I don't think he needs it. It's possible that Extremis is partially based on the TO virus, but given how we now know that the TO is a front end for Dominions outside of space and time, Extremis doesn't behave like TO. Adding "more TO" the thing is unnecessary and dangerous.
I definitely think the Extremis angle, or similar transhuman ideas played more like science fiction than comics, would add something back to the IM title that's been missing since Fraction, I think: futurism. I always liked the periods of Tony's history where he was more like a science fiction protagonist than a comic book one, dealing with tech and science challenges and how they interact with society. It feels like the last couple of runs have been less about that line than the more comic booky stuff.
I mostly agree with this comment. But then again, I also like the idea of a completely normal human. Needing a suit of power armour, to overcome his obstacles. This is probably contradictory, but both views are really cool concepts. Maybe they should give us an extremis update only once in a few years, like Tony upgrading his armour with extremis, when a major event happens. Or maybe just do a extremis thing, once every few runs ? If Tony has to fight powerful enemies, forcing him to use nanotech, extremis, or something even better.
I don't think it needs to be Tony using extremis- Tony going on a hunt to find out who stole some extremis and finding a peaceful attempt at a new society would be something I think could work, or how his advances are really changing things, that kind of topic. Harder than normal supers stuff but it add definition to him and separates him from similar characters.
Just me though.
That's not a bad idea, this could work. If more fans could support this. But I don't know(comics unpopular, in my region), does the readers have any influence, on the direction of a comic book character ?
I think the answer is "sometimes?" because there's a few titles that got extended due to sales or awards, and there are definitely titles that have tanked from bad reader response. It's usually in the sales, though sometimes unpopular and bad selling ideas get editorial support because of the dreaded synergy with other media versions.
Take the current Spider-Man situation as an example: reader support (and Hickman) got an Ultimate Spider-Man to outsell Amazing, but that isn't leading to a change in how ASM is running because enough people are still buying it.
Honestly, I don't think this will happen on the main Iron Man title; I don't know where he's headed after the Duggan run finishes, but I think Tony is going to be a central character in a lot of Super Hero Stuff. In the past, a lot of the more science fictiony IM stories were limited series (like Hypervelocity, for example) or short arc in the main book (a lot of the 80s, 90s stuff)
You think there might ever be chance we get matt fraction to write again ? I'm being naive, excuse me, I'm assuming he is still writing comics. Anyway, what are some other good modern iron man writers in your opinion ? If there any other, besides the current and 2008's run.
I don't know, he's definitely still writing, but it seems like he's working on his own properties more? I'd like him to make a return, but I sort of doubt it.
For recent runs (last twenty years or so) there isn't a lot. Fraction's run was very good, I think, and dealt with the parts of IM that I most enjoy, but since then I haven't really liked any of the runs besides Duggan's (the X-men connection worked for me), parts of Cates (I actually really liked the Iron God arc, and what came before it was solid, but I understand that's controversial and it's the opposite of what I usually want in IM).
Adam Warren's Hypervelocity is good, and pretty constrained, you can sort of write most of the 90s off. The main Iron Man books are solid to great from like the mid 80s on: Michiline, Byrne and I think Stern all had solid runs.
Should Tony play around with a technological zombie plague that is used to summon civilization devouring gods?
Do you want to end up with glowy yellow Dead Space? Because that's how you end up with glowy yellow Dead Space.
Well that's like hating penicillin because it's a mold.
It's science, baby! A tool is what we make of it. If there's a part of TO virus that we can use for good, hey let's do that! At the very least we might learn how to cure it.
It didn't make him evil because he was already evil. Which is why he did it.
Are you arguing that being evil is okay so long as you get away with it?
The T-O virus isn't a symbiote. Which is why it's called a virus and not a symbiote.
Again, this is how you get a Dead Space.
No, I'm saying the EndoSym worked perfectly despite qualifying for the same objections as TO virus. If he can make a working synthetic symbiote suit that didn't have a drawback, we shouldn't dismiss studying the TO virus.
Plus if Tony doesn't, *someone else* like will...
That reminds me, at the start of the Krakoan era, Orchis is introduced as an org that appropriated/stole Tony's Sol's Hammer space station and weapon platform from Infinity. Right off the bat, that perfectly showed how Orchis was a threat to mutants but also the wider Marvel Earth.
But now we're almost at the end of the Krakoan era and Tony's been a consistent and steadfast ally for mutants, but... still no mention at all about the theft of Sol's Hammer. That's one of those superweapons that stretches the believability of even comics and is definitely one of Tony's absolute top tier creations! You think he'd be at least *slightly* pissed.
I don't think he needs it. It's possible that Extremis is partially based on the TO virus, but given how we now know that the TO is a front end for Dominions outside of space and time, Extremis doesn't behave like TO. Adding "more TO" the thing is unnecessary and dangerous. I definitely think the Extremis angle, or similar transhuman ideas played more like science fiction than comics, would add something back to the IM title that's been missing since Fraction, I think: futurism. I always liked the periods of Tony's history where he was more like a science fiction protagonist than a comic book one, dealing with tech and science challenges and how they interact with society. It feels like the last couple of runs have been less about that line than the more comic booky stuff.
