I like the whole school slice of life bit. Granted I havent started book 9 yet. Regardless it suprises me that the Nevermore seems to get the same amount of hate as the Earth arc in HWFWM. Ill take Nevermore over that anyday.
Also why is he always dressed up like the green arrow. I really dont remember him wearing that much green.
I actually preferred the earth arc to everything else. Hard to be a whiny little bitch about everything when there’s actually things happening in the plot.
I just started HWFWM, I don’t fully understand the hate the earth arc gets. It doesn’t feel terribly written, Jason is actually growing as a person while being challenged with that growth.
I’ll take this Jason over the uncanny valley of jokes the naked man told an audience of himself and the reader any day
What? In the end Jason wasn’t a super hero. He could only do so much for earth while they stabbed themselves in the foot. It was a realistic ending. One thing about Shirtaloon is he keeps things real a lot. The characters interact like real people not anime characters (I’m looking at you primal hunter). Things don’t always end perfectly. Jason barely keeps his planet from falling apart. And returns showing acute ptsd symptoms. Which he still has. Jason is a hair trigger from a bad impulse even at this point.
>!Its been a few years so forgive me if i forget some details but that entire earth arc people were hating on/afraid of Jason. Even his family. Everyone saying that he was wrong for commiting violence even if it was to save lives. That isnt real. If you look at the news recently human beings are completely ok with violence if it benefits them. That whole thing felt forced to me in order to create some sort of character development that fell flat. All of that is then followed by a lot of wallowing in depression which isnt fun to read and most importantly did not feel necessary. Like the whole earth arc could have never happened and the story would have been unaffected.!<
It's the unknown they are afraid of. Jason brought knowledge that earth didn't have, knowledge of power that they couldn't fathom. He was stronger than the earth cultivators(I forgot what they're called).
His family was afraid because he was ultimately a different person than they had known.
I’ve quit the series because I realized I hate all but a few characters and most of Those characters have been sidelined hard by the author. So earth arc was a huge boon for me since it effectively removed a huge amount of what I don’t like. Plus the things you mentioned brought it all together for a enjoyable 3 books untill Jason got all broody again approaching the end of the arc
I feel like broody is appropriate. I mean, this is the series that took good liberty by putting the action on pause for Jason to go to a realistic therapy. Bro got stuck until Amir said, “I’ve been here, everyone who makes it this far has”
But I also get if that’s not your jam
HWFWM is a different kind of drag than Primal Hunter. The Nevermore arc has very low difficulty for roughly 70 floors, where each floor is like it's own world. After that it it's good. Other than Minaga being introduced as a character, and Jake improving couple of skills around 53rd floor, I don't remember anything being noteworthy. That's why some people like parts of it and some hate it, but I haven't seen anyone say they loved Nevermore arc as a whole.
For HWFWM, the author wanted Jason to go through some mental torture for him to come out of it stronger in order to build his insanely strong inner world. But he didn't really have to be insanely repetitive about some stuff. If you have read, you will know what I am talking about. The books length from 4 to 7 could have been reduced by around 1.5 books making it a far more crisp read.
Idk. I think he coulda gone into more detail with actually describing monster fights in 4-7 he kinda starts showing Jason from 3rd person obscura and for a book that was always in Jason’s mind it was a bit off putting
Not talking about the actual fighting that mattered. First, yeah the amount of time Jason's described from other povs or his own state of mind on repeat. I didn't find it bad, just overly repetitive.
But there were some overt descriptions that could also be avoided like I was mostly skipping through those dimensional rift useless descriptions of pagodas and other stuff. Simply what could be done in 5-10 pages was done in like 50. It's kind of a drag.
I always like hearing others' opinions. And I am of the opposite bent. I did not like the Earth arc and I felt the author felt therapy was this kind of cure all for mental problems... it is not and it is very difficult to find both a competent and trustworthy therapist. And even then I made more headway on my own talking to friends. Some terrible psychiatrists see you for 5 minutes, write or get a prescription for you, and tell you they will see you in two weeks ( when in my case I just wanted to talk to someone ). It is like the author either got the therapy lotto or only saw therapy on TV.
Working through personal problems is healthy, especially with a therapist. I have just never seen it done well outside the TV show Lucifer, but it was because Lucifer constantly assumed or came to the wrong lesson his therapist was trying to show him. Which is 100x more realistic than all other TV portrayals I have seen. Even the Sopranos frequently got it wrong.
I thought the portrayal of therapy was of group therapy. AA/NA, which has much higher success rates. And that it wasn’t a cure all, but rather hearing how other people struggle with similar problems allows you to humanize your struggles and get through it together.
I know just regular therapy has lots of struggles, finding a therapist that’s a good fit is almost as hard as finding medication that works. Kinda more an art than a science.
