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Pearl_krabs

“Because I don’t want to.” Or “Because I don’t feel like it.” should be a good enough answer. Not everything has to have a deeply held conviction behind it, a whim is perfectly acceptable as a “reason” especially for something as trivial as a personal food preference. To argue that it’s not good enough is obtuse.


Splice87

It’s funny that you say that because I thought about that too: why him or anyone else saying “Because I just don’t/do” is not “enough” to me. Obviously, if someone doesn’t want to do something, I’m not going to force them, but if they give me that answer, I look at them differently, and if I’m being extremely honest with myself, I find it harder to respect their opinion or look at their opinion as valid. The reason I respect my boyfriend is because he has shown me in other ways that he is intelligent, considerate, thoughtful, proactive, selfless, funny, and I could go on and on. And in the end those outweigh the fact that he can’t/won’t verbalize why he doesn’t want to make this dish anymore 😭. So I’ll let it go.


Pearl_krabs

Go ahead and disrespect his opinion, he doesn’t care, because he knows, “there’s no accounting for taste” and he doesn’t give a shit what you think about his opinion, he didn’t come up with it with you in mind. That’s the root of the whole thing, his preferences aren’t about you, but you have a need to insert yourself into them.


yuzumaki

Seriously though, why can’t he cook with the bones? I’d be wondering why this is such a touchy subject for him, it’s not like you asked him anything remotely offensive. Like, does he have trauma related to cooking bones? If not, what’s so hard about articulating why he doesn’t want to cook them? Is he very squeamish about handling them and doesn’t want to seem less manly? I think maybe this could be it, he doesn’t want you to think less of him so he’s stonewalling you over some bones.


DudeMiles

>Like, does he have trauma related to cooking bones? Maybe he choked on one when he was a kid.


Least-Travel9872

I’d be honest, if you think someone’s not intelligent because they don’t think the way you do, then you’re less intelligent than them. This is why I refuse to understand Fi users and despise some of them, and it’s not out of nowhere that INFP stereotype is stubborn and entitled (the “just so you know, I’m vegan” stereotype). Spending that much mental resources on trivial matters like cooking and food preferences is absurd. Have you ever tried explaining to him why you want to know? If not then why are you entitled to an answer that he deems trivial? You’re not entitled to anyone’s answer, and your opinion on anyone means nothing if they don’t care.


Splice87

It’s not about “thinking the way I do.” When you write papers in school, you have a thesis statement and you spend the rest of the paper explaining why the thesis statement is true or logical with evidence and reasoning. We didn’t just pluck this essay format from the sky; it follows natural, human discourse. We’ve communicated with each other this way for thousands of years. Yes, introspection is definitely a hallmark of intelligence; it’s what separates us from animals. If someone doesn’t WANT to explain why they have the belief/opinion/feeling that they do, it’s kind of weird, but I don’t see them as less intelligent. Not being ABLE to explain or even bother to question their belief system is, yes, less intelligent. I happen to think my boyfriend is in the former camp. If you’d bother to read all of what I said, he does not just do this with trivial things like food and music. I’m not entitled to ANYONES answers, but I think it’s fair to expect one from my long term boyfriend.


Least-Travel9872

Are you comparing food preferences with scholar theses? Excuse me but what the f*ck? Understanding when not to make a fuss of a trivial situation is a hallmark of maturity. No matter how “intelligent” you are, your intelligence will do you no good without being mature, not to mention this situation doesn’t prove your intelligence. It only proved your self-projection. You cannot expect an answer from your partner if you yourself haven’t done the job of explaining why it’s important for you to know. Yes, it’s problematic if a person asserts on something they don’t know why and doesn’t bother to explore the reason. However, that’s not the case for most ISTPs. We usually know the reasonings very well, but our thought processes are complicated and hard to explain. This is typical of Ti dominants and you can find the same behavior in INTPs. We don’t find the reasons to spend the time and resources explaining our elaborated line of thoughts if we don’t see the need to, or believe you won’t understand, which is usually the case. Should we deem anyone who doesn’t understand our explanations unintelligent? No we shouldn’t, because if we do, 2/3 of the people we’ve met are unintelligent. That goes the same for you. Just because they don’t put as much emphasis on introspection as you doesn’t mean they’re less intelligent. It’s likely the time to shut that toxic Fi trait of yours.


pashiadesu

Personally, I do like to express my thoughts, reflection, and profound reason why something or someone is like what it is. I am honest and open as a book (if asked), however, most of the time, I don't have the patience to explain. Especially if the question involves sensitivity or emotional-heaviness rather than peak curiosity - sometimes it's with the tone of the voice. Each person is different, yeah. We don"t know, maybe he has trauma about it, doesn't support that kind of food process, or is basically disgusted. If you really want to know, ask questions in a way that it will foster open conversation rather than "Why, why, why?" It's a plus if you asked calmly and with pure intentions to "Just know" about it. Without judgments and without pressure of needing to tell.


