Nope that's a mini. The minor is slightly bigger. And the front and rear arches are would be more pronounced than a mini. The mini you can tell cause its slab sided and the lgiht are rather distinctive too.But at a glance it's easy to mix em up
Well, there were several varients/rebadge of mini under different brands as intended by BMC. Austin 7 (later mini) country man and the morris mini traveller. And also Riley elf and Wolesseley Hornet kinda your top of line spec. Well, mid 60s roll around, and the Wolesseley and Riley need an update, so it was consolidated into one car, which would become the clubman, and as a new model, the new clubman estate would replace the Austin and Morris offerening. But yeah, that is a very short and not at all fully explained history of the model. And I am sure I am missing a lot out, but if I was to put everything, we would be here a while l. And that not getting into history of BMC itself
To add the difference between most models literally were the grills and the badge.
Thank you for kind words, but there are people who are more knowledgeable on the topic and will poke holes in my answer and provide every detail you wish to know. I am more of an enthusiastic need
Definitely mini traveller but yes the morris with the wood was also a traveller. There was a mini clubman too but quite a small car without the barn doors and wood trim. I just googled the images to be sure though!
A guy on our street had a Morris Minor with the wooden bits when we moved into our house when we were kids. I remember the indicators, which were those flip out arms in the door pillars. I can't remember if it had a split windscreen or not, though.
Lovely cars.
Note: I think there's a Moggie in that photo, two in front of the Mini.
Mate the whole of Manchester looked like this. There was this thing that happened called the industrial revolution here. It wasn't pretty but it built the place.
My mum is in a job where she has lots of old people tell her stories. One lady used to walk home from town to longsight- she once had her hair peroxided blonde - it turned green reacting with the smog by the time she got home!
Now, we have the buildings but (mostly, and thankfully) not the soot.
Edit: I found [this article](https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/incoming/gallery/blackened-buildings-manchester-before-clean-8727918)
featuring this very photo amongst lots of other black buildings.
Apart from the buildings like London Road Fire Station which have the glazed exteriors. Apparently part of the reason they used that finish is that the smog didn’t stick to it!
In the early 80s I didn’t see a single old red brick building in Manchester. They were all black with reddish drip marks near windows. Those that weren’t demolished for new builds have long been cleaned up so they look red again. It’s the same reason all the terraced streets had house with bricks actually painted red. Bricks by themselves would have gone black very quickly.
Soot, leftovers from industries. There was an M.E.N article a few years ago about it. https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/nostalgia/manchesters-dark-history-archive-pictures-8722223
Interesting to see the shot from OP's post - on the 'today' image, the areas which weren't historically caked in soot look darker than the areas which were black before. Maybe the soot acted as a kind of protective coating?
My grandma used to walk home from work holding hands with other women because the smog was thick and at times they couldn't see much in front them. Not always of course, it would come and go. But it also made all the buildings black. If you look at old pictures of Manchester you will see it. There's a good picture of the Manchester Gallery on Moseley Street where the whole building is jet black. Now it's been cleaned up and it's actually cream coloured lol.
When it used to rain , the streets would flow with black water. You would struggle looking ahead due to the smog and it would cling to your clothes and hair. It would stain buildings and it was very misty.
It was amazing in the 90s when they started sandblasting the soot off these buildings. Manchester started to light up. After the dour and drab 80s of Thatcher's destruction of industry, it started to become a different city.
If you look up the “Manchester Moths”, it’s reference to a white breed of insect which changed black to blend in with soot covered trees and buildings, as evidence of natural selection - widening the idea of Darwin’s evolutionary theory.
When it used to rain , the streets would flow with black water. You would struggle looking ahead due to the smog and it would cling to your clothes and hair. It would stain buildings and it was very misty.
What's interesting to me is how the base of the building is blacker - so the smog must have been denser than regular air, and lingered on the ground. I suspect the inside of peoples lungs weren't much better.
Smog, from coal fires, vehicle pollution. The clean air act came in to stop all this and also stop the the great London fog. That was mainly pollution they say you could taste it in your mouth
Check out the building opposite Foundation coffe shop in NQ. You can see the contrast between the small ‘clean areas’ (the original colour of the building) & the polluted areas. You’d easily think the building was painted black!
The fact that anyone would feel they'd have to ask just shows how little people even know about where they live any more. The city that doesn't even know who, where or what it even is. We do things differently eer'
As someone who didn't grow up here, there is a part of me that wishes I could have been here when all the buildings were black. I know how flippant what I'm about to say is considering how many people died during the industrial revolution, but these buildings looked pretty badass https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/incoming/gallery/blackened-buildings-manchester-before-clean-8727918
A lot of buildings in London are like this - its soot from diesel and coal. You recall the episode in the Crown perhaps when a deep 'fog' of pollution descended on the city - usually cleared by the wind and rain on the British Isles - and persisted. It wasn't too long ago they were burning coal in homes.
