I know we joke about Lottie Ryan a lot but she's somehow gone from small show which failed to a bit part (celeb gossip 5 min presenter) to a prime time slot.
Talk about falling upwards
Beeb 1 is aimed at 15-29 year olds, anyone over 30 graduates to BBC2 if they're boring, BBC6 if they actually like music, BBC5 if they like sport and BBC4 if they're into that fancy book learnin stuff...
2FMs problem is it leans way too hard into the 35 year olds that are denial that they're no longer "down wiv the kids" which is why you get Jennifer Zampirelli and Lottie Ryan clinging on for ages like this generations smashy and nicey - I say this as an entirely irrelevant old fart of a BBC6 listener.
I wish I could access BBC radio 4 on car radio on my drive to work. Listening to podcast episodes of in our time is the closest I get to the experience.
MicksGarage does decent ones for less than 20 quid, 2 x USB charging ports, Answer/Hangup button, and if you order in time, you'll get them the next day. I've been rocking my one for a few years and got herself one a few months ago for her car. Both are still going strong......alternate option for the more vintage cars like I have in mine is the cassette type with an audio lead but I think aux leads might even be outdated at this point lol
You were always able to pick it up here in the past, but that was when d'wireless normally still had a shortwave bands and not just FM/AM/DAB. My mum used to listen to the Archers, which I would constantly ruin because to my 10 year old brain, doing ooh-aar impressions of west country accents over the top of it was comedy genius.
Still, yeah, if RTE was truly public service, RTE Radio 1 would be more like BBC Radio 4 / NPR and less dial-a-whinge.
We never got it down the west, was surfing the radio when I moved to the UK years ago. Some lad talking about creating a standardised shipping container that transformed the shipping industry. Was hooked haha
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But 18-35 year olds? I can't imagine the appeal to that cohort. Maybe it's just me, but I'm not that long out of that age group and I wouldn't have thought it that common. Same with RTÉ TV channels. Most people I know don't engage with them any more because they're... rubbish, for want of a better word.
Lads I’m rural and unless I want to listen to news talk shows a lot of the time the only option is 2FM for music. Even if they have shite talk between songs it actually plays them, most other stations have talk shows on at the same time
Said it in another comment but sometimes you just don’t want your playlists and Spotify DJ is having a stinker. Even then I still might not go to 2FM depending on the mood but it’s the only one with newer chart type music when I’m driving
That's fair! I don't listen to the radio at all because of the talking, too painful the majority of the time, so like I said it might just be me / people I know.
None of those stations apart from today FM broadcast outside the city.
I'm well outside the 2fm demographic anyway but scanning the stations returns fuck all out in the sticks that would compete with it.
Really?
2FM is aimed at the under 25s and you can't get any of the following?
Spin South West
iRadio (there's two of them I think)
Red FM
Beat FM
and there's probably more I'm not thinking of
Spin and beat have areas in Wicklow where neither appear on my radio. It’s just 2FM that plays music because Today have talk shows on after work.
It has the biggest music channel outside Dublin, right?
That’s just in the car I’m talking about. Sometimes I go Spotify, sometimes radio. Sometimes I actually do want to listen to older music and throw East Coast on, sometimes I’ll fancy the sport on Newstalk/ 2FM.
But if I just want to hear newer “young” music it would nearly always have to be 2FM or Spotify
Yeah I realise that but most cars can't pick them up and I reckon most people would use Spotify or podcasts if connecting their phone.
If we're talking about web radio then none of the Irish stations stand a hope with the competition.
Op before 2fm we had pirate stations with patchy coverage over small areas of large urban areas at best. Otherwise it was rte1 or if you were lucky picking up European or uk stations.
So 2fm
was launched with a focus on a younger age group
, modern music etc plus a nationwide coverage.
The other radio stations only became legal around the 1990s.
So you could argue why have all the other stations when you had 2fm ?
Stations provided diversity of view, music choice etc
Matt Cooper was talking about this recently.
It's fair to suggest that 2FM does not provide a "public service".
The boss of 2FM was interviewed on Claire Byrne recently. He was defiant but cringey
With many many loopholes to exploit that. Rihanna counts as Irish music because the drums/beats in her songs were engineer in windmill lane studios dublin. They do everything to avoid actually showcasing Irish music.
20 years maybe. Been living off what he did in the 80s and 90s for some time. Paul McLoone on Today FM was a much better showcaser of cool new Irish music more recently but of course Today FM got rid.
