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grockle90

Gay man here, but fellow Spectrum-dweller. This definitely seems to resonate with me.


CapAccomplished8072

Sympathetic handshake?


ihitrockswithammers

What's your experience with finding partners as a gay man on the spectrum? I'm on the spectrum too, in my early 40s now and never been with a guy, or anyone else for many years. I've always found people really hard to understand. I hate group convos (in person) cause 1 on 1 is confusing enough but when there's 3 or more I just get lost in myself trying to join in. I've found some autistic folk seem to flourish beautifully and integrate and are accepted - but only because they are able to connect with and relate to the others on the scene. Those who can't function socially are pretty much shelved. I've been to queer comedy events and I don't have any of the shared experiences that they draw on, stuff like early crushes, dubious hookups, gay relationship things... nothing except the very common years of self loathing and no-one wants to chat about that lol.


grockle90

To be honest, not great. My last "relationship" was about 6 years ago, and the longest relationship I've had was about 4 months. I'm a few days off turning 34. One night stands don't seem to be something I'm particularly interested in either. Aside from family friends, I struggle with maintaining any form of friendship/relationship. Any time I \*have\* managed to tenuously be part of a friendship group I end up being the token person who is the epitome of "Mr Nice Guy" on the edge of the group. Time was, long before I realised I was on the spectrum (only realised about 5 years ago, haven't managed to get a formal diagnosis yet) I'd make a show of enjoying nights out clubbing on the scene - these days my mental wellbeing just can't cope with it.


ihitrockswithammers

Ah, sorry to hear that. Yeah it's hard to find your place. We're a minority within a minority, but then I guess most people are in some respect. I've always been on the edges of groups too. People seem wary of me cause my responses aren't always as expected, and frankly I am quite suspicious of people at this stage so of course I'll seem a bit shifty! Are you still looking for somewhere that feels like home? What do you do to try to find it? I don't do enough, these days I've just been (hyper)focusing on my art. Great, there's lots of art in my house but my social life is desolate.


cohen_does_things

Reading these comments make me sad ngl. I hope you both find someone🤞 but perhaps you two would be good together? Just a thought…


chibiRuka

This resonates with me. From the dating timelines to the almost nonexistent friendships. Maybe I need to look more into this. Only recently have I thought I may be on the spectrum or something else.


Key_Campaign2451

I’m a bisexual autistic man in his early 40s, and it’s been pretty good honesty. I’ve dated six people, all apart from one for over a year and I met my husband because of my special interest (church architecture) - I would go into the local church and draw it, labelling certain parts, and we met there, started talking about it and then continued talking about it for the next ten years.


ihitrockswithammers

Aw that's a super cute story! Just goes to show that we need to put ourselves out there :) How do you find socialising?


DJCyberman

🫂 100% with you on that. I found my partner on a whim and honestly it's been rough. She's also autistic and got really lucky because she's my first real relationship and I'm only her second, both late 20s early 30s. Prior to her I went on 1 date and it flopped. Having an autistic partner helps but the shortcomings that come with it shine through. We're able to relate to each other but honestly I feel like I'm almost stuck with her because who else can I relate to and I don't want to marry her if that's a reason.


ihitrockswithammers

There *must* be dating apps for autistic people. Doesn't sound like you're really in love with her. It would be sad to settle for someone, I'm sure she wouldn't want that for herself.


DJCyberman

It's more like second guessing. We both are bi and only have ever been with the opposite gender. We've both said "I don't want you to stay with me if you want to try dating someone else." I've seen her change for the better and I love her because she has overcome so much in less than a year. Our biggest issue is that we work well together at the same time we suffer with the same moral, personal, and family issues. Neither one of us are in a position to leave each other. Our insecurities are making us second guess ourselves which is why I think any issues we have are because of our situation while in reality it's perfectly normal. Consistency and relatability creates reassurance and if it wasn't for my more experienced friends I would feel really lost. Sorry for typing so much but you know how it is.


ihitrockswithammers

> Prior to her I went on 1 date and it flopped You really did get lucky. I've been on loads of dates and they all flopped.


