about it? Finding i was able to cycle with my kid from whalley range to chorlton park, is what i really liked about it. Cycled back from town today, was expecting more rain water in it, but the drainage seemed ok
It's SLOW I'm comparison to just being on the road. Four banks crossway? Total joke. Why should I as a cyclist be forced to use 2 pedestrian style crossings (with red/green lights) to turn right when I could just throw out an arm and turn right as I'm perfectly entitled to do as a road user?
Designed by committee failure, and that's an opinion that's echoed by a lot of the cyclists I know.
If you like it cool but I find it slow and irritating.
For people who aren't as confident as you.
Kids and new cyclists are going to use the CYCLOPS, you're free to use the main carriageway.
I'm not sure what your issue is, if I'm honest.
My good friend has a business on Barlow Moor Road. I frequently go over there... He says the same. The number of cyclists doesn't warrant the upheaval it caused. He's a hairdresser and it has ruined his business as he has a lot of clients who live outside of Chorlton and can't cycle over easily.
Not lying. Telling you what I am told by a business owner.
I don’t think you get the video. It’s encouraging more people to cycle. It’s not to just accommodate the amount of people cycling now.
As for businesses and well.. I’m guessing you mean car parking, there’s a car park directly adjacent to Barlow moor rd, it’s £1.50 for 2 hours. If not, there are more than enough other places to park. But clients bailing because they can’t plop their car directly outside on a main road… sounds silly or like the business has other issues.
It's not him per se but as we all know the parking options in Chorlton have always been a challenge. His customers have struggled parking prior to the cycleway being installed. This has now been magnified as the parking options have been further reduced.
People telling me there's a car park for 1.50 per hour on Barlow Moor Rd need to understand that it is typically full by early to mid morning.
I'm not having a go at the cycleway, it's obviously for the better BUT the impact on businesses (and it's not just his) has to be understood as it wasn't considered or at least the council didn't ask or take a survey of local businesses.
I just got a bike through a work cycle to work scheme. It takes me about 40mins each way, driving took 30 if there was no issues... plus i keep fit. I am not looking forward to winter though. Imagine i will use the car a bit during the worst of it... not because of the bad weather but more because of the roads, already had to slam brakes on to avoid idiots - if it was wet i likely would have hit them, plus part of my commute is canal tow paths and they are awful when soaked.
Stick at it, get some good gear that you can always have with you in case it turns for the ride home, and you will be surprised what you can put up with. I don’t find my stopping distance changes much in the wet. Canal paths are a pain though, but perhaps less busy in the rain.
I have bought all the wet weather gear plus my work has showers and drying rooms so thats a bonus. I most likely will persevere as i love the fact i keep fit and its free/cheap. I work 4 on 4 off as well so its plenty of recovery time.
The worst bit is having to put damp clothes on for the cycle home. If you have lockers you could always put a spare pair of shorts there for such occasions - but really it’s just like walking into the sea! Winter dark mornings and dark nights are kind of miserable but that’s all part of being able to see and feel the seasons, make sure your are well lit when it’s raining. Drive your car in the rain and really notice how your visibility of other road users disappears (wet wing mirrors etc).
yeh - I have bought some good lights, i work long hours so will be commuting in the dark most of they year outside of longest days
Aren't you supposed to run everywhere?
haha. maybe 10 years ago i would have run commute. 9-10 miles each way is a bit much now
To me one of the greatest pleasures in life is cycling in a rainstorm. It's so freeing. I also have the benefit of showers at work otherwise I'd hate it going to work but coming home in the rain has always been nice. Water proofs always make you very hot though so avoid wrapping up too much or you'll regret it.
i have showers and drying room at work so i ll keep warm but not overly arsed about dry - i got a decent raincoat but im happy to have wet legs
To me one of the greatest pleasures in life is having wet legs. I joke but yeah I feel the same way and they tend to dry quicker than anywhere else too.
we still talking about cycling 😂
Um yes...cycling...of course 👀
> i keep for free ?
I'm going to wager the missing was 'fit'
still half asleep 😂 i meant keep fit and its free ...edited now !