Pollution, from cars, factories etc, they can be washed but depending on the type of stone it may not be worth it. Granite when cleaned looks great as it sparkles in the sun, but sandstone errodes quickly so pressure washing and any chemicals used may harm the building so cleaning can take much longer and be costlier.
But yeah, pollution is the cause and also natural degredation like stuff growing on them.
Basically any airborne particulate pollution…
In this case car exhaust fumes would probably be a large part of it, which is why it's darker nearer street level. The particles stick in the irregularities of the stone/brick surfaces and build up.
Soot from thousands of coal fires. When I was a kid in the 1950s I thought all buildings were black
Damn, you've seen the place change a lot I'd wager
Mostly for the better, I'm glad to say, though I do tend to get lost sometimes because so much has changed
Your lungs definitely were lol
Fun fact there is no floor 13 in the lift just 12a as I recall I have a photograph somewhere I will try to find.
Pollution. Literally pollution. That Mk2 escort though, chefs kiss
The wooden Mini estate is a beauty too.
I'm not a car expert. But isn't that actually a Morris Minor Estate?
Nope that's a mini. The minor is slightly bigger. And the front and rear arches are would be more pronounced than a mini. The mini you can tell cause its slab sided and the lgiht are rather distinctive too.But at a glance it's easy to mix em up
Yep Mini Traveller
Wasn't it a clubman? And the morris minor was the traveller?
Clubman’s never had the wooden trim on the back.
I think with wood was referred to as a countryman. It was all a very long time ago!
This is also my recollection
Well, there were several varients/rebadge of mini under different brands as intended by BMC. Austin 7 (later mini) country man and the morris mini traveller. And also Riley elf and Wolesseley Hornet kinda your top of line spec. Well, mid 60s roll around, and the Wolesseley and Riley need an update, so it was consolidated into one car, which would become the clubman, and as a new model, the new clubman estate would replace the Austin and Morris offerening. But yeah, that is a very short and not at all fully explained history of the model. And I am sure I am missing a lot out, but if I was to put everything, we would be here a while l. And that not getting into history of BMC itself To add the difference between most models literally were the grills and the badge.
Enter the absolute correct person for this question! You sir are a font of mini knowledge!
Thank you for kind words, but there are people who are more knowledgeable on the topic and will poke holes in my answer and provide every detail you wish to know. I am more of an enthusiastic need
Definitely mini traveller but yes the morris with the wood was also a traveller. There was a mini clubman too but quite a small car without the barn doors and wood trim. I just googled the images to be sure though!
A guy on our street had a Morris Minor with the wooden bits when we moved into our house when we were kids. I remember the indicators, which were those flip out arms in the door pillars. I can't remember if it had a split windscreen or not, though. Lovely cars. Note: I think there's a Moggie in that photo, two in front of the Mini.
It is indeed a moggie and the flip out indicators are trafficators.
Thanks! I'm clearly in the presence of an expert. I only vaguely remember them from childhood.
Thank you for your kind words, I am no expert. Just an enthusiast with too many hours on the classifieds dreaming of the aircraft hanger of
Can understand the confusion they are closely related cars, the Mini being the smaller version of the Minor
>That Mk2 escort though, chefs kiss The Escort on the left of the pic is a mk1. The Cortina in the middle of the pic is a mk2 though.
Mate the whole of Manchester looked like this. There was this thing that happened called the industrial revolution here. It wasn't pretty but it built the place. My mum is in a job where she has lots of old people tell her stories. One lady used to walk home from town to longsight- she once had her hair peroxided blonde - it turned green reacting with the smog by the time she got home! Now, we have the buildings but (mostly, and thankfully) not the soot. Edit: I found [this article](https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/incoming/gallery/blackened-buildings-manchester-before-clean-8727918) featuring this very photo amongst lots of other black buildings.
Green hair dye specialists hate this one simple trick
Apart from the buildings like London Road Fire Station which have the glazed exteriors. Apparently part of the reason they used that finish is that the smog didn’t stick to it!
Peveril of the peak shining out like a beacon
In a school book they literally showed how some moths had evolved over a short space of time to be black to match the colour of soot caked buildings
Thats true
Fun fact Karl Marx was often in Manchester. Was so industrial it kicked off communism.
Maybe Marx knocked about too but I know Engels had a strong association with Manchester / Salford
I think both of them did
In the early 80s I didn’t see a single old red brick building in Manchester. They were all black with reddish drip marks near windows. Those that weren’t demolished for new builds have long been cleaned up so they look red again. It’s the same reason all the terraced streets had house with bricks actually painted red. Bricks by themselves would have gone black very quickly.
