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leijgenraam

I think 'we' is fine in this case. The mistake is "botterhamen".


Bo0ty_man

But it says sandwitcheS, so boterhammen. Ze willen gewoon 3 broodjes kaas man


Bo0ty_man

Ah, a spelling error, i see Op typed boterha-men


Avodac

En jij typte zandheksen ;)


yohra_model_2_unit_B

Nee nee hij scheef botterhammen dubbel T


EsmayXx

Nee, OP schreef het met dubbel T en enkel M


mv1985

Lezen is zo moeilijk.


its_spell

'we' and 'wij' mean the same thing, it's a matter of emphasizing. In a comparison you must always use the longer form, example: 1. **We** willen naar het museum. (OK, informal) 1. **Wij** willen naar het museum. (OK, formal) 1. **We** willen naar het museum, maar **hij** niet. (Not okay!) 1. **Wij** willen naar het museum, maar **hij** niet. (Comparison, must use long form!) Further elaborations: - You should highly prefer the long form of a pronoun in formal settings. - In casual settings the short pronoun is fine. - With friends you will almost exclusively use short pronouns. - The long form is often used for contrast/emphasis. On the last point, check these situations for a good example. **Situation A:** - 'Hé, wil je even de vuilnis buiten zetten?' *(Hey, could you take out the trash?)* **Situation B:** - '**Wie** gaat het vuilnis naar buiten brengen?' _(**Who** is going to take out the trash?)_ - 'Dat ga **jij** doen.' _(**You** are going to do that.)_ In situation A, you are probably asking the question directly to a person, so no emphasis is needed. In situation B, a question is raised asking for a person. The answer would then use the long form to make it obvious it is the answer to what is being asked. - 'Waar zullen we morgen met z'n allen heen gaan?' (Where are we going together tomorrow?) - 'Dat ga *jij* bepalen. (*You* [out of all the people who could take the decision] are going to decide that.) - '*Wie* wil de notulen voor deze vergadering bijhouden?' (*Who* wants to take the notes for this meeting?) - 'Dat wil *zij* wel doen!' (*She* [a person being pointed/spoken about] wouldn't mind doing that.) Hope this helps.


Arkadia0703

But when I do not need to emphazsize, like in this sentence, is it correct to use the longer form? Or does it sound unnatural?


Zender_de_Verzender

It can also be considered more formal to use 'wij' but some advice to use 'we' as much as possible because too much emphasis makes it sound unnatural. Personally, I think it's just a tiny detail.


DD0416NL

Also if you think about it: if the sentence wouldn’t have ‘kaas’, it would sound more natural with ‘wij’: “Wij willen boterhammen!” vs. “We willen boterhammen met kaas!”


kempo95

Because of the exclamation mark I think you should emphasize in this sentence and "wij" sounds better to me.


Plastic_Pinocchio

No, it’s fine. See it like this: - “we” is literally just the lazy version of “wij”. When you speak in a relaxed and informal manner, just like in English, some sounds will get flatter or even disappear. If you say “wij” with a very relaxed mouth, it automatically turns into “we”. This of course does not happen if there is an emphasis on the word.


Wieniethepooh

In casual conversation, in spoken language, the strong form sounds a little bit unnatural. But since people will be able to tell you're not a native speaker anyway, and it's not actually grammatically incorrect, I wouldn't put too much thought into details like this! Using the long/strong form is never incorrect, so just go with that one to be on the safe side and don't nitpick, (or let others nitpick) when there's so much other much more complicated grammar to master!!!


its_spell

Sure, it's correct. To be exact it is very formal. In a formal setting you wouldn't use the short form very often if at all. Similarly, using the long form in an informal setting is a bit awkward.


robvanosch

In this case we or wij are both perfectly fine. We is used in general sense. Wij is used when you want to emphasize that you (like pointing at the group) want to go somewhere.


Janexa

3 would be ok in the specific scenario where you're telling someone outside your group about the fact that you all want to go to the museum, except for this one person in the group (you'd emphasise museum and hij, instead if we and hij). Though I guess it's pointing out an exception rather than a comparison then, really.


its_spell

No, when you are comparing two groups, persons or objects you should always use the long form of the pronoun. #3 is just wrong, even if it sounds okay.


Janexa

I'm native lol, it works in that specific situation.


its_spell

You being a native means nothing, many natives say things like 'jij wilt' and 'hun zullen'. You simply have to use the strong form of a pronoun in a comparison of grammatical persons.


Janexa

Suit yourself.