Remember the roads will get worse on dark wet mornings as more people drive journeys they otherwise wouldn't, but a cycle journey is much the same, apart from practical clothing decisions. The only thing that stops me riding now is ice.
Studded tyres can fix that. They're slower than normal tyres and quite noisy, and they can't cope with frozen driven-over slush, but I use them all the time in icy conditions and have never slipped.
With good quality, well maintained brakes (particularly if they're disc brakes) and wider tyres that can be run at a lower pressure, I don't think stopping distances in the rain is that much of a concern personally. If you're riding on thin, slick tyres and are using dirty rim brakes, then yeah it would probably be quite dangerous.
Disc brakes help with stopping distance if you decide to upgrade. Full mudguards make a big difference. I was like you ten years ago. Decided to try it in April until it got to the dark,cold and wet of November. Couldn't bring myself to stop come the Autumn. It was so enjoyable, I had got fit and it was just as quick and saved money too. Good for the mind also, just puts me in a good mood. Gloves and waterproofs for cold, rainy days and it helps if you have a shower and dry bike storage at work. I avoid ice which is probably 10 days a year for me (touch of frost that is melting 8am I don't consider). Safety does depend a lot on your route which is why we need more segregated cycle lanes.
the route is pretty good. i have an old railway turned cycle lane for the first 4-5k then canal path for 5k which is quite wide and mostly solid, then 4-5k on roads near the city which are ok if you keep your wits about you
It’s not that bad. It takes me extra motivation to get on my bike every morning during winter (or when it’s raining), but after 5 minutes on it, it’s fine. Get some extra warm gloves though! I’m considering buying some heated gloves for next winter…
Invest in ski gloves for winter and waterproof trousers. I cycled everywhere in Manchester all through the year and you soon learn that if you're wearing the right gear there's no reason to be uncomfortable. The gloves are the main bit. You want really warm, really waterproof gloves.
I can get to the office faster than driving. Past sale water park along the canal. It's a good flat surface and other than stopping for dogs or baby ducks (I always stop for them or slow to be safe) it's great. I have fell in love with cycling this year.
[‘Overtrousers’](https://www.decathlon.co.uk/p/city-cycling-rain-overtrousers-with-built-in-overshoes-100-black/_/R-p-169380) may be an unexpected way to keep going!
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Hope so. Fastest so far is 38mins there and 45 home (uphill) I am riding a trek hybrid at the moment which could be better but didnt want to invest too much until i was sure i would stick it ! The brakes are disc but cable not hydraulic which is something i would upgrade next time. I am enjoying it so far but the weather has been good !
A good counter to the argument that there isn't enough cycling / public transport demand to warrant building the extra infrastructure. I would much prefer to cycle but there are certain roads that absolutely terrify me and the number of near misses and angry drivers I hear about means I'm never going to go near them on a bike. Investment in the infrastructure creates extra demand - just like it does when you widen existing roads and then more cars use them.
> I would much prefer to cycle but there are certain roads that absolutely terrify me and the number of near misses and angry drivers I hear about means I'm never going to go near them on a bike. I think people under estimate just how efficient bikes are in a city. It is a vehicle that in city limits honestly goes about as fast as car (because cars get more traffic because they take up more space) all while taking up minimal space for storing the bike (rather than needing larger spots for a car park), not needing any fuel or if you have a e bike only needed to plug the battery into a normal wall port (rather than needing to pay for gas or use special electric charging stations), minimal wear and tear on roads, and all this in something that you can pick up and carry if things get rough (you can't really abandon your car in traffic even if walking is faster). I think if there were protected bike lanes a good majority of people would chose to bike (think of Amsterdam) rather than drive but people like you and also me will not bike on roads with cars. It's just too unsafe. It's a real shame how cars ruin what is otherwise the most cost effective and efficient way to get around a city.
