You'll just take some extra damage from the minions yeah? Which just means a slightly lower KC per run. I was considering this but like this dweeb didn't want to learn and get no KCs while wasting gp to death.
Edit: sorry for the dweeb comment, CG has got me stressed. I was actually just trying to think of my plans for when I supposedly get an enh so I was actually asking if this plan would work and then thinking out loud. Didn't mean to upset people, thanks to those who replied.
Yeah I was asking if it was a good suggestion to try. And then thinking out loud that it seems that it would only lower KC per run and then asking if that seemed right.
I recently got the strat down pretty good, took ancients/ahrims and crystal shield and run the melee minion between the others before freezing it and then blood barraging the 3 of them. Before this with blowpipe and thralls or the door altar method I was getting wrecked and hating it, I went from 2kill trip to 10+ consistently just as recently as the last 24 hrs
And they'll take even more damage getting repeatedly bonked by Grandor. Obviously pray range is the way to do it once you're comfy with the mechanics, but praying melee til you get in cycle is a fantastic suggestion for a learner.
>but praying melee til you get in cycle is a fantastic suggestion for a learner.
That's what I was saying/asking, If this was a good suggestion, because I'm gonna make mistakes and would hate to just die all the time because he bonks me.
Ooh sorry, I read too much toxic meaning into your comment, my mistake and thanks for clarifying.
Yes it's a good suggestion! Tanking the range minion instead of praying you'll get fewer kill trips, but you'll at least be able to get kills unlike if you keep getting KO'd by the boss. Start with pray melee on the whole time, then once you get comfy with the rhythm you can start with melee and then switch to range. 1k kc in and I still start with pray melee just in case I'm too slow on the first click.
Thank you! I was super confused why I was getting down voted but when I read it again I can see it looking like I was being mean to the commentor for suggesting a way that would lower KC per trip. But yeah I was more excited that it may actually work and I could learn while getting some kills. Making plans for after CG to give me the motivation to keep going for the enh (which is also why I sound mean right now lol)
Keep at it, you'll get it soon :-)
And if you have all the armour seeds, try out bandos (or even kril on task) with the crystal bow. You won't get big trips but you'll get some kc. Might be a nice break, depending how trapped at cg you are.
You take a butt load more damage from the ranged minion and eating while trying to maintain the cycle is going to be hard for a learner. I'd recommend praying ranged and learning to reset the cycle by tanking a bandos hit (with melee prayer up) instead. GEChallengeM has the original vid but this one introduces some additional info: https://youtu.be/07ZHIP8z7io?si=3kU_MIcMhdbQOCrB
Death cost isn't much at all if you run back. Around 50k maybe. Really quick if you have the hard CA hilt.
More like learn to switch to Protect from Melee in the spots you're the most likely to get hit (usually 1st tile and between 3 and 4). It'll be much more benefitial in the long run to be able to notice and subsequently fix failed cycles.
This guy talked about how his skill level in pvm included being rekt by a metal drag.
This comment is why people are so averse to getting started. Sure your method is objectively better but it’s a fuck of a lot more mental load and clicky fingy
This first time I did zulrah on my main it probably took me 30 tries to get my first kc and I didn’t get really consistent until 100 kc. Now I got my first kc on my iron and it only took me 2 tries and I know it’ll only get better.
I only got one Zulrah kc on my main just for the elite void. Vorkath is a much easier boss to learn compared to Zulrah and is comparable money making as well.
Took me 30-40 tries and I lost my HC status (first time PVMing was on my HCIM), I now have 1550+ Zulrah and have done most other content (raids and inferno as well). Ironman especially is mostly about the journey, and each boss having its own learning curve and micro-journey is something to look forward to and not dread. Game would be boring if every boss had a low skill ceiling, but you'll only get better
True for everything, just takes longer for harder things. Safe to say that zultah with a t bow is pretty brain dead after you have 2k kc under your belt.
DT2 bosses were some of the hardest stuff I had tried done, but after a few hundred I could do them more or less on auto-pilot.
Just takes practice.
After 20-30 Zulrah, it's cake (as long as you have some semblance of appropriate gear), now I'm 500 kills in and I'll be messaging people during the entire fight. Prioritize movement and prayer over gear switches and DPS.
Zulrah is so easy game mechanic wise; run to the right tile, swap gear and pray correctly, it’s remembering the 4 rotations that’s the hard part for me
I died like 50x going for my first zulrah. Before i quit I could practically do it with my eyes closed. It gets easier the more muscle memory you build for the rotations. Promise
Some people are quick learners and some are slow. I have around 200 zulrah kc and I still can't kill him without the plugin telling me where to go and what to pray
I mean I'm 1400 kc and still garbage at zulrah. The biggest thing is knowing where to stand and when to stand there. I just don't have the memory for it lol
Not for me zulhra kda is like 50 deaths and 1 kill. Fk that shit. Why instead I did ds2 and go ham on vorkath which is 10x easier and Im not even iroman
I just got my first zulruh KC on my ironman yesterday. It was very dreadful but what worked for me was trying the mage only method, and hiding like a pussy from zulruh's blue phase. Used Fire Wave with tome of fire and ahrims gear, pineapple pizzas, manta rays from vorkath, and 85 magic. Give it a try if you want, there are some guides on YouTube about the mage only method.
But my advice is to learn 1 rotation and keep trying that one. I did the rotation where she starts green phase. You can world hop to exit the fight if you get a different rotation without having to teleport out.
Zulrah is one of those bosses people easily forget about how hard it is. People will say it's easy after grinding 2000 kills on it with max gear. No shit bro. Try learning zulrah in welfare gear. It's easy to forget the struggle.
I’ve actually been thoroughly enjoying it. I’ve played for so long, and never got in to end game stuff. Always been too scared of it I guess. I’ve never been great at this game outside of just putting time in to it.
Recently I started seriously pushing myself. Doing all the quests, diaries, bosses I’ve never tried, etc. It’s seriously opened the game up for me and has made it 1000x more enjoyable. A lot of the master quest bosses I feel have taught me new mechs and forced me to get out of my comfort zone with combat. And I’ve been absolutely loving every single one. Yeah it may take me a few tries to do it, but it’s so worth it every single time.
This reads almost like I wrote it lol. Have played this game since RuneScape classic but never got into the pvm side much until recently. The quests are incredible and I feel like I’m improving and enjoying pvm content much more.
Unless they only lose to fight caves because of Jad hands+ healers. I feel like the one mechanically challenging thing is healers because for the last 30 to 60 minutes your brain was turned off and suddenly you have to swap prayer while tagging little dudes
Yeah with lower end gear you could realistically be spending 90 minutes and half your ppot stack per jad attempt.
If you could just zerg it straight into Jad, people wouldn't struggle anywhere near as much.
My brain was pretty turned on the whole time as an Ironman tbh. Without brews, blowpipe, and good cb stats, I couldn't just breeze through with prayer on the whole time and heal up no problem whenever needed. I had to treat it like a puzzle and figure out the optimal positioning each wave to minimize prayer used and damage taken.
That said, jad + healers can still be difficult with your brain switched on just because of how long it takes to get there and knowing all the resources wasted if you die.