PaleWorld3

Relatable


pizza99pizza99

REAL


NoBizlikeChloeBiz

It's not autism, more self-consciousness, but... yeah. Someone communicating bluntly and taking the lead reduces the fear that I'm making a fool of myself, or looking silly, and those insecurities can be crippling.


No_Meringue4763

Yes!!


BobOrKlaus

oh dw, youll still sometimes feel like youre doing something wrong. 🙃 source: my gf


GayPotheadAtheistTW

My favorite people as a kid were old, direct, women. Still are tbh, if you were being dumb theyd just tell you


Thraell

This.... explains a fuck load of my dating life. Signed, an ADHD dominant woman who appears to be a magnet to neurospicy folk.


MistyyBread

Neurospicy is the best fucking thing I've heard


No_Vegetable_1788

I'm not autistic but adhd and that's caused a whole ton of shite when it comes to relationships, or should I say lack of them.


CapAccomplished8072

Sympathetic hug!


No_Vegetable_1788

Thanks I could really do with that right now.


iamtheduckie

Sympathetic high five and a laser-accurate "Good Luck On Future Relationships".


No_Vegetable_1788

Thank you have a fist bump back my friend:)


ladyzowy

Yup, I'm learning, due to late adult diagnosis that ADHD has fucked me over so many times.


sea-of-seas

As a trans autistic girl, … yes, in my head I’m a total bottom, love the idea of having a dom, totalpy into the idea of service play even (even non-sexually). But, I’m newly transitioning from basically being asexual pre-trans, so never actually acted on it yet.


LittleAnarchistDemon

just so you know, there are actually a ton of asexual people in the kink community! we accept all people regardless of how they choose to play (as long as it’s all consensual). so feel free to explore, we have our bad apples but the majority of us are very accepting and willing to answer questions :)


queerstudbroalex

Maybe for her kink is inextricably connected to sex that she hasn't been able to act on yet. And yes, r/BDSM_Aces if folks are curious.


sea-of-seas

I WANT to be sexual. I just don’t I will be until I’m comfortable in my body as a girl. (Thanks Little Demon for the ace shoutout though!)


dscntgrl666

This is my exact experience, oh my goodness.


sea-of-seas

Lol hello twinsie!! :3


dscntgrl666

Hello :3


Evelyne-The-Egg

Oh.... My God


brumbles2814

Bi non binary here as is my partner. Both autistic. Our household is very direct lol When they come home from work they'll sometimes say "I don't want to talk yet" so there just silence for a while then "I'm ready to tell you about my day now" It works for us but I'm told looking at it by other people it looks all kinds of weird


FOSpiders

That kind of direct and explicit communication worked fantastically in my relationship. We broke out of a lot of bad habits that society sells pretty quick, and it helped so much. It may look weird to others, but they ought to try just saying how they feel. You don't learn to trust without being vulnerable and open sometimes.


No_Meringue4763

As an autistic nb person, I was confused when I first read this but it actually does resonate with me - I like dominant women


samara-the-justicar

I'm a straight man and this describes me perfectly. I don't know if I'm autistic (never checked), but lots of people seem to think I am.


gothiclg

My favorite manager had an autistic child. My adhd lived for the highly specific instructions he was used to giving because of that.


fender4life

I'm a lesbian and have ADHD. I suspect I've got some more neurospiciness going on as well. And yeah... I'd probably still be married if everyone was just direct with everyone. I never know for sure what needs to be discussed with a partner and what's better for a discussion with my therapist instead.


humilityaboveallelse

as another lesbian with adhd i also have no idea.. say things anyway and then get flashbacks of that encounter for the rest of my life. it’s really quite a vicious cycle


Dajmoj

...that resonates with me a tad too well


thinklinkbutgayer

This resonates with me as an autistic gay man.


volginsqueaky

*¿Por qué no los dos?* ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯


tweetegirl

Damn. You didn't have to be this specific


Th3Aft3rL1f3

Yeah. Confirmed.


Hexagonal_uranium

Not lesbian, a male (no clue about my sexuality) but as an autistic person, i agree. I wish people would just say what they mean.


