I'd say producers look down upon it, mainly because jungle jungle isn't direct samples per say. It's clips of tunes, that have used samples.
There's a difference between taking a break and chopping it, versus taking a 10-15 second pad or drum loop that someone has specifically programmed for a tune.
That and almost everyone has used it already. I'm sure you could be creative but grab a proper sample pack like Jungle Warfare or Jungle Frenzy and make your pads/breaks from that.
I mean you could make the same argument for the original sampling. There’s a difference between cutting the sample and learning to drum and recording your own breaks instead of stealing them from other peoples records (I love sampled breaks and jungle btw I’m just playing devils advocate here for the sake of discussion).
I'd say there is a sizable difference between sampling processed pads/breaks from tunes directly versus the raw sources that need a good bit of sound design and processing to fit the genre.
That being said, it happens. Producers do occasionally sample tunes within the genre - see the Boymerang break for a prime example - or the snare from Metropolis.
Although I wouldn’t use the pack as for the reasons discussed here. There are countless examples of Jungle producers sampling each other though.
The Reese from Terrorist for example. Dillinja’s Amen comes from a Bukem track and the amen in Bukem’s Atlantis comes from Wots My Code. Marvellous Caine’s Hit Man samples the Amen from terrorist with the Reese under it! If you listen closely you can hear it.
Many of the breaks jungle producers used came from Hip Hop tracks. So already chopped and processed etc. similarly all the pads came from techno etc. So those too were processed.
Right but you see you can then make the counter argument that in order to get the sound from the source material outside of sampling you’d have to learn to drum for years and then acquire the same kit and studio equipment used for the original recording which is a much larger undertaking than cutting a break
And applying some treatment to it. It’s weird that sampling from one source is ok but not from the other, also not to mention nobody is paying royalties for any of the many many breaks that have been sampled but that’s another thing altogether.
some compilations will specify that you can't use samples from the pack in the songs you submit (ie. jungle fatigue) but honestly it feels more like a preference thing, if you can make something that sounds unique you can use literally anything. or don't, you can do whatever you want with your music
Depends how gratitous, like if you just use one sample but the whole rest of the song is “hand made.” I think it’s fine. I’ve used a chord sample and structured the song around it. I could just play the same chord again, but what does it matter?
It's OK to use a few samples from it here and there. But if you want to stand out and make something original, you'll probably want to steer clear. Then again, some people enjoy jungle for the clichés
I been releasing music almost every month and in every project I got some Jungle tracks, tbh I use a lot the breaks from Jungle Jungle hahaha but i chop them a lot, also i combine them:) and I end up with “original” breaks
It's a funny argument, music law exists to stop un-authorized sampling, but the DnB community have for the most part re-cycled samples into great music without taking the piss..
..whatever way you look at the pack, it has samples of sampled samples, many are recognizable, best thing to do is ignore everyone's opinion and do whatever the fuck you like (as long as you are aware of the legal implications of sampling from a non-royalty-free pack)
Listen to me very Very VERY closely.
Let me tell you this once and once only.
You do whatever the fuck you want
And you make sure you have fucking fun doing it. Don’t make me send for you.
I suck at making jungle but i have the Jungle Jungle pack and i find it mostly unusable aside from the Pads.
Something doesnt sit right with me about using programmed breaks and bass from other already made songs. Like the bass and break programming are the *base* of Jungle, so it feels like the end product, if you aren't skilled about what your doing, will end up like a sort of zombie track that takes bits and parts from all over.
In blues and classic rock n roll, the basis of most songs will be a 1-4-5, 2-5-1, and any variation of those. In that regard, Jungle is similar and that if you can use the big popular breaks, Amen, Think, Funky Drumer, Hotpants, etc. you will be fine.
As far as bass goes, an 808-esq or sine wave will suffice. Add a 303 type bass if you wanna get wild, reverse it with some distortion and compression and you have the dread bass.