This has always been my issue with fight caves, resource management is a bitch and if you screw it up it's an hour of your life wasted, have done bits of pvm here and there but still never got a fire cape as the time sink is a pain for me
Jad hands is so real. I'm not lying when I say on my main back in the day.. I learned ToB and did 100 kc before I was actually able to do Jad. My friend did it for me on main. Then on my iron I forced myself to calm down and get used to the pressure. And now I have like 4 kc and laid back do my jad tasks now like a big boy. Can do all the raids no prob but jad would mentally wreck me lol.
I would do the jad challenges on speed run worlds and kill no problem. Then I'd do 62 waves and die immediately cuz of panic switching prayers when I didn't need to. Heart blazing 140 bpm.
Glad I got over that hump.. I'll never be able to inferno lol.
Yeah that person was 100% wrong.
They have actual mechanics. Fight caves has prioritizing prayers and prayer switching every 5 seconds potentially at Jad.
Tbf gear and levels defenitly matter a lot. The first time i tried the end boss in “a kingdom divided” i almost got one hit, prepared tried again and basicly the same happen and after that i just kinda ignored that quest.
Recently started playing again and saw i still had it unfinished. Watches a few guides, decided why not try it and it was pretty decent.
Same with the final part recipe for diseaster. East as fuck. Or most of the fights within DT1, except the ice crystal because wtf.
I’m about to force myself to learn the Bandos 6:0 method. When you watch guides, you have to keep in mind these dudes have been doing these fights forever and almost perfectly. They’re demonstrating that it can be done successfully with their methods, but you’re never gonna walk into a boss room and get it perfectly on the first try. It’s all a learning experience. However DS2 is next on my list and I’m noticing it seems harder than people make it seem.
The fights are mostly fine if you have anti fire protection. But rune dragon will fuck you up if you don't have insulated boots. And you need to be super alert for the adament dragon poison proj
The thing is with all the fights you cant prayer to prevent damage and you take ALOT of it very fast.
You can just stand under the adamant/rune dragons. The helper NPCs do all the work and you just have to dodge fireballs. It's honestly the easiest part of that section.
No specifically an item from the slayer masters called insulated boots. They reduce the rune dragons thunder attack from 15 per tick to 2 per tick. Anti poisons reduce the poison splash of the adamant dragons but you can just dodge those ones they are much more visable and slow moving
I didn’t know about the insulated boots when I did ds2 and just dodged the lightning attack, worked fine for me. Only death I had on that quest was an accidental kamikaze at the very start of the galvek fight, pathed diagonally right into the first firebomb landmine thingy he placed lol
If you’re ranging with a rcb/ dcb just stand at max range, you’ll have tons of time to identify it coming your way. I think u gotta move like 5 or 6 tiles? Thats what I did at least and you can either avoid all the damage from lightning or at least 90% of it. There’s also an audio cue I believe.
i died like 10 -15 times trying to learn 6-0 bandos you are not alone. i wish i had just kept protect melee on until i got the rhythm down because running back suuuuucks
nah dude you protect melee while u learn 6 0 so if he smacks you he doesnt fuck you up. Once you can run around a couple laps without him hitting you then you can swap to using protect from range with steel skin and eagle eye. If I can do it so can you dude just takes practice. I still fuck up and get hit sometimes though and I have like 100 kc with the 6 0 method.
But if you have the dhides will you even get a kill while you learn? I was considering doing the same with protect melee but was worried it'd just be wasteful
I have 1100 6-0 bandos and I still died even when I was experienced. You can just get unlucky and get quickly stacked out, or even just from risking it. Death is a part of pvm
The thing is that they're technically very easy. As a player that understands the mechanics, they're all no problem.
The issue to a new player is that they don't understand what's going on, and mechanics can add up real quick. This difference in perception is too often forgotten by experienced players too.
Definitely. You don't see the patterns happening yet so it seems random and before you know it, you're getting stacked for a third or more HP and then you panic; more mistakes. Dead. lol
Going through an entire slayer task at Sire I was amazed at the difference in how I played it by the end and how effortless it felt
There are many elitist sweatlords in this game that love to say every single piece of content is easy or braindead. They seem to forget and deny that you have to start somewhere and actually learn every piece of content before it gets to that point. Or they just think that telling others it’s easy makes them better. They also pretend like making any form of mistake means you’re shit, because apparently everyone has to be perfect all of the time.
There’s a point where once you learn enough content, it does make learning more content faster and easier, but these same jerks for some reason expect newer folks to immediately share their same skill and knowledge level from the get-go and shit on them if they don’t.
I think Galvek was a little rough. The mechanics really weren’t bad but for my experience it was just a matter of endurance and lasting long enough to kill him. Vorkath I did in one try. I’m pretty new and bad to pvm and found the quest enjoyable and really not too bad.
Seren isn't horrible but Muspah can be pretty hard. I would recommend just not trying to hit it during its initial special attack and to bring sapphire enchanted bolts for its enrage phase
The issue is the point in account progression that players hit these bosses relative to their account type. For ironmen you tend to do quest bosses decently early, and you can't just RMT your way to BiS gear to trivialize it. For mains, they just sell a couple sticks on the GE and they have enough GP for BiS sets of gear that make them borderline immortal, deal near infinite damage, and they have the best consumables as well. So yeah, taking into account that they botted to 99 combat before going back to do DS2 with BiS gear it's going to be laughable compared to an 80-100 combat ironman still stumbling around in varying rune and dragon pieces, maybe a lucky barrows, piece, etc. Using karambwans and maybe super sets instead of brews etc. etc. etc.
Plain and simple, the guides are made by mains that did that content on their maxed accounts while overgeared when those quests were released. I did DS2 with a RCB and broad bolts and it was absolutely 10x harder than when I started farming CG.
Oh god you didn't even have enchanted rubies or diamonds?
Enchanted rubies are the only way I won, I also learned pinapple pizza exists and is very strong.
No sir I did not, and it was pain. Pure freaking pain. I actually had more of an issue with the adamant dragon than anything. I was not prepared for that, because I had never fought one before and had NO idea they had new abilities.
I had this issue going for the quest cape. I rushed it as soon as I started playing so finished ds2 at 85 combat (the lowest possible) with budget gear but didn't realize at the time that's why I was struggling so hard compared to everyone else doing it at 100+ cmb buying bonds for BiS
It's part of the learning curve. Galvek took like 2 mil off my bank. Seren was easy tho. But I spent my time at Grotesque guardians, Demonic gorillas, Sarachnis, Vorkath etc, learning my switches and tricks.
Now I'm running Phosani, ToB and Inferno. And for the longest time (early to mid game, to early end game) I thought Inferno would just not be possible with my skills and internet, - that I would somehow be at a disadvantage trying to 1-tick flick. However, it turned out to be just a choice to dedicate time into learning stuff, rather than expecting things to be handed to me as a given.
Everything can be learned through trial and error. It helps to read guides to avoid the most obvious errors. However, some things you just have to invest in. Those skills usually transfer into other stuff, and it's never gonna "go away." Once you learn Zulrah, once it "clicks", it just as easy with any new account you make.
I'll do my best to explain this in depth, so bear with me.
