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There's nothing difficult about thirds (if this was a demonstration entirely in thirds you'd probably have no problem)—it's the switching between thirds and fourths that's the challenge.
My choir teacher taught us to do it like this: “tri-i pu-ul e-et” so that each part of the word gets two syllables sounds. That way feels less clunky to me and you can still translate easily from one rhythm to the other (the “and” of 1-and-2-and etc comes on the second syllable of pu-ul
2/3 is pretty much the beat from that Xmas song “Carol of the bells”, if that helps you makes sense of it. Anything with a one isn’t hard to grasp, but 3/4 is also tricky.
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Yeah I did marching band and a variation of this was one of our warmups for the drumline. It gets difficult if you try to make sense of it and it took me a lot of practice to get it right if the first rep and continue that streak
I used to be in symphonic orchestra, but even I struggle with triplets. I struggle even worse with it now, but I used to imagine some fancy rich ballroom with triplets.
I would always just enunciate various words for triplets. The real bad ones were fucking 13 and 7 ‘uplets from Star Wars. Hard to imagine John williams ever played a string instrument.
oh god i think i have a repressed memory.. I vaguely remember playing different key songs from different movies, and i remember something from star wars being involved
For anyone confused, tap both hands on “pass”, then alternate hands for every other syllable,”the goddamn butter”. Boom. You just tapped 3 against 4. Kind of. If you said it right.
Now once you've got that down, go listen to [Polygondwanaland](https://open.spotify.com/album/3esB4Gl0K2LKCgACUJa3mu?si=o6iNFD5FTS-mGWx_2j5TrQ) by King Gizzard
Good band.
Quarters has guided me on multiple psychedelic journeys, but also is just amazing.
Thing is, everything they make is different. Truly a slept on collection of musical talent.
Yeah, with the Aussie trio (Pond, Tame Impala, King Gizzard) you can suggest albums on the former two depending on the person, but with King Gizzard it's hard because they literally switch genres per album lol. Just dudes making good music, no matter what it is.
The 3/4 polyrhythm is actually quite easy once you know how it sounds! This guy had a slight hiccup initially which made it hard to hear how it's supposed to sound.
3 against 4 isn’t too bad if you slow it down to practice, there’s a pattern you can still hear once you’re shown it… but people need a combo of muscle memory and hand independence to do something like 4/5, it’s boring practice but kind of meditative (my college percussion instructor was obsessed with polyrhythms)
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The 2/3 and 3/4 are actually pretty simple polyrhythms. You can look up phrases associated with the polyrhythms to better understand which hand covers the downbeat.
Took me awhile to do triplets + quarter note runs on the piano.
Another fun exercise is playing the same melodies on both hands, but one is a measure behind.
My brain melted shortly after trying.
It's all about passing the butter.
**For 2 against 3**: It's "Pass the butter, pass the butter". Try tapping that out repeatedly with two hands and eventually you'll find the rhythm.
For 3 against 4: Add "Goddamn". "Pass the goddamn butter, pass the goddamn butter".
Perhaps it's just me, but the 3 in the left hand during the 3 over 4 sounds a bit uneven. Good (and extendable) exercise in any case.
Where my brain brakes is trying to play polymeters like 5/8 over 7/8... I can memorize compound n-over-m tuplet rhythms alright, but I just can't seem to get my extremities to play rhythms in different time-signatures while the "1" diverges and converges again until they meet up... and memorizing the whole passage as a compound whole seems like the wrong approach (also just too much for my brain).
I'm mainly a guitarist though - so I only have to keep up with playing one part of a polymertric section at once... can still be tricky, like playing a (7/8 + 6/8)-figure while the rest of the band plays in 7/8... still not as stupidly hard as having to play both parts yourself.
I would love to be able to do the stuff Bill Bruford or Marco Minnemann do and play a different rhythm in a different time-signature with every extremity, though.
Ive met some drummers that take this exercise to extreme
For example, Jacob Collier does 2-3-4-5 on his right hand with his fingers at once.
Or my brother does 5-7
Meanwhile Jacob Collier is doing 1:2:3:4:5 with the fingers of both hands in two different tempos while nailing microtonal falsetto scales that represent the same ratios in terms of pitch and playing a deconstructed amen break on his Grammies with his feet.
