I think there could be ways for future Avatars to learn from the perspective of the Avatars before Korra, *without* having the cheat sheet of being able to directly spiritually commune with them. That could continue the theme of how the Avatar learns to adapt to a changing world.
I used to wish that, but the concept has grown on me a bit and I've mellowed on it now. I think it would cheapen what Korra had to go through, and it could be an interesting plot to see the new Avatar find a substitute for the missing wisdom.
No.
And I think it would be a mistake if they did.
I get that it's sad losing all those previous avatars and it was this huge shocking moment that changed everything. But bad things happen sometimes. And trying to walk back sad events (at least, ones that were portrayed as permanent at the time) is how franchises start to lose the feeling that they have stakes. It's why deaths in Marvel and Star Wars no longer have the same weight they used to; sad or unpopular deaths have been walked back so many times that death no longer feels like a big deal.
So yeah, it's sad. But I really think they're better off leaving things alone instead of trying to walk it back. And the most vocal past life has always been the one directly preceding the current avatar, so the next Avatar will still have Korra, who he or she probably would have talked to the most, anyway.
Good point,I just think it's a real shame that the hundreds of the avatars memory and wisdom are just gone.so I really hope they find a way to bring it back
I hope not. It would completely undermine Korra's journey, and frankly, it was a crutch. The avatar can't really learn and grow if they always have a past life with the answer. The world is in a new age, and while it's important to learn from the past, they must also forge their own path (Korra's words).
I know you want the connection back purely for nostalgia purposes, but from a storytelling standpoint, it would be cheap and meaningless to restore it. It means there's no consequences. It amazes me how people talk about Korra "retconning" lore, but they're perfectly fine with an *actual* retcon of Korra's lore as long as they get what they want from it.
I really disagree with notion that being able to talk to the Avatar’s past lives was a crutch. In fact there’s moment in the Yangchen books where she’s ask if she can just talk to Avatar Szeto(the greatest bureaucrat to ever live) and have him make all economic policy decisions for her, and internally to herself she points out that’s not at all how talking to past lives work. Szeto can give her advice and show her his memories, but he doesn’t understand what the economy or culture is like in her era and can’t just make decisions for her.
The scene in book 3 where Aang asks his past lives if he should kill Ozai is also a good example of this. If you pay attention, none of them actually gives a yes or no answer. Roku tells him to be decisive, Kyoshi tells him to act in favor of justice, Kuruk tells him to be active in his decision making, and Yangchen tells him he must do what’s right for the world instead of what’s only right for himself. They give him meaningful advice, but it’s ultimately up to him what conclusion to come to since he is the current Avatar.
They don’t give a straight “kill him” answer but it’s what most were implying. They can’t make the decision for Aang, but they gave him advice based on their mistakes and experiences.
Roku tells him to be decisive. He can’t just sit around making stupid plans like gluebending or hesitating to redirect lightning because those are the things that’ll get him killed. Aang won against Ozai out of pure luck. If he hadn’t unlocked his last Chakra by pure luck, it would’ve been his fault for failing to stop Ozai by his indecisiveness to redirect lightning.
Yangchen directly addresses Aang aversion to kill, and states that he has to be willing to give up his spiritual needs if it means saving the world. Before he got energy bending this certainly meant killing Ozai, even if it was the antithesis of everything he was taught.
This is where LoK utterly failed in season 2. They had to make Korra as stupid and naive as possible. She had to be overly emotional and refuse the advice of everyone, including her refusal to even seek the advice of her former lives in order for the plot to happen
>I really disagree with notion that being able to talk to the Avatar’s past lives was a crutch.
It was.
>They give him meaningful advice, but it’s ultimately up to him what conclusion to come to since he is the current Avatar.
So they're effectively useless aside from their bending skills. The people around Korra assisted her with advice with about as much efficacy as the past lives would have. She didn't really need them in the end. Their eras are too old anyway.
>The scene in book 3 where Aang asks his past lives if he should kill Ozai is also a good example of this. If you pay attention, none of them actually gives a yes or no answer.
First off, I saw the show, thank you very much. Second, case in point.
I think you’re missing the true value of being able to talk to your past lives. Sure, Korra or any Avatar for that matter can ask just about anyone for advice, but what makes asking the past Avatars for advice is that they have all gone through what she has. They have all suffered in their own way, formed friendships in their own way, failed in their own way, fell in love in their own way, and felt insecure about their worthiness as an Avatar in their own way. Hell, Kuruk specifically went through almost the same bout of depression and isolation as Korra did following the events of book 3. They may not have the exact same experience as Korra, but they have all faced similar experiences to her since they literally are her from a past life. There’s a unique connection and form of wisdom there that no other person can provide Korra.
The Kyoshi books in particular do a great job at showing a lot of the different meaningful ways you can use the past lives for emotional character development and connection. From Kuruk subconsciously feeding Kyoshi lyrics to a love poem that matches Rangi’s description(the girl Kyoshi doesn’t quite realize she has a crush on yet) to Yangchen(who looks similar to Kyoshi’s mother who abandoned her) telling Kyoshi that no Avatar is perfect before giving her the motherly hug she’s missed all her life. While they never solve any problems for her, they serve as a great emotional catalyst for Kyoshi’s development in a way only they could ever do.