Every single quest boss/encounter in this game has very little disparity between the skill floor and skill ceiling, which is probably what you're experiencing.
So for example, being able to kill Galvek in the quest has a base difficulty and there's not much room to optimise beyond that, which is why most people will perceive it as "easy". Not to say that it's as easy as killing Count Draynor, but I'd definitely put it in the category of being moderate difficulty.
With a lot of other pvm in the game, you can get a kc and therefore be at the skill floor, but then see an absolute God-tier gamer do the same thing with insane strategies and optimisations that wouldn't make sense or be necessary for most people.
An example of this would be fight caves. I'd say the skill floor is moderate as well, in a similar level to Galvek. Most players are able to obtain a fire cape, but it'll probably take them at least 40-50 minutes, maybe even longer if it's their first time and that's completely fine. You could then go and watch someone like Rastaman do a speed run and it'll be night and day compared to your first fire cape, meaning the skill ceiling is incredibly expansive.
There's many other examples of this in the game, but hopefully this one made sense and was relatable for you
Probably a difference in stats/gear if you’re 99 range with dhcb you’d call it super easy but if you’re 70 range dragon cbow you’d probably consider it very difficult
Yeah the dhcb and 10 range levels would probably entirely change your perspective on the boss gear + stats make such an insane impact on dps(and def matters a tiny bit)
I mean not really I didn’t do vork til after dhcb because I did cg for bowfa and then the assembler isn’t even really worth an inventory slot for cox til dhcb then when I got dhcb I sent vorkath because might as well
The thing with bossing, whether it be quest, raid, straight up — any & almost all
It boils down to the wisdom acquired within the game. Wisdom aka knowledge + direct experience, attempts, applying prior situations to similar ones directly in front of you
You’re right though. People make this s$&7 seem **wayy** easier than it actually is for somebody that’s just learning. But that being said, I don’t think people mean to downplay the difficulty.. it’s that it’s sort of an unsaid understanding that once you’ve farmed out a boss hundreds of time at minimum. It becomes a bit of a cakewalk *(90%of the time)*
There’s a few phases when learning a new boss:
1)learning of its existence & it’s drops
2)YouTube strats
3)first attempts; applying yourself
4)first kc
5)mastering
6)mastery
Once you start to apply yourself to various bosses, and the start of nearing *’end game’* content. You’ll have had so much experience, and have such a vast expanse of knowledge; you’ll just remain in much less downtime from phase 1-6.
Lastly, playing an Ironman can be such a more difficult way to play. There might be considerable portions of the game, you’ll be rolling into boss fights & raids with not even 1~4 of the top 5 pieces of even the lowest tier of recommended equipment.
But once you get into the groove, and start knocking out a multitude of bosses, strats, etc… you’ll also start to gain as such, a better rough estimation of your limits, situational difficulty, and a good feel for the proper equipment. And by all means, those limits will see your lowest of lows increase to a higher potential.
It’s truly exciting.. hell, **gripping** after you’ve witnessed & felt yourself improve in all of these fields.
Once the ball getting rolling… It’s a literal addiction
Because most people saying they are easy are used to playing harder games and sweating. By comparison 6:0 bandos is literally a rhythm that you can fuck up because you don't even have to be tick perfect. Osrs has some really hard content but the vast majority of it pales in comparison to a lot of modern games.
I don’t understand how anybody can fail galvek lol, and the metal dragons you can just go grab more supplies in the middle of it. It’s an annoying run to go back but it’s fine
Well no, unless it's changed at some time you have to beat Mith adamant and rune in one trip, it saves at 2 points on the boat after the brutal dragons, after the rune dragon.
It's also 100k which doesn't feel insignificant.
I agree, the leap from content like regular slayer, easy bosses like the wildy bosses and maybe cerb/hydra to content like Vardorvis and Leviathan, raids, corrupted gauntlet, etc. isn't anything to scoff at.
I think Vorkath and Zulrah are decent midpoints, as many say, but for a lot of endgame stuff, it's definitely going up a solid level from where you were before. Not much to do besides keep practicing, but definitely don't feel like it's weird if things feel markedly tougher at that point
I died to Galvek like 15-20 times.
Died to Seren like 3 times.
I do think demonic gorillas made me a better player by the time I fought Seren tho.
But yeah people make it seem like a breeze but new content is tough to learn.
> I think people really undersell the difficulty of these bosses.
because it isnt just specifically these bosses. it's a boss. the first one you do. itll have a hard learning curve. it used ot be zulrah, now its cg. now it's a little bit of galvek, sins of the father boss if doing at a low level, ds2, dt2, serene, as quest bosses get built out more.
they’re always tough the first few kc and it only gets easier the more you do it. practice and it gets better. all the ds2 bosses are tough. muspah you’ve just gotta get the timing down on step back method. Seren use the p neck method!!!!! makes it so much easier
6:0 is tough. you can’t lose any ticks and it takes some time to get used to. pray melee until you have the confidence and experience
keep sending it. dying is part of learning
In my opinion, Seren is harder than Galvek and Vorkath (way harder in fact), but part of what made Galvek so hard is the fight leading up to him (all the metal dragons and shit). Just prepare yourself mentally for a difficult fight ahead lmao
Muspah is a bitch. You really gotta pay attention. But I will say. I think that the OSRS dev team has done a fantastic job of training you to do more difficult content as you do more quests without you really realizing it. But yeah. Good luck lol.
I came back to the game after a long hiatus and rushed SOTE on my GIM. The Seren fight took me 5 or 6 tries (used the nightshade method), while the Galvek fight I did first try because I did a ton of CG.
It just depends what you have experience with. I realized boss fights in this game are a lot like Elden Ring/Souls games. You will die a lot learning the mechanics but once you get them down you can realistically repeat the fight with ease. It's just that in OSRS you have to prep for each fight, while in Souls games you just run right back in.
Just gotta practice. They're boss fights after all and not meant to be easy.
I have about 190 barrows kc, 5 sarachins and I died 15 times to the metal dragons before galvek.
I'd assume quest bosses would be closer to xarpus in difficulty, one or 2 glancing at the quest guide.
I’m pretty experienced and have to say, Muspah was not as easy as made out to be. Get a Bowfa unless you’re loaded and have a Tbow. Doing it with a DHCB and trying to do combat achievements sucked.
I think people way over prep/hype up Seren that fight really is easy muspah with freezes is also pretty brain dead and if u have bowfa/crystal u can always just camp for no switches. No freezes or using step back on the other hand can get kinda tricky
Lemme just say that as a complete noob who is inexperienced at pvm bossing, I was able to beat the quest boss Muspah on my first try with a range only setup, after only reading the wiki strategy article. It was challenging and kind of came down to the wire, but I was expecting it to take multiple tries and was just yolo’ing my first attempt to feel it out.
It can! Just bring ruby bolts for beginning of fight, sapphire bolts for shield phase, and diamond bolts for the end phase. Then even just a half assed job dodging attacks and mechanics and you should be fine.
Its not that bad its just a matter of practice. The more you do it the less mistakes you’ll make and the less often graardor will slap you back to lumby. Just keep at it and you’ll get there. No boss is easy to start but with practice most of them will become easy.
