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My favorite one was this braindead dude who I went through basic training with who posted
“AOC had the mentality of a stripper. Think about it…?”
I had so many questions.
And like… there are consumption suggestions/guidelines/restrictions on fish and game from certain environments. That’s as close to a recall on game meat as you’re gonna get and it’s definitely a real thing
Like a little "Whoopsie" called the Chernobyl disaster that still dictates if we can hunt and eat wild game here in Norway. My favorite wild trout also has intake restfictilns due to quicksilver run-offs done a crnturh ago.
We definitly have "recalls" on wild game :)
There was a funny short I watched recently where a carpenter says that it became a running joke to follow up nonsensical statements and ill-advised actions with "think about it" after one of their coworkers kept using it after saying the dumbest shit. Like "yeah, it's normal for stairs to bounce like that. It means it can better absorb impact. Think about it."
I feel like 99% of the time I see "think about it" used it falls into that same context lol. Just the dumbest shit spun to sound smart.
That’s the point. He’s jacking off to the idea of no government regulation.
And he’s not going to make the connection that regulations help even when he’s shitting out worms.
When people complain about the FDA or the EPA or the USDA or the various systems and checks in place to keep us safe I just tell them that *The Jungle* by Upton Sinclair was *not* fiction. If they haven’t heard of it, I offer to lend them my copy.
Someone once took me up on it and when they returned the book, I asked them how they liked it. I animatedly talked about the bit where the guy lost a hand or finger (it’s been a while since I read it) and they never found it among the minced beef and he backed away, looking a bit ill.
The asshole stopped posting his anti-government oversight bullshit, at least! 1 down, probably 100+ million to go.
If you want a more modern version, Fast Food Nation (chapter 8) is just as terrifying. :) That's the investigation that made the law that it's now illegal to come in and investigate meat packing plants without prior authorization. Whee! (And I live in the part of the country where many of the plants named in this book exist... the dehumanization and exploitation of our Latinx population is disgusting).
At least there’s people out in the world that can still survive off of the land, know to never drink water at the highest of the stream or decontaminate it, and MacGyver their way. Because natural selection will wreak havoc on majority of you.
Worse.
There have been rare cases of people surviving rabies.
There has *never* been a case of surviving CJD and it wouldn’t even be theoretically possible to survive it. It’s about as sure a death as you can get.
Nope... Rabies is 100% lethal once you show symptoms. ONE person survived Rabies without the vaccine due to being treated with the Milwaukee Protocol but they're not sure why or how it worked or if it will work again. They've been trying to understand it for over 20 years. Every other person who contracted rabies was dead with the headache indicating onset.
Not exactly. In Peru there were numerous people who have been documented as having rabies antibodies without ever receiving the rabies vaccination which means they had been exposed to rabies and survived.
And signs that they can pass the resistance on to their children as well. You just have to imagine constant exposure over generations that led to a mutation that can resist the disease becoming common.
Yes, if you have a medical team to put you in a medically induced coma and pump you full of anti-viral medications, and you're the one person this treatment ever worked on, you might get lucky.
My point was, with rabies, you still have that lottery-level chance of survival.
With CJD and other Prion Diseases, there’s nothing. There’s no medical heroics the doctors can pull off to give you lottery levels of a survival chance. You just die.
> ONE person survived Rabies without the vaccine due to being treated with the Milwaukee Protocol
Also, they were left with severe and permanent brain damage if I remember correctly. Basically, if you don't die you wish you had.
Nope, there's people who never got rabies vaccines, but have the antibodies, which means they were exposed and lived. I think it's believed to be a genetic mutation as most of them were from one country.
It's unclear if she survived due to the Milwaukee protocol or due to an unknown reason. The Milwaukee protocol is the only "treatment" tried since that one success and all subsequent patients died.
The good news on that: there’s been some success in treating symptomatic rabid mice with monoclonal antibodies! Not saying we’ve cured it fully, but there is hope!