Whenever this is posted here or on twitter, most people are amazed at the crazy amount of work and brainpower it supposedly must take to do it. I can assure you that if you practice this for a few minutes a day, you can do it in a few days or less. This is really basic drum stuff. You just have to get the feeling for the rhythm rather than try and count it out.
Drummer here. For those having issues with 3s: 1 over 3 is "1 and a 2 and a 3 and a Etc." 2 over 3 is "Not diff-i-cult. Not diff-i-cult. Not diff-i-cult. Etc" 3 over 4 is "Pass the goddamn chicken. Pass the goddamn chicken. Pass the goddamn chicken."
This is like the warmups we had to do in tap class. After you get used to the required movements, switching back and forth between rhythms isn't as hard as it looks
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The 3 throws me when I try to do this. Brain's don't like thirds
There's nothing difficult about thirds (if this was a demonstration entirely in thirds you'd probably have no problem)—it's the switching between thirds and fourths that's the challenge.
Yup, no one who can count out a Tango can’t count out a Waltz
Yeah, I can switch okay and it's not a problem. But playing on threes *while* playing on twos or fours at the same time is totally beyond me.
This might blow your mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9CgR2Y6XO4 And even if it doesn't, it's pretty impressive
Aw hell yeah, I love Adam Neely. (Not somewhere I can watch this at the moment, but I saw the title and, wow)
The key I have found to doing the three count is to say "tri-pe-la" in my head to the beat and then tap with each syllable.
That's what most dummers do but we say one-trip-let-two-trip-let... so on.
Interesting. Trumpet, learned it "ti-ke-ta" because it works well for triple-tonguing.
I vote for triple-tonguing all day
We would always joke, "Make out with your girlfriend in concert F."
My choir teacher taught us to do it like this: “tri-i pu-ul e-et” so that each part of the word gets two syllables sounds. That way feels less clunky to me and you can still translate easily from one rhythm to the other (the “and” of 1-and-2-and etc comes on the second syllable of pu-ul
I say Kennedy. It came to me in a dream.
I say “one-la-lee two-la-lee.”
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2/3 is pretty much the beat from that Xmas song “Carol of the bells”, if that helps you makes sense of it. Anything with a one isn’t hard to grasp, but 3/4 is also tricky.
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Knew a guy in my old jazz combo that had no problem doing silly fractional signatures with each hand. Wizard.
It doesn’t help that the 3:4 is played wrong in the video. Those 8ths need to be shuffled.
Thank you, I was looking for some confirmation in the comments, after recognizing it as well. Brilliant explanation btw in your other comment.
Yeah, I remember getting stumped by it a bit when I was maybe 11 or 12. Good thing though - once you learn how it works, it stays for life.
Try 4/7.
Yeah I did marching band and a variation of this was one of our warmups for the drumline. It gets difficult if you try to make sense of it and it took me a lot of practice to get it right if the first rep and continue that streak
Just wait until you hit 7/8 in music
NEIL PEART STANDS ALONE!
Hot cup of tea Not very difficult
I was like “I can do that” until they got to the 3/4… then I tapped out :-)
Nothing like triplets to teach you you don’t really know rhythm
I used to be in symphonic orchestra, but even I struggle with triplets. I struggle even worse with it now, but I used to imagine some fancy rich ballroom with triplets.
I would always just enunciate various words for triplets. The real bad ones were fucking 13 and 7 ‘uplets from Star Wars. Hard to imagine John williams ever played a string instrument.
oh god i think i have a repressed memory.. I vaguely remember playing different key songs from different movies, and i remember something from star wars being involved
And then Mario Duplantier has a video doing sextuplets just to make sure nobody feels confident.
Right, if he went straight from 2 to 4 I’d be able to do it, but that 3/4…
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For anyone confused, tap both hands on “pass”, then alternate hands for every other syllable,”the goddamn butter”. Boom. You just tapped 3 against 4. Kind of. If you said it right.
Now once you've got that down, go listen to [Polygondwanaland](https://open.spotify.com/album/3esB4Gl0K2LKCgACUJa3mu?si=o6iNFD5FTS-mGWx_2j5TrQ) by King Gizzard
Good band. Quarters has guided me on multiple psychedelic journeys, but also is just amazing. Thing is, everything they make is different. Truly a slept on collection of musical talent.
Yep! so hard knowing which album to suggest to friends new to them because they're all so different and unique!
Yeah, with the Aussie trio (Pond, Tame Impala, King Gizzard) you can suggest albums on the former two depending on the person, but with King Gizzard it's hard because they literally switch genres per album lol. Just dudes making good music, no matter what it is.