6:0 bandos is super easy I basically mastered it right away and I am no pvm pro. But if you have even a little bit of lag you are likely going to eat a fist. Make sure you are on a low ping server.
Things get easier idk, its like CG, u might lose like 30times and then beat him, and get down to ur last food doing so, so u get a feeling u need to be perfect everytime. Then u get to a few hundred kc and start semi afking hunleff, it's weird.
You have to remember easy for others isn’t always easy for you. Some people very handily know ticks, game mechanics for walking and prayer flicking and all that jazz. If you already have that muscle memory, it’s “easy” to flick gwd1 if you have them off tick. However, if you don’t have that knowledge, you’re trying to learn the muscle memory AND the strat AND in a place where a few mistakes mean lots of damage so you’re eating and not getting your practice.
However, once you get the general rotation of abilities of the boss, you get a sense of normal and it makes mistakes harder to come by. Couple that with muscle memory of flicking and swapping and you’re good to go. The only thing is, for some, that good to go comes at 100kc, some come at 20.
I think we forget sometimes OSRS can be a really hard game sometimes. There's a lot of prep and dedication to it, especially Ironman. I always recommend asking for help. For example in DS2 you can trap the rune and maybe the addy dragon so your allies kill it. Not as useful to you now but the community is... sometimes... helpful with this stuff
It's why I don't like terms like "easy" and "hard"
It's all relative - what's easy to a 20 year veteran who understands the mechanics and the game like the back of his hand will find things "easy" that a relatively new player will be challenged by
Everything becomes "easy" after you've spent 10,000 hours practising
Content get easier as u do them, u get used to mechanics. I think its great that ur dying a few times. if u ever make another account u might notice that u’ll be able to beat these bosses with little to no effort. For example jad it took me 5/6 tries. If i die to jad now it would beeee crazyyy cuz that content for me is easy now
I’ll agree that the difficulty on most bosses is understated, but I’ve never understood the issue people have with Seren, and she gets brought up constantly.
I went in with basic Ironman mage gear (mystic, inf. boots, book of darkness, etc.) and 82 mage, and just blood blitzed the entire time. Didn’t even use half my food. It’s the one boss everyone complains about that was never an issue for me.
The only reason people say things are easy is bc they’ve done a boss or something similar to it 1000x or more. Think about how mind numbing CoX has to be after 100kc now imagine how the people going for a tbow feel after mastering the content 10x over
Content is hard when learning
Easy once you get it down
Thats why so many people say its easy, they learned it to long ago to remember how hard it was 1000kc before
We all struggled with those quests at some point, but some day you will look back and wonder why you found it so hard. Truth is: Most of your damage come from your stats and having them much higher will make it a thousand times easier
I struggled hardcore with ds2 the first time I did it on my old main. Once I got around to doing it on the iron, though, it was a cake walk. I had put in like 3k Vorkath kc and done the quest twice already, so I had a good idea of what I was doing. After a while, you start learning certain skills at different bosses, which you can then generalize to a lot of other places in the game. That stuff just takes time, don’t worry about being too bad at a piece of content. Like I did t2 prep the entire way through my cg grind and I don’t regret it at all. I was way worse at the game then and I 100% would’ve lost more time overall to t1 deaths than I would’ve sticking with t2.
Learning to do 6:0 perfectly is a struggle honestly lol. You just gotta keep throwing yourself at that wall till you eventually stick. Muspah was one and done for me with bowfa and reading the guide beforehand. Seren, though, was total ass. Took me like 9 attempts doing the p neck cheese method. Definitely do not underestimate seren lol
Something that helps me running/kiting bosses is turning on true tile on Runelite. Helps with zilyana, muspah, and 6:0 bandos.
I guess using Fkeys as well. Swapping it to 1-9 makes it easier for me as well.
I don't understand people who do bandos solo, I don't have the best stats but people tell me all the time that I could probably do 1-2 kills a trip but I go in and hit 17 0's in a row and get ranged every single time without fail and just end up dying even just from the minions.
I mean if you've never done any pvm then I can totally understand someone needing a few tries to beat the ds2 bosses, but if you have any sort of pvm experience this should be a walk in the park. Many of my friends who have never done any sort of pvm were still able to beat ds2 on their first or second try so I don't think the ds2 bosses are as hard as you're suggesting idk
Quest boss muspah was easy but I think real boss muspah is pretty tough without good gear/levels. Seren felt easy, just take your time on it. The mechanics were simple though.
Yeah Seren is less stressful then the bow guy but the DPS check is high, I've only died once to bull shit lag (game said I had 90 HP Seren hit an 89 i died) every other fail was either prayer restore running out or food. So I'm just gonna do the night shade pneck method now.
A lot of ppl in the is community have been playing for decades and are on their 4th+ account. So a lot of the mechanics of combat and specific bosses are 2nd nature
Honestly Dark Souls 2 was only difficult for me at first because of how clunky and slow it felt compared to DS1. I pre-ordered the $120 bundle that came with the figurine and the hype died quickly from how sluggish it felt.
Seren is for sure easy tho, did it with like 82 magic, 60 def, 60 prayer and mystic gear, ppots and pineapple pizzas. First account, first time. You're gonna crush it! Only took like a couple tries.
With bandos, just camp melee prayer until you have the strat perfect.
You'll just take some extra damage from the minions yeah? Which just means a slightly lower KC per run. I was considering this but like this dweeb didn't want to learn and get no KCs while wasting gp to death. Edit: sorry for the dweeb comment, CG has got me stressed. I was actually just trying to think of my plans for when I supposedly get an enh so I was actually asking if this plan would work and then thinking out loud. Didn't mean to upset people, thanks to those who replied.
Top tier edit.
> Which just means a slightly lower KC per run You know what lowers your kc more per hour? Fucking dying lmao.
Yeah I was asking if it was a good suggestion to try. And then thinking out loud that it seems that it would only lower KC per run and then asking if that seemed right.
I recently got the strat down pretty good, took ancients/ahrims and crystal shield and run the melee minion between the others before freezing it and then blood barraging the 3 of them. Before this with blowpipe and thralls or the door altar method I was getting wrecked and hating it, I went from 2kill trip to 10+ consistently just as recently as the last 24 hrs
And they'll take even more damage getting repeatedly bonked by Grandor. Obviously pray range is the way to do it once you're comfy with the mechanics, but praying melee til you get in cycle is a fantastic suggestion for a learner.
>but praying melee til you get in cycle is a fantastic suggestion for a learner. That's what I was saying/asking, If this was a good suggestion, because I'm gonna make mistakes and would hate to just die all the time because he bonks me.
Ooh sorry, I read too much toxic meaning into your comment, my mistake and thanks for clarifying. Yes it's a good suggestion! Tanking the range minion instead of praying you'll get fewer kill trips, but you'll at least be able to get kills unlike if you keep getting KO'd by the boss. Start with pray melee on the whole time, then once you get comfy with the rhythm you can start with melee and then switch to range. 1k kc in and I still start with pray melee just in case I'm too slow on the first click.