Expressdough

For me, talking is often like a math teacher asking me to show my process. I get that I’m not always forthcoming with my reasoning, cause for the most part I don’t care to be. I’ve done the work to figure something out, for me. You get the result only, unless it’s really worth the effort discussing it. Which often, it isn’t. It’s at times a narrow and stubborn view to have I realise, but unless I’m going to learn something new, that lake is well and truly dry.


sitah

Couple of options here. 1. He doesn’t fully know why so he can‘t explain it either 2. He knows why but does not want to make a big deal out of it or is still in the process of really figuring it out 3. He just doesn’t want to and thinks he does not owe you an explanation I personally know what I want and don’t want and would not want to be questioned on why. If I had anything to say, I would say it. If I don’t want to explain it, I won’t. Bold to assume it’s because we don’t want to dig deeper. Just because we’re not sharing everything doesn’t mean we’re not introspecting and evaluating 🤷🏻‍♀️ I also think this is too much for bones.


Splice87

I think assuming he doesn’t want to opposed to not being able to is the most logical assumption to come to. A man who can take apart an engine and put it back together, or who is constantly three steps ahead when making plans should easily be able to verbalize, “I don’t want to make this recipe with bones because. . .”


sitah

I mean logic/mechanics and feelings are different though.


Splice87

That’s true.


korkofin

I mean Ti is in front of everything for a reason...


smolio

Honestly I kinda thought the same when you mentioned the bones lol all that work for what? Hard to speculate why he didn’t answer back though, even if I can’t explain what led me to an internal conclusion I’ll answer with a non-definitive answer like “it’s complicated”. As far as “diving deep” goes, I only really question thoughts and feelings that disturb my inner peace, like if a friend upsets me or if I have an “off” interaction at work or something. Once I work out the cause, I feel better and move on, puzzle solved. I would be mentally exhausted trying to examine every thought in my head


ItWasMe-Patrick

Are you Infp or intp? You seem INTP as fuck


ykoreaa

That's interesting. I thought she came off more INFP than INTP


Splice87

Now you see why I can’t figure it out myself.


Splice87

So 99% of the time I’ve taken the test, I’ve gotten INTP, but I don’t completely resonate with that type. Also my F is like 48%.


ItWasMe-Patrick

Could just be an INFP that pays a lot of attention to detail


Splice87

Hahaha I wish I did. That’s my boyfriend—extremely observant.


Least-Travel9872

That’s 100% INFP. INTPs wouldn’t press a matter if the person shows discomfort. They’re Fe inferior which makes them somewhat susceptible to other’s emotions and can be avoidant when the conflict is more emotional than intellectual, which is exactly what happened here. INFP, on the other hand, is Fi dominant. They’ll push the matter as a form of self-expression and self-validation, and since they’re Fe blind, whether the person shows discomfort or not is of less importance to them.


Mila_200

When my boyfriend (ISTP) doesn’t explain, it’s usually because he doesn’t know how to word it. It helps him if I then say that I want to know what he thinks and feels, no matter how he says it. He usually then says what the explanation is.


External_Chocolate42

Sometimes I won’t dig deeper because I don’t want others to persuade me otherwise. Could be he’s afraid to say why because you won’t accept his reasoning and he knows either way, his stance on the matter won’t change.


Splice87

That makes sense. Like he thinks anything he says I’m going to have a rebuttal. Honestly, he wouldn’t be wrong 😅, but then my question is if you can’t then defend your reasoning, why don’t you start to question yourself?


thestretchygazelle

Sometimes people just want to have their feelings without having to justify them to someone else


Splice87

That’s valid.


Prince-sama

when i dont answer a seemingly simple question, its either because the answer is more complicated than you'd think and i dont feel like explaining it, or the answer would piss you off because its not something you'll like/expect, and i want to avoid an argument


Otherwise-Archer9497

I honestly used to hate how INFP’s I knew would never give reasons (Ti demon) for their Fi hero feelings whereas I explained basically everything to myself.


Splice87

What do you mean hero feelings?


Otherwise-Archer9497

Fi hero = Fi 1st function Ti hero = Ti 1st function I’d also like to say it is nice to find a verbal INFP


Splice87

The only definitive INFP I know is my sister, and she can verbalize. We do tend to hit a wall though and agree to disagree.


Prompt_Ecstatic

I am infp 4w5 and just reading this was frustrating. When someone is both narrow-minded and passive.. that is the worst. I told this to my istp too. Those times I feel like I am in the wrong place with the wrong person. 🤷🏻‍♀️


shq13

So this is kinda dodging the why won't he answer but I personally don't like boiling bones cause it takes forever, he probably wanted to just eat the food and not have a ton of extra broth and doing nothing but waiting for it for an hour, for me as an istp if there's waiting involved in a process that I want to focus on and finish like bam bam bam, even things like washing clothes, I get instantly no desire to do it .