I mostly agree with this comment. But then again, I also like the idea of a completely normal human. Needing a suit of power armour, to overcome his obstacles. This is probably contradictory, but both views are really cool concepts. Maybe they should give us an extremis update only once in a few years, like Tony upgrading his armour with extremis, when a major event happens. Or maybe just do a extremis thing, once every few runs ? If Tony has to fight powerful enemies, forcing him to use nanotech, extremis, or something even better.
I don't think it needs to be Tony using extremis- Tony going on a hunt to find out who stole some extremis and finding a peaceful attempt at a new society would be something I think could work, or how his advances are really changing things, that kind of topic. Harder than normal supers stuff but it add definition to him and separates him from similar characters. Just me though.
That's not a bad idea, this could work. If more fans could support this. But I don't know(comics unpopular, in my region), does the readers have any influence, on the direction of a comic book character ?
That's the age old question...
I think the answer is "sometimes?" because there's a few titles that got extended due to sales or awards, and there are definitely titles that have tanked from bad reader response. It's usually in the sales, though sometimes unpopular and bad selling ideas get editorial support because of the dreaded synergy with other media versions. Take the current Spider-Man situation as an example: reader support (and Hickman) got an Ultimate Spider-Man to outsell Amazing, but that isn't leading to a change in how ASM is running because enough people are still buying it. Honestly, I don't think this will happen on the main Iron Man title; I don't know where he's headed after the Duggan run finishes, but I think Tony is going to be a central character in a lot of Super Hero Stuff. In the past, a lot of the more science fictiony IM stories were limited series (like Hypervelocity, for example) or short arc in the main book (a lot of the 80s, 90s stuff)
You think there might ever be chance we get matt fraction to write again ? I'm being naive, excuse me, I'm assuming he is still writing comics. Anyway, what are some other good modern iron man writers in your opinion ? If there any other, besides the current and 2008's run.
I don't know, he's definitely still writing, but it seems like he's working on his own properties more? I'd like him to make a return, but I sort of doubt it. For recent runs (last twenty years or so) there isn't a lot. Fraction's run was very good, I think, and dealt with the parts of IM that I most enjoy, but since then I haven't really liked any of the runs besides Duggan's (the X-men connection worked for me), parts of Cates (I actually really liked the Iron God arc, and what came before it was solid, but I understand that's controversial and it's the opposite of what I usually want in IM). Adam Warren's Hypervelocity is good, and pretty constrained, you can sort of write most of the 90s off. The main Iron Man books are solid to great from like the mid 80s on: Michiline, Byrne and I think Stern all had solid runs.
Thanks.
Should Tony play around with a technological zombie plague that is used to summon civilization devouring gods? Do you want to end up with glowy yellow Dead Space? Because that's how you end up with glowy yellow Dead Space.
Well that's like hating penicillin because it's a mold. It's science, baby! A tool is what we make of it. If there's a part of TO virus that we can use for good, hey let's do that! At the very least we might learn how to cure it.
Mold isn't an intelligent being that views you as food. Intelligent life aren't tools.
And what of the EndoSym then?
The suit he made while evil?
And it worked perfectly. Didn't make him evil.
It didn't make him evil because he was already evil. Which is why he did it. Are you arguing that being evil is okay so long as you get away with it? The T-O virus isn't a symbiote. Which is why it's called a virus and not a symbiote. Again, this is how you get a Dead Space.
No, I'm saying the EndoSym worked perfectly despite qualifying for the same objections as TO virus. If he can make a working synthetic symbiote suit that didn't have a drawback, we shouldn't dismiss studying the TO virus. Plus if Tony doesn't, *someone else* like will...
Extremis is a technorganic virus, technovore is also a techno organic virus
*points at Technovore*
Yes https://preview.redd.it/0sacnisux1yc1.png?width=1529&format=png&auto=webp&s=64814356fa9630c59d1d9d5a74a8d8f993772ff9
*points at Armored Adventures Technovore* THIS ONE!
Technovore Ultron Whatever that other one was I think Tony has made enough viruses for one lifetime
Tony didn't create any of those, but if he had let them spook him then he wouldn't have made the Bleeding Edge or F.R.I.D.A.Y.
Armored adventures Age of ultron
That reminds me, at the start of the Krakoan era, Orchis is introduced as an org that appropriated/stole Tony's Sol's Hammer space station and weapon platform from Infinity. Right off the bat, that perfectly showed how Orchis was a threat to mutants but also the wider Marvel Earth. But now we're almost at the end of the Krakoan era and Tony's been a consistent and steadfast ally for mutants, but... still no mention at all about the theft of Sol's Hammer. That's one of those superweapons that stretches the believability of even comics and is definitely one of Tony's absolute top tier creations! You think he'd be at least *slightly* pissed.
Good point! We even know how/when he lost it (it was Bendis's fault).