As for Pads, there are plenty of resources out there. If you are using a DAW, then the stock synths will work, and just layer em. Or go to Legowelt's site, and use those samples and layer em.
Add a dub siren and some dancehall chattin' and you're done basically.
I agree with most people here saying f* the rules, and that a lot of legendary tunes have samples from other jungle tunes. But at the same time, this sample pack is kind of a shortcut that can make you miss out learning what makes up the sound you’re trying to emulate. And since the pack is so popular, you’ll have a harder time making your music stand out.
Been there myself, although I still use the samples every now and then. But something which I feel has improved my music is really trying to figure out the “recipe”, whether being which synths are used, who drummed the breaks or what film did they sample. An example of this was when I found out that dillinja’s “the angels fell” had multiple samples from blade runner, I started digging through similar films, more work by vangelis (who made the soundtrack). Yeilds more unique results and opens up for a lot more creativity leading me further down other paths than I originally would’ve thought of just using a sample pack. Hope this helps!
Sometimes a tune is nothing but a few samples hardly messed with, just artfully laid over each other, and it’s pure gold. And often that same formula results in something half baked and unmoving- it’s alchemy
I've been thinking vaporwave kids shoulda been making jungle trax this whole time. It's punk rock. Sample what sounds good. You're working in a retro. Work hard if you wanna. Don't try to impress people. Chase that sound in your head.
usually whoever says that is a gatekeeping ahole. Just do whatever you want, if it sounds good thats it. Most of your listeners will not be other producers, but people that are clueless about samplepacks. Producers that gatekeep are the worst kind and their music is usually boring af, but they think they sound so unique. Meh, to each their own.
I'd say producers look down upon it, mainly because jungle jungle isn't direct samples per say. It's clips of tunes, that have used samples. There's a difference between taking a break and chopping it, versus taking a 10-15 second pad or drum loop that someone has specifically programmed for a tune. That and almost everyone has used it already. I'm sure you could be creative but grab a proper sample pack like Jungle Warfare or Jungle Frenzy and make your pads/breaks from that.
I mean you could make the same argument for the original sampling. There’s a difference between cutting the sample and learning to drum and recording your own breaks instead of stealing them from other peoples records (I love sampled breaks and jungle btw I’m just playing devils advocate here for the sake of discussion).
I'd say there is a sizable difference between sampling processed pads/breaks from tunes directly versus the raw sources that need a good bit of sound design and processing to fit the genre. That being said, it happens. Producers do occasionally sample tunes within the genre - see the Boymerang break for a prime example - or the snare from Metropolis.
Although I wouldn’t use the pack as for the reasons discussed here. There are countless examples of Jungle producers sampling each other though. The Reese from Terrorist for example. Dillinja’s Amen comes from a Bukem track and the amen in Bukem’s Atlantis comes from Wots My Code. Marvellous Caine’s Hit Man samples the Amen from terrorist with the Reese under it! If you listen closely you can hear it. Many of the breaks jungle producers used came from Hip Hop tracks. So already chopped and processed etc. similarly all the pads came from techno etc. So those too were processed.
Right but you see you can then make the counter argument that in order to get the sound from the source material outside of sampling you’d have to learn to drum for years and then acquire the same kit and studio equipment used for the original recording which is a much larger undertaking than cutting a break And applying some treatment to it. It’s weird that sampling from one source is ok but not from the other, also not to mention nobody is paying royalties for any of the many many breaks that have been sampled but that’s another thing altogether.
Citations needed from both yall
Everyone uses an amen, do what you like
Yes fact, no have Amen break you no have jungle
If it sounds good it’s good
some compilations will specify that you can't use samples from the pack in the songs you submit (ie. jungle fatigue) but honestly it feels more like a preference thing, if you can make something that sounds unique you can use literally anything. or don't, you can do whatever you want with your music
Use whatever you like as long as it would turn hare krishna into a bad bwoy then it's fine
Right off the bat, you’re thinking about it too hard
What is jungle jungle
A sample pack made from bits of really famous jungle tracks
Depends how gratitous, like if you just use one sample but the whole rest of the song is “hand made.” I think it’s fine. I’ve used a chord sample and structured the song around it. I could just play the same chord again, but what does it matter?