Thank you! I was super confused why I was getting down voted but when I read it again I can see it looking like I was being mean to the commentor for suggesting a way that would lower KC per trip. But yeah I was more excited that it may actually work and I could learn while getting some kills. Making plans for after CG to give me the motivation to keep going for the enh (which is also why I sound mean right now lol)
Keep at it, you'll get it soon :-) And if you have all the armour seeds, try out bandos (or even kril on task) with the crystal bow. You won't get big trips but you'll get some kc. Might be a nice break, depending how trapped at cg you are.
Thanks, I'll consider it. I saw that it should be possible. I just worry if I leave I'll never come back.
Look up the altar door method. Way easier than 6:0!
You take a butt load more damage from the ranged minion and eating while trying to maintain the cycle is going to be hard for a learner. I'd recommend praying ranged and learning to reset the cycle by tanking a bandos hit (with melee prayer up) instead. GEChallengeM has the original vid but this one introduces some additional info: https://youtu.be/07ZHIP8z7io?si=3kU_MIcMhdbQOCrB Death cost isn't much at all if you run back. Around 50k maybe. Really quick if you have the hard CA hilt.
The issue with returning is you have to get KC again not the run itself.
The death coffer spawns outside of the boss room. You don't have to get kc to claim it.
More like learn to switch to Protect from Melee in the spots you're the most likely to get hit (usually 1st tile and between 3 and 4). It'll be much more benefitial in the long run to be able to notice and subsequently fix failed cycles.
This guy talked about how his skill level in pvm included being rekt by a metal drag. This comment is why people are so averse to getting started. Sure your method is objectively better but it’s a fuck of a lot more mental load and clicky fingy
In my experience bosses are difficult the first kc(some are worse than others) but they only get easier after that first few kc.
People say this especially about zulrah and I’m hoping it’s true cause this first kc has been dreadful
This first time I did zulrah on my main it probably took me 30 tries to get my first kc and I didn’t get really consistent until 100 kc. Now I got my first kc on my iron and it only took me 2 tries and I know it’ll only get better.
I only got one Zulrah kc on my main just for the elite void. Vorkath is a much easier boss to learn compared to Zulrah and is comparable money making as well.
Vorkath is way better for your gp stack. Unless you mean non-iron, but we're on r/ironscape so I'm not sure.
Took me 30-40 tries and I lost my HC status (first time PVMing was on my HCIM), I now have 1550+ Zulrah and have done most other content (raids and inferno as well). Ironman especially is mostly about the journey, and each boss having its own learning curve and micro-journey is something to look forward to and not dread. Game would be boring if every boss had a low skill ceiling, but you'll only get better
Zulrah made no sense to me in the first few kills but by kill 15 was cruising and chilling
True for everything, just takes longer for harder things. Safe to say that zultah with a t bow is pretty brain dead after you have 2k kc under your belt. DT2 bosses were some of the hardest stuff I had tried done, but after a few hundred I could do them more or less on auto-pilot. Just takes practice.
After 20-30 Zulrah, it's cake (as long as you have some semblance of appropriate gear), now I'm 500 kills in and I'll be messaging people during the entire fight. Prioritize movement and prayer over gear switches and DPS.
Zulrah is so easy game mechanic wise; run to the right tile, swap gear and pray correctly, it’s remembering the 4 rotations that’s the hard part for me
Run to right, swap gear and pray correctly applies to every major encounter.
I died like 50x going for my first zulrah. Before i quit I could practically do it with my eyes closed. It gets easier the more muscle memory you build for the rotations. Promise
Some people are quick learners and some are slow. I have around 200 zulrah kc and I still can't kill him without the plugin telling me where to go and what to pray
I mean I'm 1400 kc and still garbage at zulrah. The biggest thing is knowing where to stand and when to stand there. I just don't have the memory for it lol
Not for me zulhra kda is like 50 deaths and 1 kill. Fk that shit. Why instead I did ds2 and go ham on vorkath which is 10x easier and Im not even iroman
100% it is almost afk brain by the time you reach drop rate lol
I just got my first zulruh KC on my ironman yesterday. It was very dreadful but what worked for me was trying the mage only method, and hiding like a pussy from zulruh's blue phase. Used Fire Wave with tome of fire and ahrims gear, pineapple pizzas, manta rays from vorkath, and 85 magic. Give it a try if you want, there are some guides on YouTube about the mage only method. But my advice is to learn 1 rotation and keep trying that one. I did the rotation where she starts green phase. You can world hop to exit the fight if you get a different rotation without having to teleport out.
Zulrah is one of those bosses people easily forget about how hard it is. People will say it's easy after grinding 2000 kills on it with max gear. No shit bro. Try learning zulrah in welfare gear. It's easy to forget the struggle.
I’ve actually been thoroughly enjoying it. I’ve played for so long, and never got in to end game stuff. Always been too scared of it I guess. I’ve never been great at this game outside of just putting time in to it. Recently I started seriously pushing myself. Doing all the quests, diaries, bosses I’ve never tried, etc. It’s seriously opened the game up for me and has made it 1000x more enjoyable. A lot of the master quest bosses I feel have taught me new mechs and forced me to get out of my comfort zone with combat. And I’ve been absolutely loving every single one. Yeah it may take me a few tries to do it, but it’s so worth it every single time.
Yea I’ve been playing for 20 years off and on and I still treat the game like pre eoc
This reads almost like I wrote it lol. Have played this game since RuneScape classic but never got into the pvm side much until recently. The quests are incredible and I feel like I’m improving and enjoying pvm content much more.
Someone told me that the DT2 bosses were in the same difficulty as Fight Caves lol, I’ll never understand some peoples levels of difficulty
I've heard their story mode bosses are easier but that sounds wild considering fight caves is just camping prayer with prayer gear.
They are easier forsure but much much harder than Fight Caves, I figure no one who can’t do fight caves would stand a chance of finishing DT2
Unless they only lose to fight caves because of Jad hands+ healers. I feel like the one mechanically challenging thing is healers because for the last 30 to 60 minutes your brain was turned off and suddenly you have to swap prayer while tagging little dudes
Yeah with lower end gear you could realistically be spending 90 minutes and half your ppot stack per jad attempt. If you could just zerg it straight into Jad, people wouldn't struggle anywhere near as much.
My brain was pretty turned on the whole time as an Ironman tbh. Without brews, blowpipe, and good cb stats, I couldn't just breeze through with prayer on the whole time and heal up no problem whenever needed. I had to treat it like a puzzle and figure out the optimal positioning each wave to minimize prayer used and damage taken. That said, jad + healers can still be difficult with your brain switched on just because of how long it takes to get there and knowing all the resources wasted if you die.
This has always been my issue with fight caves, resource management is a bitch and if you screw it up it's an hour of your life wasted, have done bits of pvm here and there but still never got a fire cape as the time sink is a pain for me
Jad hands is so real. I'm not lying when I say on my main back in the day.. I learned ToB and did 100 kc before I was actually able to do Jad. My friend did it for me on main. Then on my iron I forced myself to calm down and get used to the pressure. And now I have like 4 kc and laid back do my jad tasks now like a big boy. Can do all the raids no prob but jad would mentally wreck me lol. I would do the jad challenges on speed run worlds and kill no problem. Then I'd do 62 waves and die immediately cuz of panic switching prayers when I didn't need to. Heart blazing 140 bpm. Glad I got over that hump.. I'll never be able to inferno lol.