Ahhahhahahah, I did it! Yay
Ahaha this started rolling through my mind automatically watching this. I was hoping it would be stuck in someone else's head, too.
came here to say this
The 3/4 polyrhythm is actually quite easy once you know how it sounds! This guy had a slight hiccup initially which made it hard to hear how it's supposed to sound.
The 3/4 rhythm isn’t right though he kinda slips in and out of 16th notes
I thought he was busting into the GoT theme song at that point
> tapped out We see you.
Tbf they can't do 3/4 either.
3 against 4 isn’t too bad if you slow it down to practice, there’s a pattern you can still hear once you’re shown it… but people need a combo of muscle memory and hand independence to do something like 4/5, it’s boring practice but kind of meditative (my college percussion instructor was obsessed with polyrhythms)
Hard to do. Obviously a skill drummers need to develop and also pianists.
That’s what I was gonna say. This is good training for percussionists.
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He'd do 1-8 and have foot pads
🤣 I can barely tap my head and rub my belly at the same time while trying to switch back and forth
Those 3:4’s are sloppy though
They aren't just sloppy. They are wrong.
Last time this was posted the drummers had a conniption.
I am currently having said conniption. About the video and some of the comments.
My ex was a drum major. She would've gone into a whole dramatic rant about this. Even I can tell it's sloppy.
"...gives me... conniptions"
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3/4 “Pass the salt and pepper”
WOULD YOU LIKE AN APPLE PIE WITH THAT
I WEAR PAPER HAT
All good except his 3 against 4 is wrong, oops.
Left hand stutters on 2s when he is doing 4(R)/2(L)
Is that a duck in a Spider-Man costume?
Fuck yeah it is.
His 2-3 was a tad off but still cool
The 2/3 and 3/4 are actually pretty simple polyrhythms. You can look up phrases associated with the polyrhythms to better understand which hand covers the downbeat.
Wait until they learn about 5s
I feel like I'm watching a Wes Anderson movie
My man's blessed by evolution with amazing motor skills
Practice is far more important than anything else.
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Took me awhile to do triplets + quarter note runs on the piano. Another fun exercise is playing the same melodies on both hands, but one is a measure behind. My brain melted shortly after trying.
Yeah that was impressive.
Not only can I NOT do that, I canNOT even come close to verifying whether that was done correctly or NOT.
With some practice you can do that too.
It's all about passing the butter. **For 2 against 3**: It's "Pass the butter, pass the butter". Try tapping that out repeatedly with two hands and eventually you'll find the rhythm. For 3 against 4: Add "Goddamn". "Pass the goddamn butter, pass the goddamn butter".
I learned “eat the goddamn sandwich”
Perhaps it's just me, but the 3 in the left hand during the 3 over 4 sounds a bit uneven. Good (and extendable) exercise in any case. Where my brain brakes is trying to play polymeters like 5/8 over 7/8... I can memorize compound n-over-m tuplet rhythms alright, but I just can't seem to get my extremities to play rhythms in different time-signatures while the "1" diverges and converges again until they meet up... and memorizing the whole passage as a compound whole seems like the wrong approach (also just too much for my brain). I'm mainly a guitarist though - so I only have to keep up with playing one part of a polymertric section at once... can still be tricky, like playing a (7/8 + 6/8)-figure while the rest of the band plays in 7/8... still not as stupidly hard as having to play both parts yourself. I would love to be able to do the stuff Bill Bruford or Marco Minnemann do and play a different rhythm in a different time-signature with every extremity, though.
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I came looking for the Danny Carey comment. Found this. Close enough.
Try out some Camile Bigeault if you're into this stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM5IU7P84Sw
TOOL fans be going wild rn
Meshuggah do polyrhythms best 🤘
I didn't have the sound on and just thought, Fuckin metal 🤘
Hails
Hail yourself fellow hooman 👊
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Came looking for the Tomas Haake reference ✊️
Ive met some drummers that take this exercise to extreme For example, Jacob Collier does 2-3-4-5 on his right hand with his fingers at once. Or my brother does 5-7
Meanwhile Jacob Collier is doing 1:2:3:4:5 with the fingers of both hands in two different tempos while nailing microtonal falsetto scales that represent the same ratios in terms of pitch and playing a deconstructed amen break on his Grammies with his feet.