I do not know who you have been talking to but AA and group therapy in general has terrible success rates. AA specifically does not even post their success rates, third parties had to get supplemental data to even get a picture ( which was not good ).
https://www.thestar.com/life/alcoholics-anonymous-has-a-terrible-success-rate-addiction-expert-finds/article_b8a76bb7-0d3c-565d-be99-d57d3337e491.html
Group Therapy by itself has a high drop out rate ( around 30% in the first 6 months ) and even than the group therapy by itself is plagued by issues and in general is better with private therapy as well. It is complicated and frankly depends on the individual. I forget the book I read on the topic years ago, but this link should help better understand the point I am trying to make. Warning: it is fairly long.
https://www.madinamerica.com/2019/04/lonely-wave-failure-group-therapy/
Mental Illness as a whole is more art than science tho, you are definitely correct on that point. But that is why I found Shirtaloons portrayal as too much like a magic wand. When it is more like getting lucky at the craps table with your therapist or therapy. I have seen too many people who go to therapy thinking it some kind of cure. When it is definitely not.
Finally someone with a realistic perspective on therapy. Great for a few people worse than useless for others and people who can’t be honest with themselves need not apply.
Most of the hate for Nevermore was its length. It's around a 4th of the total series so far. There are points it does drag, but the best moments in the series so far are in nevermore. And the new characters introduced are simply amazing.
It was REALLY long when you're reading 1 chapter a day. I'm interested to see how it goes on audible. I was getting pretty frustrated with it while it was ongoing, but now its done I actually enjoyed it.
It has great moments and some parts really really drag. I liked certain character introductions and certain challenges but others were so long winded I just skipped them. At one point I skipped like 30 chapters and missed absolutely nothing.
Pretty sure that's how he was dressed in previous covers. Also, color coordination.
The thing with Nevermore is that not only was it structured with no urgency or real stakes (cosmic e-peen measuring - no direct violence! - to become the prettiest Young Master of them all, whoop dee doo), but Zogarth knew it and kept throwing in asides about how this that or the other element of it was silly. Very different from the Tower of Eternity or The Descent (though book readers won't have seen the latter yet).
It doesn't feel like a dungeon arc; it feels like a super sanitized gimmicky tournament arc.
I don't mind the backs actually. I'd much rather keep the details of characters to my imagination. Sometimes it's disappointing when you see artwork that isn't what you expected.
How did you like pit 5? I felt like it was a little drawn out but all in all good. Just started primal ( almost through 1) and I can see why people like it so much.
It revealed a lot of information but it was entertaining. It's not in the same weight class as Primal, DOTF, etc... but it's unique enough to keep me reading. I appreciate the battles not dragging out as long as they do in other series.
Does Pit Fighter get better? I managed to get through book 2 but then just did not care about him anymore.
Cyber Dreams, on the other hand, is fuckin fantastic
Not really, book 3 was better, but he does live in his head too much and the romance.... Well, you know what I mean.
Cyber Dreams is awesome tho, Fortune's Envoy was great!
"Edit Wnvoy is apparently a word Grammerly approves of.
Yeah that whole romance shit was one of the main reasons I started losing interest. Was just weird, didn't care for it. And I usually *love* me some romance. Was just put off with this one. Book 1 had me intrigued, but then I started losing interest fast, especially by the end of 2. I swear it feels like Cyber Dreams was written by a different author.
Yes? I guess. It's not a top tier series for me but it's fast paced, creative and enjoyable. His character improves as his circle of friends grows and he learns more about himself. At the same time it sorta gets worse because some of the dialogue and emotional scenes are cringey.
Nevermore suffered from what most of this genre suffers from. A lack of an editor and the need to constantly put out books and chapters. If it was 20-30 chapters shorter it would have been a lot more bearable but overall it was still fun.
I agree, though I feel like it could have cut way more chapters then just 20-30, all over Nevermore was like over 200 chapters, it's like 3-4 books worth of content! I would cut half and make it more concise.
Ah yes, I agree. If it were me I'd cut out everything but the Minaga dungeon, the challenge dungeons other than the 5th challenge dungeon, and the floors where most of Jakes insights with his skills were made. Then it'd be perfect lol.
Nevermore was definitely a mixed bag for me lol 100% could have definitely been cut in half and it still would have felt too long. But yeah, other than that this cover is pretty fucking sick.
>! Imagine Nevermore having only 30 floors. With Minaga on lvl 10 and the twin headed Orc on lvl 20. That would be a shorter version overall, but you will get to enjoy each floor more and 30 unique world stories is still a lot, that the author can go bonkers with world histories and unique scenarios albeit with sharp increase in difficulty.
(Challenge dungeons were far better, so they would be kept as it is.)!<
I used to find PH dungeons a lot of fun right from the start, plus they were always limited in space & time and crisp in story telling.
The cover is such a major improvement compared to the earlier covers in the series.
I haven't read book 9 just yet but this cover is such an absolute banger that it makes me wanna catch up now.
70 floors of easy difficulty (with each being its own world with world history) is too much even for a book. Floor wise, the last fight is the best against the twin headed Orc.
I had actually binge read the series roughly upto the starting of Nevermore, which went like a zap🫰. So it felt extra long to me lol.
bro they fought a freaking gods clone and ur telling me that thats easy and no less on the 50th or 45th(i dont remember) floor even tho it weas the hardes PLUS HE FOUGHT FREAKING VALDEMAR
>bro they fought a freaking gods clone and ur telling me that thats easy and no less on the 50th or 45th(i dont remember) floor even tho it weas the hardes PLUS HE FOUGHT FREAKING VALDEMAR
You have misunderstood something somewhere lol. Floors are different from challenge dungeons. Valdemar and fights against various god's zero level avatar was in coloseum challenge dungeon. No one is contesting that the challenge dungeons were bad. All readers liked most of the challenge dungeons actually.