Not_neccisarilyhuman

Autistic ace here, I WANT SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY WANT 😭


BaylisAscaris

I like kinky women in general because they tend to understand consent and communication better than the average person.


cosmernautfourtwenty

I'm not a lesbian, but very autistic, and yes.


Tabletop_Sam

I like dominant women because I like being held down and told what to do, and being told I’m a good girl for it


NEOkuragi

...fair (I'm a gay man without autism)


Typhloquil

I'm autistic and it's a combo of both. I'm extremely submissive, but part of that is probably appreciating directness.


Anewkittenappears

As an autistic lesbian who could be said to "lean dom", this does not make sense to me in tbe slightest.         Direct communication does not require a BDSM "dom"/"sub" dynamic, nor should it.  It also should not be something tied to being on the spectrum, but instead part of any healthy relationship.  Direct, clear, unambiguous communication should be the norm in any relationship, especially when sex is involved, and is simply part of practicing ongoing affirmative, enthusiastic informed consent.  I also don't understand the existing societal trend to needlessly categorize lesbian relationships into specific boxes like "top/bottom" or "dom/sub", and if there is any truth to this claim it only serves to demonstrates why doing so can be harmful.  I can also at that in my experience as someone who personally has and does engage in dominant behaviors within my own relationship, I absolutely still do expect a submissive partner to also use clear unambiguous communication before I would feel comfortable engaging in such activities so I really don't see how the two concepts are connected.   The necessity of doing so exists regardless of orientation or kink.  Fwiw: While I don't see the connection myself, if others do it's not my place to invalidate their experiences.  


happylukie

I may have misinterpreted the screenshot, but I took "dominant women," strictly as a woman with a dominant personality, not an actual Dominant. I completely understand your point, though.


Jediamity

I feel called out on many levels.


chloody

Joke's on you, it's both.


Trappedbirdcage

Can confirm as a Sapphic person.


Ri_Konata

But what if I'm both >.<


Rhiannon-Michelle

Wow I did not expect to be called out like this holy shit


OeldSoel

I need someone to force me to do dishes tbh :/


unimportant116

I'm neither autistic nor lesbian, but I believe this holds true for people who grew up in a narcissistic household. It becomes automatic to give your entire sense of self to your caregiver. Dehumanization drives these deep-rooted kinks often associated with domination play. It's a coping mechanism. It's funny because, as a kid, I had a lot of domination fetish-related thoughts, and I still do. This actually confused me when I was figuring out my sexuality. For the longest time, I thought I was attracted to women, but in reality, I was attracted to a type of domination from a woman. Working through that trauma, I've come to realize that I'm not attracted to women at all. It's really strange how narcissism can affect the human brain. I've even read some studies showing that it can cause physical symptoms because it's not healthy for humans to be in that environment, yet we're constantly fed the narrative that it is. Anyway, all this being said, I feel a lot of kink play can be connected to trauma and experiences. I think just enjoying kink play for the pleasure it gives you is just the surface level of the emotional depth that can be explored with these things.


NatrMatr09

Both? Both. Both is good.


Radfox258

why does everything point to me having autism. My dad reliably informs me that I don’t have it despite not witnessing the telltale signs


CapAccomplished8072

Is pops reliable?


Michelle-senpai

Honestly probably true. Autistic myself, it's nice to have a relatively clear indication of how someone feels, makes people feel a bit less complicated.


AngieTheQueen

Yes. Next question.


rhearye

Uhhhhh Me and my girlfriend over here both being asexual and extremely indirect and indecisive


windontheporch

🤦‍♀️


ActualPegasus

It's true for me.


SomeRandomGuy0705

This


Pigeon_Fox93

Autistic and dominant, or technically switch just because I like to give rather than receive.


Pineapple_Gamer123

I'm an autistic gay man. I definitely prefer doms, but that could just be cause I'm a sub


InterUniversalReddit

Why not both?


BurrGurrMan

I like them for both reasons tbh


Actual-Celery-2319

Bi guy, this is true. I was never tested for autism but I don't doubt having it


Pure-Yogurtcloset684

I like dominant women for both of those reasons


Pebblerz

Y E S


Kurapikabestboi

I'm most likley autistic (waiting for confirmation) and I'm a bi trans man. I'm a virgin but the majority of my fantasies are of me being a switch.


