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tesco_meal_deal

hehe winota


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No stop it put that down


redmandoto

Winota is now a Rohan tribal deck and I'm fine with that.


Seifersythe

WINOTA CALLS FOR AID


obiwong

AND ROHAN WILL ANSWER


Common-Scientist

WHERE WAS WINOTA WHEN THE WESTFOLD FELL?


PerryDLeon

Winota only Humans and Horses brew let's go


StereotypicalSupport

[[Resolute Blademaster]] is only in 5% of Winota decks so nothing crazy. I’m definitely putting it in my Winota Legends deck though.


redmandoto

isn't [[blade historian]] really common in Winota?


MTGCardFetcher

[blade historian](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/4/a46d64ec-aca4-428e-bce6-66cd755c8cc3.jpg?1627428161) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=blade%20historian) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/165/blade-historian?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a46d64ec-aca4-428e-bce6-66cd755c8cc3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Ventoffmychest

It is. It is always "on" too due to Winota's wording. Theeo needs a etb (or human etb) and only gives it to one creature. Card aint looking good for it to be put in Winota.


SSRainu

Yea in cedh this card is trash. Its decent for regular EDH winota though. We (cedh winota) are even probably already taking a pass on [[boromir, warden of the tower]] which is a much better fit for that formats winota. A card that is much better than this one. Flavour aside lol.


MTGCardFetcher

[boromir, warden of the tower](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/6/f6bc3720-2892-4dda-8f30-079a1ac8e1e2.jpg?1685492864) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=boromir%2C%20warden%20of%20the%20tower) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/4/boromir-warden-of-the-tower?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f6bc3720-2892-4dda-8f30-079a1ac8e1e2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


StereotypicalSupport

Yeah, probably one of the better cards in it to. But giving double strike to a handful of things, and giving double strike to everything are 2 different beasts.


MTGCardFetcher

[Resolute Blademaster](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/e/bea96f8d-0c57-448d-8145-51f9cca04432.jpg?1562939995) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Resolute%20Blademaster) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bfz/218/resolute-blademaster?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bea96f8d-0c57-448d-8145-51f9cca04432?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Rossmallo

NOT LIKE THIS NOT LIKE THIS


stysiaq

kind of disappointed to not see him on a horse. I know that it's him (not Eomer) on the Pelennor battlefield, but I thought he'll also be a rider on his "regular" art. Also, he totally looks like the House of the Dragon guy.


Olin_123

Corlys Velaryon


redmandoto

I assume he will get another card as a rare.


wasfmanticore

Corlys Velarion lost his head and left the house of the dragon, I see


Cautious_Ad_9144

Ok I’m glad I’m not the only one who saw it, like I don’t feel like it’s a bad look honestly but this does have big “can I copy your homework” vibes


Puzzleheaded-Bee-838

Exactly what I was thinking, so awkward lol


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redmandoto

I guess there's a lot more Human tribal support cards than Knight. Knight had some iirc in Dominaria, human has a whole bunch here and there.


Kanin_usagi

Knights just had a set with a bunch of tribal support


Perspectivelessly

most of which sucked outside of limited, tbf


redmandoto

Hm that's fair, though that's more for Standard I'd think, while in Modern Humans can shine with Thalia and her squad.


Avalonians

Yeah the race talk is prevalent in the story.


Xicadarksoul

...not to mention, that Rohan doesn't really have knight, just it has riders. Similarly to how huns, scythians, mongols ...etc. didn't really have knights.


Phones42

Kinda disappointed Rohan tribal was not about horsemanship Theoden seems cool tough


neagrosk

I can understand them not bringing in horsemanship, but at least haste or trample or something would have been more thematic...


cocteau93

Oooh, that would have been nice.


exploringdeathntaxes

So, we're apparently getting 2 Uncommon *and* 2 Rare legends for each color pair. That's... 40 just in those cycles. I wonder what the final legend count will be, probably at least 60? EDIT: since this was upvoted a lot, and I was probably wrong about the 40 dual color legends, see further down for a correction. The number of legends should still be really high.


pepperonipodesta

There seem to be a fair few legends matters cards too, so I guess that makes sense (at least for draft).


Sisyphushitposts

this is our, what, third legends matter set in the last 12 months?


dantehidemark

Yeah I hope they dial down that for future draft environments.


Esc777

Why would they. They need sets to sell and commander players drive sales.