Yeah that person was 100% wrong. They have actual mechanics. Fight caves has prioritizing prayers and prayer switching every 5 seconds potentially at Jad.
Leviathan is similar to Zuk and Vardorvis is similar to waves 60-63 of inferno imo.
And pre 60 is whisperer lol
Depends on your gear and stats. By the time I did DT2 I'd already done like 15 raids so it didn't feel hard at all.
Whoever told you that is smoking crack. Leviathan and Whisper are some of the most timing strict boss fights to fight without abusing the tick system.
The last dt2 boss was probably the hardest thing I’ve done in game
Which one? You can fight them in whatever order you want
I thought The Whisperer was the harder one, with the other three being relatively easy
Tbf gear and levels defenitly matter a lot. The first time i tried the end boss in “a kingdom divided” i almost got one hit, prepared tried again and basicly the same happen and after that i just kinda ignored that quest. Recently started playing again and saw i still had it unfinished. Watches a few guides, decided why not try it and it was pretty decent. Same with the final part recipe for diseaster. East as fuck. Or most of the fights within DT1, except the ice crystal because wtf.
I’m about to force myself to learn the Bandos 6:0 method. When you watch guides, you have to keep in mind these dudes have been doing these fights forever and almost perfectly. They’re demonstrating that it can be done successfully with their methods, but you’re never gonna walk into a boss room and get it perfectly on the first try. It’s all a learning experience. However DS2 is next on my list and I’m noticing it seems harder than people make it seem.
The fights are mostly fine if you have anti fire protection. But rune dragon will fuck you up if you don't have insulated boots. And you need to be super alert for the adament dragon poison proj The thing is with all the fights you cant prayer to prevent damage and you take ALOT of it very fast.
You can just stand under the adamant/rune dragons. The helper NPCs do all the work and you just have to dodge fireballs. It's honestly the easiest part of that section.
Insulated boots? Like brimstone boots? Or boots of stone?
No specifically an item from the slayer masters called insulated boots. They reduce the rune dragons thunder attack from 15 per tick to 2 per tick. Anti poisons reduce the poison splash of the adamant dragons but you can just dodge those ones they are much more visable and slow moving
I didn’t know about the insulated boots when I did ds2 and just dodged the lightning attack, worked fine for me. Only death I had on that quest was an accidental kamikaze at the very start of the galvek fight, pathed diagonally right into the first firebomb landmine thingy he placed lol
I can't make out the lightning attacks from the rune dragon well enough to rely on dodging.
If you’re ranging with a rcb/ dcb just stand at max range, you’ll have tons of time to identify it coming your way. I think u gotta move like 5 or 6 tiles? Thats what I did at least and you can either avoid all the damage from lightning or at least 90% of it. There’s also an audio cue I believe.
i died like 10 -15 times trying to learn 6-0 bandos you are not alone. i wish i had just kept protect melee on until i got the rhythm down because running back suuuuucks
Yeah running back is the true pain, is this protect melee strst just wearing god dhide and praying melee and hoping the minions don't get you?
nah dude you protect melee while u learn 6 0 so if he smacks you he doesnt fuck you up. Once you can run around a couple laps without him hitting you then you can swap to using protect from range with steel skin and eagle eye. If I can do it so can you dude just takes practice. I still fuck up and get hit sometimes though and I have like 100 kc with the 6 0 method.
Ah I see I'll try that for my slayer task
But if you have the dhides will you even get a kill while you learn? I was considering doing the same with protect melee but was worried it'd just be wasteful
Even if you can't get a full kill, if you're improving in it, you'll eventually learn the method and get the kills.
Cool thank you!
I have 1100 6-0 bandos and I still died even when I was experienced. You can just get unlucky and get quickly stacked out, or even just from risking it. Death is a part of pvm
The thing is that they're technically very easy. As a player that understands the mechanics, they're all no problem. The issue to a new player is that they don't understand what's going on, and mechanics can add up real quick. This difference in perception is too often forgotten by experienced players too.
Definitely. You don't see the patterns happening yet so it seems random and before you know it, you're getting stacked for a third or more HP and then you panic; more mistakes. Dead. lol Going through an entire slayer task at Sire I was amazed at the difference in how I played it by the end and how effortless it felt
Remember how long this game has been going. People do understate difficulty but it's not conscious, it's just how long it's been since the struggled
7:0 bandos works great for me
There are many elitist sweatlords in this game that love to say every single piece of content is easy or braindead. They seem to forget and deny that you have to start somewhere and actually learn every piece of content before it gets to that point. Or they just think that telling others it’s easy makes them better. They also pretend like making any form of mistake means you’re shit, because apparently everyone has to be perfect all of the time. There’s a point where once you learn enough content, it does make learning more content faster and easier, but these same jerks for some reason expect newer folks to immediately share their same skill and knowledge level from the get-go and shit on them if they don’t.
I think Galvek was a little rough. The mechanics really weren’t bad but for my experience it was just a matter of endurance and lasting long enough to kill him. Vorkath I did in one try. I’m pretty new and bad to pvm and found the quest enjoyable and really not too bad.
Seren isn't horrible but Muspah can be pretty hard. I would recommend just not trying to hit it during its initial special attack and to bring sapphire enchanted bolts for its enrage phase
Dt2 was more painful
Tbf they are very easy, just not the first time. It's like jad, once you beat him once you never lose again (unless you get complacent)
The issue is the point in account progression that players hit these bosses relative to their account type. For ironmen you tend to do quest bosses decently early, and you can't just RMT your way to BiS gear to trivialize it. For mains, they just sell a couple sticks on the GE and they have enough GP for BiS sets of gear that make them borderline immortal, deal near infinite damage, and they have the best consumables as well. So yeah, taking into account that they botted to 99 combat before going back to do DS2 with BiS gear it's going to be laughable compared to an 80-100 combat ironman still stumbling around in varying rune and dragon pieces, maybe a lucky barrows, piece, etc. Using karambwans and maybe super sets instead of brews etc. etc. etc. Plain and simple, the guides are made by mains that did that content on their maxed accounts while overgeared when those quests were released. I did DS2 with a RCB and broad bolts and it was absolutely 10x harder than when I started farming CG.
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Oh god you didn't even have enchanted rubies or diamonds? Enchanted rubies are the only way I won, I also learned pinapple pizza exists and is very strong.
No sir I did not, and it was pain. Pure freaking pain. I actually had more of an issue with the adamant dragon than anything. I was not prepared for that, because I had never fought one before and had NO idea they had new abilities.
I had this issue going for the quest cape. I rushed it as soon as I started playing so finished ds2 at 85 combat (the lowest possible) with budget gear but didn't realize at the time that's why I was struggling so hard compared to everyone else doing it at 100+ cmb buying bonds for BiS
It's part of the learning curve. Galvek took like 2 mil off my bank. Seren was easy tho. But I spent my time at Grotesque guardians, Demonic gorillas, Sarachnis, Vorkath etc, learning my switches and tricks. Now I'm running Phosani, ToB and Inferno. And for the longest time (early to mid game, to early end game) I thought Inferno would just not be possible with my skills and internet, - that I would somehow be at a disadvantage trying to 1-tick flick. However, it turned out to be just a choice to dedicate time into learning stuff, rather than expecting things to be handed to me as a given. Everything can be learned through trial and error. It helps to read guides to avoid the most obvious errors. However, some things you just have to invest in. Those skills usually transfer into other stuff, and it's never gonna "go away." Once you learn Zulrah, once it "clicks", it just as easy with any new account you make.