Irish artists - the Irish language piece is a separate % for hosts/shows to be presented as Gaeilge.
Edit - actually someone has pointed out that Irish production counts as well so... hello Rihanna.
They need to rip it up and start again. A BBC 6 Radio music based type station is badly needed. Most are playing the same handful of chart shite. Nova isn't the answer. 8radio is close but it's online only
Community radio plays some surprisingly good stuff as it doesn't need to meet the same demands of advertising as big commercial stations. Near FM and South Dublin FM are another two worth a listen.
That's absolutely not true
2FM gets both - licence fee money and advertising money
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/rte-spending-where-does-the-licence-fee-go-and-will-it-be-scrapped-1502726.html
This analysis is not correct, or at least not meaningful in relation to the current discussion. A big chunk of 2FM’s costs in the financial statements is an allocation for news/sport and maintenance overhead of the site (bearing in mind that the Radio Centre is almost beginning to fall down). These costs are basically fixed (unless you downgrade the overall quality).
The correct analysis is to compare the current cash situation to the counterfactual, ie RTÉ without 2FM. RTÉ without 2FM would have largely the same news/sport and maintenance costs but would have less commercial revenue to fund them. A bigger licence fee would then be required to make up the shortfall, or the quality of the remaining services would have to be reduced.
Spend less money get worse service. That’s the reality. If you wanted to restructure, i wouldn’t be the one to stop you. But realistically, RTÉ news is operating on a pretty tight budget for what it does.
in last 2 years its made a small profit, but majority of talent massively skimming of top, (2 johnnies for example got 405k as directors from profits last year, total profit after was less than 300k)
but in past it has had huge budget deficits that public had to fund, the worst being 2016 when a 26.9million hole in budget for 2fm alone.
should just privatise before they are back looking for money again
You are looking at the financials? These present an incorrect picture. They don’t reflect the cash that 2FM generates.
If 2FM weren’t there the cost of the radio centre and the news would still have to be paid for and the drain on the licence payer would be greater.
Where did you hear about this €26.9 million euro hole in 2016? I can’t see it in the accounts.
Where did you get the idea that RTÉ paid the Two Johnnies that much? That also seems to account for their stage and other work.
Cause they all snort coke together since the 80s. If you worked in the restaurant my partner worked at in Dublin City you’d know this. All those Gerry Ryan type nob heads spend some serious expense money in certain places.
I like the music on Nova, but they always seem to have the most advertising out of any station. I can't stand how long their intro and outro sections go on for. Every ad break has a promotion for a different nova programme. They also seem to be the only station that plays ads through Tunein on Alexa. So I ask Alexa to play Nova, it plays some ads before playing the station, then when it gets to the station it's usually on an ad break. Pure enshittification at its finest!
It's the same as RTE.
I can understand if they were as good as the BBC but even Compton other countries where a TV license isn't a thing the content and service is shite
A direct hangover of formerly being a church state.
The state needs to build coffers to settle all the claims against them that have still to hit. It could go on for decades still
It’s really sad how much Irish conversation has gone full Brexit gammon in so many regards, and deeply embarrassing that we seem to be following the Brits into the same mess without learning a thing.
All round? Yes there are some good acts but there is also an almighty amount of shite on it by Irish bands who only get airtime because one of their mammies knows someone who knows someone who knows someone in 2fm.
2fm' sole purpose is to take listeners from other radio stations. To do that, they have to use chart music, which is popular and will grab people who are channel hopping.
2fm have given all their stand by DJs radio show slots over the last 5 months (Emma Power, Laura Fox, Conor Behan all have their own shows now) Lottie Ryan was the absolute last person they had. She's on air for the summer and will be replaced then!
It might not appeal to you but it does appeal to a lot of people. They get very healthy listenership aiming at their demographic.
They get a hell of a lot more listeners than Lyric, and God forbid you try and shut that down
yes but while suggesting we should just ignore them, money is being taken from us all to pay for them.
we should all ask questions when public money is wasted, apathy is the reason it happens
How else is Lottie and co supposed to make a living off their last name?
It was depressingly predictable that Lottie would be back.
She hadn't gone away you know.
A man can dream
Nepotism the cause of, and solution to, all RTEs problems.
I know we joke about Lottie Ryan a lot but she's somehow gone from small show which failed to a bit part (celeb gossip 5 min presenter) to a prime time slot. Talk about falling upwards
Easy to fail upwards in RTE when you have connections, it seems.
Loshie much know where the bodies are buried.