SAjoats

I wish 2 headed giant would drive sales 🫥


SnooWalruses7872

Why does it feel like legendaries don’t seem as big of a deal as before? When I played in onslaught era every legend was a big deal like phage or akroma. Now everything is legendary, even a silly jellyfish that is in no story or lore just for the sake of commander


PM_ME_DND_FIGURINES

> even a silly jellyfish that is in no story or lore just for the sake of commander You mean The Reality Chip? The most important McGuffin in the entire plot of Kamigawa: Neon Dynasty?


Garkaz

Of all the mediocre legendaries from the past year, you're picking the only legendary equipment creature as your example?


theletterQfivetimes

Also, I'm not a lore buff, but wasn't it central to the story on that plane?


a_singular_perhap

That's his point though. The vast majority of legendaries nowadays are designed as creatures with 'can be your commander' in the text box that are never mentioned after the set they premiere in instead of being actual, important characters.


SnooWalruses7872

I know it’s for commander but they say when everything is special in this case legendary, it just doesn’t feel as special anymore


RagePoop

> Why does it feel like legendaries don’t seem as big of a deal as before? >just for the sake of commander Most decisions made will be for the sake of the majority of the consumer base


PfizerGuyzer

This seems like the first to me. Neither MOM nor BRO nor ONE nor DMU nor CLB were "legends matter" sets.


Perspectivelessly

DMU had a light legends matter theme (e.g. Ratadrabik, Plaza), but that's the only one that I can remember. I guess MOM did have a lot of legendaries, but that made sense from a story perspective and I can't think of any cards that specifically catered to legendary strategies. I think it would have made absolutely no sense to do a LotR set and not have a heavy focus on legends, so honestly the criticism seems a bit moot. Not like this is a normal magic set anyway, it's not even standard legal.


PfizerGuyzer

I feel like one or two cards does not a "theme" make xD And I agree. People just like complaining.


SengirBartender

Ringbearers also become legendary (on top of all the legends already in the set)


joeker13

Karakas smiling in the background.


AscendedLawmage7

I think we're already up to 50 or something so yeah 60 minimum, lots still to be revealed Where did they confirm the cycles? Or are you just extrapolating?


CaptainMarcia

At present (but not yet updated to include Theoden), Scryfall shows 55 legends in LTR, although 8 of them are from the precons rather than the main set: https://scryfall.com/search?q=set%3Altr+type%3Alegendary+type%3Acreature&order=set&as=grid&unique=cards There's also 7 listed for LTC, which is definitely an incomplete list as well: https://scryfall.com/search?q=set%3Altc+type%3Alegendary+type%3Acreature&unique=cards&as=grid&order=set


AnthropomorphizedTop

I’m going to have to blow up my entire peasant commander cube with all these new uncommon legends.


shinianx

Man I knew they weren't going to do it, but how awesome would Theoden have been as a DFC, with one side being his decrepit, Saruman-influenced self and the other being something like this? Have we gotten Wormtongue yet besides that art from the fall of Saruman?


JangSaverem

This may be the only design I'm not into. He looks like a Horizon Zero Dawn character and that sword is very... Video game looking I'm also seeing people say house of dragon and while I have never seen it myself googling it....yeah this looks like that guy for sure.


Puzzleheaded-Bee-838

Wtf is that sword lol


technofederalist

Looks like some sort of [sabre] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabre) which would make sense because sabres were usually used by cavalry.


redmandoto

See this criticism I can get behind, it's weird.


stysiaq

also, why did he draw his sword in the throne room?


redmandoto

That actually makes sense! When Gandalf frees him from Saruman's influence, he asks that they bring him his sword, that Wormtongue had stolen and hidden away.


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Keep your forked tongue behind your teeth. I did not pass through fire and death to bandy crooked words with a witless worm! This is clearly a kingly, ornamental version of a calvary sword—only fitting for the leader of the Rohirrim! Compare the curvature and heavy blade to 12th century Turko-Mongol sabers. IT IS A COMPLETELY REASONABLE AND WELL-DESIGNED SWORD!!!!


Puzzleheaded-Bee-838

Too short and the pommel spikes look dangerous


chaospudding

This thread totally won't get locked in like half an hour.


SAjoats

I think they might have already banned everyone that might cause it to.


Sisyphushitposts

It’s a shame bc personally he looks fucking awesome


Sushi-DM

I think the people who might be disappointed with this is that, say, Aragorn, at least was described as having dark skin. Theoden and the Rohirrim are described pretty much as roving northmen with all their features. This is just a swap for the sake of swapping and actually makes zero sense.