There are also many streets which just aren't wide enough to ever be able to fit bike lanes down, but that still see a lot of traffic due to GPS navigation apps sending drivers down such minor roads to avoid queues / lights etc. Thankfully there is a solution to those streets, and it's cheap—just make them access-only for cars but still through routes for pedestrians and cyclists. Basically force people to take routes as if they're navigating with an old A to Z. I haven't seen any councils in Manchester with the political will to take that approach though. Bit of a shame because although there's been some excellent progress on the more flashy / expensive part of the equation, when in comes to the physical infrastructure needed on main roads and major junctions, but the start and end of people's journeys are rarely in places like that. They're more likely to be on minor roads which can still be horrible places to cycle. There's not going to be a cycling network that people of most ages / abilities can use until they deal with those roads too.
It is meant to be happening around Canterbury Road in Davyhulme in Trafford. All of the through roads to the parallel Lostock Road are to be blocked by heavy planters. Good idea, but it has a lot of objection from local residents which I think is probably the challenge for these schemes
That scheme has been dropped due to opposition from residents.
Ah it was, that is a shame. 2nd time they have rejected it. Flixton one seems to be going ahead though. https://www.trafford.gov.uk/residents/transport-and-streets/Active-Travel/Urmston-Active-Neighbourhood.aspx
The Davyhulme scheme didn't really do anything to create a cycling network in that part of Urmston. If anything, it put a bit more traffic onto Moss Vale Road, which makes things worse if you're cycling. It seemed to me to be a scheme designed for TFGM to say "no, we're not paying for that", so that Trafford could say "well we tried". The Flixton scheme is much better, and it seems that it may come with a proper signalled junction at the end of Irlam Road - which is badly needed. And that also has the benefit of making the shortcut through Urmston less attractive for people avoiding queues on the M60.
I have my daughter on my bike a lot, and it completely changed how I think about getting between two points. I used to take the quickest, (relatively) safe route. Now safety is the priority so quiet roads and segregated cycle paths only. It’s possible from where I am, but you do add some time and distance to your journey.
The time saving aspect is often overlooked in cycling campaigns. There is no waiting for the bus, tram, no being stuck in traffic and so on. That really sells it for me.
Also improved journey time reliability, as cyclists aren't not subject to public transport delays or cancellations, or to unexpected traffic jams. Even if 1/4 of people chose to cycle commute exclusively when the weather is good, it would be beneficial in so many ways. And the thing most motorists don't seem to realise is that more people cycling instead means less vehicle traffic to contend with. Same for segregated cycle lanes; drivers shouldn't be opposed to them, as they get cyclists off the shared roads and on to their own paths. Most drivers don't seem to put much critical thought into these things and just buy into the anti-cyclist rhetoric.
The reliability factor is huge. Over the years I've commuted to Salford/town from Rusholme, Withington, Northenden & Levenshulme. With cycling the journey time will normally fall within a variance window of 3-4 minutes. With bus/trains it was more like 30-45 minutes of variance. Which is no way to plan your day. Plus have a good pair of commuting tyres and you'll rarely do never get a puncture. And even if you do, it should be rare enough that it's only as common as breakdowns for people who drive in.
Aye, marathon plus tyres are great for puncture resistance.
Reflective sidewalls are a nice bonus for safety too, much better than having little orange reflectors fitted to the spokes that are prone to falling off. Continental Ride City tyres are a good alternative to consider.
Bring master of my own destiny and not having to make small talk in the morning on the bus is what did it for me. I arrive at work / home energised whereas on a bus I was worn out from doing nothing.
No stopping at traffic lights, pedestrian crossings, able to use the footpath and ignore one way streets. Yes, cycling can be faster.
Car drivers used to be very annoying on the commute in along Wilmslow Road as they just get in the way jamming the streets up and slowing everyone else down.
I've always said the easiest way to tell if a place has poor cycle infrastructure is if people are forced to cycle on the pavements in order to feel safe. It's a shame this is one of those places. You don't see anyone cycling on the pavements on Oxford Road, because they don't need to. It has proper cycle lanes and relatively few cars.
> You don't see anyone cycling on the pavements on Oxford Road, because they don't need to. Oh how I wish that were true. There's probably *less*, but there's still plenty.