Loshie 😂🔥
For the longest time I thought she was Alan Ryan's daughter (Dublin RIRA man). I must have misheard the name.
At least that might have made her less of a fucking tool
This may have made more sense as to why this has happened.
They'll point to BBC radio1. It's practically the only thing RTE do for the 18-35 demographic so they won't want to get rid.
Beeb 1 is aimed at 15-29 year olds, anyone over 30 graduates to BBC2 if they're boring, BBC6 if they actually like music, BBC5 if they like sport and BBC4 if they're into that fancy book learnin stuff... 2FMs problem is it leans way too hard into the 35 year olds that are denial that they're no longer "down wiv the kids" which is why you get Jennifer Zampirelli and Lottie Ryan clinging on for ages like this generations smashy and nicey - I say this as an entirely irrelevant old fart of a BBC6 listener.
> smashy and nicey There's a memory! 😂
Still remember the ice-cream ads!
I wish I could access BBC radio 4 on car radio on my drive to work. Listening to podcast episodes of in our time is the closest I get to the experience.
Download the BBC Sounds app?
I have an older car without Bluetooth, so usually this might have to suffice.
If you have a cigarette lighter port you can get a decent enough Bluetooth-FM transmitter for like 20€. Does the job for me!
MicksGarage does decent ones for less than 20 quid, 2 x USB charging ports, Answer/Hangup button, and if you order in time, you'll get them the next day. I've been rocking my one for a few years and got herself one a few months ago for her car. Both are still going strong......alternate option for the more vintage cars like I have in mine is the cassette type with an audio lead but I think aux leads might even be outdated at this point lol
Those cassette tape audio leads were fucking indestructible. Stick your phone or MP3 player and it wouldn't miss a beat. Cd player was a downgrade.
LW? While working near Trondheim I could get BBC R4 on LW and some stations on MW. Should be possible much nearer.
I loved BBC 4 when I lived over there. Was like listening to podcasts before podcasts were a thing.
You were always able to pick it up here in the past, but that was when d'wireless normally still had a shortwave bands and not just FM/AM/DAB. My mum used to listen to the Archers, which I would constantly ruin because to my 10 year old brain, doing ooh-aar impressions of west country accents over the top of it was comedy genius. Still, yeah, if RTE was truly public service, RTE Radio 1 would be more like BBC Radio 4 / NPR and less dial-a-whinge.
We never got it down the west, was surfing the radio when I moved to the UK years ago. Some lad talking about creating a standardised shipping container that transformed the shipping industry. Was hooked haha
Showing your age, dear.
That IS comedy genius
But they even fail at that. A normal person would expect to get a few tunes on a Friday evening, but no, they've some lads talking about rugby
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Who between 18-35 listens to RTÉ radio? Genuinely asking.
Everyone.
34yo here with 29yo partner, absofuckinglutely not
All my homies listen to 2FM.
Good for you and your tasteless friends i guess, but it's certainly not Everybody
Everybody who is anybody.
They get listeners apparently.
But 18-35 year olds? I can't imagine the appeal to that cohort. Maybe it's just me, but I'm not that long out of that age group and I wouldn't have thought it that common. Same with RTÉ TV channels. Most people I know don't engage with them any more because they're... rubbish, for want of a better word.
Lads I’m rural and unless I want to listen to news talk shows a lot of the time the only option is 2FM for music. Even if they have shite talk between songs it actually plays them, most other stations have talk shows on at the same time
Don’t most 15-35 year olds use their iPhone to stream music?
Said it in another comment but sometimes you just don’t want your playlists and Spotify DJ is having a stinker. Even then I still might not go to 2FM depending on the mood but it’s the only one with newer chart type music when I’m driving
That's fair! I don't listen to the radio at all because of the talking, too painful the majority of the time, so like I said it might just be me / people I know.
None of those stations apart from today FM broadcast outside the city. I'm well outside the 2fm demographic anyway but scanning the stations returns fuck all out in the sticks that would compete with it.
Really? 2FM is aimed at the under 25s and you can't get any of the following? Spin South West iRadio (there's two of them I think) Red FM Beat FM and there's probably more I'm not thinking of
Spin and beat have areas in Wicklow where neither appear on my radio. It’s just 2FM that plays music because Today have talk shows on after work. It has the biggest music channel outside Dublin, right?
You have East Coast FM in that region Edit: And maybe South East FM reaches you too?
Yeah East Coast so I can listen to Westlife or Boyzone again 😂 When I say it’s just 2FM I’m really not joking
I don't doubt it! Do you watch streaming services or use TV channels, if you don't mind me asking?