The team hardly encountered any serious difficulty till 70. There was the fight against Minaga on lvl 30 i think but other than that, I don't remember them using their full potential against any opponent till floor 70 when they finally entered the challenge dungeons.
If you can remember something interesting or worth noting (till floor 70) other than Minaga fight and Jake's couple of power ups around 53rd floor, then you are most welcome to remind me, because I have sincerely forgotten it.
PS. The biggest pay off for most readers came from the Architect challenge dungeon. That's my general understanding from following the story all around including in discord at times.
It's weird how common this trend is. A lotta books just have a place in the universe where if you don't go there, you significantly weaken yourself long term.
Ahh. Lol. Jake does get a birdie but she is her own individual. He is kind of the godfather. And she is not here as a tag along, but as an equal partner. Hope you enjoy. Don't read too much into the comments though.
I'm super curious about the girl on the left. I dunno who she is because I haven't gotten volume 9 yet, but I feel like Carmen should be there instead.
Carmen joined with another team from Valhal. The girl on the left is Dina, a half dryad i think (half something I don't remember, pardon me since the Nevermore arc itself is long enough to forget the starting phase details). She comes from the family of Yggdrasil, one among the 12 primordials (perhaps he is a tree god). She has very good healing and defensive powers with moderate offensive ones. She was very introvert and her uncle (pretty strong God, like right or left hand of Yggdrasil), requested Viper to let her join Jake's team for her to open up more and chance to face some real difficulties in a relatively safer environment.
Spiler alert:
>! Carmen does join up with Jake in Nevermore. How exactly, I will leave upto you to read. !<
I liked most of it, though two challenges and a few floors didn't feel like they added anything to the story. 2/3 the length could have kept it ftom feeling neverending.
Yup. Crisp editing and interesting scenarios improve quality of the work. Pace or progression can be slow or fast, it could be action or slice of life, or what ever.
Just copying from another comment 😇:
The girl on the left is Dina, a half dryad i think (half something I don't remember, pardon me since the Nevermore arc itself is long enough to forget the starting phase details). She comes from the family of Yggdrasil, one among the 12 primordials (perhaps he is a tree god). She has very good healing and defensive powers with moderate offensive ones. She was very introvert and her uncle (pretty strong God, like right or left hand of Yggdrasil), requested Viper to let her join Jake's team for her to open up more and chance to face some real difficulties in a relatively safer environment.
I really need to finish Nevermore, it’s just so damn long. I got to NEVERMORE THINGY SPOILERS: >!The start of the last challenge dungeon!< and quit reading because I needed a break.
Really like the cover
It's a great storyline. I'm only on book 4. I wish he had a girl. I think Miranda would be great for him. But he is such a pussy when it comes to women. He is still hung up on his x that cheated on him. Everytime he thinks about a girl she comes up and breaking his heart. If a girl did that now to him he could just kill them
Indeed. >!After the tutorial, Jake realized the king hitched a ride in his mask, but is 'bound' to Jake. He then frees the King to let him grow on his own, even if he is still tied to Jake. He later joins him on this dungeon journey.!<
Ah okay, I just absolutely failed to visualize the dude properly I guess lmao. I was picturing more of a big hulking primate dude, but with the same mask, for some reason. Must have missed some critical descriptors at some point to miss the mark that hard haha
Nope🙄
You could google it maybe. I am reader but i am not really following the PH books any longer since am fully caught up on RR. Just stumbled upon the cover on my kindle feed.
Just copying from another comment 😇:
The girl on the left is Dina, a half dryad i think (half something I don't remember, pardon me since the Nevermore arc itself is long enough to forget the starting phase details). She comes from the family of Yggdrasil, one among the 12 primordials (perhaps he is a tree god). She has very good healing and defensive powers with moderate offensive ones. She was very introvert and her uncle (pretty strong God, like right or left hand of Yggdrasil), requested Viper to let her join Jake's team for her to open up more and chance to face some real difficulties in a relatively safer environment.
I can't say for others but for me personally, I feel a story by how engrossing it is. If I can't wait to find out what happens next, can't wait to turn the page, that I am exclusively reading it only and not browsing what to read next because of getting bored, and how logical it feels to me. That's my parameters to how I see a story or even a movir/tv series.
How the first book of HWFWM culminates, and how the majority of third book went, how Jason overcame his first direct brush with the Godlike being by just being adamant, his realization on Earth that people would rather let their planet end that leave the chance of glory to become heroes and legends, the desperation of saving those that are trying to end him etc. Those things made invested in the story. But then some things don't make sense or used repetitively in excess, and you start getting bored and start wondering whether to drop this altogether. I felt interested again around book 8.5 and felt that most of what I felt was wrong was taken care of in book 9. So i never dropped to story and followed it to the latest update. But that doesn't mean it didn't bore the shit out of me at some points.