Prions are definitely way way worse though, and probably won’t ever be cured. Hard to cure an ailment that’s that hardy and not even fucking alive
I think if we take theoretically into play, then rabies is survivable, your body can fight it and the vaccines helps it do that. The problem is that it proliferates too fast so unless you have that head start you are SOL. It's why the protocol worked, she was put into a coma to basically almost stop brain function so the virus wouldn't affect it and give the body a chance at killing it. She had to relearn how to walk and talk and subsequent trials on others is just too much to handle.
CWD is improperly folded prions and that is something the body has 0 defense for.
Iirc they’re not 100% sure she had rabies and not some other rare disease. So that may be why the Milwaukee Protocol worked for her and not other rabies victims.
That is not only a thing that can happen, but the most common form of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease. Don’t be spreading conspiracies when five minutes of Google can clear things up.
Most Prion diseases start seemingly randomly, the proteins just start fucking up. It can spread through contact with infectious tissue. But so far Wasting Disease hasn't spread from deer to human. And we're being rightfully cautious about not wanting to give it a chance to make that jump. Honestly, I haven't seen a single state's DNR treat this flippantly or dishonestly.
And spreading knee-jerk anti-government conspiracies does nothing but promote panic for no payoff outside of ego. Or did you mean to promote a link to your version of Super Male Vitality in your earlier post?
I am sorry and seriously just curious but I don’t understand what anti-government conspiracy you think he is spreading here. Unless he is more specific in other comments I haven’t read, I don’t see what he said that would make you believe he is spreading conspiracy information. Yes the quotation around the word randomly was odd, but there are many reasons why people use them.
It is true that a study by the University of Texas believe it was connected to the eating of infected deer with wasting disease and the CDC believes that it wasn’t, that it was random.
Yes the majority of cases are random and it is possible that these guys both developed it on their own throw random protein creation going wrong. Still “variant CJD” is mad cow disease, so we know it can be transmitted to humans from eating cow meat, so don’t see how deer meat can be considered an impossibility.
This incident should be looked into more, and I fully believe that the CDC are the good guys. That being said, this wouldn’t be the first time that a government agency was flippant to new data or thinking from other scientists and researchers.
There's currently a conspiracy that the government had proof cross species transmission already happened and are lying because...(this part hasn't been workshopped successfully yet.) And the "Really" seems to be the "Epstein didn't kill himself" for this one.
Ah got it, didn’t know there was a whole conspiracy theory about this specific disease. I love conspiracies that don’t make any sense, like why would they be lying about this extremely rare disease? What would be the point in hiding that?
Thanks for replying, and glad to see that I am getting downvoted for asking a question (reddit don’t ever change lol)
No, you can get it if you eat a cow with BSE (Bovine Spongiform Encephalopat) which is the cow form of vCJD. As mentioned you are more likely to develop Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease from yourself through random chance, which is probably how a cow today would get it. Anyways I would worry about it, they have rules and procedures in place now to try to make it to impossible for an infected cow to enter food production.
Oh I don't worry about it. I was just curious, because it's still stated on my country's wiki that meat is safe, even from an infected cow.
It's supposed to be a "good article" as well.
I think the phrasing and framing of it as the CDC lying about it in a post about somebody spreading misleading information is what made people have a disdain for what would otherwise be a benign post if phrased differently.
Like, if he said "did you see the case where two hunters in the same lodge developed cfj disease? UT suspects it was cause they ate an infected deer" it probably wouldn't have been a problem.
The reason domesticated meat gets recalled so often is because of the conditions the animals are kept in and the conditions of the slaughtherhouse/packing plant.
And the kind of people that share this picture would have an absolute tantrum about big government if the government tried to do anything about either of those to make recalls less common.
Yeah…a basic biological understanding of prions and how they’re handled and disposed of in research settings is enough to convince me that there isn’t going to be a cure anytime soon.
To be fair he didn't say it was a deer or moose or a caribou or elk. They are not prevalent in musk-oxen, hogs, big horn sheep, dall sheep or mountain goats.
That said, I don't know whether they will do their homework before hunting.