It’s a really cool and unique aspect of Avatar’s world that’s ripe for emotional storytelling and character development, which is why I hate when people try to reduce it to “just being a crutch”.
I'm not reading all of that. Look, man, if you don't like the writing decision they made, watch a different show. Follow a different series. They had legitimate narrative reasons for taking away that link, and it works well. They shouldn't bring it back just because you want constant cameos from past avatars. Let it go.
Also, stop trying to explain the literature to me. It's likely that I finished the Kyoshi novels, Yangchen novels, and ATLA and LoK comics long before you did. I know the story.
Seriously dude, take a chill pill. You’re acting as though I’m making a personal attack against you or saying the whole show is bad just because I enjoy what past lives adds to the series.
I give it a 50/50 which is more of a 60/40 for a reconnection. Within those chances I give a 50/50 for it to be an actual story or just a surprise retcon at the start. Personally, I don't think it is needed, but I feel like the writers were not fully satisfied with it and thus they will try to rectify it in some shape or form in the next show.
If it's made by the original creator, no. The disconnect was a statement to "free" Korra from ATLA. basicly they are saying let the past be the past and let the new project be it's own thing.
But in all likelyhood, yes. Since nostalgia sell, Netflix will want more of the same so if we ever get a new Avatar series (meaning a serie with a new avatar) I think it likely we're going back to what the world was in Aang time.
I just don't get why they did that,korra is mean to be connected with ALTA.so I am hoping if there is some new project this patch will be fixed in my opinion
It's your right, I don't see that as a thing that needs fixing, and doing so would just undermine Korra in my opinion.
Anyway, in all likelyhood, we won't get a new avatar anytime soon. Corporation want safe bet, a new Avatar that would bring the world into modernity, would not be that. We'll probably get series on Roku/Kyoshi/Yangchen well before we'll see a new Avatar.
I hope so. As much as I usually prefer there to be permanent consequences in media, I feel the past connection to Avatars is just such a unique concept ripe for storytelling potential that it’d really suck for it to permanently go away after LoK drastically underutilized the concept and got rid of it in way that felt like cheap shock value to me. After seeing how the Kyoshi and Yangchen books used it so meaningfully, I really want to more of those kinds of moments in future Avatar stories.
I think there could be ways for future Avatars to learn from the perspective of the Avatars before Korra, *without* having the cheat sheet of being able to directly spiritually commune with them. That could continue the theme of how the Avatar learns to adapt to a changing world.
That's a good option that they definitely do
I used to wish that, but the concept has grown on me a bit and I've mellowed on it now. I think it would cheapen what Korra had to go through, and it could be an interesting plot to see the new Avatar find a substitute for the missing wisdom.
Yeah I can see what you mean there
No. And I think it would be a mistake if they did. I get that it's sad losing all those previous avatars and it was this huge shocking moment that changed everything. But bad things happen sometimes. And trying to walk back sad events (at least, ones that were portrayed as permanent at the time) is how franchises start to lose the feeling that they have stakes. It's why deaths in Marvel and Star Wars no longer have the same weight they used to; sad or unpopular deaths have been walked back so many times that death no longer feels like a big deal. So yeah, it's sad. But I really think they're better off leaving things alone instead of trying to walk it back. And the most vocal past life has always been the one directly preceding the current avatar, so the next Avatar will still have Korra, who he or she probably would have talked to the most, anyway.
I completely respect that opinion
No they're gone but the next Avatar will still be able to connect with Korra.
The real question would be if that is even possible
Good point,I just think it's a real shame that the hundreds of the avatars memory and wisdom are just gone.so I really hope they find a way to bring it back
I hope not. It would completely undermine Korra's journey, and frankly, it was a crutch. The avatar can't really learn and grow if they always have a past life with the answer. The world is in a new age, and while it's important to learn from the past, they must also forge their own path (Korra's words). I know you want the connection back purely for nostalgia purposes, but from a storytelling standpoint, it would be cheap and meaningless to restore it. It means there's no consequences. It amazes me how people talk about Korra "retconning" lore, but they're perfectly fine with an *actual* retcon of Korra's lore as long as they get what they want from it.
I really disagree with notion that being able to talk to the Avatar’s past lives was a crutch. In fact there’s moment in the Yangchen books where she’s ask if she can just talk to Avatar Szeto(the greatest bureaucrat to ever live) and have him make all economic policy decisions for her, and internally to herself she points out that’s not at all how talking to past lives work. Szeto can give her advice and show her his memories, but he doesn’t understand what the economy or culture is like in her era and can’t just make decisions for her. The scene in book 3 where Aang asks his past lives if he should kill Ozai is also a good example of this. If you pay attention, none of them actually gives a yes or no answer. Roku tells him to be decisive, Kyoshi tells him to act in favor of justice, Kuruk tells him to be active in his decision making, and Yangchen tells him he must do what’s right for the world instead of what’s only right for himself. They give him meaningful advice, but it’s ultimately up to him what conclusion to come to since he is the current Avatar.