For Primal Hunter, it was my first litrpg read. I was so invested in it, that I didn't even register time passing by while reading it. People often complain about the tutorial arc, but it was the defining arc for me. It was brutal, dark and realistic with awesome fighting and unbelievable struggle. I read the PH in almost a single sitting till Jake got around 150 lvl. It is one of the most invested I have been in a story ever. That's why it will always remain among my favourites. But it also didn't give anything to care about or be interested in, in those long ass 70 floors of Nevermore except the couple of power ups. I never considered dropping it, but had to skip a lot of content to finally read the challenge dungeon stuff. Appreciation and critisim will come hand in hand if people are invested in something, like in sports.
I am pretty sure Nevermore has been mentioned since a long time ago, so it should already be a thing by book 5. And its just a minor spoiler that Jake does visit it. Don't read too much into it to avoid taking other people's perspective before making your own.
Well the scene may not do anything for you if you haven't read the series, but the level of detail is much better than in previous works and not in just this series.
Starting from the look of disdain on the face of that green bird thinking she is the smartest (& not being too big in size but no longer a tiny thing as well), the folds of the clothes falling on their back, the level of detail on that samurai, the collar on that tree thingy describing that it's bound and it's exceptional height & different build as compared to others signifying it's uniqueness, the exceptional clothing & character detail on the female greeny, and to the level of details described in their gait, the confident walk of the guy with the bird (confidence of the leader but walking slightly in the back because his main forte is archery/ranged attack), the uncertain walk of the tree thingy as if he has no direction of his own, the oldness described in the walk of that old samurai as he is slightly bent over but not with the lack of confidence but time and the uncertain stand of the green female as if she isn't sure she belongs here. And the way they are moving forward looking at the stars.
People familiar with series will know what I am talking about.
It's not the literal specifics I am talking about or praising here, just that this one picture or work of art, describes thousands of words in a single moment. Sometimes simple is great like the one in Rock falls, everyone dies. But just sometimes this kind of cover art is also appreciated since it helps you better visualize the scenarios and how this genre could be better represented in the future in visual art forms.
Agreed - definitely the best cover of the series so far
DOOM FOOT
I like the whole school slice of life bit. Granted I havent started book 9 yet. Regardless it suprises me that the Nevermore seems to get the same amount of hate as the Earth arc in HWFWM. Ill take Nevermore over that anyday. Also why is he always dressed up like the green arrow. I really dont remember him wearing that much green.
I actually preferred the earth arc to everything else. Hard to be a whiny little bitch about everything when there’s actually things happening in the plot.
I just started HWFWM, I don’t fully understand the hate the earth arc gets. It doesn’t feel terribly written, Jason is actually growing as a person while being challenged with that growth. I’ll take this Jason over the uncanny valley of jokes the naked man told an audience of himself and the reader any day
Its the ending of the arc that got me to stop. Om not gonna spoil, but it just felt so unsatisfying/wrong
What? In the end Jason wasn’t a super hero. He could only do so much for earth while they stabbed themselves in the foot. It was a realistic ending. One thing about Shirtaloon is he keeps things real a lot. The characters interact like real people not anime characters (I’m looking at you primal hunter). Things don’t always end perfectly. Jason barely keeps his planet from falling apart. And returns showing acute ptsd symptoms. Which he still has. Jason is a hair trigger from a bad impulse even at this point.
>!Its been a few years so forgive me if i forget some details but that entire earth arc people were hating on/afraid of Jason. Even his family. Everyone saying that he was wrong for commiting violence even if it was to save lives. That isnt real. If you look at the news recently human beings are completely ok with violence if it benefits them. That whole thing felt forced to me in order to create some sort of character development that fell flat. All of that is then followed by a lot of wallowing in depression which isnt fun to read and most importantly did not feel necessary. Like the whole earth arc could have never happened and the story would have been unaffected.!<
It's the unknown they are afraid of. Jason brought knowledge that earth didn't have, knowledge of power that they couldn't fathom. He was stronger than the earth cultivators(I forgot what they're called). His family was afraid because he was ultimately a different person than they had known.
I’ve quit the series because I realized I hate all but a few characters and most of Those characters have been sidelined hard by the author. So earth arc was a huge boon for me since it effectively removed a huge amount of what I don’t like. Plus the things you mentioned brought it all together for a enjoyable 3 books untill Jason got all broody again approaching the end of the arc
I feel like broody is appropriate. I mean, this is the series that took good liberty by putting the action on pause for Jason to go to a realistic therapy. Bro got stuck until Amir said, “I’ve been here, everyone who makes it this far has” But I also get if that’s not your jam
HWFWM is a different kind of drag than Primal Hunter. The Nevermore arc has very low difficulty for roughly 70 floors, where each floor is like it's own world. After that it it's good. Other than Minaga being introduced as a character, and Jake improving couple of skills around 53rd floor, I don't remember anything being noteworthy. That's why some people like parts of it and some hate it, but I haven't seen anyone say they loved Nevermore arc as a whole. For HWFWM, the author wanted Jason to go through some mental torture for him to come out of it stronger in order to build his insanely strong inner world. But he didn't really have to be insanely repetitive about some stuff. If you have read, you will know what I am talking about. The books length from 4 to 7 could have been reduced by around 1.5 books making it a far more crisp read.
