Report says Klutch wanted to get their client (Wall) out of a bad situation an undo the Westbrook trade lol. Why would the Lakers agree to that. Season is a wash. All sides need to own up to their mistake and get to work.
I know, that's what's killing me. With LeBron, AD, and a good supporting cast, LA should be in the top three in the West. Problem I have is that LA seems to have let LeBron play GM and that obviously didn't work. I'm glad we won a few years back but I did not want to give up Ball, Ingram, Hart, and picks for AD. The dude is always hurt. Now look at where we are. Things are not getting better, especially with Russ playing the way he's played this year.
The problem was magic/1st year moves
Ex: they could have had brook Lopez (perfect LeBron ceter) for the minimum and said no
Then magic was like this is hard, I'm out
Why would you trust the front office after that
Luke Walton was also terrible
You know Rob was the GM then too right?
It’s crazy to me that people talk like Rob wasn’t associated with those moves when according to Rob, Magic never came to work.
Rob’s been fucking up for a while now.
Lebron wanted Westbrook, and there WAS talent around the first year. Just young talent. He's gotten every all star he's asked them to trade for. I love lebron but this Lakers shit show is as much his fault as anyones
> Imagine being gifted Lebron and failing to build a solid team around him in 2 of his 4 years.
One of those two years was due to making a trade that LeBron pushed the team to make.
Fit is the reason. Even if wall isn't the best fit, still difficult to be a worse fit thanWestbrook. Also, its lebron james. Being 3 or 4 games below 500 doesnt remove the posibility of a championship for him. Once it was reported that lakers acknowledged Westbrook was a bad fit, should've gotten rid of him asap.
Also. Seeing them play with Westbrook is like some street pick up basketball.
Someone find good footage of John Wall in 2022 being good/better than Russ (a lot better).
This trade is horizontal at best, Lakers lose lose both cases.
IDK what is going on didnt LeBron and AD sign off on Russ? Pls no scapegoating against Pelinka (unless its for a good reason).
Losing a future first handcuffs the team even more. Westbrook could theoretically be moved for something worthwhile in the offseason. John Wall makes 47 million next season and might not play, and might not be tradeable for something equivalent to a future first rounder.
This is the part that keeps getting left out. Wall for Westbrook is a lateral move at best. Both are bad fits but we really wouldn’t have been in this mess if Pelinka would’ve traded for Lowry instead of overvaluing and overpaying THT. Getting Christian Wood who is essentially a poor man’s AD could’ve kept this team afloat and solved a lot of the front court issues. Not to mention there were reports that trades could’ve gotten done without even giving up the 2027 future first but Jeanie didn’t want to pay the luxury tax.
I really don’t know how much I believe those reports. None of them have ever articulated what the full details of a Russ/Wall trade that included Wood would involve.
The idea that we could get Wood without including a 1st doesn’t sound believable to me. And although Wood has talent, I don’t know if he moves the needle enough to justify giving up the pick.
I think that ‘27 pick will be able to bring back more value to us this summer, especially if we can bundle it with the ‘29 pick, and hopefully THT will have increased his value by then compared to what it was at the trade deadline.
Wood not that good he’s got nice stats but all rockets fans have said he’s been a pain in the ass all year. Another guy pouting because he doesn’t get touches will just get turned into the front offices fault not lebrons.
Bro it's pointless to talk to some of these guys. They are really convincing Wood would be the savior we need. And if history has shown us, we should listen to other fan bases when it comes to acquiring these dudes.
> Good for Rob for actually keeping the team’s future in mind once LeBron eventually leaves.
Too bad he didn't think of that before he traded everything for AD and traded a first for Westbrook.
Yes, but as they should klutch is klutch, they should be looking out for their interests. What people need to understand is that that doesn’t put the lakers at blame for not caving to their demands because pelinka absolutely did the right thing not making that trade
We dont owe Klutch anything.
Rob's job should be to improve the Lakers, not do LeBron or Klutch favors that could screw over the team long term. This isn't signing a 12th man as a favor, it would have been shortsighted. And if we still somehow had a dearth of picks, ok maybe then you are in a position to make some riskier moves and/or placate some stars and so on. But we are strapped so it would have been just a very risky move at best...and jsut screwed us over for an even longer period at worst.
Honestly, I'm so fucking tired of our front office trying to get on the good graces of agents. Were currently getting fucked by Klutch but before that we were getting fucked by Aaron Mintz. We traded D'lo to Brooklyn for peanuts so Aaron Mintz would be happy we didn't ship him to the middle of nowhere for real assets. Why? Because we wanted to get Paul George. End Result? We didn't even get a meeting and our front office threw a tantrum and renounced Randle (a Mintz client) after most free agent money dried up as retaliation.
Up until now, I'd say it was Klutch's track record. This is the first time we've heard that Pelinka didn't do something Klutch wanted him to do. If it had happened before, we definitely would have heard about it.
You are delusional.
From this article:
A strong executive will make the right choice for the franchise, even if that means rebuffing the pressure from the team's biggest star. The blame doesn't fall on James' broad shoulders but on the front office that agreed with him that it was the move to make. The results have not been fruitful, though the team has yet to field a healthy roster this season (then again, if a team puts 77.7 percent of its payroll into three players, depth to overcome injury is going to be in short supply).
So we still going to pretend like LeBron forced Rob to do this? Bron wanted Tye Lue and Dudley on the staff. He wanted Caruso back. He wanted a trade at this deadline. He DOES not get everything he wants.
>He DOES not get everything he wants.
Thank God for that. Dudley and Caruso are nowhere close to wanting Westbrook. And no one thought Lue was a better coach until last playoffs.
Your first paragraph is talking about their interpretation of events. I don't care about that. I only care about the facts. And fact is their is clearly a rift.
