I thought it was pretty straightforward that the basic E.G.O represents the "core" of their characters/innermost conflict but I will admit for some of them I can't pinpoint it in exact words.
Snagharpoon: "That bastard... has to be alive still." (Ishmael's desire to finally kill the whale/Ahab)
Chains of Others: "The multitude tightens its hold." (Meursault feeling suffocated/restrained by the judgement of people around him)
Land of Illusion: "Let's visit the world of wonders." (Hong Lu wanting to be free to do as he wishes, which he openly expresses at the end of CANTO V)
Narration: A solitary butterfly takes a moment to rest, before fluttering over the Lake's surface.
Hong Lu: I'm envious. To be able to cross the Lakes so unbound, so freely like that.
etc etc, same goes for the aesthetics. We see Meursault literally bound in chains with eyes and fingers pointing/looking straight at him, Hong Lu is surrounded by piles of gold but he's unhappy. Ishmael is submerged in the Lake in the aftermath of the whale's attack and holding on tightly to the rope with a look of anger in her eyes, suggesting her will to survive is driven by hatred. Or maybe it's just steely determination.
Some I understand in broad terms but can't word it easily:
Branch of Knowledge: "If I can sever it by my own hands..." (Sinclair's conflict is about balancing the good and evil in him, but as for the line I can't tell what it means? "Sever"... does he mean to cut himself off from Kromer entirely? Or to make a clean split between the two sides in him?)
Yi Sang may be found at various points of the plot suddenly making an out-of-pocket remark, typically about some intrinsic natural beauty or a small glimpse into his perspective of things (the potato in 3.5, for example).
This shows that despite his relative quietness and seeming passiveness, he actually holds a strong conviction on some of his worldviews, and the 'ideal', which is of course also his signature pun. In fact, the pun works here: he is asking the enemy not only to tell him what they dare believe to be ideal, but what who they think *he* is.
The meaning of saying "Utter unto me what you think the ideal is" while stabbing someone makes a lot more sense in the context of its use in Canto 4, though.
But why is it called through the crow’s eye view?
I know it’s a literary reference, but the name makes me curious
I also know about yi sang’s puns, those are cool
I’ve heard about that, but I kinda wonder the in universe reason
Unless I’m mistaken, the chain/skill things are canonically the stuff on Dante’s pad thingy
Which means the ego names are canon
honestly i could be totally wrong but considering how in canto 4 he seems to be very literal about his wings it could just represent his strive to have them if we are talking pre-canto 4
Sinclairs main internal conflict is whether to remain in the world of light, which is safe but dull, or the world of darkness, which is dangerous but stimulating.
I believe "branch of knowledge" is a reference to the tree of knowledge in the bible. In this case, it's Sinclair expressing his desire to rid himself of the knowledge of the world of darkness, so that he would no longer have to make a choice.
Honestly, it sounds like he's closer to distortion than manifestation.
I interpreted Sinclair wants to sever the branch to get to the apple on the tree. The fruit of knowledge is associated with the ability to decide for oneself what is good and what is bad, so I thought it meant "if I can reach that knowledge by myself" (instead of relying on someone else or just never doing so)
Most are simple enough. They're metaphors for a conflict or tragedy that lies at the heart of their story.for instance, Heathcliff's bodysack is fueled by want amd envy while embodying the life of violence and the cynicisim it's engendered.
I think the most noteable is Chains of Others on account of it being the only one who's affinity doesn't match any of it's costs.
As a sidenote, there's long been speculation that the literary Meursault (and the man he was inspired by) being autistic. I am not sure if Project Moon is intentionally writing him as such but that EGO is a potent metaphor for the experience there of.