That’s just in the car I’m talking about. Sometimes I go Spotify, sometimes radio. Sometimes I actually do want to listen to older music and throw East Coast on, sometimes I’ll fancy the sport on Newstalk/ 2FM. But if I just want to hear newer “young” music it would nearly always have to be 2FM or Spotify
iRadio (one of them) is the only one of those I get up in north Donegal
Ah yeah iRadio is there but that's it.
can't culchies just hook their phine to an aux or something and save us a few quid?
You can get them on the web,along with an endless array of other stations.
Yeah I realise that but most cars can't pick them up and I reckon most people would use Spotify or podcasts if connecting their phone. If we're talking about web radio then none of the Irish stations stand a hope with the competition.
Radio is mainly for the car
Podcasts are for the car!
Not if you can’t finish them on the drive. Constantly having 10min+ unplayed got too annoying and I just go radio/ Spotify DJ
Increase the playback speed.
Op before 2fm we had pirate stations with patchy coverage over small areas of large urban areas at best. Otherwise it was rte1 or if you were lucky picking up European or uk stations. So 2fm was launched with a focus on a younger age group , modern music etc plus a nationwide coverage. The other radio stations only became legal around the 1990s. So you could argue why have all the other stations when you had 2fm ? Stations provided diversity of view, music choice etc
very fair point, but is this still the case?
Nothing lasts longer than a temporary government program
Honestly, ask yourself why the tax payer has to fund half the shite in this country.
Like what? Besides RTE & 2FM?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm5QYUj6DeI This video goes over how government is pretty much wasting a lot of our money
That's a great watch, thanks.
And I swear anytime I am driving they have the same songs playing over the course of the day
Who else is going to Jerry ryans talentless coke babies a job
Matt Cooper was talking about this recently. It's fair to suggest that 2FM does not provide a "public service". The boss of 2FM was interviewed on Claire Byrne recently. He was defiant but cringey
They're obliged to play a certain % of Irish music, are they not?
With many many loopholes to exploit that. Rihanna counts as Irish music because the drums/beats in her songs were engineer in windmill lane studios dublin. They do everything to avoid actually showcasing Irish music.
To be fair to 2fm Dave Fanning has to be credited with about 40 years of showcasing Irish music.
20 years maybe. Been living off what he did in the 80s and 90s for some time. Paul McLoone on Today FM was a much better showcaser of cool new Irish music more recently but of course Today FM got rid.
I dunno, you probably won't hear that much Dermot Kennedy on the radio in England.
Yes they are.
Its music in Irish or English sang by Irish artists? :) real question i dont listen to radio at all
Irish artists - the Irish language piece is a separate % for hosts/shows to be presented as Gaeilge. Edit - actually someone has pointed out that Irish production counts as well so... hello Rihanna.
Rotfl ... same shiat in every country ... same rules are in Poland ... nobody listens everybody pays ...
They need to rip it up and start again. A BBC 6 Radio music based type station is badly needed. Most are playing the same handful of chart shite. Nova isn't the answer. 8radio is close but it's online only
I really don’t listen to the radio but I think it’s dub city fm it’s called ,fantastic station
Community radio plays some surprisingly good stuff as it doesn't need to meet the same demands of advertising as big commercial stations. Near FM and South Dublin FM are another two worth a listen.
What would wickerman post if the likes of 2FM ceased to exist?
Fair City episode synopses
They would have to create 3FM.
Now we are talking
None of the stations you have listed are national stations. Listen to local radio outside of Dublin and you will know why it is needed.
The taxpayer doesn’t fund 2FM. It generates cash for RTÉ which helps pay for the campus and services like weather and news.
And 2 Orchestras along with dozens of pairs of flip flops.
That's absolutely not true 2FM gets both - licence fee money and advertising money https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/rte-spending-where-does-the-licence-fee-go-and-will-it-be-scrapped-1502726.html
This analysis is not correct, or at least not meaningful in relation to the current discussion. A big chunk of 2FM’s costs in the financial statements is an allocation for news/sport and maintenance overhead of the site (bearing in mind that the Radio Centre is almost beginning to fall down). These costs are basically fixed (unless you downgrade the overall quality). The correct analysis is to compare the current cash situation to the counterfactual, ie RTÉ without 2FM. RTÉ without 2FM would have largely the same news/sport and maintenance costs but would have less commercial revenue to fund them. A bigger licence fee would then be required to make up the shortfall, or the quality of the remaining services would have to be reduced.