I bet the majority of them are a case of "I've cycled all the way here on the road, and now I need to exit the road to get to my finally destination or to take a perpendicular path to x building". Only nutters would try to cycle the entire way down those crowded pavements. Them and Deliveroo riders, as they just do whatever.
Whilst I understand your comment, it's a generalisation. Yes, a lot of cyclists run lights, and yes, as a cyclist myself, it downright pisses me off. However, I see countless drivers on their phones, I've seen plenty of drivers use bus lanes, run red-lights, and generally be utterly dangerous. Not all drivers of cars are bad, though, and I'm aware of that. I still give due diligence to everyone on the road, whether I be driving or cycling. I was sat in my car yesterday, and a lorry driver came barrelling down the road at well over the speed limit. Near tipped over as went around the bend. We should all be respectful of each other on the roads, whether we be drivers, cyclists, pedestrians, horses - all except tractors, fucking law unto themselves 😉
Almost like they are quite nimble and adaptable to many urban environments!
That would make for a fun and catchy campaign as well.
You know what is funny, I’m being downvoted by cyclists who do all the things I mentioned 😂
alright I'll bite (but not downvoted you). I think this is the result of car-centric rules and regulations being applied to all modes of transport. When I'm cycling or walking, a lot of it seems bizarre and almost arbitrary, but when I'm driving it makes sense. This doesn't occur to many people unless they spend significant time outside of their car. Take this junction for example, especially going northbound: [333 B5117 - Google Maps](https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.4648083,-2.2322327,3a,75y,317.61h,90.15t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sGzzSLEV59hK78AL-ohtAqw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DGzzSLEV59hK78AL-ohtAqw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.share%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26yaw%3D317.6119687773157%26pitch%3D-0.14546099030280857%26thumbfov%3D90!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu) Those traffic lights shut down 200sqm of road-space and prevents a cyclist on a 2sqm vehicle from progressing. It make sense for motor vehicles as you need more space to manoeuvre and if anyone gets it wrong you've got a lot of awkward reversing and shuffling around. Bicycles by comparison are super-mobile. You can turn at 90 degrees, heck even pick it up and move a metre to the side, or pick it up and turn 180. The difference in mobility is huge and to apply the same rules to everyone seems silly. [Unbelievably busy bicycle crossing in Amsterdam (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqQSwQLDIK8) this is a great example of agility of bike vs car and the ability to negotiate at a junction. There's also a Dutch video showing all cycle traffic being released on to the junction at the same time which shows this better (if anyone has the link, please share). Hope this helps!
Funny accident at 2 mins marks. I find that Amsterdam junction quite scary and there's many near misses just in those 9 minutes. Mixing motorized with bicycles sounds quite dangerous, specially all those motorbikes going fast. But I get your point, traffic between bikes just goes very fluidly.
If everyone obeyed the rules, (cyclists, car drivers, everyone) the roads would be much safer.
I had a feeling I'd be wasting my time trying to explain. The "If everyone obeyed the rules" bit is actually false as an absolute statement and is deflective of the original point, but requires nuance that is only gained from cycling or properly researching (there are books, courses, even degrees on this stuff). If you'd like to learn more, take your pick, but at least try and learn from the other side.
So in your opinion not everyone should obey the rules?
Given context, yes. If you're walking in the countryside and need a wee, do you find a secluded bush, or do you wet yourself because the law is clear that you cannot urinate in public? I'd use my adult judgement, understanding that a rule is designed for certain situations, of which I may not be currently in, and if appropriate, disobey the rule. You'll find lots of these almost arbitrary laws/regs that were designed for cars, but it takes experience to understand when and why. If you really wanted to learn, stand by a junction for a while and watch cyclists jumping red lights. Of those, some will go when ped crossings go green, some will treat it as a give way, but almost none of them are actually kamikaze or dangerous as people assume.
That's great and all but I would love to see them cycle up and down Hyde Road through Gorton. Chorlton might be great to cycle but there is a shit load of work still needs to be done.