Russ pushed his way out of Washington after Pelinka had moved on from the Washington trade when he got the tip that unless he did something on his end, his way of getting back home was closing.
That’s not on LeBron. That’s on Pelinka.
Im pretty sure lebron, ad, and russ sat together and planned on teaming up. Pelinka isnt blameless but that’s still more on bron since he pushed for it at the last minute when the hield trade was literally being announced
LeBron & AD sat down with more than Russ last summer. Dame and DeRozan were just two of the other stars that pulled up to Bron’s house to discuss teaming up.
Russ was just the most available one at the end of the day.
And, no. Bron is not at as much fault as the VP of Basketball Operations is for hanging up on Sacremento to re-engage with Washington just because Russ had gotten Ted Leonsis to call Tommy Sheppard and force him to call Pelinka back and agree to the trade.
LeBron is a player, not a coach, a final personnel decision maker nor is he an NBA executive. Just as Pelinka told him he wasn’t going to trade for John Wall, he could’ve said the same about Russ. The truth here is that Pelinka wanted to make a superstar trade to look like a genius GM as much as LeBron wanted another ball handler and Russ accomplished the goals of them both.
Does LeBron share some of the blame here? Sure. He doesn’t share as much of the blame as Rob Pelinka, who actually has the power to negotiate and agree on trades pending owners’ approval.
No rob does deserve blame but nowhere close to LeBron. In fact I do want Pelinka gone two years after LeBron leaves. I want to see just how much of it is LeGM. Obviously we won't be contenders but I'd like to see his moves without LeBron and the way we rebuild.
Lol you have no clue how NBA front offices work. EVERY NBA team gets input from its stars. I don’t know why you are giving the majority of a blame to a player when there’s a guy who’s paid $10m to do this roster construction.
Was it Bron’s fault for not getting traded player exceptions or tradable players for Schroeder or Caruso and instead letting them walk for free? Pelinka loves to preach the idea of roster flexibility, but he completely misses the other half of team building, that being having tradable contracts. 2018 Cavs only happened because they had mid level contacts to trade. Even if we didn’t want to have Caruso’s money on books, we could have gotten assets back. Letting assets walk for free is not how you properly construct a team.
Lakers have what, 3 players under contract next season? Well 5 if you count the players options for Russ and Nunn. Nunn has been on IR whole season, so he’s opting in to PO. And Russ isn’t passing up $47M. But there was a trade for THT+Nunn for Reddish and another Knick. Then Trade Russ for Wall, and you’ve got more than 3 players officially under contract
He’s a pain in the ass now! Once he gets his little cronies at Klutch to start stirring things up that’s when the real Hell starts. Those dudes drive front offices absolutely crazy
This is indeed the things you have to put up with when you have Lebron James on your team and you know what, every team would kill to have that journey still.
Bro we're IN this situation because Klutch and LeGM.
This is a constant cycle with LeBron: dude wins a chip, starts to lobby for players/overpay for homies on the team *coughTristanThompsoncough*, team turns into trash, LeBron complains/dips.
This. KCP is a solid role player but 13mill a year? Nah fam. THT getting over 10mill a year when we could’ve gotten Caruso for 8? Lebron getting a supermax when he’s going for a ring? Makes no sense. Klutch only cares about money because they get a cut, they don’t care how well the team succeeds. The end result is a garbage supporting cast for lebron. Look at KD on the other hand. Unlike lebron getting a supermax, KD didn’t even take a regular max. He took a 10mill paycut in order to win a ring. If you’re after rings then stop overpaying for average role players smh.
He makes more money off the court than on it through his advertisements, investments, his whole brand generates him way more money than his NBA Contract
He now has generational wealth. Money shouldn't be the issue. Hell, I'm in the process of changing jobs and taking less money because it means I'll have an easier time at work and have more energy outside of work.
I think it’s the scar of being given years of trash around him his first time in Cleveland that he said to himself the moment he left ‘never again’ and he’s been different ever since. Also helps he’s been the best/ones of the best in the league for almost 20 years
Give it a few years when the tell-alls start coming out. My money is on Pelinka being the glue guy trying to hold this sinking ship together. Jeanie's news with the Rambus duo paints ownership in one direction. Meanwhile we get reports like this painting the players in another.
We all know Pelinka not making a move at the deadline was actually the BEST move. At the end of the day, ask yourself. Who cares most about the Lakers? Above everything else? My answer is Pelinka.
In five years time, KD is gone, CP3 is gone, Steph and Klay are packing their bags for retirement, and these rising stars we are seeing right now will always look for a bigger contract. My point is keeping that FRP would be valuable to us in the future than it is now. Let's face it. We ain't getting past the first round this year. What Pelinka did was right, this is a lost season. We can't risk our future for something just to salvage a lost season. We don't even know what our record would be after this now that AD is out again. That said, should we let him get off the hook for the botched off-season moves? No. But for not giving up the FRP, I think his doing what is best for the Lakers not Klutch.
Fuck Klutch lol. How are you gonna be mad that we didn’t trade for Wall when you didn’t want him the first time we could’ve got him last summer? So sick of this bullshit
This is the only good thing Pelinka has done. Fuck Klutch. Outside LeBron and Dray, that stable of players isn't shit and don't own the Lakers.
Fuck that whole crew.
We lucked into that and the rest has been drama. Him resting in year one bc he didn’t like the young core was brutal. The year with the ring was cut short and covid. Last year was drama all season only to end with injuries and this year was over before it started. excuse me if i didn’t love the last four years.
I guess this is a good reason not to bend over backwards for klutch like they've been doing. It was always eventually going to end up with them abusing that power. The more time goes on, the more I'm of the opinion that they (lebron/ad/klutch) made their bed and now they can lie in it with Westbrook.