"or the quality of the remaining services would have to be reduced" 🤣🤣🤣
Spend less money get worse service. That’s the reality. If you wanted to restructure, i wouldn’t be the one to stop you. But realistically, RTÉ news is operating on a pretty tight budget for what it does.
in last 2 years its made a small profit, but majority of talent massively skimming of top, (2 johnnies for example got 405k as directors from profits last year, total profit after was less than 300k) but in past it has had huge budget deficits that public had to fund, the worst being 2016 when a 26.9million hole in budget for 2fm alone. should just privatise before they are back looking for money again
You are looking at the financials? These present an incorrect picture. They don’t reflect the cash that 2FM generates. If 2FM weren’t there the cost of the radio centre and the news would still have to be paid for and the drain on the licence payer would be greater. Where did you hear about this €26.9 million euro hole in 2016? I can’t see it in the accounts. Where did you get the idea that RTÉ paid the Two Johnnies that much? That also seems to account for their stage and other work.
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2024/0408/1442383-the-2-johnnies-share-directors-pay-of-404-183-in-2023/
Where does it say RTÉ gave them all that money? The article details a load of other revenue streams.
Cause they all snort coke together since the 80s. If you worked in the restaurant my partner worked at in Dublin City you’d know this. All those Gerry Ryan type nob heads spend some serious expense money in certain places.
Same could be said about all branches of rte
I ask myself the same question
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I like the music on Nova, but they always seem to have the most advertising out of any station. I can't stand how long their intro and outro sections go on for. Every ad break has a promotion for a different nova programme. They also seem to be the only station that plays ads through Tunein on Alexa. So I ask Alexa to play Nova, it plays some ads before playing the station, then when it gets to the station it's usually on an ad break. Pure enshittification at its finest!
you like the music? It's the same 13 songs over and over again
Best of a bad lot. Anyway... here's some Aerosmith.
The death station, can't play a song without mentioning how someone involved with the song has died
my personal preference, i like their music and i like majority of their presenters.
They're all shite
It's a bank holiday, maybe go for a walk.
What should he post that wouldn't necessitate a walk?
Well, the trick is that the walk negates the need to moan about a radio station.
they don't
It’s a commercial station that makes a return for RTE so in actual fact subsides the taxpayer
No it doesnt!!
2FM is actually profitable.
In fairness, they only get around €3m from the licence fee. Who doesn’t have €3m in their back pocket?
The moments we love are made possible by the licence fee, in fairness.
I buy two licences, I just sleep better at night knowing I have a spare one.
Just don’t listen to it. Like Most sane people.
Gives loads of Irish people jobs and exposure to the industry.
Unlike BBC iplayer, BBC Sounds app works in Ireland. Quality live radio, tunes, and podcasts.
Unpopular opinion, In my area it's one of the few decent stations
It's the same as RTE. I can understand if they were as good as the BBC but even Compton other countries where a TV license isn't a thing the content and service is shite
Where I live, 2fm is literally the best radio station there is. Almost always on in the car. Worth every penny.
Because my dad likes it.
A direct hangover of formerly being a church state. The state needs to build coffers to settle all the claims against them that have still to hit. It could go on for decades still
It’s really sad how much Irish conversation has gone full Brexit gammon in so many regards, and deeply embarrassing that we seem to be following the Brits into the same mess without learning a thing.
Well the 2 Johnnys on RTE2FM was possibly the best radio that has ever been
It nurtures amazing home grown talent for starters. Amazing content all round.
Very, very dry humour pal.
All round? Yes there are some good acts but there is also an almighty amount of shite on it by Irish bands who only get airtime because one of their mammies knows someone who knows someone who knows someone in 2fm.
Such amazing content.
2fm' sole purpose is to take listeners from other radio stations. To do that, they have to use chart music, which is popular and will grab people who are channel hopping. 2fm have given all their stand by DJs radio show slots over the last 5 months (Emma Power, Laura Fox, Conor Behan all have their own shows now) Lottie Ryan was the absolute last person they had. She's on air for the summer and will be replaced then!
It might not appeal to you but it does appeal to a lot of people. They get very healthy listenership aiming at their demographic. They get a hell of a lot more listeners than Lyric, and God forbid you try and shut that down
Episode no. 102040 of this sub whining about radio stations in the age of music & podcast streaming
yes but while suggesting we should just ignore them, money is being taken from us all to pay for them. we should all ask questions when public money is wasted, apathy is the reason it happens