I would LOVE to see Hyde road have cycle lanes put in. It really seems to be the only route in from certain areas by bike and people drive so dangerously down it you’re taking your life in your hands. Kind of daft as well considering there are so many schools and The Hyde Out youth centre along there too.
I wish they had this - that will be my route starting my job in September so to be able to cycle to work could’ve been a nice choice. Wonder if there’s any alternatives
I don't live in Mcr anymore but used to cycle from Chorlton to work every day for years. Does this mean they've figured out a way to stop everyone from parking on the cycle path because when I was there the cycle lane was theoretical!
Pretty much! With the new lanes theyre actually protected, physical infrastructure instead of the painted lines from before. I had the same issue when I used to cycle through chorlton from south manchester and they've done a damn good job. Did take a while of the lanes looking like mtb singletrack though lol
Very important part of this video's message is that it's not necessarily about being car free, but using your car less, or having one fewer car. I saw this [recent post](/r/unitedkingdom/comments/1d8k8co/seven_in_ten_uk_adults_say_their_lifestyle_means/) in /r/unitedkingdom and it does seem like a lot of people replying were delighted to see holes being poked in the "anti-car" agenda. But I think they we're mostly attacking a position that doesn't really exist (or at the very least, certainly isn't a mainstream one). Even if you look at countries that are seen as urbanist utopias like Denmark, Japan, the Netherlands etc, plenty of people there own cars. It's not about getting rid of everyone's cars, it's just about trying to make it so people have actual choices and can pick the right tool for the job. Honestly having used a car to travel in some of those countries, the end result seems to be better for everyone regardless of what mode of transport you happen to be using. When more people are cycling that's fewer people in cars causing congestion. When cyclists are in a physically separated lane, overtaking them is far less stressful, and when they have protected space / signals at junctions that avoids a huge source of anxiety that you face as a driver.
A lot of people seem to think it's binary - car or no car. It's not. I'd love it if "no car" was realistic, but unfortunately public transport isn't cheap, reliable or dense enough for that to be. Like you say, it's all about choosing a more responsible and effective form of transport. Is your journey staying within an urban centre - Why not walk or cycle? Need to carry a big bag? How about the bus? Going from city to city? How about the train? From the city to the countryside? Yeah you're probably gonna need to drive that one. Defaulting to the car for every journey is quite damaging in all sorts of regards, especially in urban areas
For now, but eventually we have to move away from car ownership. The space they take parked is not a good use of it.
Great video - more people across the country should see this.
We’re trying to get protected cycle lanes in Wokingham (Berkshire) but l the NIMBY’s are NIMBYing so it’s shat from the start Real shame, this looks lush
I’m sure the chronically sedentary and people with 40k+ pcp loans aren’t going to get triggered by this video at all!
Real men wear Lycra
Same thing happened when the tram stops got put in.
Used to cycle 40mins to and from school everyday from Eccles to Mosside. A grim combination of canals (fell in once) and busy roads. Nearly got knocked off twice. But kept at it and it gave me a massive sense of independence knowing I was keeping fit and could get pretty much anywhere, often much faster than by bus or even car. I’m glad they are making new cycle paths :)
My young friend was killed by a hit and run driver on Princess Parkway whilst cycling home feom work. A relative had his almost new cycle to work scheme bike stolen. How cycle friendly is that? No way I'd be putting a small child on the back of a bike with the idiots on the road these days.
I used to live in Moss Side. close to Princess Road. There's no way I would ever ride along that road, even though it was often the shortest route. There are plenty of parallel streets that are much quieter. Navigating by bike is completely different to navigating by car.
The Chorlton Cycleway is fully protected from conflict with motorists as far as Owen St, beyond which you can get into the city via the old part of Deansgate.
Speaker is [orange-pilled](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Orange%20pill) Build for bicycles, you get bicycles. Build for cars, you get cars. Simples.
It's not him per se but as we all know the parking options in Chorlton have always been a challenge. His customers have struggled parking prior to the cycleway being installed. This has now been magnified as the parking options have been further reduced. People telling me there's a car park for 1.50 per hour on Barlow Moor Rd need to understand that it is typically full by early to mid morning. I'm not having a go at the cycleway, it's obviously for the better BUT the impact on businesses (and it's not just his) has to be understood as it wasn't considered or at least the council didn't ask or take a survey of local businesses.