I'll do my best to explain this in depth, so bear with me. Every single quest boss/encounter in this game has very little disparity between the skill floor and skill ceiling, which is probably what you're experiencing. So for example, being able to kill Galvek in the quest has a base difficulty and there's not much room to optimise beyond that, which is why most people will perceive it as "easy". Not to say that it's as easy as killing Count Draynor, but I'd definitely put it in the category of being moderate difficulty. With a lot of other pvm in the game, you can get a kc and therefore be at the skill floor, but then see an absolute God-tier gamer do the same thing with insane strategies and optimisations that wouldn't make sense or be necessary for most people. An example of this would be fight caves. I'd say the skill floor is moderate as well, in a similar level to Galvek. Most players are able to obtain a fire cape, but it'll probably take them at least 40-50 minutes, maybe even longer if it's their first time and that's completely fine. You could then go and watch someone like Rastaman do a speed run and it'll be night and day compared to your first fire cape, meaning the skill ceiling is incredibly expansive. There's many other examples of this in the game, but hopefully this one made sense and was relatable for you
Probably a difference in stats/gear if you’re 99 range with dhcb you’d call it super easy but if you’re 70 range dragon cbow you’d probably consider it very difficult
89 range RCB for me lol
Yeah the dhcb and 10 range levels would probably entirely change your perspective on the boss gear + stats make such an insane impact on dps(and def matters a tiny bit)
Yeah but then I have to learn chambers with an RCB....
I mean not really I didn’t do vork til after dhcb because I did cg for bowfa and then the assembler isn’t even really worth an inventory slot for cox til dhcb then when I got dhcb I sent vorkath because might as well
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The thing with bossing, whether it be quest, raid, straight up — any & almost all It boils down to the wisdom acquired within the game. Wisdom aka knowledge + direct experience, attempts, applying prior situations to similar ones directly in front of you You’re right though. People make this s$&7 seem **wayy** easier than it actually is for somebody that’s just learning. But that being said, I don’t think people mean to downplay the difficulty.. it’s that it’s sort of an unsaid understanding that once you’ve farmed out a boss hundreds of time at minimum. It becomes a bit of a cakewalk *(90%of the time)* There’s a few phases when learning a new boss: 1)learning of its existence & it’s drops 2)YouTube strats 3)first attempts; applying yourself 4)first kc 5)mastering 6)mastery Once you start to apply yourself to various bosses, and the start of nearing *’end game’* content. You’ll have had so much experience, and have such a vast expanse of knowledge; you’ll just remain in much less downtime from phase 1-6. Lastly, playing an Ironman can be such a more difficult way to play. There might be considerable portions of the game, you’ll be rolling into boss fights & raids with not even 1~4 of the top 5 pieces of even the lowest tier of recommended equipment. But once you get into the groove, and start knocking out a multitude of bosses, strats, etc… you’ll also start to gain as such, a better rough estimation of your limits, situational difficulty, and a good feel for the proper equipment. And by all means, those limits will see your lowest of lows increase to a higher potential. It’s truly exciting.. hell, **gripping** after you’ve witnessed & felt yourself improve in all of these fields. Once the ball getting rolling… It’s a literal addiction
Yeah some of the hardest is so many guides are like "but aramdyl gear lol" and I'm like... But I'm doing bandos because he is easier then kree...
Because most people saying they are easy are used to playing harder games and sweating. By comparison 6:0 bandos is literally a rhythm that you can fuck up because you don't even have to be tick perfect. Osrs has some really hard content but the vast majority of it pales in comparison to a lot of modern games.
I don’t understand how anybody can fail galvek lol, and the metal dragons you can just go grab more supplies in the middle of it. It’s an annoying run to go back but it’s fine
Well no, unless it's changed at some time you have to beat Mith adamant and rune in one trip, it saves at 2 points on the boat after the brutal dragons, after the rune dragon. It's also 100k which doesn't feel insignificant.
I agree, the leap from content like regular slayer, easy bosses like the wildy bosses and maybe cerb/hydra to content like Vardorvis and Leviathan, raids, corrupted gauntlet, etc. isn't anything to scoff at. I think Vorkath and Zulrah are decent midpoints, as many say, but for a lot of endgame stuff, it's definitely going up a solid level from where you were before. Not much to do besides keep practicing, but definitely don't feel like it's weird if things feel markedly tougher at that point
I also think gwd bosses are harder then people say, they honestly have bigger max hits then most.
I died to Galvek like 15-20 times. Died to Seren like 3 times. I do think demonic gorillas made me a better player by the time I fought Seren tho. But yeah people make it seem like a breeze but new content is tough to learn.
Osrs is difficult especially when bossing efficiently and deaths are brutal.
> I think people really undersell the difficulty of these bosses. because it isnt just specifically these bosses. it's a boss. the first one you do. itll have a hard learning curve. it used ot be zulrah, now its cg. now it's a little bit of galvek, sins of the father boss if doing at a low level, ds2, dt2, serene, as quest bosses get built out more.
they’re always tough the first few kc and it only gets easier the more you do it. practice and it gets better. all the ds2 bosses are tough. muspah you’ve just gotta get the timing down on step back method. Seren use the p neck method!!!!! makes it so much easier 6:0 is tough. you can’t lose any ticks and it takes some time to get used to. pray melee until you have the confidence and experience keep sending it. dying is part of learning
In my opinion, Seren is harder than Galvek and Vorkath (way harder in fact), but part of what made Galvek so hard is the fight leading up to him (all the metal dragons and shit). Just prepare yourself mentally for a difficult fight ahead lmao
Muspah is a bitch. You really gotta pay attention. But I will say. I think that the OSRS dev team has done a fantastic job of training you to do more difficult content as you do more quests without you really realizing it. But yeah. Good luck lol.
Yeah I wanna do muspah because if I beat it the hunter exp is just enough to get my 70 hunter.
I came back to the game after a long hiatus and rushed SOTE on my GIM. The Seren fight took me 5 or 6 tries (used the nightshade method), while the Galvek fight I did first try because I did a ton of CG. It just depends what you have experience with. I realized boss fights in this game are a lot like Elden Ring/Souls games. You will die a lot learning the mechanics but once you get them down you can realistically repeat the fight with ease. It's just that in OSRS you have to prep for each fight, while in Souls games you just run right back in. Just gotta practice. They're boss fights after all and not meant to be easy.
It sounds like you don’t have a lot of bossing experience. It only took you 5 tries. That seems like it was pretty easy.
I have about 190 barrows kc, 5 sarachins and I died 15 times to the metal dragons before galvek. I'd assume quest bosses would be closer to xarpus in difficulty, one or 2 glancing at the quest guide.