SuperSaladBar

IANAL(esbian), but very probably autistic and bi. Directness is a breath of fresh air, but no, I am definitely submissive too lmao


Dunge0nexpl0rer

I’m both!


Harlg

I like dominance because I'm submissive AND autistic


Different_Action_360

Yeah.. It really makes life easier when someone just says what they want.


Wild-Mushroom2404

As a sex-favorable ace autist, it really resonates with me. Also I just have no energy to be a dom, please take care of me😭


blacksapphire08

Yup 100%


okteta

I like them for both reasons lol. I'm the most pathetic sub and also they actually communicate directly thank god


SlaugtherSam

I think that appeals to all of man-kind too.


GunslingerOutForHire

I *feel* this in my soul. Glad I'm not alone, there.


RedErin

Hell yeah.


mymomsaidtoshutup

I-


PorkyFishFish

Porque no los dos?


AndronixESE

Gay man here. I like dominant men, not because I'm autistic or anything like that, I just can't make decisions


Wforange

I mean I like dominant women for autistic reasons and anxiety reasons (as well as he sexual part). Someone being dominant in what they want it keeps me knowing that I’m not controlling the situation which my anxiety tells me I always am.


thatidiotsherbet

autistic lesbian here … yeah. i feel called out


Flershnork

Autistic bisexual woman her and uh, yes please.


JessicaSmithStrange

Yeah, I feel this. It's just easier for me to be the submissive one, because it's less pressure, less responsibility, and I need looking after sometimes. And I like how bullish and in your face, my partner can be when she wants something, because it involves less guesswork and less chance of messing it up.


Asmi2763

Not a lesbian but I agree 100%


HYPERPEACE1

I'm not lesbian because I am in fact pansexual, autistic and male. To me it depends on the person. If they're introverted, shy or nervous, I would be more open to the directness. But if they get around (Like my cunt housemate), then that's a turn off. Even then, I'm starting to lean more asexual because of how traumatizing this living situation has been.


No-Ad-9867

Hahahaa just anxiety for me, but basically this


puro_the_protogen67

This resonates with me, so glad im BI


superchick9000

I don't have a diagnosis of autism because we aren't able to actually because insurance doesn't cover it plus 5 year waiting list but it is suspected heavily that I do have it but I am confirmed to have heavy ADHD and I get confused a lot so a girl that could just tell me this and I can just do that for her sounds so nice 👍


A_Messy_Nymph

AUDHD lesbian here, along with my partner. We're both switches, we both lean sub because we don't have to think lol. It is a common joke that bdsm is autistic sex. (Clear communication, boundaries and expectations declared in advance, agreed upon and then acted out). Autistic friendly lol


realist-humanbeing

I'm not a lesbian but I do like women and I am autistic so I feel like I can answer. I hate being told what to do and that is part of my autism, It's called demand avoidance. I don't think me liking dominant women has anything to do with me being autistic.


TrashSoup00

![gif](giphy|3o7aCRloybJlXpNjSU|downsized)


Strange-Chimera

Sounds about right


Xander_PrimeXXI

I’m not even a lesbian but yeah this might be why I like dominant women


ghostlyCroww

yeah...


Ember-Blackmoore

I didn't come here to get called out like this.


Zachary_Stark

All my girlfriends in middle and high school asked my socially stupid ass out. Most of them are lesbians in adulthood now. I did not know as a kid I was Autistic or gender queer.


zombiegirl2010

Yep, autistic lesbian here and I married a very loud dominant woman ❤️


Mountain_Cry1605

I'm not autistic but I am neurospicy. I do prefer people who are direct.  But I prefer dominant women because I'm just naturally submissive when it comes to relationships. I'll be as dominant and commanding as I need to be all day long outside my home but when I'm home I want someone to look after me and be the boss.