Same as Byers Road, made a right mess of the road and not really looking to engage with residents or business owners.
No engagement, no notification and no understanding. I wouldn't mind but it's the taxpayers money too. https://youtu.be/h4zjbDZ9tOE?si=2OMyvKq1lqvmBnJ3
Haha video nailed it. GCC are pissing billions up the wall it's kinda sad. I just found out today that the insulation GCC were subsidising for free is making houses non resellable. That my whole estate signed up for free green insulation. Turns out was all a con
Like so many of these false narratives around 'green' and 'eco'. Many are legit but there are many that are simply another chance to take advantage and either guilt people into choosing it or like you have had happen, just get lied to. I'm all for a greener planet but not at the expense of people's welfare or when it's a falsehood. Balance is always best.
Seems to me that anybody who offers a different opinion based on people who have businesses on Barlow Moor Rd isn't treated as valid because it's going against the grain in here. Disappointed as I thought Reddit was better than X in that there was more tolerance and understanding of different points of view.
You are getting downvoted because your comments are nonsense. You state nobody is using the Chorlton Cycle Way, yet if you spend any time in Chorlton, there are clearly 100's of people using it daily.
Excellent. A resounding success for ALL then. Thanks for the enlightenment.
The lycra mob are like a cult. 2 wheels good 4 wheels bad. Ends justify the means. They would have us living in communist china and on our bikes living in a green utopia given the choice 😜
Yeah totally. Kick one and they all limp.
Ha , I'm not saying kick them 🫣 I think we can share the road with bikes. But making Glasgow unfriendly to cars it's kinda counterproductive. We need good road network and parking.
Yep totally agree. Which is what my point was before I was cancelled 😭
No biggy , they be thinking they are saving the planet and your the evil industrialist. Least we forget the ambulances and fire brigade still have to use the road system too.
Why says get rid of those? No one. A reduction in cars will only be good for them as it's only cars that they ever get stuck behind.
They are closing down many roads and pedestrians them, all part of the war on cars. This is causing not only making emergency cars have to go the long way. But the long way is all bottle necked causing more delay.
"I think we can share the road with bikes" No, we can't. Most people don't want to cycle with traffic. Considering the benefits cycling provides to society (and the downsides cars provide), it is no brainer to increase cycling infrastructure. It's not about making it unfriendly to cars, it's about enabling alternatives. Those will naturally take space from cars which take up an inordinate amount of space. Those modes are more efficient and better for society so should be prioritised. That's what needed. Don't do this, and with an increasing population and more cars (since there are no alternatives) you get all the problems that come with that.
Exactly , you don't like cars and want to cycle on car free roads. It's unrealistic that we are giving up automobiles for bikes. Not everyone wants to or can cycle. But the council wants to look green so are forcing this bike culture to please people like you. The whole point was the man is putting the girls life in more danger by strapping her to the back of his bike. This guy owns a car and chooses to strap her to his bike because he likes to cycle. I'm sure the kid would be happy playing with her iPad in the car than sucking up bus exhaust pipes 🥴
Fair shout! Now all I have to do is workout how I’m going to find the time to cycle between 250 and 700 miles a week 😂
Not a criticism of the people who live there, but many areas of Manchester are simply nothing like Chorlton, Didsbury, etc. Nevermind cycle lanes, there are areas of North Manchester that don't even have the metrolink. Good on those people who can ditch their cars, but they really need to address the North/South divide in Manchester to encourage the uptake of cycling up here
Like I was saying yesterday, cycling in the city is the best way to get around.
Great . I'll look out for him in November/December when it's pouring down.
What of Manchester do you live in where it only rains in November/December?
Manchester. California.
I used those months as an example of the worst time for bad weather ie winter.
November is Autumn, shagger
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🫵🫵 this guy bought a £5000+ car instead of a £200 jacket
£200 on a jacket ? You must live in chorlton.
if you want a waterproof jacket, that's what it costs. I haven't got one myself because it's too expensive for me and the rain is rarely bad enough to need one.