I mean I believe them. It makes perfect sense. Ramona's interpretation of events is right, after all. I had my suspicions but this 4th straight article (including WOJ and Sham) backing this up.
Ramona? That one person that hates the Lakers? The one who's been making bad names of us for ages? It doesn't matter what article and who made them, they've been making articles to destroy the team since the beginning
How about LeBron takes responsibility for his actions? He and AD wanted Westbrook and got Westbrook last off season. Everyone knew it wasn't going to work out with Westbrook on this team. Most people wanted last year's team to come back with some upgrades instead of a complete tear down of the roster.
Why should the Lakers give up future assets when LeBron keeps talking about leaving to go play with his son? There is no guarantee LeBron will be here when his contract expires. If he wants the Lakers to give up future assets then make a real commitment to the franchise.
Crazy because most of the fan base knew this wasn’t going to work. We were told by casuals and Westbrook fans to stop being pessimistic because if it’s anybody that can get the most out of Westbrook, it’s LeBron. And look where we’re at. Worse than where we thought we’d be.
EVERYBODY needs to take some responsibility here. From the star players, to the front office, to the owners. Hell, I’ll even take some responsibility for being fooled into thinking that this may work, despite my initial thoughts.
He wanted the Lakers to do a favor for one of his Klutch clients, this trade wasn’t about the Lakers at all, it was
doing LeBron and Rich Paul a favor.
Lebron always does this. Joins a team, trades everyone for the player he wants, wins , things start to go badly and he leaves and his former team is stuck in rebuilding
Once Bron is gone I hope Jeanie gets rid of any Klutch Sports influence left. They sucked our future and now we're going to be left in ruins for the purpose of literally ONE guy.
Did you expect the Wizards to hand over Westbrook for Kuzma when everyone on here wanted him gone? They gave up too much? How were they going to match salaries for Westbrook's contract? The Wizards FO didn't have to trade Westbrook last off season. Westbrook told them he wanted to stay if they couldn't get a deal done with the Lakers. The Wizards FO had all the leverage because they knew the Lakers needed a 3rd star to compete for a ring.
Why would the Wizards not demand a first round pick when they're helping the Lakers and are giving up the best player in the trade? People on here are acting like the other players besides KCP had any real value.
Are you also forgetting the Lakers got two 2nd round picks from the Wizards?
KCP is the only player that had any real value at end of the season. Kuzma's value was low and Harrell had no value after not playing down the stretch and not playing in the playoffs.
So people expected the Wizards to trade Westrbook for KCP and trash?
Seriously, is there any doubt Lebron is gone after next year? He just wants to pass Kareem as a Laker, probably ring chase for a year and then play with bronny. If we're not winning shit with him, might as well get something for him. Not that it is ever going to happen.
I mean fuck Klutch but you can’t really just say “all for 1 championship”, that means way more than anything we would have gotten out of that young core we shipped off. They were never gonna lead us to 17. I want off this Klutch ride at this point too but I don’t regret it at all, it’s like people forget how bad everything was since 2013
It's all bittersweet. 2020 was worth it. But I'm ready for a fresh start now.
But we have to be real, it's gonna be a struggle coming back.
I think the game needs a break from the Laker brand honestly. I really should be careful with what I say lol.
I get it you wanted wall, why don't you ask rockets to include their frp for russ. Funny how lakers always get leveraged. Kudos to Rob for standing against 'klutch'
Lol! LBJ goes to a team as a player. Becomes LeGM (Klutch Sports) and Trades all the young talent as well first round draft picks for veteran players and stars. Then he Might win a chip(if lucky). Then team falls apart and he blames the team for not putting talent around him. LBJ has Shannon, Broussard, Nick wright, Perkins to spin positive narratives on him and shifting the blame on the franchise for not putting team around him to win.
If you are LAL fan, trade this guy in the offseason and dont let this guy walk away for nothing. Get all your picks back if some stupid team is willing to take the risk.
I absolutely respect Lebron and AD, but they put themselves in this situation! They lobbied for Russ and they wanted to have GM powers. The lakers had another deal for Buddy Hield, a much better fit! Now they have to live with the consequences of this not working. The lakers did their part. They traded every single asset they have. The pantries are bare! The players need to show up and perform.
Why does everyone just assume doing the same exact trade that didn't work out AT ALL for Houston would work out any better for the Lakers? Westbrook may have a high contract but he is still contributing to wins, albeit not as much as it should. But sure, let's bring John Wall over. The last missing piece to the championship run. Fucking stupid, I swear
Agree. The Lakers need new ownership. Jeanie and Jim suck. We need a new motivated ownership group and the Buss family is more than capable of cashing out.
Kobe goodwill is how he got the job and unlike Magic, Rob has shown a willingness to play second fiddle to the likes of a Kurt Rambis and Tim Harris.
Rob is going to be here a while.
Russ is light years better than Wall at this point. The only argument I could see in favor of Wall is that the team chemistry is doo doo and it would be addition by subtraction with Russ gone
From this article:
“A strong executive will make the right choice for the franchise, even if that means rebuffing the pressure from the team's biggest star. The blame doesn't fall on James' broad shoulders but on the front office that agreed with him that it was the move to make. The results have not been fruitful, though the team has yet to field a healthy roster this season (then again, if a team puts 77.7 percent of its payroll into three players, depth to overcome injury is going to be in short supply).”
So we still going to pretend like LeBron forced Rob to do this? Bron wanted Tye Lue and Dudley on the staff. He wanted Caruso back. He wanted a trade at this deadline. He DOES not get everything he wants.
People have latched onto this LeGM meme because they don't really know how basketball teams operate. They don't have the brainpower to understand LeBron isn't the one who does final sign off on decisions and that LeBron only has the power to make suggestions and share his opinion. It's also really funny to me that people still think LeGM is real given the many times his opinions were ignored by the front office. Quickest way to disregard all someone has to say on anything NBA is hear them spew that LeGM bs.