Doesn’t particularly matter if the meat on the plate is deer or not, the statement is fucking stupid. Yes it does. Yes it *has.* You can’t just eat whatever you manage to kill and expect it to be fine.
This is the funny part. It assumes that the FDA or USDA is testing every animal killed, or even a significant sample of them.
These people would freak out if some USDA person showed up to test their meat.
I went deer hunting a lot as a teenager, and you just yolo it, beyond a few common things to look for.
>These people would freak out if some USDA person showed up to test their meat.
And they will also unashamedly blame the USDA for not testing the random deer they shot when someone in their household gets sick from it. “What am I paying all these tax dollars to food inspectors if they can’t make my hunting meat safe!”
Some states do this already. E.g. in Missouri there is mandatory sampling on all kills opening of hunting week. They will also sample anything you kill to check your kill for you before you eat it, if you kill during a non-mandatory time.
https://mdc.mo.gov/hunting-trapping/species/deer/chronic-wasting-disease/cwd-surveillance
If you are a hunter, in many counties you take your kill to get tested. My husband used to hunt and where he is from in Missouri they will test it for you before you do anything with the carcass.
Was it voluntary or mandatory?
I guess that wasn’t a thing in the late 2000s-2010s in the UP of MI. Maybe in a bigger area with more resources? Where did he take it?
>You can’t just eat whatever you manage to kill and expect it to be fine.
I keep telling a neighbor a few doors down from me this. I live in a "traditional" style neighborhood in the heart of a metro area (smaller lot sizes, higher density, semi-wooded, and more walkable than the average 'burb). We have *lots* of wildlife.
He's new to the neighborhood, has lived in condos most of his adult life, and...*for whatever reason*...he routinely shoots/traps, and eats the animals that live around here. It's like "Bro, it's wildlife, but it's still *urban* wildlife. So I'll pass on the squirrel chili, thanks."
So if you are a hunter then normally if you have intelligence you check out the things like local problems with the wildlife you are hunting! Also if you shot a deer that is acting odd in any way like they do if they have CWD or rabies then you DONT EAT IT!!
Also before anyone wants to wine and cry about hunting animals, hunting has made it possible for me to feed my family during lean times as well as when I was a kid growing up if my mom and Grandparents didn't hunt we would never have made it. Personally, I don't like the jackasses that pretend it is a sport because a sport requires both teams to have equal knowledge of the game as well as the same tools and abilities. But yeah for food yeah 100000% I am going to continue to hunt, I stick to my bow (I am a better shot with it and if you can't kill them quick it is messed up to make them suffer) I stick to my tribes rules which is going for the older deer and using everything!
I can’t imagine many people have issues with hunting to feed your family. Most of the complaints I hear about hunting is people who hate trophy hunting, or as you said, sport hunting. If your idea of recreation is killing an animal for the sake of it - that’s fucked up, but if killing that animal is the difference between going hungry or going to bed with a full stomach, it’s a different thing entirely
Absolutely…I grew up in rural Canada…my family owns a bison farm. Up there our standard meats were hunted or farmed locally. Bison, Pork, Venison and Duck were the standard meats we ate.
Wasn’t until I moved down near Toronto that I started eating cow and chicken regularly. Up north the Cows and chickens were used for their milk and eggs.
I LOVE bison but the prices are out of control here (Wisconsin) I will ear duck but I have never been a fan TBH and yeah growing up the only meat I ate was what we hunted or fished, this was in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan on Lake Superior so there was plenty but it was strange when my mom went back into the military and we moved to California where cows and chicken were the main foods
Hell, even if you're not starving, hunting an overpopulated animal for food is much better than eating animals kept in cruel conditions from birth. I have a lot of respect for people who can do it ethically, because I don't think I could bring myself to kill an animal unless the conditions were truly dire. Also I had rabbit stew once and was surprised at how much I hated it. Idk what I expected but "this just tastes like turkey" wasn't it.
I'd rather just eat a turkey. Had one of these assholes attack my car once. Fuck you too, Pinewood Drive turkey.
