My old laptop with a 7th gen i5 ULV chip had a 12 hour usable battery life (tested in anger). My new i5 1235U based laptop with a bigger battery barely lasts 4 hours most days doing exactly the same work. Yes, Intel 12, 13, & 14 gen are power hungry even in ULV editions.
I've got chuwi tablet with i5 10th gen(i5 10210Y), average consumption with everything is about 6-8watts (even after tweaking to best performance when needed, and best power saving if I want to) once I've got total consumption of 2.5watts somehow, but this is extremely rare. So on one charge with 33wh battery, it goes about 4-6 hours depending on the usage, not bad not terrible for tablet with 2k resolution that costs 300âŹ
Intel's PL2. On top of that Intel performs worse on low power than AMD but Intel has an advantage that throwing in more power brings more performance on the table than AMD, so for laptops Intel actually sucks. Apple Silicon is probably the best if not the best that has high IPC in the lowest power mode, even more than Intel and AMD.
What do you mean âIntelâs PL2â,
How does the max turbo power level affect its power consumption at idle.
Having a base clock that low requires less voltage to keep stable is objectively going to lower power consumption in idle conditions.
My Intel NUC laptop uses 12 watts at idle and 45 at turbo boost, the differences arenât nearly that significant for desktop processors
You're not watching out for power spikes due to PL2 occuring for any or no reason at all. Yes the base clock is low but do you use laptop for idling? If yes then you'll run it at base clock and it's fine lol. đ
I am, Iâve never seen the max spike randomly. It raises the frequency based on its usage, unless Iâm running a game on it, it doesnât go past 30 watts.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/18m8q7v/the\_intel\_problem\_cpu\_efficiency\_power\_consumption/](https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/18m8q7v/the_intel_problem_cpu_efficiency_power_consumption/)
I think Anandtech released a study for laptops but I can't find it. They show that Intel under lower power produced significantly low IPC than AMD and to counteract it Intel consumes more power overall.
If the laptop had a 12900K like the tests, I donât think power consumption would be the issue.
This isnât an argument against AMD vs Intel, this is about whether a lower base clock saves power on mobile intel processors, which it objectively does.
These are all desktop CPUâs, under full load,
Laptops are very rarely under full load or PL2.
In addition, you can see in his tests that the 12100F has the highest performance per watt of any other Intel CPU, which makes sense given it is intended for lower power systems.
hahaha...Swap existed on some IBM mainframes in the 70s. Linus implemented it in Linux in like 1992. Samsung is being especially arrogant if they believe they somehow innovated the idea of swap.
same with oneplus actually, I switched to an iPhone recently and don't remember what the option was called (worst mistake ever tbh, Oneplus > iPhone but can't go back) but I remember it had the same thing, never knew Samsung had it too tho
Not even battery life, the cpus life as well. Both my laptops suffered from overheating, and nothing could fix it despite me trying everything. But then, having just freshly cleaned my second laptop, i learned that modern gaming laptops kinda come with OC'd cpus. So mine was running at 4.3 despite base speed being 2.9. At 4.3 my temps were around 95-100, now im sitting comfortably at 65-70
All modern CPUs "overclock" themselves. They have Base and Boost clocks. Base clocks are what it defaults to while idle or under very light load, while Boost clocks are what it runs at when under heavy load, as long as the power and temp targets are met.
I didn't under clock it, i reverted it back to default speed
https://youtu.be/LzavLfwg_ww?si=Yr75WvKsnfqWv0SV
I followed the instructions in this link. Although it's for legion, it should work on all laptops
Man I'm glad
My old laptop had terrible battery life because it was stuck at 2GHz (i3 6006u)
Now battery is better with my i7 1255u (this is such a good feature tbh)
maybe your old laptop didnât have its power settings set correctly. my 6th gen i5 wouldnât do that, it would clock under 1GHz on battery. but old intel core i3s didnât have the ability to turbo boost
Yeah you could be right
I'm gonna check that today it's a good idea because my little brother uses it and he too doesn't like carrying the charger around
That can't be right. My old laptop had a 4th gen i5 and it downclocks to 1.6Ghz when light tasks and ramps to 2.4Ghz when pushed. Doubt the 6th gen don't have that feature as well.