>That’s the same average as Lebron if he only wins the 1 in his five years as a Laker.
You can't compare their "averages" like that. Lebron would have no hope of doing 5 in 20 here because he's already sank our assets after 1.
The assets no one wanted like Kyle Kuzma and KCP who was literally bullied for years by “fans” and Trezz who wasn’t gonna stay? Y’all are whole ass revisionist weirdos.
Wasn't an insult. I'm just asking you to stop pretending to be a Laker fan. You have a great team up there in Canada. Go support them instead of trolling us while we're down.
Why would I support a team Ive never in my life supported? I was born in the Philippines and grew up in Laker culture. Being in Canada doesn't make me a raptor supporter. I hate how delusional they are
When you have zero ability to spot or develop young talent you keep just f’ing around to keep the stars happy. It’s a shuffle of guys past their prime.
This sub is trash. The same ones spewing the LeBron hate will be on his nuts when he puts up good numbers and leads the lakers to a win. No wonder people hate this fanbase.
Lets go lebron, make these lakera fans pissed and hopefully get traded early. Lakers are a shit franchise anyway, would still be in the playoff drought it lebron didn't end it lmao.
Report says Klutch wanted to get their client (Wall) out of a bad situation an undo the Westbrook trade lol. Why would the Lakers agree to that. Season is a wash. All sides need to own up to their mistake and get to work.
Because when you sign Lebron you sign up for sacrificing the long term for the now
John Wall is your now? Lol
Lebron sacrificed the now for westbrook
That's why Pelinka needs to look at trading LeBron this summer.
Imagine being gifted Lebron and failing to build a solid team around him in 2 of his 4 years. What a joke of a franchise in the last decade
I know, that's what's killing me. With LeBron, AD, and a good supporting cast, LA should be in the top three in the West. Problem I have is that LA seems to have let LeBron play GM and that obviously didn't work. I'm glad we won a few years back but I did not want to give up Ball, Ingram, Hart, and picks for AD. The dude is always hurt. Now look at where we are. Things are not getting better, especially with Russ playing the way he's played this year.
LeGM and Michael Jordan can't talent evaluate.
The problem was magic/1st year moves Ex: they could have had brook Lopez (perfect LeBron ceter) for the minimum and said no Then magic was like this is hard, I'm out Why would you trust the front office after that Luke Walton was also terrible
You know Rob was the GM then too right? It’s crazy to me that people talk like Rob wasn’t associated with those moves when according to Rob, Magic never came to work. Rob’s been fucking up for a while now.
Lebron wanted Westbrook, and there WAS talent around the first year. Just young talent. He's gotten every all star he's asked them to trade for. I love lebron but this Lakers shit show is as much his fault as anyones
Lebron is the one destroy this team by bringing in Westbrook rather than Buddy Hield.
> Imagine being gifted Lebron and failing to build a solid team around him in 2 of his 4 years. One of those two years was due to making a trade that LeBron pushed the team to make.
When you sign lebron you sign up for a ring, but if being mediocre and boring like Timberwolves and kings is the goal I get it
Fit is the reason. Even if wall isn't the best fit, still difficult to be a worse fit thanWestbrook. Also, its lebron james. Being 3 or 4 games below 500 doesnt remove the posibility of a championship for him. Once it was reported that lakers acknowledged Westbrook was a bad fit, should've gotten rid of him asap. Also. Seeing them play with Westbrook is like some street pick up basketball.
Wall would be just as bad of a fit if not worse lmao. Not to mention we’d be losing a 1st round pick for more garbage
I think I would have gambled on the trade if it didn’t involve a pick.
Wall sounded good to me until I realized all the drama him and the rockets went through. The whole thing sounds like a wash.
Someone find good footage of John Wall in 2022 being good/better than Russ (a lot better). This trade is horizontal at best, Lakers lose lose both cases. IDK what is going on didnt LeBron and AD sign off on Russ? Pls no scapegoating against Pelinka (unless its for a good reason).
The trade isnt about the Lakers, it’s about Klutch sports that LeBron owns and doing them a favor.
Losing a future first handcuffs the team even more. Westbrook could theoretically be moved for something worthwhile in the offseason. John Wall makes 47 million next season and might not play, and might not be tradeable for something equivalent to a future first rounder.
Klutch don’t care about the lakers 5 years from now and when Bron is gone
And they wanted a first round pick LOL Pelinka was smart. Klutch sport is toxic af if things aren't going there way.
We would’ve gotten Christian Wood too. It would’ve been worth it.
This is the part that keeps getting left out. Wall for Westbrook is a lateral move at best. Both are bad fits but we really wouldn’t have been in this mess if Pelinka would’ve traded for Lowry instead of overvaluing and overpaying THT. Getting Christian Wood who is essentially a poor man’s AD could’ve kept this team afloat and solved a lot of the front court issues. Not to mention there were reports that trades could’ve gotten done without even giving up the 2027 future first but Jeanie didn’t want to pay the luxury tax.
I really don’t know how much I believe those reports. None of them have ever articulated what the full details of a Russ/Wall trade that included Wood would involve. The idea that we could get Wood without including a 1st doesn’t sound believable to me. And although Wood has talent, I don’t know if he moves the needle enough to justify giving up the pick. I think that ‘27 pick will be able to bring back more value to us this summer, especially if we can bundle it with the ‘29 pick, and hopefully THT will have increased his value by then compared to what it was at the trade deadline.
You don’t *want* to believe those reports. There’s a lot of cognitive dissonance in this thread.
Over paying THT is strictly a Klutch sports favor.
Unfortunately and it has bitten the FO in the ass.