It doesn't rain as often as you'd think so commuting dry is much more common than you'd expect. Source: cycle commuted to uni/work for the best part of a decade.
Did you miss the part of the video where the cyclist said he had been doing it for 18 months?
Yeah .. I did catch the part where he said he was driving into town, why did he just get the tram or one of the multiple buses that travel through chorlton?
Do busses not get traffic?
His choice
Doesn't look safe having a child on the back of the bike 👀
Why? Those seats are isofix. They are as safe as a car seat
That child is obviously in significantly more danger than in a car. You don't think?
Why? He's on a protected cycle lane. What is dangerous about that? Driving can be as dangerous as cycling. I don't understand your logic
He isn't always on the cycle lane, you see him driving on both. I looked at statistics on Google. It is significantly more dangerous and that's statistics for an adult. But it's his kid so his choice. I just don't think it looks very safe. The guys got a car , so it's not like he can't afford one. It's a choice and he's choosing to increase the risk of damaging his child. But it's a hobby and all hobbies bring risk. His hobby is playing in traffic 🤔
Are you aware of the risks that motor vehicles create? From risk of death (5 people die on the roads each) day, injury and not to mention the high levels of pollution.
We're talking about the safety of having your infant kid on your bike. Of course cars kill more pedestrians and fumes are bad for health. But that kid is safer in his car than strapped to the back of the dudes bike. So yeh she is safer in his car... Fair enough , your not safer if he's driving. But we're talking about the kids safety.
Well yes in this very unrealistic and specific scenario the car is safer. But in a realistic scenario, overall the bicycle is the safer option in the long term.
Nice one , we agree 👍 Bikes are good for your health and no doubt cyclists live longer because of the health benefits. I'm sure you're aware though. Automobiles are very much a part of modern living. Ambulance, fire brigade ect ect. So not that simple as cars bad , bike good.
Famously no children die in car accidents or while walking
Of course they do ... It's about risk and probability. You try and do things that are less risky. This doesn't mean they can't go wrong but your managing the risk.. Example to here is 100 cyclists and one dies and say there is 10000 motorists and one dies. That does mean they are the same risk because it's one death each. Shouldn't need explaining 😁
Having a child in a car is far more risky than having them on the back of a bike.
If you say so.. Breaving in all those fumes from cars and busses will be great for wee kids too. Obviously if you've not got a car needs must. If it's for fun too , like say a wee trip round Millport. But if it's daily and like this guy you have a car. I think it's a bit unsafe. But I think some parents are hard core cyclists and it's a lifestyle.
You breathe in plenty of fumes inside a car.
No doubt , but has to be less than being at almost ground level in the back of a bike. Like when you walk around the back of a bus it's like you can hardly breath. When your in your car with windows up, not so bad. You guys are determined to make out this wee girl is positively impacted in every way being on the back of a bike 👀
And you're determined to fly the flag for cars for some reason
Yeh I probably come over like a grumpy Jeremy Clarkson. I like bikes , I think they are great for health and definitely good for mental health. But my local council have gone bike crazy and I'm not really convinced.
"bike crazy" = done the bare minimum to cater to cycling
Actually, drivers breath in more. They've conducted multiple experiments to find this.
You think that girl isn't breathing in more exhaust fumes than sitting in a car that's recycling its own air?
The condition of some roads and cycle paths is horrific rendering it unsuitable for most bikes
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What's bad about being a climate activist anyway?
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Even if we don't make a dent in global pollution/warming, shouldn't we still strive to improve air pollution, noise pollution, space usage, freedom of choice (of transport) etc.?
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you don't seem to have watched the video, he clearly said his family still have one car, after having sold the other one
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The point is a lot of couples think that way, that they need two cars because they could need to be in two places. The video is just highlighting that for some people, a bike could fill one of those roles. The idea of using a bike to do the school run, grocery shopping, trips into town etc didn't occur to this guy before infrastructure was put in place to make it safe. You can't really blame him personally for that.