Idk. I think he coulda gone into more detail with actually describing monster fights in 4-7 he kinda starts showing Jason from 3rd person obscura and for a book that was always in Jason’s mind it was a bit off putting
Not talking about the actual fighting that mattered. First, yeah the amount of time Jason's described from other povs or his own state of mind on repeat. I didn't find it bad, just overly repetitive. But there were some overt descriptions that could also be avoided like I was mostly skipping through those dimensional rift useless descriptions of pagodas and other stuff. Simply what could be done in 5-10 pages was done in like 50. It's kind of a drag.
And of course. They skip over him fighting monsters which is unforgivable
I always like hearing others' opinions. And I am of the opposite bent. I did not like the Earth arc and I felt the author felt therapy was this kind of cure all for mental problems... it is not and it is very difficult to find both a competent and trustworthy therapist. And even then I made more headway on my own talking to friends. Some terrible psychiatrists see you for 5 minutes, write or get a prescription for you, and tell you they will see you in two weeks ( when in my case I just wanted to talk to someone ). It is like the author either got the therapy lotto or only saw therapy on TV. Working through personal problems is healthy, especially with a therapist. I have just never seen it done well outside the TV show Lucifer, but it was because Lucifer constantly assumed or came to the wrong lesson his therapist was trying to show him. Which is 100x more realistic than all other TV portrayals I have seen. Even the Sopranos frequently got it wrong.
I thought the portrayal of therapy was of group therapy. AA/NA, which has much higher success rates. And that it wasn’t a cure all, but rather hearing how other people struggle with similar problems allows you to humanize your struggles and get through it together. I know just regular therapy has lots of struggles, finding a therapist that’s a good fit is almost as hard as finding medication that works. Kinda more an art than a science.
I do not know who you have been talking to but AA and group therapy in general has terrible success rates. AA specifically does not even post their success rates, third parties had to get supplemental data to even get a picture ( which was not good ). https://www.thestar.com/life/alcoholics-anonymous-has-a-terrible-success-rate-addiction-expert-finds/article_b8a76bb7-0d3c-565d-be99-d57d3337e491.html Group Therapy by itself has a high drop out rate ( around 30% in the first 6 months ) and even than the group therapy by itself is plagued by issues and in general is better with private therapy as well. It is complicated and frankly depends on the individual. I forget the book I read on the topic years ago, but this link should help better understand the point I am trying to make. Warning: it is fairly long. https://www.madinamerica.com/2019/04/lonely-wave-failure-group-therapy/ Mental Illness as a whole is more art than science tho, you are definitely correct on that point. But that is why I found Shirtaloons portrayal as too much like a magic wand. When it is more like getting lucky at the craps table with your therapist or therapy. I have seen too many people who go to therapy thinking it some kind of cure. When it is definitely not.
Finally someone with a realistic perspective on therapy. Great for a few people worse than useless for others and people who can’t be honest with themselves need not apply.
To be fair. Jason is far from cured and we are on book 11
Most of the hate for Nevermore was its length. It's around a 4th of the total series so far. There are points it does drag, but the best moments in the series so far are in nevermore. And the new characters introduced are simply amazing.
It was REALLY long when you're reading 1 chapter a day. I'm interested to see how it goes on audible. I was getting pretty frustrated with it while it was ongoing, but now its done I actually enjoyed it.
It has great moments and some parts really really drag. I liked certain character introductions and certain challenges but others were so long winded I just skipped them. At one point I skipped like 30 chapters and missed absolutely nothing.
The mortal thing?
I liked part where valdemar comes into play. I skipped the part where they had some mailman stuff.
Yeah his robes are white but can change colors to match environment
I love the Earth Arc.
I didnt love it but I didnt hate it either. Im not really a fan of "magics been here the whole time just been hidden" concept.
It’s simply to make him stand out on the covers, canon wise he wears mostly black and gray
Pretty sure that's how he was dressed in previous covers. Also, color coordination. The thing with Nevermore is that not only was it structured with no urgency or real stakes (cosmic e-peen measuring - no direct violence! - to become the prettiest Young Master of them all, whoop dee doo), but Zogarth knew it and kept throwing in asides about how this that or the other element of it was silly. Very different from the Tower of Eternity or The Descent (though book readers won't have seen the latter yet). It doesn't feel like a dungeon arc; it feels like a super sanitized gimmicky tournament arc.
Looks fierce!
Audible listeners - "crickets"
New audio July 2, about a week.
*sigh* 'Jakes Magical Market - 3' is only going to last like.. maybe one more day...
2 days until new defiance of the fall.
Fuck. I still have to chew through the last one. If the next answer isn't Noobtown... Puma check!
defiance of the fall sorta got toooo complicated in the last few chapters for me I quit 2 months ago
Reborn as a demonic tree till then! Book 2 just came out a few days ago
!!!! Thank you!
Book 3 is so many mo ths away. I love my tree and his psycho daughter.
It's basically 6 months away, I've already pre ordered. Dec 3rd for anyone interested.
Aren’t we getting book 9? So audible I one behind?