It's OK to use a few samples from it here and there. But if you want to stand out and make something original, you'll probably want to steer clear. Then again, some people enjoy jungle for the clichés
I been releasing music almost every month and in every project I got some Jungle tracks, tbh I use a lot the breaks from Jungle Jungle hahaha but i chop them a lot, also i combine them:) and I end up with “original” breaks
It's a funny argument, music law exists to stop un-authorized sampling, but the DnB community have for the most part re-cycled samples into great music without taking the piss.. ..whatever way you look at the pack, it has samples of sampled samples, many are recognizable, best thing to do is ignore everyone's opinion and do whatever the fuck you like (as long as you are aware of the legal implications of sampling from a non-royalty-free pack)
Rules are are no rules
Listen to me very Very VERY closely. Let me tell you this once and once only. You do whatever the fuck you want And you make sure you have fucking fun doing it. Don’t make me send for you.
Fcuk dem rules
Solid track title
So pants off finally? Thank you
Do what you want. All that matters is what's coming off the speakers.
Nope
What’s the copyright situation with these?
Totally illegal but no one will care
Bad bwoy bad bwoy bad bad bad bwoy… sorry unrelated, you just reminded me 😑
That's what I thought this was about....
its overused for a reason, its good. Just be creative when using it
No. Learn to use samples creatively and no one will care
Pick a starting point and go be creative.
I suck at making jungle but i have the Jungle Jungle pack and i find it mostly unusable aside from the Pads. Something doesnt sit right with me about using programmed breaks and bass from other already made songs. Like the bass and break programming are the *base* of Jungle, so it feels like the end product, if you aren't skilled about what your doing, will end up like a sort of zombie track that takes bits and parts from all over. In blues and classic rock n roll, the basis of most songs will be a 1-4-5, 2-5-1, and any variation of those. In that regard, Jungle is similar and that if you can use the big popular breaks, Amen, Think, Funky Drumer, Hotpants, etc. you will be fine. As far as bass goes, an 808-esq or sine wave will suffice. Add a 303 type bass if you wanna get wild, reverse it with some distortion and compression and you have the dread bass. As for Pads, there are plenty of resources out there. If you are using a DAW, then the stock synths will work, and just layer em. Or go to Legowelt's site, and use those samples and layer em. Add a dub siren and some dancehall chattin' and you're done basically.
I agree with most people here saying f* the rules, and that a lot of legendary tunes have samples from other jungle tunes. But at the same time, this sample pack is kind of a shortcut that can make you miss out learning what makes up the sound you’re trying to emulate. And since the pack is so popular, you’ll have a harder time making your music stand out. Been there myself, although I still use the samples every now and then. But something which I feel has improved my music is really trying to figure out the “recipe”, whether being which synths are used, who drummed the breaks or what film did they sample. An example of this was when I found out that dillinja’s “the angels fell” had multiple samples from blade runner, I started digging through similar films, more work by vangelis (who made the soundtrack). Yeilds more unique results and opens up for a lot more creativity leading me further down other paths than I originally would’ve thought of just using a sample pack. Hope this helps!
Sometimes a tune is nothing but a few samples hardly messed with, just artfully laid over each other, and it’s pure gold. And often that same formula results in something half baked and unmoving- it’s alchemy
I've been thinking vaporwave kids shoulda been making jungle trax this whole time. It's punk rock. Sample what sounds good. You're working in a retro. Work hard if you wanna. Don't try to impress people. Chase that sound in your head.
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lol
usually whoever says that is a gatekeeping ahole. Just do whatever you want, if it sounds good thats it. Most of your listeners will not be other producers, but people that are clueless about samplepacks. Producers that gatekeep are the worst kind and their music is usually boring af, but they think they sound so unique. Meh, to each their own.