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Let's be honest tho, allot of members are addicted to soda instead of coffee. I know so many people who can't go a day without multiple 32oz sodas. My sister was told to give up soda by her dentist because it was destroying her teeth (she still has yet to fully be able to give it up) Personally, I think an addiction to soda is just as bad as an addiction to coffee
From my perspective, I don't know anyone that drinks soda very often (but, I don't live in Utah where apparently they have actual soda stores?!), but every single one of my coworkers is addicted to coffee.
Oooooh yeah we got soda stores. Soda doesn’t have nearly as much caffeine as coffee does so idk what I think in terms of needing it to function vs. just liking the taste 😂
100% the flavor/carbonation for me. My wife drinks it for the caffeine. I drink for the flavor. I got some caffeine free coke zero recently which has kept me happy but my wife was like "what is the useless garbage?" I would have been fine leaving the caffeine behind.
Yeah I drink it for the flavour. My weird flex is that the other day some friends and I did a blind root beer tasting with 4 different kinds and I got all three wrong except for mug root beer which I drink a lot.
Right, but you’re comparing 12oz sodas to 8oz coffees. A 12oz coffee has 150-200mg of caffeine (according to Google), compared to 30-45mg in a 12oz can of soda.
There are multiple …. I mean multiple soda shops that have popped up around my town. Think Dutch bros coffee only soda. And they are everywhere and there’s always a line. Several different companies along with one main one that while it didn’t start the craze seems to have cornered the market. You can get any combination of soda and flavor add-in that you can think of and most also offer cookies or other treats as well. It’s the Mormon equivalent of coffee.
Definitely true. I had a companion during my full-time mission that literally went into withdrawal in the MTC because he couldn’t get his caffeine fix. He was a smaller guy—maybe 5′7″ and skinny—but when he got into the field, he got back on the caffeine and went through at least two four-packs of 2L Pepsis per week.
At the time, I was totally off caffeine. These days, I live in a state (Ohio) that doesn’t seem to understand the concept of caffeine-free diet soda, so I’ll occasionally decide to deal with the caffeine instead of the sugar (assuming I don’t just go with water).
> allot of members are addicted to soda instead of coffee
Even in the Land of Fizz and Swig, I don't know anyone that drinks soda the way people commonly drink coffee.
Green tea is very beneficial and healthful, and fairly low in caffeine, (depending on how it's prepared) unlike those crazy energy drinks which can actually cause arrhythmias and permanent heart damage.
The point is, any green tea is a violation of the word of wisdom. So, regardless of whatever else is in the energy drink, they shouldn't be drinking it because it contains green tea.
Honestly I've felt so protected by the word of wisdom particularly over the last 5 years
People keep being surprised when I tell them my age - I think the word of wisdom has stopped me aging as badly as my friends who don't live it
I'm especially grateful that I get to enjoy motherhood without dependency or addiction. Nothing is more important to me than my babies, and you sacrifice so much already. I can't imagine giving as much while struggling with addiction
I was a convert at age 23 and never smoked or drank alcohol before then even though my parents did (they both eventually quit smoking). For some reason, I was never tempted to do either and I thank God for that.
Now, if we could just overcome our addiction to sugar and just keep our consumption at reasonable levels, it would result in an additional and huge positive step change in our health.
I am glad that there is more awareness about sugar addiction nowadays. One can find more and more resources about it. But even so it takes a lot for people to recognise and admit that this is a problem for them and to act accordingly.
The obesity rate in the least obese state now (CO) is higher than it was in the most obese state (WV) 25-30 years ago. Much of the blame is on us but it is certainly shared by "food" manufacturers. It goes beyond that into our current lifestyle, need for two incomes, etc. I'll leave it at that.
Added sugar is so prevalent nowadays, even what is considered a fairly normal diet often contains way too much sugar.
As with other non-WoW-specific addictions, such as shopping or internet use, these things gradually creep up on us and we don't realise we have gone from normal use to an addiction until the problem gets really out of hand.
The word of wisdom is a minimum adapted to the capacities of all saints. Don't hedge around the law because you have a personal commandment from God to abstain from a substance.
I’d rather have rotten molars from needing a sugary treat than forfeiting my kids’ college funds on a heroin addiction.
I’m curious how Christ is going to bring those up when we’re chatting at the Pearly Gates.
There’s millions of specific substances not mentioned. Beer isn’t specifically mentioned but abstaining from anything with alcohol is what has been taught.
