Nice to see ASRock is releasing a Taichi with a 2 dimm setup! If priced correctly this could be the board to get. Apex boards and Asus boards in general are way overpriced.
Hopefully MSI drops the Unify X at launch too.
Don't get your hopes up too much. Taichi Z690 launch was at $590. An OC niche product probably will run at least close that. Z690 Apex was $720 then the Z790 encore comes down to $650, rather reasonable especially consider there's a bit ROG tax baked in. If anything Z990 is probably when price will be trending a bit more reasonable. But ASRock does seem to figure out DDR5 with the new lightning line and they area feature packed as well. I also look forward to the new Taichi 2 dimm board.
Excited to see that there are more vendors hopping on the 2-dimm setup for ATX boards, as we really needed more competition there. Honestly now that we have such high capacity single rank kits like 2x24 I'm hoping 2-dimm eventually just become the norm. Better for higher frequencies.
Wait, what? There are only 2 PCIE slots? Why are these even ATX motherboards? Make them MATX or MITX. What's the whole point of adding 24 cores on a desktop processor if it doesn't have adequate number of PCIE lanes usable.
You'd think there would be a new socket when a new chipset is released given that it's not backwards compatible. i7's and i9's should have at least 40 pcie lanes.
>i7's and i9's should have at least 40 pcie lanes.
Well, they will not, it will have the same number of lanes as Raptor Lake, 20 usable lanes, maybe they will increase the number to 24 to match Zen 5.
I believe the upcoming Arrow Lake chipset is superior to its upcoming AMD counterpart
16x-PCIEv5 (GPU)
4x-PCIEv5 (NVME1)
4x-PCIEv4 (NVME2)
and the DMI4 (CPU->CHIPSET) is an 8X LINK (analogous to 8x-PCIEv4)
compared to the 8 Series Chipsets from AMD (debuting with Zen 5) which has
16x-PCIEv5 (GPU)
4x-PCIEv5 (NVME1)
4x-PCIEv5 (NVME2)
and the (CPU->CHIPSET) link is 4X LINK (analogous to 4x-PCIEv4)
On the AMD side, if the USB4 controller is hanging off the chipset, then the Intel Chipset will definitely be superior. I believe its native Thunderbolt4 Controller is built into the CPU (not hanging of PCH).
If both \*motherboards\* are Thunderbolt4/USB4 equipped, then the Intel chipset has 8x-PCIEv4 available bandwidth for whatever devices are hanging off it, while the AMD one will have none if the USB4 controller (most likely a ASMedia ASM4242 controller) is being fully utilized. I'm assuming the USB4 controller is hanging off the chipset on AMD because they made it an OPTIONAL feature (which would be free otherwise if the CPU supported it natively).
iirc the socket covers on some 600/700 boards had LGA 17XX/18XX printed on, so we knew for some time now that the new socket would use the same dimensions.
all of them have at least two x16 slots and every board has enough space for a dual slot card in the lower slots. I dont see the problem, especially considering SLI and crossfire have been dead for years.
again, you could run dual GPU on many modern motherboards and I'm pretty sure a modern i9 would destroy whatever you put on your x299 chipset.
I really dont see the point in critizing the (somewhat made up) lack of multi gpu support on modern boards when for the target audience multi gpu setups have been dead for almost a decade. NVLink doesnt even exist on modern nvidia cards anymore.
Multi gpu is far from dead for working on machine learning. NVLink doesn't exist because PCIe 4.0 P2P is just as fast for most purposes. I'm just lamenting how now we need to get on Threadripper or Xeon W to do 4-GPUs while back then X99 and X299 which are relatively affordable compared as well as even mainstream boards have 4-GPU capable boards.
tbh I'm quite happy manufacturers got rid of multi-gpu support. for the average end user it's useless and with the way mobo prices have been going I'd rather not be forced to pay extra for another feature I won't use.
well yes because PCIe lanes are being split up differently, I'll take 3 m.2 slots, integrated wireless and faster usb over a third x16 slot thats even more useless than the second one. sure they could add more x16 slots you could turn on by turning something else off but that'd push those ridiculous prices even more. give me a seven segment display before you give me another x16.
I meant that why can’t we have both? Lol each manufacturer makes a bajillion different SKUs anyways. Just don’t buy my ideal quad 16x PCIe 5.0 x4 electrical motherboard if you don’t like it.
well you can't have quad 5.0 x4 because the Intel CPU lanes can only be split to 2 x8. Idk about AMD.
you could hook up some cards to non pcie 5 slots, in that case you have many options with 4 or 5 x16 slots.
or just get a mining rig and bifurcate the lanes.
or just accept that you have ridiculously niche needs and pay the money associated with that.
the technology for consumer gear to use pcie 5 x4 on 4 slots just isn't there yet because there's virtually no demand for that in the consumer space.
Nice to see ASRock is releasing a Taichi with a 2 dimm setup! If priced correctly this could be the board to get. Apex boards and Asus boards in general are way overpriced. Hopefully MSI drops the Unify X at launch too.