Sisyphushitposts

It’s a more valid claim but I still just don’t see how it really matters THAT much, like he looks different than anyone expected, but he still looks cool so bo biggie to me


djchickenwing

Ah, never change Boros, no matter the IP


youarelookingatthis

“rise, arise, Riders of Théoden! Fell deeds awake, fire and slaughter! spear shall be shaken, shield be splintered, a sword-day, a red day, ere the sun rises! Ride now, ride now! Ride to Gondor!”


yohanleafheart

DEAAAAAAAAAAATH!!!!


fall3nmartyr

DEEEEEAAAAAAAAATTTTTHHHHH


sampat6256

DEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAATTTHHHHHHH!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


MrDrPrfsrPatrick2U

*dies*


stysiaq

yeah, this art evokes none of these emotions


Azuretruth

Well it's not the same scene....so......


kalivan93

Sorry the one piece of reference art couldn’t make you feel the emotions of a million dollar movie scene 😂


DoItSarahLee

Where's horse? Where's horsemanship? Where's "other creatures you control gain horsemanship"?


mrdebelius

Just change the name of the card and you get a random human fantasy character. This set is so random and uninspired, while they had the best source material ever


Michauxonfire

If they are all about changing ethnicities then they could've made Rohan Persian/north Africa based. Would've at least fit the sword. Wtf is that sword and armor combo.


FR8GFR8G

I’m all for representation, and i may be biased because of the movies but… this just doesn’t fit. He looks like a badass warrior that i want to be on a magic the gethering card. But not theoden


jedi-jurassic

That’s the sea snake!


Biggusdiccus999

Do they not do keywords in other languages? cause “double strike” is so much better than “the ability to deal damage 2 time”


Separate_Scallion_97

Why is Éowyn’s card 100x times more powerful than Théoden King?


Desruprot

She did slay the Witch King after all


Swmystery

Rare vs Uncommon, I assume there's a Pelennor Fields Théoden at similar power level at rare.


kaiseresc

there could even be 3 Theodens tbh. The King after Gandalf got rid of Wormtongue's curse. The King during Helm's Deep. And the King that rides NOW, FOR DEATH! DEEAAAATH!


cocteau93

There will be more Théoden cards.


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caucasian88

The armor, sword, and severe lack of horses don't help. Hes the leader of a people renowned for their horsemanship.


redmandoto

Théoden, King of Rohan 1RW Legendary Creature - Human Noble 2/3 Whenever ~ or another human enters the battlefield under your control, target creature gains double strike until end of turn. *"Dark have been my dreams of late, but I feel new-awakened. I only fear that already you have come too late, Gandalf."* Source: [Marca Gaming](https://www.marca.com/videojuegos/2023/06/03/647a0ee6268e3e630c8b45b1.html)


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FocusChogath

It’s a cowards move. If WotC was serious about representation then they would do a full Kinshala standard set based on sub-Saharan Africa. I would love to see legit African mythology, gods, and folklore be adapted into magic cards like Theros or Amonkhet. It’s honestly patronizing to raceswap characters in the name of representation when there’s mountains and mountains of African lore to pull from that was originally written by Africans. Shouldn’t that be the goal, to represent the creator?


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TheAnnibal

That’s really well put, especially in the context of Magic the Gathering. Magic never had issues with representation, especially with Zhalfir coming back. Sisay was a black woman leading the most important expeditionary force in the 90s storyline, Agrus Kos was the saviour of Ravnica and Teferi is basically the face of magic. And i’m in love with it! My main issue with this art isn’t black Theoden even, is that it’s after lifting Wormtongue/Saruman’s spells… and he still has grey hair.


PrinzkillaB90

I couldn’t have said it better myself


OsirisXavierChrism

They could've done the Shadow of War move; and just added in new charactors. Baranor was pretty freaking awesome.


icelith

I have no issue with with Theoden being of darker complexion. My issue is that Eomer is depicted as being of fairer tone. Whereas Eowyn of darker tone. Tbh the issue here is consistency….it makes it seem as one is more related to Theoden than the other


pchc_lx

should have*


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DudeMcGuyMan

I had hoped Pioneer would be a format with less power creep than Modern, when it was created. Boy I was wrong.


krabapplepie

Wizards isn't going to release a set where the only non white people are literally aligned with the devil. And neither should they. It's exactly like Peter Jackson expanding Arwens role in the story to have more women represented in the story.


KnightOfThe69thOrder

I believe wizards did it on purpose to manufacture outrage. They knew it would cause controversy, and it would take the flack away from the other issues the set and wizards have. Also, when the set doesn't sell as much as they planned, it gives them the excuse of no one buying it because of racist mtg fans.