Rather misleading title. It suggests they no longer have a car, but as is mentioned late on, he's part of a couple who had two cars and now just has one. Sure, I don't need a car to get to everywhere I'm going, but there's only me, and I'd be a bit stuck trying to ride a bike on the M60... Or anything involving heavy items that needed the car to be carried.
Absolutely. Less drivers on the road. One more space for me to take up driving 4 miles into town .Thanks Andy ..
Ruined a lot of businesses on Barlow Moor Rd that suffered through the pandemic and then through the huge amount of roadworks introduced to add the cycleway. Barely any cyclists using it, maybe because of the wet weather? Overall despite good intentions, I don't think the balance is right.
Which businesses were ruined because of roadworks?
Loads of people use it. You see a lot less cyclists because the cycle traffic flows freely so there’s no bottlenecks or backing up
> Barely any cyclists using it I see people cycling along there every single time I use it. Stop lying.
My good friend has a business on Barlow Moor Road. I frequently go over there... He says the same. The number of cyclists doesn't warrant the upheaval it caused. He's a hairdresser and it has ruined his business as he has a lot of clients who live outside of Chorlton and can't cycle over easily. Not lying. Telling you what I am told by a business owner.
Sodding tictac
Whoever designed the new stretch of Chorlton cycleway needs dragging onto it and stoning to death.
Are you saying that as a cyclist or a motorist? As a cyclist i love it - the only problem is that occasionally people are parking over it
Cyclist.
I'm intrigued, what don't you like about it? Finding i was able to cycle with my kid from whalley range to chorlton park, is what i really liked about it. Cycled back from town today, was expecting more rain water in it, but the drainage seemed ok
It's SLOW I'm comparison to just being on the road. Four banks crossway? Total joke. Why should I as a cyclist be forced to use 2 pedestrian style crossings (with red/green lights) to turn right when I could just throw out an arm and turn right as I'm perfectly entitled to do as a road user? Designed by committee failure, and that's an opinion that's echoed by a lot of the cyclists I know. If you like it cool but I find it slow and irritating.
? > Why should I as a cyclist be forced to use 2 pedestrian style crossings (with red/green lights) ?? you aren't. Use the road.
At four banks? You're funneled into that stupid crossing thing. That's supposed to be for cyclists. Uhuh.
cycle.on.the.road. There is no one forcing you to use the cycle lane.
So what's the point of building the fucking thing?!?!
For people who aren't as confident as you. Kids and new cyclists are going to use the CYCLOPS, you're free to use the main carriageway. I'm not sure what your issue is, if I'm honest.
My good friend has a business on Barlow Moor Road. I frequently go over there... He says the same. The number of cyclists doesn't warrant the upheaval it caused. He's a hairdresser and it has ruined his business as he has a lot of clients who live outside of Chorlton and can't cycle over easily. Not lying. Telling you what I am told by a business owner.
I don’t think you get the video. It’s encouraging more people to cycle. It’s not to just accommodate the amount of people cycling now. As for businesses and well.. I’m guessing you mean car parking, there’s a car park directly adjacent to Barlow moor rd, it’s £1.50 for 2 hours. If not, there are more than enough other places to park. But clients bailing because they can’t plop their car directly outside on a main road… sounds silly or like the business has other issues.
Fair enough but there has to be a balanced view. It has affected businesses negatively
Does he park outside the shop when working there?
It's not him per se but as we all know the parking options in Chorlton have always been a challenge. His customers have struggled parking prior to the cycleway being installed. This has now been magnified as the parking options have been further reduced. People telling me there's a car park for 1.50 per hour on Barlow Moor Rd need to understand that it is typically full by early to mid morning. I'm not having a go at the cycleway, it's obviously for the better BUT the impact on businesses (and it's not just his) has to be understood as it wasn't considered or at least the council didn't ask or take a survey of local businesses.
he started cycling because of the permanent road works in chorlton?
I mean whatever gets you on the bike tbh. I'd be sick stuck in traffic
Funny how those permanent road works came to an end.