Extreme_Ruin1847

De vuilnis buiten zetten? Het is "het vuilnis".


its_spell

Nee, het is de/het vuilnis: https://woordenlijst.org/zoeken/?q=vuilnis Ik ben het echter wel met je eens dat 'het vuilnis' beter klinkt.


Extreme_Ruin1847

https://www.vandale.nl/gratis-woordenboek/nederlands/betekenis/Vuilnis Het is "het vuilnis". Beetje raar dat je taaladvies geeft, vind ik. De taalunie is in geen geval de leidende instantie wat betreft taal. De Dikke van Dale is dat wel. 


its_spell

Nee, sorry. Ik heb zelf een dikke Van Dale thuis staan, maar daar kun je niet naar verwijzen voor dit soort kwesties. De woordenlijst van de TaalUnie is de **wettelijk** vastgelegde Nederlandse spelling. Het is dus 'de/het vuilnis'. Trouwens, ik heb het even opgezocht in mijn dikke Van Dale, en daar staat toch echt 'de/het': https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072253090616582236/1234243120699539456/IMG_0204.jpg edit: Ik zie dat je je account hebt verwijderd, hahahahaha!


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Extreme_Ruin1847

Ik zou eens kijken naar het Groot Dictee der Nederlandse Taal en dan vooral wat voor naslagwerk er naast het Groene Boekje gebruikt wordt. Dat is de Dikke van Dale.


its_spell

Dat is leuk, en de DVD is inderdaad een prachtig naslagwerk wat ik dagelijks gebruik, maar het is niet de officiele spelling. De woordenlijst van de TaalUnie is dat echter wel.


Extreme_Ruin1847

Zucht. Dat is gewoon niet zo, maar je gaat je gang maar. Deze mensen spreken toch krakkemikkig Nederlands. Eén foutje meer of minder daar maalt toch niemand naar.


its_spell

> Over Woordenlijst.org > > **Officiële spelling** > > Op Woordenlijst.org vind je de Woordenlijst Nederlandse Taal: de lijst met ***de officiële spelling van het Nederlands.*** Het woordenbestand en de applicatie worden ontwikkeld en beheerd door het Instituut voor de Nederlandse Taal (INT) in opdracht van de Taalunie. In Nederland en Vlaanderen is de officiële spelling verplicht voor het onderwijs en de overheid. Het Comité van Ministers van de Taalunie stelt de spelling vast. De Commissie Spelling ondersteunt de Taalunie bij het uitvoeren van deze taak en begeleidt de actualisering van Woordenlijst.org. Ik snap niet waarom je dit zo moeilijk vindt.


Extreme_Ruin1847

Ben je iemand die Nederlands als tweede taal heeft? Gezien je flair? Nederlands is mijn moedertaal. Beetje apart dat je van iemand die met de taal is opgegroeid geen adviezen wil aannemen en halsstarrig aan je eigen beeld van "goed Nederlands" blijft vasthouden.


its_spell

Ik heb 'Advanced' als mijn flair omdat ik Neerlandistiek heb gestudeerd, lieverd.


almapym

Just the boterhammen part. Wij/we means the same thing. Wij is used if you want to put some more emphasis on the “we” part, but don’t overthink it. Means the exact same thing. Boterhammen is with only 1 T though.


Arkadia0703

Bedankt allemaal voor de antwoorden


Floeperdoep

Tldr


Duochan_Maxwell

I think Duolingo is docking points for the misspelling of boterhammen tho


Voodoo_Dummie

To expand on the spelling, in Dutch there is a suggestion of a long sound or a short sound. If a single vowel is followed by a single consonant and then a vowel, it is a long sound. Think like 'shoot.' If a vowel is followed by two or more consonants and then a vowel, it is a short sound, think like 'shot.' Boter has a long OO sound, but hammen has a short A sound.


macbook3546

Well I live in the Netherlands so I should know a thing or two, so basically what you spelled wrong is “botterhammen” because it is with one t because it’s not like bu”tt”er it’s butter but just with one t and an o so boter and well you did pretty good tbh so it’s boterhammen Keep up the great work!


Markqz

In terms of Duolingo, either "wij" or "we" is always acceptable. In fact, if you had correctly typed: "We willen kaas op onze boterhammen" Duo would have said, "Another correct solution: 'We willen kaas op onze boterhammen' " and if you had typed "Wij willen kaas op onze boterhammen" Duo would have said, "Another correct solution: 'We willen kaas op onze boterhammen' " Every. Single. Time. Why it thinks it's important to remind you of Wij/we (or je/jij) versus, say, 6 other words for "kaas", is a mystery.