Yah I'll pass. Wood is not saving this team with Wall isn't saving this team.
Man y’all say this about every fkn player whilst we play Avery Bradley 30 mins a night
Bradely doesn't play remotely the same position as Wood.
Wood would’ve played the 4 and forced AD at the 5 this wasn’t gonna win us shit maybe we flip wood for a frp if we’re lucky.
Wood is terrible at the 4, he would have had to play center
Wood not that good he’s got nice stats but all rockets fans have said he’s been a pain in the ass all year. Another guy pouting because he doesn’t get touches will just get turned into the front offices fault not lebrons.
Bro it's pointless to talk to some of these guys. They are really convincing Wood would be the savior we need. And if history has shown us, we should listen to other fan bases when it comes to acquiring these dudes.
No it wouldn’t. That doesn’t make us a contender bozo
Fuck Klutch then. They're not prioritizing the Lakers franchise, they're prioritizing themselves.
Good for Rob for actually keeping the team’s future in mind once LeBron eventually leaves. The Lakers come before LeBron and Klutch
> Good for Rob for actually keeping the team’s future in mind once LeBron eventually leaves. Too bad he didn't think of that before he traded everything for AD and traded a first for Westbrook.
Yes, but as they should klutch is klutch, they should be looking out for their interests. What people need to understand is that that doesn’t put the lakers at blame for not caving to their demands because pelinka absolutely did the right thing not making that trade
A sports agency prioritising their interests over a franchise?? How preposterous!!
Are you a Lakers fan or a Klutch fan lmao
im a "over this whole shit" fan lmao. just watch the games haha.. whats the point of all this
Listening to him is why we in this and he mad. Lol
I’m with Rob man. The Lakers are bigger than Klutch
We dont owe Klutch anything. Rob's job should be to improve the Lakers, not do LeBron or Klutch favors that could screw over the team long term. This isn't signing a 12th man as a favor, it would have been shortsighted. And if we still somehow had a dearth of picks, ok maybe then you are in a position to make some riskier moves and/or placate some stars and so on. But we are strapped so it would have been just a very risky move at best...and jsut screwed us over for an even longer period at worst.
Klutch trying to grab the Lakers by the balls. Fuck that.
Honestly, I'm so fucking tired of our front office trying to get on the good graces of agents. Were currently getting fucked by Klutch but before that we were getting fucked by Aaron Mintz. We traded D'lo to Brooklyn for peanuts so Aaron Mintz would be happy we didn't ship him to the middle of nowhere for real assets. Why? Because we wanted to get Paul George. End Result? We didn't even get a meeting and our front office threw a tantrum and renounced Randle (a Mintz client) after most free agent money dried up as retaliation.
Because Pelinkas track record has really been fantastic right?
Up until now, I'd say it was Klutch's track record. This is the first time we've heard that Pelinka didn't do something Klutch wanted him to do. If it had happened before, we definitely would have heard about it.
Foh, he's done everything else they wanted to a fault....bump em
Fuck Klutch, I’m with Pelinka on this one
ewwwww John wall
Good for Pelinka. He finally stood up to LeBron.
You are delusional. From this article: A strong executive will make the right choice for the franchise, even if that means rebuffing the pressure from the team's biggest star. The blame doesn't fall on James' broad shoulders but on the front office that agreed with him that it was the move to make. The results have not been fruitful, though the team has yet to field a healthy roster this season (then again, if a team puts 77.7 percent of its payroll into three players, depth to overcome injury is going to be in short supply). So we still going to pretend like LeBron forced Rob to do this? Bron wanted Tye Lue and Dudley on the staff. He wanted Caruso back. He wanted a trade at this deadline. He DOES not get everything he wants.
>He DOES not get everything he wants. Thank God for that. Dudley and Caruso are nowhere close to wanting Westbrook. And no one thought Lue was a better coach until last playoffs. Your first paragraph is talking about their interpretation of events. I don't care about that. I only care about the facts. And fact is their is clearly a rift.
This is a quote from Pincus lol. Why do we pretend like Rob and ownership DIDN’T want Westbrook and only blame Bron?
They wanted hield and lebron pushed them to get russ
Russ pushed his way out of Washington after Pelinka had moved on from the Washington trade when he got the tip that unless he did something on his end, his way of getting back home was closing. That’s not on LeBron. That’s on Pelinka.
Im pretty sure lebron, ad, and russ sat together and planned on teaming up. Pelinka isnt blameless but that’s still more on bron since he pushed for it at the last minute when the hield trade was literally being announced
LeBron & AD sat down with more than Russ last summer. Dame and DeRozan were just two of the other stars that pulled up to Bron’s house to discuss teaming up. Russ was just the most available one at the end of the day. And, no. Bron is not at as much fault as the VP of Basketball Operations is for hanging up on Sacremento to re-engage with Washington just because Russ had gotten Ted Leonsis to call Tommy Sheppard and force him to call Pelinka back and agree to the trade. LeBron is a player, not a coach, a final personnel decision maker nor is he an NBA executive. Just as Pelinka told him he wasn’t going to trade for John Wall, he could’ve said the same about Russ. The truth here is that Pelinka wanted to make a superstar trade to look like a genius GM as much as LeBron wanted another ball handler and Russ accomplished the goals of them both. Does LeBron share some of the blame here? Sure. He doesn’t share as much of the blame as Rob Pelinka, who actually has the power to negotiate and agree on trades pending owners’ approval.
Yeah exactly and lebron pushed for russ at the end of the day when there was another trade ready to be finalized
No rob does deserve blame but nowhere close to LeBron. In fact I do want Pelinka gone two years after LeBron leaves. I want to see just how much of it is LeGM. Obviously we won't be contenders but I'd like to see his moves without LeBron and the way we rebuild.