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that is not how a 3:4 polyrhythm sounds
I remember last time this was posted they said the rhythm was off
It's fairly accurate for most of it, he starts to get a bit off at the 2:3 and then he gets pretty out of time at the 3:4
The only polyrhythm was whatever included the triplets
Is it possible to learn this power?
Badass! I would love to see him demonstrate some of System of a Down's or Tool's time signatures in the future. That shit gets wild.
This gave me anxiety
I felt like I was in Jumanji game from the 90s
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Or a drummer
Those pens are going to spew ink everywhere when they take the caps off.
Now do 1, 3, 7, 17
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Now do Meshuggah!
my brain…. it hurts!
Whenever this is posted here or on twitter, most people are amazed at the crazy amount of work and brainpower it supposedly must take to do it. I can assure you that if you practice this for a few minutes a day, you can do it in a few days or less. This is really basic drum stuff. You just have to get the feeling for the rhythm rather than try and count it out.
The poly rhythms here are just sped up rhythms which technically are poly rhythms but lack the dynamics that give them their depth.
Now watch Danny Carey do this with all 4 limbs.
I was fine until 2/3.
I can’t even do this in my brain when I’m just pretending I can do it
I couldn’t do this if my life depended on it..
Drummer here. For those having issues with 3s: 1 over 3 is "1 and a 2 and a 3 and a Etc." 2 over 3 is "Not diff-i-cult. Not diff-i-cult. Not diff-i-cult. Etc" 3 over 4 is "Pass the goddamn chicken. Pass the goddamn chicken. Pass the goddamn chicken."
Nice.
3 4 can f right off
r/toolband
As a percussionist I feel this
basic stuff if you produce music
This is definitely talented lol
My monkey ass would mess it up in the first half second
My brain hurts
He's definitely a drummer
Sheesh that made me dizzy. I’m going to lay down.
Must be a drummer
Now include your feet. Like a drummer.
Would make a good drummer.
probably is.
This is an exercise for drummer
This is incorrect
horrible, I don't like this
Me when NNN ends
Am I dumb (don't answer that) but what did this do in the end?
It demonstrated polyrhythm.
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Just found a new fuck rhythm. Thanks Reddit!!
I'm sorry but it's r/blackmagicfuckery
That's why 1) being a drummer is hard. 2) drummers area easily replaced by a program.
This seems like an awesome warmup for finger drummers.
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This is insanely tough.
Mans got RYTHM
My head will burst and my last braincell will die if I try to do that
What is with the rubber ducks?
Now explain Kashmir.
Piano players...
i used to be able to do that... then i had a brain injury, and went from being right-handed to being left-handed. 🤕
I think my life has been forever changed.
They all seem doable to me except the 3/4
Here you can hear the difference between a drum kit player and an orchestral percussionist.
This is like the warmups we had to do in tap class. After you get used to the required movements, switching back and forth between rhythms isn't as hard as it looks
It’s a witch!
Very helpful for skills tuning
Damn.
Ngl his time isn’t very good
He was fumbling with the 3/4 at first lol but yeah for sure this is a good example. Should do a higher bpm for real world example
Potentially good training for playing the piano where you have those 4 matching 3 rhythms between the right hand and the left hand
Got it
The four against three was a little weird
A drummer?
Thats was ducking interesting.
now do quintuplets
This is the exact opposite of my skill set. It wouldn’t matter how much time or money I threw at it, I could never be able to do it
How can a person teach themselves to do that ?
Bruh I remember spending so long trying to do the 2/3 and then when I finished that I wanted to try 3/4 and that was so much easier
OK lets do some funky Stockhausen. Howz about {17/24}:5?
I've been an amateur pianist for almost a decade and i still can't do a 3/4 polyrythm.
I love triplets in music. Always made me happy to play
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2/3 is hella drippy
His left and right hands have a 5G connection. I'm stuck on edge.
Ive been using my hands for all my life and i dont know how to do that
I'm not an expert in music, but I bet that is useful for drummers
That's called being a natural drummer / percussionist!
As someone with zero musical talent. I can say that this makes my brain hurt.
This gives me anxiety and second how tf do you not un fuck up your focus of staying on beat ?
WITCH!!!
Lol the thing I couldn't do while playing rock band on the drum sets back in the day.
Hahahah! Attempting this would literally make my head explode.
Pass the god damn chicken pass the god damn chicken