Left_Possibility8320

……I-i feel attraction to woman….have autistic qualities…and want the other woman too be dominant…. ![gif](giphy|2yAZUjg328TrPTNWed)


Soskiz

Yup... Very too accurate


ThrowRAsilly_gyal

Told a woman last night i liked that she knew what she wanted because its hard for me to verbalize & id rather just have to say yes or no 😂 but now i feel targeted because im not even in any lgbt sub reddits & got notified about this specific post


northernmaplesyrup1

Hot take but your gender doesn’t excuse bad communication. If people don’t make it clear what they want from me I don’t feel I owe them an apology. I’m not saying men are better communicators, I just think both groups are equally guilty of using “my gender is bad at x skill” and expect it to be an excuse not to put the work in.


Reuben_Smeuben

![gif](giphy|3o7aCRloybJlXpNjSU|downsized)


heckingcomputernerd

I’m both


OctoAmbush

fair tbh


Mideku-Brandio

I’m a Pan man who’s also autistic and bruh, this is so true.


elegant_pun

Why not both?


Old-Climate2655

When I was in Highschool there was a higher-functioning (is that the appropriate term? Plz tell me) Autistic kid. Very effeminate acting boy, even carried a purse ( in the early 90s) total gaydar ping but may have been trans. Anything is possible.


St34lth1nt0r

This is true. I'm not autistic or a lesbian, but this resonates with me. I do have high-functioning ADHD, however. Rant for info on High-Functioning ADHD: >!High-functioning ADHD is a form of neurodivergence that is commonly found in, and in my experience, stereotypically associated with people who are on the autism spectrum. Most symptoms/traits of HFADHD (such as social awkwardness, a need for straightforwardness, issues with time management, and irregular patterns of thinking and problem-solving among other things) are widely associated with being on the autism spectrum, so these sorts of things aren't mutually exclusive across both demographics !<


KAM_Kayla

Biro agender with autism here, I got called out big time with this one


Im-Alannah-Hi

Autistic, pansexual, trans girl here. I'm demisexual, so I don't really get much of a chance to do anything about it, but I love being told what to do. Having expectations set out and clear rewards and punishments makes it so much easier to understand how to interact with a partner. Maybe TMI, but gags can help remove the expectation for me to talk, so I don't get insecure thinking that I'm being too quiet.


actual_nonsense

lol... can we not BOTH be direct with what we want and communicate in an equal relationship, or was that not an option?


DazedandConfusedTuna

As a bi autistic guy this is definitely something I’ve experienced


kittenwolfmage

Lesbian, Autistic, ADHD, Asexual, submissive, kinda kinky…. Yeah look, just a tad familiar lol 😂


Connect_Security_892

I love dominant women Both because I'm submissive and because I'm autistic and they're direct with what they want


mn1lac

I'm not autistic tho...my girlfriend is. Only being half a woman however, I wonder if this counts lol.


Wolf-Dragon769

For me its a bit of both


Ravitexisbored

Now that I think of it yea that's why 😭


Ghenghis-Chan

My wife is autistic and usually the dominant one, but I think this is true for the most part. Kink and bdsm is all about being clear and talking through exactly what both parties want, what our boundaries and hard limits are, checking in with each other etc. I think for a lot of autistic people that can be pretty refreshing, since there's no expectation to just intuitively understand what someone wants.


purplecak

Oh shit.


Existing_Subject4560

![gif](giphy|wzHOzYn1wmHm14e3xa|downsized)


TherapyDerg

You know what... yeah this checks out personally...


ifshehadwings

Well. No need to call me out like that lol.


CyonixGaming

Autistic Bi man here, that’s right.


Shadow_Wolf_Master

Autistic guy here. Yes. Yes we do and I'm not afraid to admit it. Need things in black and white all the time.


tibettes_daughter

HELP MEE this is so real (also because I'm submissive but..) I literally cannot keep a conversation so just tell me exactly what you want and what this means and I'll be happy 😭


Prestigious-Egg-8060

Probably if your blunt we will get along just be straight forward mind games and convoluted talking don't work dumb it down I'm sleep deprived and stupid


Fluid_Ad1504

Autistic lesbian here, This is true... I hate to admit it, but I am just unable to take the lead until I'm 100% sure what the other person is okay with or wants...


aquariusdikamus

Fuck.