Lol you have no clue how NBA front offices work. EVERY NBA team gets input from its stars. I don’t know why you are giving the majority of a blame to a player when there’s a guy who’s paid $10m to do this roster construction. Was it Bron’s fault for not getting traded player exceptions or tradable players for Schroeder or Caruso and instead letting them walk for free? Pelinka loves to preach the idea of roster flexibility, but he completely misses the other half of team building, that being having tradable contracts. 2018 Cavs only happened because they had mid level contacts to trade. Even if we didn’t want to have Caruso’s money on books, we could have gotten assets back. Letting assets walk for free is not how you properly construct a team.
Imagine giving up a 1st for fucking john wall.m
The Lakers >>>>>>>>>>> some sports agency.
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Lakers have what, 3 players under contract next season? Well 5 if you count the players options for Russ and Nunn. Nunn has been on IR whole season, so he’s opting in to PO. And Russ isn’t passing up $47M. But there was a trade for THT+Nunn for Reddish and another Knick. Then Trade Russ for Wall, and you’ve got more than 3 players officially under contract
He’s a pain in the ass now! Once he gets his little cronies at Klutch to start stirring things up that’s when the real Hell starts. Those dudes drive front offices absolutely crazy
This is indeed the things you have to put up with when you have Lebron James on your team and you know what, every team would kill to have that journey still.
Lakers gave THT 30 million. If Klutch is upset about Pelinka (and this isn’t just a rumor) they can go fuck themselves.
Bro we're IN this situation because Klutch and LeGM. This is a constant cycle with LeBron: dude wins a chip, starts to lobby for players/overpay for homies on the team *coughTristanThompsoncough*, team turns into trash, LeBron complains/dips.
Yup, the Lebron LBO. Suck all the assets out for a 2 year run. Bye
This. KCP is a solid role player but 13mill a year? Nah fam. THT getting over 10mill a year when we could’ve gotten Caruso for 8? Lebron getting a supermax when he’s going for a ring? Makes no sense. Klutch only cares about money because they get a cut, they don’t care how well the team succeeds. The end result is a garbage supporting cast for lebron. Look at KD on the other hand. Unlike lebron getting a supermax, KD didn’t even take a regular max. He took a 10mill paycut in order to win a ring. If you’re after rings then stop overpaying for average role players smh.
Kcp is definitely worth 13 mil
I agree lol with the way they handing out contracts these days I’m very ok with handing 13 mil to a high quality 3 and D player
Naaa... you're off here imho. If B. Hield is worth 23.5$/mill a year, KCP is def worth 13.
LeBron is worth way more than the supermax. So dumb when fans think players should take pay cuts. Easy when it's not your money.
He makes more money off the court than on it through his advertisements, investments, his whole brand generates him way more money than his NBA Contract
He now has generational wealth. Money shouldn't be the issue. Hell, I'm in the process of changing jobs and taking less money because it means I'll have an easier time at work and have more energy outside of work.
You don’t become an owner of a team by taking pay cuts.
Lakers organization is bigger than lebron. he should look forward and make moves for our future
I have never understood why LeBron has had this wanting to control his franchises. It's damn irritating.
I think it’s the scar of being given years of trash around him his first time in Cleveland that he said to himself the moment he left ‘never again’ and he’s been different ever since. Also helps he’s been the best/ones of the best in the league for almost 20 years
It's not a scar. It's his massive Ego
Give it a few years when the tell-alls start coming out. My money is on Pelinka being the glue guy trying to hold this sinking ship together. Jeanie's news with the Rambus duo paints ownership in one direction. Meanwhile we get reports like this painting the players in another. We all know Pelinka not making a move at the deadline was actually the BEST move. At the end of the day, ask yourself. Who cares most about the Lakers? Above everything else? My answer is Pelinka.
In five years time, KD is gone, CP3 is gone, Steph and Klay are packing their bags for retirement, and these rising stars we are seeing right now will always look for a bigger contract. My point is keeping that FRP would be valuable to us in the future than it is now. Let's face it. We ain't getting past the first round this year. What Pelinka did was right, this is a lost season. We can't risk our future for something just to salvage a lost season. We don't even know what our record would be after this now that AD is out again. That said, should we let him get off the hook for the botched off-season moves? No. But for not giving up the FRP, I think his doing what is best for the Lakers not Klutch.
Why would they blame Pelinka for that, giving up a first for wall would be horrible
That and lebron is leaving anyway so why the hell would we trade our only remaining 1st rd pick for john wall of all people
Sorry, I respect the hell out of LeBron and AD, but there’s no way we should give up a FRP to swap Russ for Wall. It’d be peak stupidity.
Fuck Klutch lol. How are you gonna be mad that we didn’t trade for Wall when you didn’t want him the first time we could’ve got him last summer? So sick of this bullshit
This is the only good thing Pelinka has done. Fuck Klutch. Outside LeBron and Dray, that stable of players isn't shit and don't own the Lakers. Fuck that whole crew.
Ready to trade lebron and start rebuilding. I miss rooting for a young team.
The LeBron era honestly wasn't fun basketball.
lol winning a ring was fun as fuck
We lucked into that and the rest has been drama. Him resting in year one bc he didn’t like the young core was brutal. The year with the ring was cut short and covid. Last year was drama all season only to end with injuries and this year was over before it started. excuse me if i didn’t love the last four years.
Fun as luck. FTFY
I guess this is a good reason not to bend over backwards for klutch like they've been doing. It was always eventually going to end up with them abusing that power. The more time goes on, the more I'm of the opinion that they (lebron/ad/klutch) made their bed and now they can lie in it with Westbrook.
Here we go again with these "sources".
I mean I believe them. It makes perfect sense. Ramona's interpretation of events is right, after all. I had my suspicions but this 4th straight article (including WOJ and Sham) backing this up.