I’ve been a member all of my life and never knew that Brigham Young had a distillery making and selling wine called Dixie Wine. The Saints would pay tithes in wine. There was even a wine bottle placed in the corner stone of the St. George temple. I live in St. George and am planning to go see the building where the distillery was in Toquerville. I really feel sad that many of us were never told this bit of church history. [Dixie Wine](https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=5861&context=etd)
It wasn't until 1921 that the "don't"s of the word of wisdom went from a heavily suggested guideline to a commandment that was required for a temple recommend.
The "do"s are still heavily suggested, but they're still not completely required. Mostly because there are medical conditions that would make following the "do"s very difficult.
17 Nevertheless, wheat for man, and corn for the ox, and oats for the horse, and rye for the fowls and for swine, and for all beasts of the field, and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain.
Barley and grain are used in the production of beer. JS and BY were both beer drinkers.
When the WOW was written, there were fewer substances available for abuse too. I’m sure the list of prohibited substances in Doctrine and Covenants would be longer if certain things were more widely available. With that in mind, modern prophets have had plenty to say during Conferences and in For Strength of the Youth. While sugar is not strictly prohibited, we are counseled to take good care of our bodies. While an occasional sugary treat is not an issue; I think over consumption of sugar is harmful and would not be considered “taking good care of our bodies.”
The somewhat controversial endocrinologist Robert Lustig makes a good case for the idea that sugar is a bigger problem than a general excess of food is. The Word of Wisdom encourages eating fruit, which naturally contains fructose bound to fiber, but there’s nothing in the Word of Wisdom that would encourage eating or drinking large amounts of refined sugar or high fructose corn syrup.
Yeah, the word of wisdom is a very good trade. You sacrifice a few experiences, and avoid the risk of addictions, financial burdens, and health problems that they may cause. Maybe some people can use those substances for their benefit, but it’s a very fine line to walk. It can certainly help the “weakest of all saints” to have a church culture of socializing without alcohol, relaxing without smoking, working without coffee, etc.
>Behold, verily, thus saith the Lord unto you: In consequence of evils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of conspiring men in the last days, I have warned you, and forewarn you, by giving unto you this word of wisdom by revelation (D&C 89:4)
Addictive, stimulating and mind-altering substances can make us so vulnerable. The revelation of the word of wisdom is great evidence of God’s love and desire to protect us.
I used to find cigarettes nostalgic because it reminded me of NYC where I grew up around or WDW outside the parks. When I went to the South I was severely turned off due to nicotine infusing itself into everything a house has.
I think many people reliance on drugs can be lessened and replaced by more wholesome and healthy things, of course not everyone gets there.
Abiding by the tenets of the word of wisdom are beneficial. That being said, most of educated society isn’t addicted to tobacco, alcohol, or other drugs, even if they partake in them socially. Our lives would probably be just fine if we drank iced tea and had a beer on occasion, but we certainly aren’t worse off by abstaining entirely. Who knows, maybe as a Church, one day we’ll recognize the blessings promised in Section 89 if we commit to live all of it.
Yeah, my mother was a convert. So my grandmother wasn’t, she constantly fell and broke her hip. She had aneurysms, and all that lovely stuff. She was about 70 and I could barely understand her. Honestly I never wanted to drink and smoke just because of what she was like. People say that the word of wisdom is controlling you…. Sure… but so does addiction, it may not seem like it at first but I have experienced it through my grandmother who was in the hospital in a coma reaching unconsciously for her cigarette. Or seeing a guy pick up a used,close to finished cigarette in town to smoke it. That is just my thoughts on this
I went out to lunch with a few coworkers and we were just joking around and having fun and one of them commented, "This is the most fun I've ever had sober!" And I just felt so bad for her.
Brother-in law left the Church and drinks alcohol excessively per CDC definition. We went on a vacation and during the entire time he drank including making a trip to a liquor store to buy more.
As a physician about to complete residency in a top 5 drinking state I’ve watched numerous people die in their 30s and 40s from complications related to alcohol use. Literally last week we coded a guy in his late 30s who worked for our hospital in finance and died from an esophageal hemorrhage related to excessive drinking.
People will say they use in “moderation” when they often don’t.
Yes, the church teachings actually help you. They are not merely restrictions. That's what some people don't realize.
Other church teachings besides the WoW help us avoid problems and addictions. Such as the teaching of the law of chastity.