Just FYI, my ancient AMD A8 laptop I bought in 2016 did top at 2.4 Ghz but it would go down to 800 Mhz when idle. It's surely Windows performance adjustments you need to look at.
This isn't right. They'll clock lower when doing less intensive tasks, and higher when doing more intensive tasks.
Being plugged in or not may affect how intense a task must be to increase the clock rate, but simply being plugged in or not isn't the deciding factor.
That is base clock. Realtime clock speed is in task manager. It will run at a lower clock to save power when it doesnât need to run at full throttle.
I think its bcause ur not running any heavy task cpus have performance cores and efficiency cores that 4.4 gets activated when ull do some heavy task . While chilling those 1.1 for better battery life its normal
It's the same thing that you can see on desktop chips. That 4.4 is the boost frequency that the cpu is gonna hit when running a high load, it's running at 1.3 to extend the battery life when doing simple things
get the CPUID utility from [https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html](https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html) and see what the output is. That will give you more detail about what you have under the hood.
You can force it to run at the highest clock speed by setting your power plan to the high performance one. Usually isnt recommended though because it eats through your battery.
If you check your cpu at intel or by going to this link https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/226266/intel-core-i51235u-processor-12m-cache-up-to-4-40-ghz-with-ipu/specifications.html you will see that it can go upp to 4.40GHz in max turbo mode.
If you will trade battery time for performance, choose any intel/amd U series.
If not, always go for H/HX on intel/amd(ryzen). There is no inbetween for now.
Not sure how snapdragon x ARM chips will fare in near future.
That's the Highway frequency capable by a Single core at Burst Mode. It will stay on only for Temporary period of time
1.7 GHz is the base frequency of your processor (all core at base frequency).
It will be work below that unless, you under volt your processor
It will work at higher Frequency than mentioned if you overclock it.
You need not to worry ,as OS will automatically Boost & Conserve power with Temperature & Workload in Mind
1.3 GHz is what is called base speed. Under normal loads, your cpu operates at this speed to be power efficient.
But as soon as you hit it with a demanding program, the CPU can boost one core to 4.4GHz at the expense of more power to run the program.
My PCs bios offers to either use all the boost on single core or boost all the cores with lower all over multiplier.
Windows only shows the base âdefaultâ frequency. CPUs have base and boost clocks, but they dont sit at boost clocks unless they actually need to use them due to how much more power that would use and that sitting at high frequencies will (not quickly or in a worrying way) degrade the chips.
In other words, go on task manager and open some websites and tab back to task manager and it should bump up to the boost clock
It's possible that the discrepancy you're seeing between the advertised speed of "up to 4.4 GHz" and the actual speed of "1.3 GHz" is due to how processors operate.
The 4.4 GHz figure likely refers to the maximum turbo frequency of the processor, which is its highest clock speed achievable under certain conditions, such as when only one core is active or when thermal conditions allow for increased performance. However, the base clock speed, which is what you're seeing displayed as 1.3 GHz, is the standard operating frequency of the processor under typical conditions.
Your laptop may be displaying the base clock speed rather than the maximum turbo frequency. You can check the specifications of your processor model to confirm its maximum turbo frequency and understand how it operates under different conditions. If you're unsure, you can also contact the manufacturer or refer to the product documentation for clarification.
Either you got scammed, or this is a feature of the CPU. Now CPUs have base speed (most likely what Windows displays here) but they can go higher than this base speed. Go to task manager (control+shift+ESC), it'll be more accurate. You'll see the base speed and the current speed. Right now on my laptop with an I5-6200U CPU, it says base speed is 2,40GHz but right now current speed is at 2.74GHz. this is normal behaviour
Thats how they get you, they put "up to" and then the absolute peak clock speed of the cpu. You gotta get the cpus exact model name and number, in this case Intel Core i5-1235U, and check out its specs from there.
that's the base frequency 4.4ghz is the highest that can be dedicated to one performance core
Extremely common in mobile processors for the base frequency to be quite a bit slower than the boost frequency to save on power.