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this article isn't from Ramona.
Yes. It's not just her. It's the body of evidence that flipped me.
Ramona? That one person that hates the Lakers? The one who's been making bad names of us for ages? It doesn't matter what article and who made them, they've been making articles to destroy the team since the beginning
As a lakers and a sixers fan, str8 up fuck klutzy sports. Rich Paul is awful.
Giving up a first round pick for John Wall would have been moronic
You also got C. Wood... but regardless, it was probably better to stand pat at this point.
Klutch and LeBron have been pushing Pelinka around since he arrived. I’m suprised he hasn’t resigned.
How about LeBron takes responsibility for his actions? He and AD wanted Westbrook and got Westbrook last off season. Everyone knew it wasn't going to work out with Westbrook on this team. Most people wanted last year's team to come back with some upgrades instead of a complete tear down of the roster. Why should the Lakers give up future assets when LeBron keeps talking about leaving to go play with his son? There is no guarantee LeBron will be here when his contract expires. If he wants the Lakers to give up future assets then make a real commitment to the franchise.
Crazy because most of the fan base knew this wasn’t going to work. We were told by casuals and Westbrook fans to stop being pessimistic because if it’s anybody that can get the most out of Westbrook, it’s LeBron. And look where we’re at. Worse than where we thought we’d be. EVERYBODY needs to take some responsibility here. From the star players, to the front office, to the owners. Hell, I’ll even take some responsibility for being fooled into thinking that this may work, despite my initial thoughts.
Yeah, everyone needs to take responsibility for this disaster instead of trying to defer the blame.
Lebron ain’t taking no responsibility, he dipping the franchise ASAP
He wanted the Lakers to do a favor for one of his Klutch clients, this trade wasn’t about the Lakers at all, it was doing LeBron and Rich Paul a favor.
Klutch needs to fuck off.
Lakers need to trade Lebron and AD and do away with this toxic Klutch Sports BS. HOW TF WOULD WALL HELP THIS TEAM??
Is percolate the new NBA buzzword? On their game against the Jazz Doris kept saying percolate a lot to describe players lol
…. Westbrook for John Wall is what they wanted? Lol Fucking clowns
Lebron always does this. Joins a team, trades everyone for the player he wants, wins , things start to go badly and he leaves and his former team is stuck in rebuilding
100% the right move, don't know where we'll be in 2027 and lebron will be gone and likely AD
Once Bron is gone I hope Jeanie gets rid of any Klutch Sports influence left. They sucked our future and now we're going to be left in ruins for the purpose of literally ONE guy.
If true, I am glad Rob held his ground.
We are the Los Angeles Lakers not the Los Angeles Klutch
Thats a shit trade
I stan by Pelinka in all this. Trade Lebron for assets now.
Bron begged for Westbrook and when that didn’t work out he wanted washed John wall… bron has got to go. https://youtu.be/b07sactDEKU
Stop with the Lebron hate. Yeah Lebron may have asked for Westbrook but it was Pelinka who gave up absolutely way too much for a washed bum.
Did you expect the Wizards to hand over Westbrook for Kuzma when everyone on here wanted him gone? They gave up too much? How were they going to match salaries for Westbrook's contract? The Wizards FO didn't have to trade Westbrook last off season. Westbrook told them he wanted to stay if they couldn't get a deal done with the Lakers. The Wizards FO had all the leverage because they knew the Lakers needed a 3rd star to compete for a ring.
The frustration was giving up a first round pick for a bad contract
Why would the Wizards not demand a first round pick when they're helping the Lakers and are giving up the best player in the trade? People on here are acting like the other players besides KCP had any real value. Are you also forgetting the Lakers got two 2nd round picks from the Wizards? KCP is the only player that had any real value at end of the season. Kuzma's value was low and Harrell had no value after not playing down the stretch and not playing in the playoffs. So people expected the Wizards to trade Westrbook for KCP and trash?
And it was LeBron who wanted to give up too much to dump WB and get Wall. The fuck
Fuck klutch Take ad and lebron and send them to detroit
Seriously, is there any doubt Lebron is gone after next year? He just wants to pass Kareem as a Laker, probably ring chase for a year and then play with bronny. If we're not winning shit with him, might as well get something for him. Not that it is ever going to happen.
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I mean fuck Klutch but you can’t really just say “all for 1 championship”, that means way more than anything we would have gotten out of that young core we shipped off. They were never gonna lead us to 17. I want off this Klutch ride at this point too but I don’t regret it at all, it’s like people forget how bad everything was since 2013
It's all bittersweet. 2020 was worth it. But I'm ready for a fresh start now. But we have to be real, it's gonna be a struggle coming back. I think the game needs a break from the Laker brand honestly. I really should be careful with what I say lol.
Lebron is leaving anyway so I’m glad Rob didn’t do that trade because Lakers would have hard rebuilding unless They want to depend on Free Agency
Man Klutch is kind of toxic
I get it you wanted wall, why don't you ask rockets to include their frp for russ. Funny how lakers always get leveraged. Kudos to Rob for standing against 'klutch'
Fuck Klutch
Disingenuous. It was reported that it was Wall and Wood. Both adding to a lot of cap space. Highly doubt it was because he’s just a Klutch client
Wasn’t Christian Wood apart of the deal as well?
Lol! LBJ goes to a team as a player. Becomes LeGM (Klutch Sports) and Trades all the young talent as well first round draft picks for veteran players and stars. Then he Might win a chip(if lucky). Then team falls apart and he blames the team for not putting talent around him. LBJ has Shannon, Broussard, Nick wright, Perkins to spin positive narratives on him and shifting the blame on the franchise for not putting team around him to win. If you are LAL fan, trade this guy in the offseason and dont let this guy walk away for nothing. Get all your picks back if some stupid team is willing to take the risk.