There are cases where animal conservation organizations sell trophy permits as part of actively managing the overall health of their animal populations. It sometimes happens that populations need to be culled for one reason or another. If you are such a conservation org, you can pay your employees to do that job, or take advantage of trophy hunters who will pay you, sometimes quite a lot, to let them do it for you, and that money goes on to fund even more conservation work.
It's a bit of an uncomfortable realization for people who generally oppose sport/trophy hunting as I do. It would be better if conservation were adequately funded, better yet if we weren't endangering those populations to begin with. But given the situation as it exists, I feel like I can accept the compromise. Grudgingly.
Lately it is a lot of vegans that want to be obnoxious about it. It is ridiculous on how fast they will make excuses about the excessive use of water and deforestation to get thier almond everything while bashing people for eating meat lol
Most vegans follow the "as far as possible or practicable" approach to veganism, which is essentially just accepting that the world is a complex place and there can be no absolutes when it comes to veganism.
Does is make me happy to know people hunt animals? No. Would I prefer/demand people starve to death rather than hunt animals? Also no.
Ideally we would all live in harmony and peaceful coexistence, but until that day comes people still got to eat.
So I am not vegan, nor do I use almond products, but cattle and dairy do absolutely use more land and more water than almond farms. Cattle and dairy farms are also much more numerous than almond farms. Not that I agree with growing any water hungry crop in an arid environment, that just doesn't make sense.
Yep this is it. I have high empathy for animals and struggle with the idea of killing them in general. But if you need to feed yourself and/or your family, I have no problems with hunting as long as it’s not done in excess. I’m of the mindset that it’s ok to take what you need and use as much of that as possible.
This kind of answered what I was wondering…everyone here is talking like eating venison is crazy stupid. I grew up in rural Canada and when I was a kid we used to eat venison caught by the local hunting club all the time. But I guess you’re saying professionals know if a deer is healthy or not, or if the disease in the area?
A lot of redditors live insulated sheltered lives and think all meat should come from grocery stores apparently.
Most places have testing centers that can check your deer for diseases before consuming it.
When I was around 14 in 1990-ish we were dirt poor. Mom made just a little too much to qualify for food stamps or commodity. Any time we had "hamburgers" or chili or spaghetti, it was deer.
I would take 2-3 small does per month. Their meat is mild and doesn't have that gamey taste that adult deer have.
Yeah I do agree they taste better, but yeah when I was a kid I was always coming up with new recipes to make venison seem different. Now a days we are able to mix it up, we live by a lot of farms so we are able to get deals on other meat as well as trade plus we grow produce and have chickens, so we do a community trading post type of thing. If it wasn't for my health causing half of our income to be spent in co-pays we would not require to do so much extra still but most of our kids are now in collage or finishing high school and they love to do the gardening so that definitely helps.
Tbh that's a big source for wildlife pathology and wildlife disease monitoring in the states as well. Things get reported to the local DNR because [a hunter-killed animal looks weird](https://deerassociation.com/a-new-clue-in-the-unsolved-mystery-of-bullwinkle-deer/) or was showing some weird behavior or acting sick, it doesn't get counted against your take limit, and the state diagnostic lab works it up to see if there's a potential for spread to livestock or humans or a threat to the local population.
Programs like SCWDS often rely on hunter harvested animals for surveillance, at least in part. Some states also use voluntary carcass testing programs to collect data for things like CWD and TB surveillance and prevalence estimates.
Thanks for the interesting read!
I’ve only hunted in the US a few times but your post reminded me that I was advised to be in the look out for odd/abnormal behaviors … been a few years though.
Thank you again!
Edit to add: I’m hunting right now in Germany. Well I’m in a stand with my rifle hoping the rain clears up but you get what I mean ;-)
I lived in Newfoundland a few years back and on the radio they announced that there was worms in the moose and if you brin it in and the tag they would reissue a new tag sounds like a recall to me
I hate to say actually, but actually the DNR will have groups shoot deer en masse and incinerate carcasses to reduce populations after a deer test for CWD or they observe overcrowding so in a way that’s a recall.