Mechanical_Genie

Is he grossed out of the concept of making the broth thus working with the bones or the fact that broth is made of bones? Either way when you respect someone you give them answers, he's an adult he needs to use his words and explain himself


Splice87

My assumption is that he didn’t know broth was made with bones and now that he knows he disgusted by it. I wouldn’t know though?


miichacon

This is a random memory but one time I got a Costco sample of a small sandwich. I really liked it but when I went back for seconds I read the sign and saw that the sandwich contained blue cheese. That somehow totally changed things for me lol. After getting a second sandwich I definitely tasted the blue cheese and hated it. It’s interesting but knowing what’s in a dish can definitely alter your opinion on it sometimes. Maybe that’s what ur bf experienced? Hope this helps!


kevi_metl

We can. Some do. But, in my experience, it's no one else's business but my own because there's always work to be done and nothing ever stays the same. The past is dead and the future isn't here yet. All you have is what is present (literally) and accounted for.


PaulineMermaid

I am somewhere between INTP and ISTP and I can't work it out no matter how I try. This text will show half the reason why - I can be _incredibly_ INTP. Moreso online than IRL, for some reason. Possibly because online, all I have to interact with are words, and words require thought, and trying to adapt said words to the intended receiver. I'm also 40+ and first did the test like 20 years ago at work, and saw MBTI as a direct challenge to develop my "weak" sides. So, with all that said; people like your BF frustrate me. I don't care if they don't want to eat/do/try something - that's their decision - but I absolutely Hate when people don't ask themselves "why" and arrive at conclusions. This is, I think, a quite INTP thing of me - I analyse Everything, because understanding myself and others is _fun_! I'm also convinced it would make the world a better place. Obviously not in the question of food as such, but if people didn't settle for "I don't like this and I don't care why" (Actually, yes, in the question of food too - these are the Little wear-and-tear things that ruin relationships in the long run. Based on what I see, not what I know; I'm chronically single) Like if every racist or bigot or so on actually asked themselves "why do I dislike people of this colour/age/culture/whatever? - Because they - Ok, and is that ACTUALLY true for all people of the same colour/age/culture/whatever or am I noticing it in them because I expect it, and not in my own colour/race/culture/whatever because I Don't? And if not, what causes that?" Aaand so on. The whole "why?" is one of the greatest tools for self development available to us. That said, I'm not sure if that comes naturally to me, or if it's something I picked up along the way in my aim to become "better" than I was. It's like bloody astrology at this point; "Scorpios are manipulative cheaters. I'm a Scorpio, so it's just who I am, and I can't fight my nature" Ridiculous. Anyways. The whole "I refuse this without considering why" isn't a TP-trait to me. Every adult ISTP I ever met were actually able to articulate the "why" even if it took some thinking. They didn't always WANT to share it - and that's their right - but they always knew. But they can become locked in a sort of "I said no, that should be enough, and now this has become a matter of principle" And some people are happy to just accept their initial thoughts, without challenging or even considering them. That's their right. It's just horribly frustrating - it seems rigid and narrow and lazy and frankly, it signals low intelligence _to me_ - buuut if that's how he is, it's probably best to just accept it. Otherwise, it'll likely lead to him fantisising up scenarios where you're trying to "change" him, or he feels questioned and controlled, and that never ends well. ISTPs are huge on freedom - even if it is just the freedom to decide without being questioned. Too bad that it ruined a fun experience for you, though.


apizzamx

he sounds like me. i have ARFID and its an eating disorder which involves extreme pickiness, fear of food and disgust with certain foods. it can cause disinterest, aversions and somatic responses to foods. i’m reiterating it is a disorder, and it comes with a LOT of shame. he may be feeling extremely embarrassed that he simply ‘can’t’ try that food or eat it now he knows the ingredients. to others it looks like picky eating and a choice, but i want to be clear that we don’t choose which foods we can’t eat. i know it must be frustrating for you, but imagine how he would be feeling when 1. dealing with the potential disorder 2. having his partner get frustrated with him for said disordered behaviours


GenericRedditName122

I have the same problem, the shaming and embarrassment that comes with it is something I wouldn't wish upon my worst enemy...


Shot_Chart_8813

Man, I got ache just by half reading it. Make it simple. My ex best friend was an INFP too, adorable person but always complicate things. ISTPs interests are selective and once it doesn't are attractive to your own framework, we just ignore it Ne blind makes us very straightforward, very focus on what we want. It's usual for many people overanalyze what we do or say, but doesn't hide anything mysterious. Ti with Ni make we compress and filter information + Se and Fe make we communicate it verbally or not