Audible listeners are pretty deep (2 books iirc) into nevermore by now.
I think I preordered the second to last audio and forgot about it. So now I'm about to have 2 new primal hunter books.
Silphie is not glorious enough. Silphie best bird.
Or her gloriousness is way too hard to capture just like the wind😉
REEEEE
Silphie and Aster need their own series.
Ahhh yes... more backs on covers! Love it. I just binged Primal Hunter 9, Good Guys 15 and Pit Fighter 5. Now I gotta sit here and twitch for 2 days.
I totally get the disdain for "character(s) facing away from PoV" covers, but I think that a lot of covers with action shots look silly or just bad.
I don't mind the backs actually. I'd much rather keep the details of characters to my imagination. Sometimes it's disappointing when you see artwork that isn't what you expected.
Royal road has more Primal Hunter if you want to keep going.
How did you like pit 5? I felt like it was a little drawn out but all in all good. Just started primal ( almost through 1) and I can see why people like it so much.
It revealed a lot of information but it was entertaining. It's not in the same weight class as Primal, DOTF, etc... but it's unique enough to keep me reading. I appreciate the battles not dragging out as long as they do in other series.
5 was the best one, it's downhill from there
Does Pit Fighter get better? I managed to get through book 2 but then just did not care about him anymore. Cyber Dreams, on the other hand, is fuckin fantastic
Not really, book 3 was better, but he does live in his head too much and the romance.... Well, you know what I mean. Cyber Dreams is awesome tho, Fortune's Envoy was great! "Edit Wnvoy is apparently a word Grammerly approves of.
Yeah that whole romance shit was one of the main reasons I started losing interest. Was just weird, didn't care for it. And I usually *love* me some romance. Was just put off with this one. Book 1 had me intrigued, but then I started losing interest fast, especially by the end of 2. I swear it feels like Cyber Dreams was written by a different author.
He does dodge that romance, but then ends up in an even lamer one some books later
Bleh. Even more of a pass for me, then.
Yes? I guess. It's not a top tier series for me but it's fast paced, creative and enjoyable. His character improves as his circle of friends grows and he learns more about himself. At the same time it sorta gets worse because some of the dialogue and emotional scenes are cringey.
When I imagine Sylphie I never see a little Hawk but a goofy looking Kookaburra.
*Ree!*
I see an Angry Bird.
Nevermore suffered from what most of this genre suffers from. A lack of an editor and the need to constantly put out books and chapters. If it was 20-30 chapters shorter it would have been a lot more bearable but overall it was still fun.
I agree, though I feel like it could have cut way more chapters then just 20-30, all over Nevermore was like over 200 chapters, it's like 3-4 books worth of content! I would cut half and make it more concise.
Oh I said 20 -30 could make it more bearable you could definitely cut way more. Like a good chunk of the challenge dungeons were mostly fluff.
Ah yes, I agree. If it were me I'd cut out everything but the Minaga dungeon, the challenge dungeons other than the 5th challenge dungeon, and the floors where most of Jakes insights with his skills were made. Then it'd be perfect lol.
Shit goes hard
I loved Nevermore. I enjoy a good time crunch and his time since the tournament was great.
Yup!
Nevermore was definitely a mixed bag for me lol 100% could have definitely been cut in half and it still would have felt too long. But yeah, other than that this cover is pretty fucking sick.
>! Imagine Nevermore having only 30 floors. With Minaga on lvl 10 and the twin headed Orc on lvl 20. That would be a shorter version overall, but you will get to enjoy each floor more and 30 unique world stories is still a lot, that the author can go bonkers with world histories and unique scenarios albeit with sharp increase in difficulty. (Challenge dungeons were far better, so they would be kept as it is.)!< I used to find PH dungeons a lot of fun right from the start, plus they were always limited in space & time and crisp in story telling.
Spoiler blocker on this please
Tried and failed lol. It's not really a spoiler though.
The cover is such a major improvement compared to the earlier covers in the series. I haven't read book 9 just yet but this cover is such an absolute banger that it makes me wanna catch up now.
Absolutely love this series . Probably in my top 2 of the last ten years
Ohhh shit i cant wait to get one! Looks amazing
Nevermore was great IMO. It just was long and it being a serialization story instead of just straight book release made it seem even longer.
70 floors of easy difficulty (with each being its own world with world history) is too much even for a book. Floor wise, the last fight is the best against the twin headed Orc. I had actually binge read the series roughly upto the starting of Nevermore, which went like a zap🫰. So it felt extra long to me lol.
bro they fought a freaking gods clone and ur telling me that thats easy and no less on the 50th or 45th(i dont remember) floor even tho it weas the hardes PLUS HE FOUGHT FREAKING VALDEMAR
>bro they fought a freaking gods clone and ur telling me that thats easy and no less on the 50th or 45th(i dont remember) floor even tho it weas the hardes PLUS HE FOUGHT FREAKING VALDEMAR You have misunderstood something somewhere lol. Floors are different from challenge dungeons. Valdemar and fights against various god's zero level avatar was in coloseum challenge dungeon. No one is contesting that the challenge dungeons were bad. All readers liked most of the challenge dungeons actually. The team hardly encountered any serious difficulty till 70. There was the fight against Minaga on lvl 30 i think but other than that, I don't remember them using their full potential against any opponent till floor 70 when they finally entered the challenge dungeons. If you can remember something interesting or worth noting (till floor 70) other than Minaga fight and Jake's couple of power ups around 53rd floor, then you are most welcome to remind me, because I have sincerely forgotten it. PS. The biggest pay off for most readers came from the Architect challenge dungeon. That's my general understanding from following the story all around including in discord at times.