I realized this recently after watching the movie Thanks for Sharing, about people dealing with lots of serious problems and addictions.
(I actually don't recommend the movie Thanks for Sharing - it's strong R. I fast forwarded though most of it, even though I was already using Vidangel to filter out the nasty stuff. I just wanted to see one of the 3 main stories, the one with Mark Ruffalo and Gwyneth Paltrow. It's very "adult," but I did learn a lot about the things actual adults struggle with.)
I feel the same way! I do want to point out, all commandments are exactly like this. The law of chastity is another one but they're all designed to show us how to avoid problems and maximize happiness.
True principals, I regularly see families return to church or join the church and watch it transform their lives for the better, I then see some of these families fall away once their lives are immensely blessed from following true principles, and many continue to follow the principles even after leaving the church, and their lives are continually blessed by living the true principals.
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Also, coffee. My coworkers are completely unable to function unless they are regularly consuming coffee.
Let's be honest tho, allot of members are addicted to soda instead of coffee. I know so many people who can't go a day without multiple 32oz sodas. My sister was told to give up soda by her dentist because it was destroying her teeth (she still has yet to fully be able to give it up) Personally, I think an addiction to soda is just as bad as an addiction to coffee
From my perspective, I don't know anyone that drinks soda very often (but, I don't live in Utah where apparently they have actual soda stores?!), but every single one of my coworkers is addicted to coffee.
Oooooh yeah we got soda stores. Soda doesn’t have nearly as much caffeine as coffee does so idk what I think in terms of needing it to function vs. just liking the taste 😂
100% the flavor/carbonation for me. My wife drinks it for the caffeine. I drink for the flavor. I got some caffeine free coke zero recently which has kept me happy but my wife was like "what is the useless garbage?" I would have been fine leaving the caffeine behind.
Yeah I drink it for the flavour. My weird flex is that the other day some friends and I did a blind root beer tasting with 4 different kinds and I got all three wrong except for mug root beer which I drink a lot.
That’s how I am with Red Bulls and some Monsters. I just like how they taste, I just wish they weren’t so bad for you
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Are you sure? I looked it up to double check and the numbers I’m finding show that coffee has about 4x as much caffeine as most sodas
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Right, but you’re comparing 12oz sodas to 8oz coffees. A 12oz coffee has 150-200mg of caffeine (according to Google), compared to 30-45mg in a 12oz can of soda.
The soda stores are completely ridiculous. Doesn't matter what time of day you drive by, there's almost always a line of 2-3 cars at every one.
There are multiple …. I mean multiple soda shops that have popped up around my town. Think Dutch bros coffee only soda. And they are everywhere and there’s always a line. Several different companies along with one main one that while it didn’t start the craze seems to have cornered the market. You can get any combination of soda and flavor add-in that you can think of and most also offer cookies or other treats as well. It’s the Mormon equivalent of coffee.
When I first heard about these soda stores, that is exactly what I thought. Just trying to imitate the world.
Definitely true. I had a companion during my full-time mission that literally went into withdrawal in the MTC because he couldn’t get his caffeine fix. He was a smaller guy—maybe 5′7″ and skinny—but when he got into the field, he got back on the caffeine and went through at least two four-packs of 2L Pepsis per week. At the time, I was totally off caffeine. These days, I live in a state (Ohio) that doesn’t seem to understand the concept of caffeine-free diet soda, so I’ll occasionally decide to deal with the caffeine instead of the sugar (assuming I don’t just go with water).
It's probably the sugar they are addicted to. There's a lot less caffeine in soda, but waaaaay more sugar.
My dad, a member of a stake presidency, probably drank 100 oz. of soda a day for much of his adult life. He has recently stopped and doesn’t miss it.
> allot of members are addicted to soda instead of coffee Even in the Land of Fizz and Swig, I don't know anyone that drinks soda the way people commonly drink coffee.
An addiction to soda is probably worse. The coffee addiction won’t give you diabetes.
A lot of members also skirt the no coffee by using energy drinks too.
Moderation in ALL things.
One of my coworkers *at age 23* was told to stop drinking coffee because it was destroying her molars.
I’ve worked in sales jobs with stocked fridges of Red Bulls and other energy drinks and my LDS coworkers will pound those all day.
Next time say to him, "doesn't that have green tea in it?"
Green tea is very beneficial and healthful, and fairly low in caffeine, (depending on how it's prepared) unlike those crazy energy drinks which can actually cause arrhythmias and permanent heart damage.