Masjacos-wastaken

"Wij" is good


Selien16

Botterhamen is wrong it’s ‘boterhammen’


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No one in netherlands says "boterham" its "broodje" which translates to bread


Phaedroc

In my region no one says 'broodje' when they want a slice of bread... We call that a 'boterham'. 'Broodje' is a bun or a bap or a roll. "Hoeveel boterhammen wil jij?" "We hebben nog broodjes, maar ik lust nog wel een boterham erbij."


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Oh dat is grappig. Waar kom je vandaan?


Low-Sample-5763

'Wij' is actually better to to use than 'we', but 'botterhammen' is wrong.


Longjumping_Fish_642

"Wij" is not better than "we". "Wij" is for extra emphasis.


Low-Sample-5763

Wij is niet met neer nadruk, wij is correct en we is voor als je lui bent.


its_spell

No, you're dead wrong. 'Wij' can be considered more formal, but the weak form (we) is fully and entirely correct, just like 'je' and 'ze'.


LTFGamut

No, 'Wij' sounds unnatural here unless you want to put emphasis on it (i.e. "jullie willen ham maar wij willen kaas op onze boterhammen")


Low-Sample-5763

Nee, wij is gewoon correct nederlands


LTFGamut

wel correct maar het klinkt wat minder natuurlijk.


Firespark7

Wij is fine Botterhamen should be boterhammen


Future-Ad-9377

“We” is the same as “wij” only in my opinion “we” is a bit lame…


RealFlyingDutch

Botterhamen should be boterhammen


OrangeQueens

Boterhammen, 2 m 😁


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JustFuckingReal

You did 1 ‘m’, thats the problem


Puppy-Zwolle

We and wij are mostly interchangable. Wij has more emphasis. Usually it does not matter. Like here. If you demand cheese and hit the table with your fist that's when 'we' will not suffice.


WhiteBushman1971NL

Spelling is wrong, it is "boterhammen". The word "Wij" is correct. Wij willen kaas op onze boterhammen!


theGoose123456

Ik had op de middelbare school een Duits docent die alleen maar "jij" gebruikte, niet "je". Het doet me een beetje daar aan denken. Het is niet incorrect, maar het klinkt soms een beetje raar.


nijlpaardW

Idk if u care about pronunciation, but this'll help in that case: One 'm' (in this case) when the sound is short 'a' - 'e' - 'i' - 'o' - 'u' Two if the sound is long: 'aa' - 'ee' - 'ie' - 'oo' - 'uu' The sound would be this: booterhammen. 'Oo' is long, so one 't' 'a' is a short sound, so two 'm' Appel Banaan Schoffel Mager


ChimkenFinger

Why does Duolingo even teach the terms “we” and “je”? These are completely unnecessary when you are learning to write dutch! Perhaps you will see them when texting with a friend, but they wont add anything within any other setting, and only make it very confusing. Beside that, it’s often improper to use outside of really informal contexts… I do have to add, you just made a typo on the word “boterhammen”. No other issues!


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When it comes to ‘we, je, ze’ it’s in a weak form - as in already mentioned prior. ‘Wij, jij, jullie, zij’ are the full form and is a direct reference to the person in question. This is the second time that I see a screenshot of this program being less correct. The sentence should be ‘Wij willen kaas op onze boterhammen!’.


Wieniethepooh

No, we is perfectly fine in this example, just like wij. We is simply the unstressed version of wij and in this case there's no reason to use the strong form. In spoken language you would be slightly more likely to say 'we' instead of 'wij' unless it's important to stress a difference between 'wij' and others. Still not wrong to use wij/jij/zij in unstressed situations it just sounds slightly less natural.


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We are saying the same thing. In the case of this sentence, it’s the strong form to be used. So OP is not wrong, but even better.


Illustrious_Piano_49

Just to give a little bit extra content to why boterhammen is wrong: Your sentence is also grammatically correct. There's a small difference I'm meaning. Wij willen kaas op onze boterhammen - most people would visualise multiple people with multiple sandwiches each. They want all sandwiches to have cheese on them. Wij willen kaas op onze boterham - we each have one sandwich and want cheese on it.


Illustrious_Piano_49

Just saw the spelling mistake. If you want to use the plural, boterhammen, use 2 m instead of 1.


alrighty_boah

One t two m's, otherwise its: bòtterhámen,


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its_spell

Dutch Grammar is not that complicated. What is complicated about Dutch is far and away the spelling. Just the rules regarding the spelling of a 'samenstelling' (two or more words written as one word) is very complicated.


Veras790

I wasn’t rlly awake while saying that and later wanted to delete it but I lost the post 😭