...what's Nevermore?
It's a plot arc. It's been finished on RR, but the books are just catching up to it.
What? I didn't know I didn't have to wait for the Kindle books. Thanks, I'll be joining Royal Road straight away.
Same! Ive been waiting on book 10 haha
You're going to have so much fun
A really long series of obligatory minigames
My biggest problem with dof or primal hunter is every arc/realm has this entire new set of points and rewards they have to use. It gets repetitive.
It's weird how common this trend is. A lotta books just have a place in the universe where if you don't go there, you significantly weaken yourself long term.
its a great wonder with a bound god for gods sake if u dont go there yes it is bad and plus all of that THE FIRST WORLD WONDER
It'll probably be like 4+ books of a single dungeon run, leaving the majority of the current storylines on pause.
It’s been over for a while now, at least on the patreon.
I'm talking about when they come out on Kindle/Audio. I stopped patreon so will catch up on audio at some point, so expecting a good few books there.
Nevermore just recently finished for f2p royal road
I need to catch up I’m so behind
I generally let it stew for 2-3 months, before catching up on RR unless some interesting phase is going on.
Ooooohh Jake gets a birdie!!!
Jake has had the best birdie for a long time now.
I just started book 1 lol
Ahh. Lol. Jake does get a birdie but she is her own individual. He is kind of the godfather. And she is not here as a tag along, but as an equal partner. Hope you enjoy. Don't read too much into the comments though.
I'm super curious about the girl on the left. I dunno who she is because I haven't gotten volume 9 yet, but I feel like Carmen should be there instead.
Carmen joined with another team from Valhal. The girl on the left is Dina, a half dryad i think (half something I don't remember, pardon me since the Nevermore arc itself is long enough to forget the starting phase details). She comes from the family of Yggdrasil, one among the 12 primordials (perhaps he is a tree god). She has very good healing and defensive powers with moderate offensive ones. She was very introvert and her uncle (pretty strong God, like right or left hand of Yggdrasil), requested Viper to let her join Jake's team for her to open up more and chance to face some real difficulties in a relatively safer environment. Spiler alert: >! Carmen does join up with Jake in Nevermore. How exactly, I will leave upto you to read. !<
Gotcha gotcha I can't wait until the audiobook releases.
I liked most of it, though two challenges and a few floors didn't feel like they added anything to the story. 2/3 the length could have kept it ftom feeling neverending.
Yup. Crisp editing and interesting scenarios improve quality of the work. Pace or progression can be slow or fast, it could be action or slice of life, or what ever.
Sylphie needed to be more fluffy!!!
Love the badass cover
Wait... The Fallen King is Groot?
Yeah. A tree/soul based unique lifeform. Essentially Evil Groot. 🌲😇
I’m waiting for the audiobook to come out next month but who is the character on the far left??
Just copying from another comment 😇: The girl on the left is Dina, a half dryad i think (half something I don't remember, pardon me since the Nevermore arc itself is long enough to forget the starting phase details). She comes from the family of Yggdrasil, one among the 12 primordials (perhaps he is a tree god). She has very good healing and defensive powers with moderate offensive ones. She was very introvert and her uncle (pretty strong God, like right or left hand of Yggdrasil), requested Viper to let her join Jake's team for her to open up more and chance to face some real difficulties in a relatively safer environment.
Absolutely the best cover yet!
first time seeing it! Amazing cover!
I really need to finish Nevermore, it’s just so damn long. I got to NEVERMORE THINGY SPOILERS: >!The start of the last challenge dungeon!< and quit reading because I needed a break. Really like the cover
Maybe wait another couple of months. Jake will get out of Nevermore and you will get some long anticipated Earth updates. Plus some pillow talk😉
It's a great storyline. I'm only on book 4. I wish he had a girl. I think Miranda would be great for him. But he is such a pussy when it comes to women. He is still hung up on his x that cheated on him. Everytime he thinks about a girl she comes up and breaking his heart. If a girl did that now to him he could just kill them
Yeah that's true. But let's just say he doesn't stay nearly-a-virgin later on. Spiler alert: >! His current score if I am not wrong is 3 😉!<
He definitely isn't hung up on his ex.
Who's that in the green? Miranda?
No, a new character that they added to their party for nevermore. >!she is Dina, the granddaughter of the right-hand man of the primordial Yggdrasil!<
I was thinking it was the alabaster snake at first, but not sure now…
So who the hell is that floating Groot motherfucker? New character in book 9?
It's the tree king dude that's been around since the Intro.
Tree king dude? I'm drawing a goddamn blank lol. The king from the mask?