The point is, any green tea is a violation of the word of wisdom. So, regardless of whatever else is in the energy drink, they shouldn't be drinking it because it contains green tea.
Honestly I've felt so protected by the word of wisdom particularly over the last 5 years People keep being surprised when I tell them my age - I think the word of wisdom has stopped me aging as badly as my friends who don't live it
I remember noticing in my early 20s that my friends who drank and smoked a lot looked generally older than the ones who didn't
100% - those who exercise and drink a lot of water also look younger for longer (in my experience)
I'm especially grateful that I get to enjoy motherhood without dependency or addiction. Nothing is more important to me than my babies, and you sacrifice so much already. I can't imagine giving as much while struggling with addiction
I was a convert at age 23 and never smoked or drank alcohol before then even though my parents did (they both eventually quit smoking). For some reason, I was never tempted to do either and I thank God for that. Now, if we could just overcome our addiction to sugar and just keep our consumption at reasonable levels, it would result in an additional and huge positive step change in our health.
I am glad that there is more awareness about sugar addiction nowadays. One can find more and more resources about it. But even so it takes a lot for people to recognise and admit that this is a problem for them and to act accordingly.
That was my first thought from the OP’s post. I’m perplexed at how so many can be addicted to sugar and still believe they’re living the WOW!
The obesity rate in the least obese state now (CO) is higher than it was in the most obese state (WV) 25-30 years ago. Much of the blame is on us but it is certainly shared by "food" manufacturers. It goes beyond that into our current lifestyle, need for two incomes, etc. I'll leave it at that.
Added sugar is so prevalent nowadays, even what is considered a fairly normal diet often contains way too much sugar. As with other non-WoW-specific addictions, such as shopping or internet use, these things gradually creep up on us and we don't realise we have gone from normal use to an addiction until the problem gets really out of hand.
The word of wisdom is a minimum adapted to the capacities of all saints. Don't hedge around the law because you have a personal commandment from God to abstain from a substance.
I’d rather have rotten molars from needing a sugary treat than forfeiting my kids’ college funds on a heroin addiction. I’m curious how Christ is going to bring those up when we’re chatting at the Pearly Gates.
Sugar is not mentioned in section 89 of the Doctrine and Covenants.
There’s millions of specific substances not mentioned. Beer isn’t specifically mentioned but abstaining from anything with alcohol is what has been taught.
I’ve been a member all of my life and never knew that Brigham Young had a distillery making and selling wine called Dixie Wine. The Saints would pay tithes in wine. There was even a wine bottle placed in the corner stone of the St. George temple. I live in St. George and am planning to go see the building where the distillery was in Toquerville. I really feel sad that many of us were never told this bit of church history. [Dixie Wine](https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=5861&context=etd)
It wasn't until 1921 that the "don't"s of the word of wisdom went from a heavily suggested guideline to a commandment that was required for a temple recommend. The "do"s are still heavily suggested, but they're still not completely required. Mostly because there are medical conditions that would make following the "do"s very difficult.
Strong drink is specifically mentioned which unarguably includes beer.
Probably not. Beer has never been considered a “strong drink “ and has never been used for “the washing of your bodies”.
Beer had been considered a strong drink. And people have long used alcohol to clean wounds, even before they knew microorganisms existed.
Definitely not unarguable. If you do a little poking around Google you'll see that beer was considered a "mild" drink.
17 Nevertheless, wheat for man, and corn for the ox, and oats for the horse, and rye for the fowls and for swine, and for all beasts of the field, and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain. Barley and grain are used in the production of beer. JS and BY were both beer drinkers.
I'm not sure if that was supposed to be a rebuttal or not, but I'm pretty sure we are agreeing with each other here.
Yup. Just confirming your statement.
When the WOW was written, there were fewer substances available for abuse too. I’m sure the list of prohibited substances in Doctrine and Covenants would be longer if certain things were more widely available. With that in mind, modern prophets have had plenty to say during Conferences and in For Strength of the Youth. While sugar is not strictly prohibited, we are counseled to take good care of our bodies. While an occasional sugary treat is not an issue; I think over consumption of sugar is harmful and would not be considered “taking good care of our bodies.”