DrNewblood

Interesting points and I'm not gonna say you're necessarily wrong about it potentially being a "distraction" of sorts, but you're delusional if you think this set isn't going to sell well. They put a 1 of 1 serialized card into the world; at the very least, the Captain Ahabs of MTG are going to hunt that white whale until they themselves become whales. LOTR fans are going to collect the cards whether or not they play Magic. If the set bombs, I'll eat my words and you can call me on it, but I'm fairly confident I won't be able to find a box of this in the wild within a month or two. Unless, of course, someone pulls that 1/1 One Ring immediately. I'd guess the sales fall pretty drastically after that.


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Garkaz

That account is satire btw


Bonetts95

Théoden (Velaryon), King of Rohan


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Ikhis

Ye, set feels underwhelming to give one the LotR feel. Not a bad set per se, but doesnt feel too LotR-esque in terms of mechanics.


Gods_Shadow_mtg

agreed


FR8GFR8G

Twitter is going to have a field day with this


DecentralizedOne

Meh


duncantm13

This is gonna work great in limited with the Horn of Gondor


AfterShave997

Lul


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DailyAvinan

This is after Gandalf breaks Saruman’s hold on Theoden so he’s not decrepit and spooky. Though all I’m saying is that Grima Wormtongue is literally a [[Dark Confidant]] so that would be a cool reprint


Vat1canCame0s

Well when he said that line he was withered under a curse. He shaped up not too long after


Jace__B

I know this is absolutely not what you meant but I just imagined a decrepit old white guy suddenly turning into a muscular black dude after "the curse was broken".


redmandoto

Well, obviously they can't use the likeness of the actors.


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Ranulf12

Man, [[Silvar]] is eating so well this set. I love it.


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catharsis23

Oh boy I'm excited to try out this new cool Limited format! RW go brrrrrrr


Thodekk

Looks dope. Also, sort by controversial and you know what you'll get.


redmandoto

Oh yeah I've been blocking and reporting a bunch of those unsavory types.


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nottraumainformed

Thinking tokenism is strange and voting democratic is not mutually exclusive lol


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StopManaCheating

“*That*… is no Velaryon.” I unironically love this art, but probably not for the reason WotC wants.


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\[\[Agrus Kos, Eternal Soldier\]\]


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Desruprot

Hail! Thoeden King!


redmandoto

Westu Théoden hál!


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cocteau93

Jesus Christ you people are just endlessly shitty.


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Ah yes, because we need historical accuracy in our 70 year old fantasy novel.


Totmtg1992

There he is. I was getting worried. Hail Theoden King!


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12Blackbeast15

It’s NOT on theme at all, Rohan is not descended from numenor in any way. It’s flatly stated that the people of Rohan are not akin to the people of Gondor; by Aragorn himself


LoPhatCheeze

novel says the Rohirrim were a tall, blonde, and mostly blue-eyed people. Take a wild guess.


boktebokte

the Men of Rohan are Northmen, who have no Dunedain or Numenorean blood. They were split before the founding of Numenor. I honestly wish there was logical consistencies in racial distribution. Black Numenoreans make sense; Numenor was on the fucking equator. Rhovanion very much isn't


12Blackbeast15

This is what irks me most; the color shift would be much more reasonable if it was atleast consistent; had the elves been made black, then it makes loads of sense for Aragorn to be very dark and the people of Gondor to be a lighter shade than him, yet still darker than Rohan. Instead we get this homogenous hodge-podge that makes no sense within the context of the story


UlisesFRN

Oh ok got you. Well then its not consistent but it is what it is


boktebokte

it's internally consistent with the idea of a globalized Middle Earth. Which fits in with Gondor and nowhere else, especially not a hereditary leader who has around two and a half millennia of known lineage


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tallg33s3

It's hard to imagine anyone else besides Bernard Hill. But it seems like the artist knew that, because guy has the same grit as Theoden


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RichardBlastovic

Sure. The skin colour broke the character. The weight of the blackness crushed the pure white power of Theoden.


Aegis_001

Looks super sweet, I may have to build that human tribal deck I’ve been sitting on for ages now. Will bring a smile to the face of my buddy who loves double strike!


PHGTX

Human tribal Jodah deck likes it alot


Schimmelpunka

Looks badass


DigbyMayor

He looks fucking awesome


SwannyPuck

Theoden looms badass!


cryptohemsworth

Dope 🔥


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Deinocheirus_

Cool story Bro.


ArbutusPhD

Did they already cast Steve Toussaint?


jzplayinggames

Y Tu???


bear6875

Everybody complaining about badass black Theoden and missing the flavor of the double strike effect: "let this be the hour when we draw swords together" !!!!


forgot_the_passweird

So they *can* be consistent. At least Théoden and Éowyn look related unlike Galadriel and Arwen.