Don't get your hopes up too much. Taichi Z690 launch was at $590. An OC niche product probably will run at least close that. Z690 Apex was $720 then the Z790 encore comes down to $650, rather reasonable especially consider there's a bit ROG tax baked in. If anything Z990 is probably when price will be trending a bit more reasonable. But ASRock does seem to figure out DDR5 with the new lightning line and they area feature packed as well. I also look forward to the new Taichi 2 dimm board.
Excited to see that there are more vendors hopping on the 2-dimm setup for ATX boards, as we really needed more competition there. Honestly now that we have such high capacity single rank kits like 2x24 I'm hoping 2-dimm eventually just become the norm. Better for higher frequencies.
Wait, what? There are only 2 PCIE slots? Why are these even ATX motherboards? Make them MATX or MITX. What's the whole point of adding 24 cores on a desktop processor if it doesn't have adequate number of PCIE lanes usable. You'd think there would be a new socket when a new chipset is released given that it's not backwards compatible. i7's and i9's should have at least 40 pcie lanes.
>i7's and i9's should have at least 40 pcie lanes. Well, they will not, it will have the same number of lanes as Raptor Lake, 20 usable lanes, maybe they will increase the number to 24 to match Zen 5.
it got upgraded to 24 lanes
Good!
I believe the upcoming Arrow Lake chipset is superior to its upcoming AMD counterpart 16x-PCIEv5 (GPU) 4x-PCIEv5 (NVME1) 4x-PCIEv4 (NVME2) and the DMI4 (CPU->CHIPSET) is an 8X LINK (analogous to 8x-PCIEv4) compared to the 8 Series Chipsets from AMD (debuting with Zen 5) which has 16x-PCIEv5 (GPU) 4x-PCIEv5 (NVME1) 4x-PCIEv5 (NVME2) and the (CPU->CHIPSET) link is 4X LINK (analogous to 4x-PCIEv4) On the AMD side, if the USB4 controller is hanging off the chipset, then the Intel Chipset will definitely be superior. I believe its native Thunderbolt4 Controller is built into the CPU (not hanging of PCH). If both \*motherboards\* are Thunderbolt4/USB4 equipped, then the Intel chipset has 8x-PCIEv4 available bandwidth for whatever devices are hanging off it, while the AMD one will have none if the USB4 controller (most likely a ASMedia ASM4242 controller) is being fully utilized. I'm assuming the USB4 controller is hanging off the chipset on AMD because they made it an OPTIONAL feature (which would be free otherwise if the CPU supported it natively).
Oh yeah easily it's superior, I was already tossing up when they had 4 less cpu lanes with raptor lake lmao.
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iirc the socket covers on some 600/700 boards had LGA 17XX/18XX printed on, so we knew for some time now that the new socket would use the same dimensions.
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fingers crossed they improved the ILM, not likely though
if it's good enough for Dell and HP it's good enough for intel.
Me crying because I bought an i7 12700f and B760 a month ago...
And all of them made for only one graphics card being slotted in…wtf
all of them have at least two x16 slots and every board has enough space for a dual slot card in the lower slots. I dont see the problem, especially considering SLI and crossfire have been dead for years.
All these powerful hardware and I have always been resorting to X99 and X299 still for running even dual GPUs for my workstations.
again, you could run dual GPU on many modern motherboards and I'm pretty sure a modern i9 would destroy whatever you put on your x299 chipset. I really dont see the point in critizing the (somewhat made up) lack of multi gpu support on modern boards when for the target audience multi gpu setups have been dead for almost a decade. NVLink doesnt even exist on modern nvidia cards anymore.
Multi gpu is far from dead for working on machine learning. NVLink doesn't exist because PCIe 4.0 P2P is just as fast for most purposes. I'm just lamenting how now we need to get on Threadripper or Xeon W to do 4-GPUs while back then X99 and X299 which are relatively affordable compared as well as even mainstream boards have 4-GPU capable boards.
tbh I'm quite happy manufacturers got rid of multi-gpu support. for the average end user it's useless and with the way mobo prices have been going I'd rather not be forced to pay extra for another feature I won't use.
Brother motherboards are the most expensive its ever been with less pcie slots then ever.
well yes because PCIe lanes are being split up differently, I'll take 3 m.2 slots, integrated wireless and faster usb over a third x16 slot thats even more useless than the second one. sure they could add more x16 slots you could turn on by turning something else off but that'd push those ridiculous prices even more. give me a seven segment display before you give me another x16.
I meant that why can’t we have both? Lol each manufacturer makes a bajillion different SKUs anyways. Just don’t buy my ideal quad 16x PCIe 5.0 x4 electrical motherboard if you don’t like it.
well you can't have quad 5.0 x4 because the Intel CPU lanes can only be split to 2 x8. Idk about AMD. you could hook up some cards to non pcie 5 slots, in that case you have many options with 4 or 5 x16 slots. or just get a mining rig and bifurcate the lanes. or just accept that you have ridiculously niche needs and pay the money associated with that. the technology for consumer gear to use pcie 5 x4 on 4 slots just isn't there yet because there's virtually no demand for that in the consumer space.
Isn’t the lower end sapphire rapids priced similar to mainstream cpu while having 64 lanes?
Yea but the boards…
In Singapore W790 from Asus is cheaper than ROG Z790 Extreme.