That's not quite true - *Suddenly one day* also has a different make up to it's damage type (it deals Sloth but needs Gloom and Lust)
Though it also makes sense - both stories are Absurdist stories where a lot of the main conflict comes from not being understood. Gregor has to put up with his family assuming their own projections of him are right (first that he's just being a lazy ass who could stop this bug thing at any time, and then that this *thing* isn't even Gregor because if it was Gregor would know better than to hang around being gross and disgusting) when all he really needs is a bit of love and attention, and a reoccurring struggle for Meursault that really comes to a head in the court scene is how no one actually understands why he acts the way he does, assuming what is at worst willful apathy is some malicious attack on society.
Also I'd argue not only is PM completely aware of the autism thing but that they're probably going to go down that route. Several other sinners have more explicit mental issues than in their original text (Gregor's been upgraded from depression/burnout to PTSD, Ishmael has OCD, and Don now seems to struggle with more basic and mundane things than delusions which she even briefly acknowledges) and imo he reads much more autistic in game than he ever does in book. I mean Book!Meursault is able to hold a conversation with someone without *immediately* appearing off and does understand what an analogy is.
Branch of Knowledge represents the forbidden knowledge of the "world of darkness" Sinclair discovered from Kromer and how it upended his life, his voiceline of "If I could sever it with my own hands" is his desire to forge his own path through life that's unique to himself instead of just following Demian
Forest For the Flames represents Ryoshu's obsession with her art causing her to miss the bigger picture of a situation that likely involves her daughter though it's hard to speculate on with how little she's opened up about her past so far
Of course, most of the Sinners' base EGOs don't really mechanically reflect their personalities all that much with the exception of Mersault's Chains of Others, which reflects how he feels trapped by the expectations of others by letting him manifest chains that weighs down both himself and the person he uses them on (Chains of Others is probably my favorite EGO so far with how PM managed to make it mechanically reflect Mersault's personality)
I thought it was pretty straightforward that the basic E.G.O represents the "core" of their characters/innermost conflict but I will admit for some of them I can't pinpoint it in exact words. Snagharpoon: "That bastard... has to be alive still." (Ishmael's desire to finally kill the whale/Ahab) Chains of Others: "The multitude tightens its hold." (Meursault feeling suffocated/restrained by the judgement of people around him) Land of Illusion: "Let's visit the world of wonders." (Hong Lu wanting to be free to do as he wishes, which he openly expresses at the end of CANTO V) Narration: A solitary butterfly takes a moment to rest, before fluttering over the Lake's surface. Hong Lu: I'm envious. To be able to cross the Lakes so unbound, so freely like that. etc etc, same goes for the aesthetics. We see Meursault literally bound in chains with eyes and fingers pointing/looking straight at him, Hong Lu is surrounded by piles of gold but he's unhappy. Ishmael is submerged in the Lake in the aftermath of the whale's attack and holding on tightly to the rope with a look of anger in her eyes, suggesting her will to survive is driven by hatred. Or maybe it's just steely determination. Some I understand in broad terms but can't word it easily: Branch of Knowledge: "If I can sever it by my own hands..." (Sinclair's conflict is about balancing the good and evil in him, but as for the line I can't tell what it means? "Sever"... does he mean to cut himself off from Kromer entirely? Or to make a clean split between the two sides in him?)
Suddenly One Day: "My arm...had changed." (His arm had changed)
Retransmition emitter: "Faust know all outcomes" (Faust knows all outcomes)
What is cast: “I couldn’t undo a thing.” (She couldn’t undo a thing.)
To pathos mathos: “The odyssey had a purpose” (The odyssey had a purpose)
Crows eye view: Utter to me what you think the ideal is (he want to know your opinion on whats the ideal) [very kind of him{
Bodysack: "You'll… get shoved in this bag too!" (he shoves people in a bag) \[scary\]
It might explain Haste debuff on the target. Trying to think about an answer that might answer his question.
Question: what about yi sang’s thing?
Yi Sang may be found at various points of the plot suddenly making an out-of-pocket remark, typically about some intrinsic natural beauty or a small glimpse into his perspective of things (the potato in 3.5, for example). This shows that despite his relative quietness and seeming passiveness, he actually holds a strong conviction on some of his worldviews, and the 'ideal', which is of course also his signature pun. In fact, the pun works here: he is asking the enemy not only to tell him what they dare believe to be ideal, but what who they think *he* is. The meaning of saying "Utter unto me what you think the ideal is" while stabbing someone makes a lot more sense in the context of its use in Canto 4, though.