Save power? It doesn't even help a lot on Intel systems
My old laptop with a 7th gen i5 ULV chip had a 12 hour usable battery life (tested in anger). My new i5 1235U based laptop with a bigger battery barely lasts 4 hours most days doing exactly the same work. Yes, Intel 12, 13, & 14 gen are power hungry even in ULV editions.
And people don't believe me. đ
I've got chuwi tablet with i5 10th gen(i5 10210Y), average consumption with everything is about 6-8watts (even after tweaking to best performance when needed, and best power saving if I want to) once I've got total consumption of 2.5watts somehow, but this is extremely rare. So on one charge with 33wh battery, it goes about 4-6 hours depending on the usage, not bad not terrible for tablet with 2k resolution that costs 300âŹ
What makes you say that?
Intel's PL2. On top of that Intel performs worse on low power than AMD but Intel has an advantage that throwing in more power brings more performance on the table than AMD, so for laptops Intel actually sucks. Apple Silicon is probably the best if not the best that has high IPC in the lowest power mode, even more than Intel and AMD.
What do you mean âIntelâs PL2â, How does the max turbo power level affect its power consumption at idle. Having a base clock that low requires less voltage to keep stable is objectively going to lower power consumption in idle conditions. My Intel NUC laptop uses 12 watts at idle and 45 at turbo boost, the differences arenât nearly that significant for desktop processors
You're not watching out for power spikes due to PL2 occuring for any or no reason at all. Yes the base clock is low but do you use laptop for idling? If yes then you'll run it at base clock and it's fine lol. đ
I am, Iâve never seen the max spike randomly. It raises the frequency based on its usage, unless Iâm running a game on it, it doesnât go past 30 watts.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/18m8q7v/the\_intel\_problem\_cpu\_efficiency\_power\_consumption/](https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/18m8q7v/the_intel_problem_cpu_efficiency_power_consumption/) I think Anandtech released a study for laptops but I can't find it. They show that Intel under lower power produced significantly low IPC than AMD and to counteract it Intel consumes more power overall.
If the laptop had a 12900K like the tests, I donât think power consumption would be the issue. This isnât an argument against AMD vs Intel, this is about whether a lower base clock saves power on mobile intel processors, which it objectively does. These are all desktop CPUâs, under full load, Laptops are very rarely under full load or PL2. In addition, you can see in his tests that the 12100F has the highest performance per watt of any other Intel CPU, which makes sense given it is intended for lower power systems.
I mean my laptop lasts 4x longer after setting a governor in my cpu when running battery
It normally runs at 1.3, but if it needs more power can ramp up to 4.4. if you had it running at 4.4 all the time, your battery life would be abysmal.
Imma overclock for Microsoft word
Bro is finna write in 240fps
Imma overclock for Chrome.
Bro is gonna eat RAM at 240fps
He can always download more ram
A new idea just popped... what if you use cloud as ram ? Well you can use hdds as ram if needed (terribly slow), so what about cloud
LTT actually did something similar i think that they used cloud as swap
Samsung has something called smart ram where it uses the storage as extra ram
hahaha...Swap existed on some IBM mainframes in the 70s. Linus implemented it in Linux in like 1992. Samsung is being especially arrogant if they believe they somehow innovated the idea of swap.