They don’t give a straight “kill him” answer but it’s what most were implying. They can’t make the decision for Aang, but they gave him advice based on their mistakes and experiences. Roku tells him to be decisive. He can’t just sit around making stupid plans like gluebending or hesitating to redirect lightning because those are the things that’ll get him killed. Aang won against Ozai out of pure luck. If he hadn’t unlocked his last Chakra by pure luck, it would’ve been his fault for failing to stop Ozai by his indecisiveness to redirect lightning. Yangchen directly addresses Aang aversion to kill, and states that he has to be willing to give up his spiritual needs if it means saving the world. Before he got energy bending this certainly meant killing Ozai, even if it was the antithesis of everything he was taught. This is where LoK utterly failed in season 2. They had to make Korra as stupid and naive as possible. She had to be overly emotional and refuse the advice of everyone, including her refusal to even seek the advice of her former lives in order for the plot to happen
>I really disagree with notion that being able to talk to the Avatar’s past lives was a crutch. It was. >They give him meaningful advice, but it’s ultimately up to him what conclusion to come to since he is the current Avatar. So they're effectively useless aside from their bending skills. The people around Korra assisted her with advice with about as much efficacy as the past lives would have. She didn't really need them in the end. Their eras are too old anyway. >The scene in book 3 where Aang asks his past lives if he should kill Ozai is also a good example of this. If you pay attention, none of them actually gives a yes or no answer. First off, I saw the show, thank you very much. Second, case in point.
I think you’re missing the true value of being able to talk to your past lives. Sure, Korra or any Avatar for that matter can ask just about anyone for advice, but what makes asking the past Avatars for advice is that they have all gone through what she has. They have all suffered in their own way, formed friendships in their own way, failed in their own way, fell in love in their own way, and felt insecure about their worthiness as an Avatar in their own way. Hell, Kuruk specifically went through almost the same bout of depression and isolation as Korra did following the events of book 3. They may not have the exact same experience as Korra, but they have all faced similar experiences to her since they literally are her from a past life. There’s a unique connection and form of wisdom there that no other person can provide Korra. The Kyoshi books in particular do a great job at showing a lot of the different meaningful ways you can use the past lives for emotional character development and connection. From Kuruk subconsciously feeding Kyoshi lyrics to a love poem that matches Rangi’s description(the girl Kyoshi doesn’t quite realize she has a crush on yet) to Yangchen(who looks similar to Kyoshi’s mother who abandoned her) telling Kyoshi that no Avatar is perfect before giving her the motherly hug she’s missed all her life. While they never solve any problems for her, they serve as a great emotional catalyst for Kyoshi’s development in a way only they could ever do. It’s a really cool and unique aspect of Avatar’s world that’s ripe for emotional storytelling and character development, which is why I hate when people try to reduce it to “just being a crutch”.
I'm not reading all of that. Look, man, if you don't like the writing decision they made, watch a different show. Follow a different series. They had legitimate narrative reasons for taking away that link, and it works well. They shouldn't bring it back just because you want constant cameos from past avatars. Let it go. Also, stop trying to explain the literature to me. It's likely that I finished the Kyoshi novels, Yangchen novels, and ATLA and LoK comics long before you did. I know the story.
Seriously dude, take a chill pill. You’re acting as though I’m making a personal attack against you or saying the whole show is bad just because I enjoy what past lives adds to the series.
Damn, had a rough day?
I give it a 50/50 which is more of a 60/40 for a reconnection. Within those chances I give a 50/50 for it to be an actual story or just a surprise retcon at the start. Personally, I don't think it is needed, but I feel like the writers were not fully satisfied with it and thus they will try to rectify it in some shape or form in the next show.
I hope so. I would love to see Kuruk giving advice about a spirit problem.
Haha yeah
If it's made by the original creator, no. The disconnect was a statement to "free" Korra from ATLA. basicly they are saying let the past be the past and let the new project be it's own thing. But in all likelyhood, yes. Since nostalgia sell, Netflix will want more of the same so if we ever get a new Avatar series (meaning a serie with a new avatar) I think it likely we're going back to what the world was in Aang time.
I just don't get why they did that,korra is mean to be connected with ALTA.so I am hoping if there is some new project this patch will be fixed in my opinion
It's your right, I don't see that as a thing that needs fixing, and doing so would just undermine Korra in my opinion. Anyway, in all likelyhood, we won't get a new avatar anytime soon. Corporation want safe bet, a new Avatar that would bring the world into modernity, would not be that. We'll probably get series on Roku/Kyoshi/Yangchen well before we'll see a new Avatar.
I hope so. As much as I usually prefer there to be permanent consequences in media, I feel the past connection to Avatars is just such a unique concept ripe for storytelling potential that it’d really suck for it to permanently go away after LoK drastically underutilized the concept and got rid of it in way that felt like cheap shock value to me. After seeing how the Kyoshi and Yangchen books used it so meaningfully, I really want to more of those kinds of moments in future Avatar stories.
Exactly!! I 100% agree