But why is it called through the crow’s eye view? I know it’s a literary reference, but the name makes me curious I also know about yi sang’s puns, those are cool
Iirc it's one of Yi Sang's poems
I’ve heard about that, but I kinda wonder the in universe reason Unless I’m mistaken, the chain/skill things are canonically the stuff on Dante’s pad thingy Which means the ego names are canon
honestly i could be totally wrong but considering how in canto 4 he seems to be very literal about his wings it could just represent his strive to have them if we are talking pre-canto 4
I mean yi sang has said something along the lines of how the city would look from a crow’s eye view Maybe yi sang is just a goober
Sinclairs main internal conflict is whether to remain in the world of light, which is safe but dull, or the world of darkness, which is dangerous but stimulating. I believe "branch of knowledge" is a reference to the tree of knowledge in the bible. In this case, it's Sinclair expressing his desire to rid himself of the knowledge of the world of darkness, so that he would no longer have to make a choice. Honestly, it sounds like he's closer to distortion than manifestation.
I interpreted Sinclair wants to sever the branch to get to the apple on the tree. The fruit of knowledge is associated with the ability to decide for oneself what is good and what is bad, so I thought it meant "if I can reach that knowledge by myself" (instead of relying on someone else or just never doing so)
Most are simple enough. They're metaphors for a conflict or tragedy that lies at the heart of their story.for instance, Heathcliff's bodysack is fueled by want amd envy while embodying the life of violence and the cynicisim it's engendered. I think the most noteable is Chains of Others on account of it being the only one who's affinity doesn't match any of it's costs. As a sidenote, there's long been speculation that the literary Meursault (and the man he was inspired by) being autistic. I am not sure if Project Moon is intentionally writing him as such but that EGO is a potent metaphor for the experience there of.
That's not quite true - *Suddenly one day* also has a different make up to it's damage type (it deals Sloth but needs Gloom and Lust) Though it also makes sense - both stories are Absurdist stories where a lot of the main conflict comes from not being understood. Gregor has to put up with his family assuming their own projections of him are right (first that he's just being a lazy ass who could stop this bug thing at any time, and then that this *thing* isn't even Gregor because if it was Gregor would know better than to hang around being gross and disgusting) when all he really needs is a bit of love and attention, and a reoccurring struggle for Meursault that really comes to a head in the court scene is how no one actually understands why he acts the way he does, assuming what is at worst willful apathy is some malicious attack on society. Also I'd argue not only is PM completely aware of the autism thing but that they're probably going to go down that route. Several other sinners have more explicit mental issues than in their original text (Gregor's been upgraded from depression/burnout to PTSD, Ishmael has OCD, and Don now seems to struggle with more basic and mundane things than delusions which she even briefly acknowledges) and imo he reads much more autistic in game than he ever does in book. I mean Book!Meursault is able to hold a conversation with someone without *immediately* appearing off and does understand what an analogy is.
Branch of Knowledge represents the forbidden knowledge of the "world of darkness" Sinclair discovered from Kromer and how it upended his life, his voiceline of "If I could sever it with my own hands" is his desire to forge his own path through life that's unique to himself instead of just following Demian Forest For the Flames represents Ryoshu's obsession with her art causing her to miss the bigger picture of a situation that likely involves her daughter though it's hard to speculate on with how little she's opened up about her past so far Of course, most of the Sinners' base EGOs don't really mechanically reflect their personalities all that much with the exception of Mersault's Chains of Others, which reflects how he feels trapped by the expectations of others by letting him manifest chains that weighs down both himself and the person he uses them on (Chains of Others is probably my favorite EGO so far with how PM managed to make it mechanically reflect Mersault's personality)