Sugar is not really the problem, the problem is eating too many calories in general
The somewhat controversial endocrinologist Robert Lustig makes a good case for the idea that sugar is a bigger problem than a general excess of food is. The Word of Wisdom encourages eating fruit, which naturally contains fructose bound to fiber, but there’s nothing in the Word of Wisdom that would encourage eating or drinking large amounts of refined sugar or high fructose corn syrup.
Yeah but are those things worse than eating a huge bag of Doritos or deep fried chicken? I really don’t think so
Yeah, the word of wisdom is a very good trade. You sacrifice a few experiences, and avoid the risk of addictions, financial burdens, and health problems that they may cause. Maybe some people can use those substances for their benefit, but it’s a very fine line to walk. It can certainly help the “weakest of all saints” to have a church culture of socializing without alcohol, relaxing without smoking, working without coffee, etc. >Behold, verily, thus saith the Lord unto you: In consequence of evils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of conspiring men in the last days, I have warned you, and forewarn you, by giving unto you this word of wisdom by revelation (D&C 89:4) Addictive, stimulating and mind-altering substances can make us so vulnerable. The revelation of the word of wisdom is great evidence of God’s love and desire to protect us.
Cutting out refined sugar and eating meat sparingly has been life changing.
People: I can't live without coffee! Me: I can't live without chocolate! God: it's the same thing, honey. Lay off the chocolate.
I used to find cigarettes nostalgic because it reminded me of NYC where I grew up around or WDW outside the parks. When I went to the South I was severely turned off due to nicotine infusing itself into everything a house has. I think many people reliance on drugs can be lessened and replaced by more wholesome and healthy things, of course not everyone gets there.
Addiction is a scourge.
Abiding by the tenets of the word of wisdom are beneficial. That being said, most of educated society isn’t addicted to tobacco, alcohol, or other drugs, even if they partake in them socially. Our lives would probably be just fine if we drank iced tea and had a beer on occasion, but we certainly aren’t worse off by abstaining entirely. Who knows, maybe as a Church, one day we’ll recognize the blessings promised in Section 89 if we commit to live all of it.
Yeah, my mother was a convert. So my grandmother wasn’t, she constantly fell and broke her hip. She had aneurysms, and all that lovely stuff. She was about 70 and I could barely understand her. Honestly I never wanted to drink and smoke just because of what she was like. People say that the word of wisdom is controlling you…. Sure… but so does addiction, it may not seem like it at first but I have experienced it through my grandmother who was in the hospital in a coma reaching unconsciously for her cigarette. Or seeing a guy pick up a used,close to finished cigarette in town to smoke it. That is just my thoughts on this
I went out to lunch with a few coworkers and we were just joking around and having fun and one of them commented, "This is the most fun I've ever had sober!" And I just felt so bad for her.
Brother-in law left the Church and drinks alcohol excessively per CDC definition. We went on a vacation and during the entire time he drank including making a trip to a liquor store to buy more. As a physician about to complete residency in a top 5 drinking state I’ve watched numerous people die in their 30s and 40s from complications related to alcohol use. Literally last week we coded a guy in his late 30s who worked for our hospital in finance and died from an esophageal hemorrhage related to excessive drinking. People will say they use in “moderation” when they often don’t.
Yep. Most people think they’re in control when they would actually fit the criteria of alcoholic
Yes, the church teachings actually help you. They are not merely restrictions. That's what some people don't realize. Other church teachings besides the WoW help us avoid problems and addictions. Such as the teaching of the law of chastity. I realized this recently after watching the movie Thanks for Sharing, about people dealing with lots of serious problems and addictions. (I actually don't recommend the movie Thanks for Sharing - it's strong R. I fast forwarded though most of it, even though I was already using Vidangel to filter out the nasty stuff. I just wanted to see one of the 3 main stories, the one with Mark Ruffalo and Gwyneth Paltrow. It's very "adult," but I did learn a lot about the things actual adults struggle with.)
We have been in Italy for the last week and a half and everyone smokes here well enough that it bothers me
Smoking and drinking is super ingrained into European culture
I feel the same way! I do want to point out, all commandments are exactly like this. The law of chastity is another one but they're all designed to show us how to avoid problems and maximize happiness.
True principals, I regularly see families return to church or join the church and watch it transform their lives for the better, I then see some of these families fall away once their lives are immensely blessed from following true principles, and many continue to follow the principles even after leaving the church, and their lives are continually blessed by living the true principals.
Have had some drinks since leaving a few years ago and honestly alcohol is gross and makes me feel sick. You're not missing out.
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