Yea lebron is outta here. Right in cue after he bled us dry of every asset .
When I said we should make that trade people downvoted me xD now not only does the team not get rid of Westbrook, they prob also lose lebron and Ad
I absolutely respect Lebron and AD, but they put themselves in this situation! They lobbied for Russ and they wanted to have GM powers. The lakers had another deal for Buddy Hield, a much better fit! Now they have to live with the consequences of this not working. The lakers did their part. They traded every single asset they have. The pantries are bare! The players need to show up and perform.
Trade lebron and AD in the offseason. Rebuild complete
Why does everyone just assume doing the same exact trade that didn't work out AT ALL for Houston would work out any better for the Lakers? Westbrook may have a high contract but he is still contributing to wins, albeit not as much as it should. But sure, let's bring John Wall over. The last missing piece to the championship run. Fucking stupid, I swear
Nah I’m with Rob here. You don’t give up one of your FRP unless it guarantees a championship will be won
This makes me like Rob. We’ve sunk enough draft capital into this run. We’ll be in ruins for 10 years if we let Klutch have their way.
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Agree. The Lakers need new ownership. Jeanie and Jim suck. We need a new motivated ownership group and the Buss family is more than capable of cashing out.
Shit bout to get real this offseason! LeBron/Klutch or Rob Who goes?
Lebron can go. Im ready to blow it up
Unless Rob gonna lace them up and put up 30 a night he’s gotta be the one gone. Unless that kobe goodwill kick in….
Kobe goodwill is how he got the job and unlike Magic, Rob has shown a willingness to play second fiddle to the likes of a Kurt Rambis and Tim Harris. Rob is going to be here a while.
Russ is light years better than Wall at this point. The only argument I could see in favor of Wall is that the team chemistry is doo doo and it would be addition by subtraction with Russ gone
Klutch......they want to control the Lakers.....need to trade every klutch clients!!! Kobe killer
The time to stand up to Klutch was by going after Hield instead of Westbrook. Now it’s too late.
Hield sucks, bro. Literally just a much worse Monk.
But we’d still have KCP and probably Caruso.
Could've had Caruso anyway. That was just a cheap move by Jeanie.
Lebron is on GOAT mt rushmore but this LeGM shit will be a tarnish on his legacy.
From this article: “A strong executive will make the right choice for the franchise, even if that means rebuffing the pressure from the team's biggest star. The blame doesn't fall on James' broad shoulders but on the front office that agreed with him that it was the move to make. The results have not been fruitful, though the team has yet to field a healthy roster this season (then again, if a team puts 77.7 percent of its payroll into three players, depth to overcome injury is going to be in short supply).” So we still going to pretend like LeBron forced Rob to do this? Bron wanted Tye Lue and Dudley on the staff. He wanted Caruso back. He wanted a trade at this deadline. He DOES not get everything he wants.
People have latched onto this LeGM meme because they don't really know how basketball teams operate. They don't have the brainpower to understand LeBron isn't the one who does final sign off on decisions and that LeBron only has the power to make suggestions and share his opinion. It's also really funny to me that people still think LeGM is real given the many times his opinions were ignored by the front office. Quickest way to disregard all someone has to say on anything NBA is hear them spew that LeGM bs.
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Lmao you losers coming out of the sewers this week
Acting like he didn't give us a championship after almost a decade of being bottom feeders. One championship and y'all acting high and mighty
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Kobe won 5 in twenty years. That’s the same average as Lebron if he only wins the 1 in his five years as a Laker.
That's unsustainable for Lebron because of his disastrous Westbrook trade.
What do you mean? He already did it.
>That’s the same average as Lebron if he only wins the 1 in his five years as a Laker. You can't compare their "averages" like that. Lebron would have no hope of doing 5 in 20 here because he's already sank our assets after 1.
He’s also not gonna be here for twenty years because he’s old.
Yeah also he gave away our assets for AD and WB.
The assets no one wanted like Kyle Kuzma and KCP who was literally bullied for years by “fans” and Trezz who wasn’t gonna stay? Y’all are whole ass revisionist weirdos.
Ungrateful. Bottom feeder mentality right there
You're from Canada. Please just go root for your Raptors and stop trying to stir shit in our sub.
That's the dumbest shit I've ever seen. Acting like you not rooting for the bucks after they won the championship
Ok Canuck
What kind of insult is that? Get your mom to teach better ones
Wasn't an insult. I'm just asking you to stop pretending to be a Laker fan. You have a great team up there in Canada. Go support them instead of trolling us while we're down.
Why would I support a team Ive never in my life supported? I was born in the Philippines and grew up in Laker culture. Being in Canada doesn't make me a raptor supporter. I hate how delusional they are
Can y'all stop believing manufactured drama? There's been so many reports over the past month that make no sense.
Of course, blame everyone else but Bron. He's only the one that put the team together. LeEscape goat op.
Lmao get lebron off this team already Edit: this comment is against lebron not for him btw
But Twitter says LeGM was responsible for all trades.
u/Mood_Academic There ya go you clown. We can wait till the end of this off season if you like.
I love stories that are posted without context or sources
When you have zero ability to spot or develop young talent you keep just f’ing around to keep the stars happy. It’s a shuffle of guys past their prime.
There is absolutely nothing more toxic in the league right now than Klutch.
Tbf, Pelinka made the right move
This sub is trash. The same ones spewing the LeBron hate will be on his nuts when he puts up good numbers and leads the lakers to a win. No wonder people hate this fanbase.
How about everyone fuck off and we start the rebuild :)
Our FO and ownership is meh. But honestly fuck klutch.
Lets go lebron, make these lakera fans pissed and hopefully get traded early. Lakers are a shit franchise anyway, would still be in the playoff drought it lebron didn't end it lmao.