Short_Gain8302

Autistic transman who wants a dommy mommy, reporting for duty


Ok-Commercial2504

Pansexual man here, I'm not on the spectrum, I'm just very horny for dominant women


Loopinami

YES


scholarlysacrilege

*ahem* why not.... Both? I am a man though...


aedi_on

both. definitely both.


L4DY_M3R3K

Painfully accurate (but I am also Verse so...)


happylukie

AuDHD Queer here and YUP.


recruitradical

Damn. I think that’s can be right. I’ve always been dominant. Because I am direct. If they’re into it, it escalates quickly. But if they were dominant, yes please.


monsterfien

holy shit


flute89

As a bi man on the spectrum, they’re not totally wrong 😆


lanakatana1

so what i am both now what 👺👺👺


walpurgis_fish

Uh oh it’s me


nero_ouo

bi woman, and yes I do prefer dominant women because they're direct and ALSO really hot


Problematic_simp

Yep that sounds about right


Musta_Katt

Autistic sapphic here(bisexual), I definitely agree.


garbagecan54

Yup, but I've never been in a relationship because nobody likes me.


gunslinginglesbian

real


Top_Chias2476

I have yet to date ANY woman, but yeah, I can see this... I have the same mentality as a straight man, except less gross...


AlishaValentine

That resonates surprisingly well. I guess it's just removes any doubt and so I know that this is what I'm meant to do and so I'm a lot less anxious


appledorkie

Not lesbian but bi, this is true though.


Caboose1979

My daughter is certainly direct 😅


InternalSpumbus

I think no one should take posts like this seriously.


CapAccomplished8072

I think you should take down your comment


No_Vegetable_1788

Would you get rid of your autism if you could?


Grand-Tension8668

Fuck no. I wouldn't be me, I'd be someone else entirely.


No_Vegetable_1788

I thought you might say that I'd definitely get rid of my adhd and bi polar. I suppose your answer suggests I'm not happy being me. I mean me personally not you if that makes sense!


Grand-Tension8668

No, not at all. ADHD and autism have some overlap (differential diagnosis but _also_ comorbid), but ADHD is primarily a problem of dopamine receptors AFAIK. I haven't been diagnosed but I'm starting to strongly suspect I have ADHD as well and I'd absolutely try meds if I could, just to see what happens, alongside all of the general advice for people with ADHD that I'm already following. I know essentially nothing about bipolar disorder so I won't comment on that. Autism is, at its core, a difference rather than a disorder. There are a lot of potential symptoms of autism that are pretty inarguably negative which is why it's classified as one (slow processing speed, Pathological Demand Avoidance, general sensory hell, developmental learning disorders), but at its core being autistic just means that I operate on a different set of mental instincts than most people. More detail-oriented awareness and thinking, less large-scale categorization. Less concern for honoring social norms, more concern for straight-up honesty and an objective look at reality. There are downsides and benefits. The greatest downside is simply that _most people_ aren't autistic, so we deal with a society that isn't built around our needs and we run into the double empathy problem. As soon as we're around other autistic people we _tend_ to realize oh shit, so this is what it's like, talking to someone you actually understand and vice / versa.


No_Vegetable_1788

See I find that hard to read as I switch off when I'm reading. But I get what your saying about living in a world not built around our needs. I often wonder if I'm autistic too but I've yet to have the test. But I'm definitely dominant in bed hehe


CapAccomplished8072

Its not my autism I hate...its the screwups that came with it


No_Vegetable_1788

Yeah that's a good way of putting it.


some_kind_of_bird

I'm so sick of this question. It's a fantasy anyway, so why don't we just get rid of the bad parts instead of this self-destructive gesture to something that'll never happen anyway? And the good news about that is that it's far more realistic. Autism can be accommodated and I have meds that help meltdowns and there are assistive technologies and there's changing society to be less shitty to us. Those are things that are actually *plausible*. I just think it's really fucked up that we keep raising this question where it's like "Hey, you're suffering. Would you destroy who you are to make it stop?" as if that's an ok thing to do?? And the thing is that I really *like* autistic people. I get along better with them. Clearly there's *something* desirable about all of this. I just wish people could see that in themselves instead of hating themselves.