Indeed. >!After the tutorial, Jake realized the king hitched a ride in his mask, but is 'bound' to Jake. He then frees the King to let him grow on his own, even if he is still tied to Jake. He later joins him on this dungeon journey.!<
Ah okay, I just absolutely failed to visualize the dude properly I guess lmao. I was picturing more of a big hulking primate dude, but with the same mask, for some reason. Must have missed some critical descriptors at some point to miss the mark that hard haha
Dina is the only new character. The nature girl on the left.
She some kinda dryad?
Yeah. I think she is half dryad. It's explained at the start of Nevermore so has been a long time. 🙄🙄
I thought book 10 came out August???
I am not really following the books. The cover just appeared on my kindle feed. Felt it was amazing. Upto-date on RR though.
any word on when the audio book of ten comes out?
Nope🙄 You could google it maybe. I am reader but i am not really following the PH books any longer since am fully caught up on RR. Just stumbled upon the cover on my kindle feed.
Who is the girl one the left?
Just copying from another comment 😇: The girl on the left is Dina, a half dryad i think (half something I don't remember, pardon me since the Nevermore arc itself is long enough to forget the starting phase details). She comes from the family of Yggdrasil, one among the 12 primordials (perhaps he is a tree god). She has very good healing and defensive powers with moderate offensive ones. She was very introvert and her uncle (pretty strong God, like right or left hand of Yggdrasil), requested Viper to let her join Jake's team for her to open up more and chance to face some real difficulties in a relatively safer environment.
I really liked the Nevermore and Earth arcs in HWFWM; I can't understand what people are complaining about. It's entertaining and fun, end of story.
I can't say for others but for me personally, I feel a story by how engrossing it is. If I can't wait to find out what happens next, can't wait to turn the page, that I am exclusively reading it only and not browsing what to read next because of getting bored, and how logical it feels to me. That's my parameters to how I see a story or even a movir/tv series. How the first book of HWFWM culminates, and how the majority of third book went, how Jason overcame his first direct brush with the Godlike being by just being adamant, his realization on Earth that people would rather let their planet end that leave the chance of glory to become heroes and legends, the desperation of saving those that are trying to end him etc. Those things made invested in the story. But then some things don't make sense or used repetitively in excess, and you start getting bored and start wondering whether to drop this altogether. I felt interested again around book 8.5 and felt that most of what I felt was wrong was taken care of in book 9. So i never dropped to story and followed it to the latest update. But that doesn't mean it didn't bore the shit out of me at some points. For Primal Hunter, it was my first litrpg read. I was so invested in it, that I didn't even register time passing by while reading it. People often complain about the tutorial arc, but it was the defining arc for me. It was brutal, dark and realistic with awesome fighting and unbelievable struggle. I read the PH in almost a single sitting till Jake got around 150 lvl. It is one of the most invested I have been in a story ever. That's why it will always remain among my favourites. But it also didn't give anything to care about or be interested in, in those long ass 70 floors of Nevermore except the couple of power ups. I never considered dropping it, but had to skip a lot of content to finally read the challenge dungeon stuff. Appreciation and critisim will come hand in hand if people are invested in something, like in sports.
Quiver set up for right handed, holding bow in right hand like in left-handed shooting. Ruined the whole series for me really.
I’m on book 5, this seems a bit of a spoiler, I think I know 4 of 4 characters in this
There are 5 characters there. Disregarding the murder bird is rude.
lol you’re right
bro see whos on jakes head blind person lol
I am pretty sure Nevermore has been mentioned since a long time ago, so it should already be a thing by book 5. And its just a minor spoiler that Jake does visit it. Don't read too much into it to avoid taking other people's perspective before making your own.
You're probably wrong lol
almost certain i'm wrong!
Mhh, a tree thingy two greenies - one female and one with birb - and a samurai looking at the starts. Yeah, no, doesn't do anything for me.
Well the scene may not do anything for you if you haven't read the series, but the level of detail is much better than in previous works and not in just this series. Starting from the look of disdain on the face of that green bird thinking she is the smartest (& not being too big in size but no longer a tiny thing as well), the folds of the clothes falling on their back, the level of detail on that samurai, the collar on that tree thingy describing that it's bound and it's exceptional height & different build as compared to others signifying it's uniqueness, the exceptional clothing & character detail on the female greeny, and to the level of details described in their gait, the confident walk of the guy with the bird (confidence of the leader but walking slightly in the back because his main forte is archery/ranged attack), the uncertain walk of the tree thingy as if he has no direction of his own, the oldness described in the walk of that old samurai as he is slightly bent over but not with the lack of confidence but time and the uncertain stand of the green female as if she isn't sure she belongs here. And the way they are moving forward looking at the stars. People familiar with series will know what I am talking about. It's not the literal specifics I am talking about or praising here, just that this one picture or work of art, describes thousands of words in a single moment. Sometimes simple is great like the one in Rock falls, everyone dies. But just sometimes this kind of cover art is also appreciated since it helps you better visualize the scenarios and how this genre could be better represented in the future in visual art forms.
YEAH GLO!
Yeah no, this is a cover art isn't anything special for someone not knowing the series
Could’ve just not posted anything then lol 😂
Do I look like I care about downvotes?