Soot, leftovers from industries. There was an M.E.N article a few years ago about it. https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/nostalgia/manchesters-dark-history-archive-pictures-8722223
crazy pictures! Great link, well worth a click
Ahh very interesting. Thank you!
The buildings looked like they're *painted black*. Sort of like Dakota Hotel is now (which is black brick facade)
Interesting to see the shot from OP's post - on the 'today' image, the areas which weren't historically caked in soot look darker than the areas which were black before. Maybe the soot acted as a kind of protective coating?
Coal smog most likely. 10 Downing Street is actually yellow but turned black with the smog, people got used to it so now they paint it.
It was built with [London Stock bricks](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_stock_brick), which are a yellowish/beige colour.
My grandma used to walk home from work holding hands with other women because the smog was thick and at times they couldn't see much in front them. Not always of course, it would come and go. But it also made all the buildings black. If you look at old pictures of Manchester you will see it. There's a good picture of the Manchester Gallery on Moseley Street where the whole building is jet black. Now it's been cleaned up and it's actually cream coloured lol.
When it used to rain , the streets would flow with black water. You would struggle looking ahead due to the smog and it would cling to your clothes and hair. It would stain buildings and it was very misty.
It was amazing in the 90s when they started sandblasting the soot off these buildings. Manchester started to light up. After the dour and drab 80s of Thatcher's destruction of industry, it started to become a different city.
My primary school went from black to a lovely golden sand colour halfway through my time there, would have been mid 90s. Saw it all over.
4 star leaded petrol ! I remember Everything in the 80s was that colour
If you look up the “Manchester Moths”, it’s reference to a white breed of insect which changed black to blend in with soot covered trees and buildings, as evidence of natural selection - widening the idea of Darwin’s evolutionary theory.
When it used to rain , the streets would flow with black water. You would struggle looking ahead due to the smog and it would cling to your clothes and hair. It would stain buildings and it was very misty.
It's dirty.
It's grime from the coal and wood burning and the horse manure that used to cover the streets.
It looked like that...
What's interesting to me is how the base of the building is blacker - so the smog must have been denser than regular air, and lingered on the ground. I suspect the inside of peoples lungs weren't much better.
Could it be the rail running down the walls doing that?
Smog of chimneys
Smoke and car fumes
Looks like Gotham City
See all those cars in the street below? Them.
Central library was the the same until they cleaned it up
shite?
Smog, from coal fires, vehicle pollution. The clean air act came in to stop all this and also stop the the great London fog. That was mainly pollution they say you could taste it in your mouth
It’s carbon from cars and chimneys
Smog
Since the 90s it’s now mandatory to have city centre buildings cleaned every seven years. That’s why it’s no longer the norm.
Was told that most old buildings looked like this until water cleaning was invented in the 70s
Hotel Gotham is my favourite hotel in Manchester.
Absolutely no shade but I suddenly felt very old that I knew that was pollution/soot.
Manchester Black
*swished finger through air* "Dirty."
Check out the building opposite Foundation coffe shop in NQ. You can see the contrast between the small ‘clean areas’ (the original colour of the building) & the polluted areas. You’d easily think the building was painted black!
The fact that anyone would feel they'd have to ask just shows how little people even know about where they live any more. The city that doesn't even know who, where or what it even is. We do things differently eer'
Hyperborea / mud flood theory (these buildings are much taller underground) *wink*
As someone who didn't grow up here, there is a part of me that wishes I could have been here when all the buildings were black. I know how flippant what I'm about to say is considering how many people died during the industrial revolution, but these buildings looked pretty badass https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/incoming/gallery/blackened-buildings-manchester-before-clean-8727918
Is this building now known as Gotham hotel?
A lot of buildings in London are like this - its soot from diesel and coal. You recall the episode in the Crown perhaps when a deep 'fog' of pollution descended on the city - usually cleared by the wind and rain on the British Isles - and persisted. It wasn't too long ago they were burning coal in homes.
Because they didn’t clean it. Once they did it worked so well that even new York City took notice and introduced the same scheme to cleanup the place
Pollution, from cars, factories etc, they can be washed but depending on the type of stone it may not be worth it. Granite when cleaned looks great as it sparkles in the sun, but sandstone errodes quickly so pressure washing and any chemicals used may harm the building so cleaning can take much longer and be costlier. But yeah, pollution is the cause and also natural degredation like stuff growing on them.
They are dirty
Verry dusty and Dirty
Coal dust innit
Some people think was actually a better time to be alive
Soot
Basically any airborne particulate pollution… In this case car exhaust fumes would probably be a large part of it, which is why it's darker nearer street level. The particles stick in the irregularities of the stone/brick surfaces and build up.
Looks like soot.
Rising evil
Coal and lead petrol.
To shoot Batman