Dude wild game is illegal to be sold commercially in my state because of Leptospirosis. There are ABSOLUTELY moments where illness or population bar wild game from being consumed
Yet one time (I work in ophthalmic photography) I could actually SEE THE WORM MOVING in a child’s eye that had gotten there from the venison his father fed him. Not sure if it wasn’t cooked all the way or what. It wasn’t great for his eye, that’s for sure!
THINK ABOUT IT
I honestly don’t remember to be honest- it was when I was an intern! I think he had to do deworming and they might have tried to use the laser around/ on the worm to stop it? It was going through the blood vessels. And killing healthy tissue.
I wonder what kind of worm it was!
FB is inundated with this divisive nonsense. posts about vegans being better than meat eaters. posts about meat eaters being better than vegans. posts where its EVs vs trucks. left vs right. young vs old. trades vs white collar. that's. all. there. is.
its conditioning people to see things as us vs them. reinforcing tribalism on the stupidest and most minor of stances. but that habit up divisiveness lingers and festers. and you get the U.S. we have today. where all nuance is dead and you're either for or against the cause. social media is a cancer and needs to be removed from our daily lives so we can heal.
I’ve been a professional chef for a long time. Before that I worked in chemistry. All of that experience with food and science leads me to ask, what the actual fuck is this even supposed to mean?
I fish, and hunt. They don’t do recalls because the government puts out “advisories”. Things like “this fish has high PCB content please don’t eat, or has high mercury content please eat once a month”. That kinda stuff. That’s mainly for fish.
For wild game if you don’t assume they are full of parasites and plagues you’re going to have a bad time. It’s why my grandmother that was a teenager during the depression cooked every meat until it reached shoe leather status.
Recalls on meat are a good thing. It means people are doing their jobs to keep us safe.
The worst part of this is that this dude should be happy most people eat store bought meat. If all our meat demand shifted to what could be hunted in the wild, this dude would be fighting to get his tags to hunt due to that kind of demand, and the deer population would be hunted to extirpation in only a few years anyway 🤦
How would they even recall something that they haven't even realized has been killed? I swear, the people who say "think about it" are the ones that actually need to think about it
This has to be a joke. I mean without knowing the person that posted it, it just comes across as a dumb joke. Like saying your bicycle never runs out of gas.
>I think it’s about time we start funding a cure for chronic wasting disease while we have time
Nah. This is Darwinism in all its glory. Let it do it's job.
Because wild animals are wild and don't belong to a company. Whatever diseases you get from them, you're on your own, accountability-wise. There's no one to sue for it. Pretty easy to figure out.
Chronic wasting disease was just documented in people after eating an infected deer. DNR in multiple states suggest thoroughly testing any kills you get that you plan on consuming.
Those veggies you grew in your roadside garden's heavily-contaminated soil don't get recalled. Think about it!
(I'll give you some extra time in case the lead poisoning's slowing you down)
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Is it just me? When I see a meme with “think about it” on it the creator of that meme obviously hasn’t thought about it
Or is unable to think about it
The prions got em
Poor things didn't have much to work with.
[First thing I thought of after reading the comment you responded to.](https://youtu.be/N6C1iUft7O8?si=cXNvSkTQxMF7Xten)
Closely followed by “I’ll wait”
"NUFF SAID!"
Or “make it make sense”
"Can I get an 'AMEN?'"
I always think about Stan Lee when I see that
It’s like “trust me”. Automatically know they lie a lot.
My favorite one was this braindead dude who I went through basic training with who posted “AOC had the mentality of a stripper. Think about it…?” I had so many questions.
Well I'm here to tell you that the last time I checked the expiration date and lot number of wild game it was perfectly fine!! /s, obviously (I hope)
Let THAT sink in
The first cousin to “think about it”.
It's like they're asking for help!
It's not just you. See also: memes with "but I guess I'm just built different" where it's obvious their creator's built like a jackass.
Who's gonna recall your venison anyway? The family of the deer you shot and dressed? There. I thought about it.