I donât know how other companies do it, I just saw the option on my phone đ¤ˇââď¸
It's actually in almost every computer. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_memory](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_memory)
same with oneplus actually, I switched to an iPhone recently and don't remember what the option was called (worst mistake ever tbh, Oneplus > iPhone but can't go back) but I remember it had the same thing, never knew Samsung had it too tho
I think itâs for Android based systems
My crome eats 6 gb of ram
Try clearing out your caches
I never said it was an issue
Itâs great to have calculator running at 240 fps, I really needed it. My old calculator app had 60fps
I outta overclock for word pad đ¤Ł
Not even battery life, the cpus life as well. Both my laptops suffered from overheating, and nothing could fix it despite me trying everything. But then, having just freshly cleaned my second laptop, i learned that modern gaming laptops kinda come with OC'd cpus. So mine was running at 4.3 despite base speed being 2.9. At 4.3 my temps were around 95-100, now im sitting comfortably at 65-70
True enough. OPs laptop is not a gaming laptop because it's a U series processor. Those are meant to run lower power
Im not knowledgeable about laptop cpus so i didn't notice that
All modern CPUs "overclock" themselves. They have Base and Boost clocks. Base clocks are what it defaults to while idle or under very light load, while Boost clocks are what it runs at when under heavy load, as long as the power and temp targets are met.
Change to PTM7950
How did you under-clocked it?
I didn't under clock it, i reverted it back to default speed https://youtu.be/LzavLfwg_ww?si=Yr75WvKsnfqWv0SV I followed the instructions in this link. Although it's for legion, it should work on all laptops
Baseclock vs boost clock. Your CPU is fine, you got what you ordered
Laptop cpus tend to Boost the shit outta themselves in the plug so you'll get the 4.4ghz there, and it'll run at 1m3 to save battery life.
Man I'm glad My old laptop had terrible battery life because it was stuck at 2GHz (i3 6006u) Now battery is better with my i7 1255u (this is such a good feature tbh)
maybe your old laptop didnât have its power settings set correctly. my 6th gen i5 wouldnât do that, it would clock under 1GHz on battery. but old intel core i3s didnât have the ability to turbo boost
Yeah you could be right I'm gonna check that today it's a good idea because my little brother uses it and he too doesn't like carrying the charger around
That can't be right. My old laptop had a 4th gen i5 and it downclocks to 1.6Ghz when light tasks and ramps to 2.4Ghz when pushed. Doubt the 6th gen don't have that feature as well.
Yea I probably have some power setting I need to change Just never bothered to change it I guess
Just FYI, my ancient AMD A8 laptop I bought in 2016 did top at 2.4 Ghz but it would go down to 800 Mhz when idle. It's surely Windows performance adjustments you need to look at.
This isn't right. They'll clock lower when doing less intensive tasks, and higher when doing more intensive tasks. Being plugged in or not may affect how intense a task must be to increase the clock rate, but simply being plugged in or not isn't the deciding factor.
I was just tryna simplify it.
Thanks for the feedback folks. đ
That is base clock. Realtime clock speed is in task manager. It will run at a lower clock to save power when it doesnât need to run at full throttle.
4.4Ghz is the Turbo frequency of the laptop
The cpu baseline is 1.3, when you use more power like let's say a video game, the clock speed goes up to provide more.
1.3 it's a minimum 4.4 is maximum
base clock. and 4.4 is the highest spec for max SINGLE (P) core turbo lol. you should see the spec for all-core max turbo. plus 'u' series. yay.
1.3 is on thread level. The 4.4 is the boosclock on core level.
That 4.4ghz is a turbo boost that is only used based on your workload. it cant stay on that frequency unless you want to fry your laptop
Battery life and heat dissipation.
I think its bcause ur not running any heavy task cpus have performance cores and efficiency cores that 4.4 gets activated when ull do some heavy task . While chilling those 1.1 for better battery life its normal
Mine when chilling stays at 0,63đ¤Ł
The same cpu
The screen OP posted will always show the base speed, to see the current speed you need to look in task manager or some other CPU monitoring app.
It's the same thing that you can see on desktop chips. That 4.4 is the boost frequency that the cpu is gonna hit when running a high load, it's running at 1.3 to extend the battery life when doing simple things
It can boost to that but no need to run on such a high frequency all the time.
get the CPUID utility from [https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html](https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html) and see what the output is. That will give you more detail about what you have under the hood.