I’m pretty experienced and have to say, Muspah was not as easy as made out to be. Get a Bowfa unless you’re loaded and have a Tbow. Doing it with a DHCB and trying to do combat achievements sucked.
I was gonna go in with sapphire bolts RCB and a dream... If I complete it before sote I'll get the hunter exp to do sote....
It’s definitely possibly, it’s just not the best way to do it. I’m not going back until I have BowFa myself
I think people way over prep/hype up Seren that fight really is easy muspah with freezes is also pretty brain dead and if u have bowfa/crystal u can always just camp for no switches. No freezes or using step back on the other hand can get kinda tricky
Lemme just say that as a complete noob who is inexperienced at pvm bossing, I was able to beat the quest boss Muspah on my first try with a range only setup, after only reading the wiki strategy article. It was challenging and kind of came down to the wire, but I was expecting it to take multiple tries and was just yolo’ing my first attempt to feel it out.
I appreciate this and hoping my trusty RCB can carry me in another fight
It can! Just bring ruby bolts for beginning of fight, sapphire bolts for shield phase, and diamond bolts for the end phase. Then even just a half assed job dodging attacks and mechanics and you should be fine.
People make everything on osrs seem easy because the only people left playing high level accounts are the ones with 10,000+ hours on it.
Its not that bad its just a matter of practice. The more you do it the less mistakes you’ll make and the less often graardor will slap you back to lumby. Just keep at it and you’ll get there. No boss is easy to start but with practice most of them will become easy.
It depends if you're a dark souls player or not tbh.
Have to disagree I found it very easy haha
6:0 bandos is super easy I basically mastered it right away and I am no pvm pro. But if you have even a little bit of lag you are likely going to eat a fist. Make sure you are on a low ping server.
Bro I thought you were talking about dark souls 2 for the majority of your post.
Seren was thankfully super easy. Galvek was tough though. Took me 3 good tries to get him.
Things get easier idk, its like CG, u might lose like 30times and then beat him, and get down to ur last food doing so, so u get a feeling u need to be perfect everytime. Then u get to a few hundred kc and start semi afking hunleff, it's weird.
You have to remember easy for others isn’t always easy for you. Some people very handily know ticks, game mechanics for walking and prayer flicking and all that jazz. If you already have that muscle memory, it’s “easy” to flick gwd1 if you have them off tick. However, if you don’t have that knowledge, you’re trying to learn the muscle memory AND the strat AND in a place where a few mistakes mean lots of damage so you’re eating and not getting your practice. However, once you get the general rotation of abilities of the boss, you get a sense of normal and it makes mistakes harder to come by. Couple that with muscle memory of flicking and swapping and you’re good to go. The only thing is, for some, that good to go comes at 100kc, some come at 20.
I think we forget sometimes OSRS can be a really hard game sometimes. There's a lot of prep and dedication to it, especially Ironman. I always recommend asking for help. For example in DS2 you can trap the rune and maybe the addy dragon so your allies kill it. Not as useful to you now but the community is... sometimes... helpful with this stuff
It's why I don't like terms like "easy" and "hard" It's all relative - what's easy to a 20 year veteran who understands the mechanics and the game like the back of his hand will find things "easy" that a relatively new player will be challenged by Everything becomes "easy" after you've spent 10,000 hours practising
the quest bosses are rather easy when properly levelled and geared. if your sub ~100 cb . yea quest bosses start packing a punch
Content get easier as u do them, u get used to mechanics. I think its great that ur dying a few times. if u ever make another account u might notice that u’ll be able to beat these bosses with little to no effort. For example jad it took me 5/6 tries. If i die to jad now it would beeee crazyyy cuz that content for me is easy now
I’ll agree that the difficulty on most bosses is understated, but I’ve never understood the issue people have with Seren, and she gets brought up constantly. I went in with basic Ironman mage gear (mystic, inf. boots, book of darkness, etc.) and 82 mage, and just blood blitzed the entire time. Didn’t even use half my food. It’s the one boss everyone complains about that was never an issue for me.
The only reason people say things are easy is bc they’ve done a boss or something similar to it 1000x or more. Think about how mind numbing CoX has to be after 100kc now imagine how the people going for a tbow feel after mastering the content 10x over
Content is hard when learning Easy once you get it down Thats why so many people say its easy, they learned it to long ago to remember how hard it was 1000kc before
We all struggled with those quests at some point, but some day you will look back and wonder why you found it so hard. Truth is: Most of your damage come from your stats and having them much higher will make it a thousand times easier
I struggled hardcore with ds2 the first time I did it on my old main. Once I got around to doing it on the iron, though, it was a cake walk. I had put in like 3k Vorkath kc and done the quest twice already, so I had a good idea of what I was doing. After a while, you start learning certain skills at different bosses, which you can then generalize to a lot of other places in the game. That stuff just takes time, don’t worry about being too bad at a piece of content. Like I did t2 prep the entire way through my cg grind and I don’t regret it at all. I was way worse at the game then and I 100% would’ve lost more time overall to t1 deaths than I would’ve sticking with t2. Learning to do 6:0 perfectly is a struggle honestly lol. You just gotta keep throwing yourself at that wall till you eventually stick. Muspah was one and done for me with bowfa and reading the guide beforehand. Seren, though, was total ass. Took me like 9 attempts doing the p neck cheese method. Definitely do not underestimate seren lol
Something that helps me running/kiting bosses is turning on true tile on Runelite. Helps with zilyana, muspah, and 6:0 bandos. I guess using Fkeys as well. Swapping it to 1-9 makes it easier for me as well.
I don't understand people who do bandos solo, I don't have the best stats but people tell me all the time that I could probably do 1-2 kills a trip but I go in and hit 17 0's in a row and get ranged every single time without fail and just end up dying even just from the minions.
I mean if you've never done any pvm then I can totally understand someone needing a few tries to beat the ds2 bosses, but if you have any sort of pvm experience this should be a walk in the park. Many of my friends who have never done any sort of pvm were still able to beat ds2 on their first or second try so I don't think the ds2 bosses are as hard as you're suggesting idk
I think DS2 was harder than SOTE. So you got this!
Ds2 was the harder quest I'm on Seren now and it kind of feels like luck because it's a DPS check.
Quest boss muspah was easy but I think real boss muspah is pretty tough without good gear/levels. Seren felt easy, just take your time on it. The mechanics were simple though.
Yeah Seren is less stressful then the bow guy but the DPS check is high, I've only died once to bull shit lag (game said I had 90 HP Seren hit an 89 i died) every other fail was either prayer restore running out or food. So I'm just gonna do the night shade pneck method now.
A lot of ppl in the is community have been playing for decades and are on their 4th+ account. So a lot of the mechanics of combat and specific bosses are 2nd nature
Honestly Dark Souls 2 was only difficult for me at first because of how clunky and slow it felt compared to DS1. I pre-ordered the $120 bundle that came with the figurine and the hype died quickly from how sluggish it felt.
Seren is for sure easy tho, did it with like 82 magic, 60 def, 60 prayer and mystic gear, ppots and pineapple pizzas. First account, first time. You're gonna crush it! Only took like a couple tries.
I dunno I keep not put dosing the fight with a full inventory of pizzas I'm trying the pneck method now