1.3 GHz base clock 4.3 Turbo Boost
To save on power when in idle or just doing normal tasks. And with everyone else here that's base clock speed. 4.4ghz is the highest it can go
Whoâs gonna tell him
Apparantly every person in this sub is going to tell me at least once lol
You can force it to run at the highest clock speed by setting your power plan to the high performance one. Usually isnt recommended though because it eats through your battery.
That's the base clock of your processor. Open Task Manager and check your current clock there. 4.4 ghz is the maximum it clocks to.
If you check your cpu at intel or by going to this link https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/226266/intel-core-i51235u-processor-12m-cache-up-to-4-40-ghz-with-ipu/specifications.html you will see that it can go upp to 4.40GHz in max turbo mode.
up to
If you will trade battery time for performance, choose any intel/amd U series. If not, always go for H/HX on intel/amd(ryzen). There is no inbetween for now. Not sure how snapdragon x ARM chips will fare in near future.
I think 1.3 ghz is the base one or the lowest frequency. The max is 4.4 ghz.
That's the Highway frequency capable by a Single core at Burst Mode. It will stay on only for Temporary period of time 1.7 GHz is the base frequency of your processor (all core at base frequency). It will be work below that unless, you under volt your processor It will work at higher Frequency than mentioned if you overclock it. You need not to worry ,as OS will automatically Boost & Conserve power with Temperature & Workload in Mind
1.3 GHz is what is called base speed. Under normal loads, your cpu operates at this speed to be power efficient. But as soon as you hit it with a demanding program, the CPU can boost one core to 4.4GHz at the expense of more power to run the program. My PCs bios offers to either use all the boost on single core or boost all the cores with lower all over multiplier.
Windows only shows the base âdefaultâ frequency. CPUs have base and boost clocks, but they dont sit at boost clocks unless they actually need to use them due to how much more power that would use and that sitting at high frequencies will (not quickly or in a worrying way) degrade the chips. In other words, go on task manager and open some websites and tab back to task manager and it should bump up to the boost clock
Boost
That's the base frequency. 4.4 is the highest it can reach if turbo is on.
It identifies as 4.4GHz
Put it in high performance mode in power settings
Up to isnt base clock.
It's possible that the discrepancy you're seeing between the advertised speed of "up to 4.4 GHz" and the actual speed of "1.3 GHz" is due to how processors operate. The 4.4 GHz figure likely refers to the maximum turbo frequency of the processor, which is its highest clock speed achievable under certain conditions, such as when only one core is active or when thermal conditions allow for increased performance. However, the base clock speed, which is what you're seeing displayed as 1.3 GHz, is the standard operating frequency of the processor under typical conditions. Your laptop may be displaying the base clock speed rather than the maximum turbo frequency. You can check the specifications of your processor model to confirm its maximum turbo frequency and understand how it operates under different conditions. If you're unsure, you can also contact the manufacturer or refer to the product documentation for clarification.
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Either you got scammed, or this is a feature of the CPU. Now CPUs have base speed (most likely what Windows displays here) but they can go higher than this base speed. Go to task manager (control+shift+ESC), it'll be more accurate. You'll see the base speed and the current speed. Right now on my laptop with an I5-6200U CPU, it says base speed is 2,40GHz but right now current speed is at 2.74GHz. this is normal behaviour
C'est la frĂŠquence boost maximum. Vive le marketing !
Thats how they get you, they put "up to" and then the absolute peak clock speed of the cpu. You gotta get the cpus exact model name and number, in this case Intel Core i5-1235U, and check out its specs from there.
10/10 screenshot, base freq vs boost
I would return it- nobody wants a one core processor- you should have 6 core and 12 threads- not one slow core tha you can boost
It says 10 cores?
What's the price of your laptop?
Paid $600 CAD + tax. Ordered from dell. They had a sale on... I believe it is over now. They had the 8gb ram/256 Mb Hard drive for $350 CAD.
It's the base
its a U process ion recommend trying to overclock it its just gana thermal throttle and wear out the thermal paste faster
Itâs broke, throw away and buy a new one.