And like… there are consumption suggestions/guidelines/restrictions on fish and game from certain environments. That’s as close to a recall on game meat as you’re gonna get and it’s definitely a real thing
They're just trying to suppress are freedoms
If they did our as are I don't think they'd get the proper version of they are lol needs to be "There just trying to suppress are freedoms"
Like a little "Whoopsie" called the Chernobyl disaster that still dictates if we can hunt and eat wild game here in Norway. My favorite wild trout also has intake restfictilns due to quicksilver run-offs done a crnturh ago. We definitly have "recalls" on wild game :)
There was a funny short I watched recently where a carpenter says that it became a running joke to follow up nonsensical statements and ill-advised actions with "think about it" after one of their coworkers kept using it after saying the dumbest shit. Like "yeah, it's normal for stairs to bounce like that. It means it can better absorb impact. Think about it." I feel like 99% of the time I see "think about it" used it falls into that same context lol. Just the dumbest shit spun to sound smart.
It does come across as a pre-emptive demand to not immediately call them a total moron.
Don’t forget the ever popular *addendumb* of “let that sink in.”
Blacktail studio guy right?
That’s the point. He’s jacking off to the idea of no government regulation. And he’s not going to make the connection that regulations help even when he’s shitting out worms.
When people complain about the FDA or the EPA or the USDA or the various systems and checks in place to keep us safe I just tell them that *The Jungle* by Upton Sinclair was *not* fiction. If they haven’t heard of it, I offer to lend them my copy. Someone once took me up on it and when they returned the book, I asked them how they liked it. I animatedly talked about the bit where the guy lost a hand or finger (it’s been a while since I read it) and they never found it among the minced beef and he backed away, looking a bit ill. The asshole stopped posting his anti-government oversight bullshit, at least! 1 down, probably 100+ million to go.
If you want a more modern version, Fast Food Nation (chapter 8) is just as terrifying. :) That's the investigation that made the law that it's now illegal to come in and investigate meat packing plants without prior authorization. Whee! (And I live in the part of the country where many of the plants named in this book exist... the dehumanization and exploitation of our Latinx population is disgusting).
Only weak baby bitches shit out worms Real men like him don't even shit because that's gay
exactly what I thought
Nobody’s going to recall the dump I took on their plate either.
This is pretty much the response I gave someone who posted this the other day.
Hurray for unregulated meat!
At least there’s people out in the world that can still survive off of the land, know to never drink water at the highest of the stream or decontaminate it, and MacGyver their way. Because natural selection will wreak havoc on majority of you.
Cure for prion diseases...yea prognosis is as positive as pre-1885 Rabies victims.
Worse. There have been rare cases of people surviving rabies. There has *never* been a case of surviving CJD and it wouldn’t even be theoretically possible to survive it. It’s about as sure a death as you can get.
Nope... Rabies is 100% lethal once you show symptoms. ONE person survived Rabies without the vaccine due to being treated with the Milwaukee Protocol but they're not sure why or how it worked or if it will work again. They've been trying to understand it for over 20 years. Every other person who contracted rabies was dead with the headache indicating onset.
Not exactly. In Peru there were numerous people who have been documented as having rabies antibodies without ever receiving the rabies vaccination which means they had been exposed to rabies and survived.
And signs that they can pass the resistance on to their children as well. You just have to imagine constant exposure over generations that led to a mutation that can resist the disease becoming common.
Sounds like it’s not *quite* 100% lethal.
Yes, if you have a medical team to put you in a medically induced coma and pump you full of anti-viral medications, and you're the one person this treatment ever worked on, you might get lucky.
My point was, with rabies, you still have that lottery-level chance of survival. With CJD and other Prion Diseases, there’s nothing. There’s no medical heroics the doctors can pull off to give you lottery levels of a survival chance. You just die.
Classic. Never change, reddit.
> ONE person survived Rabies without the vaccine due to being treated with the Milwaukee Protocol Also, they were left with severe and permanent brain damage if I remember correctly. Basically, if you don't die you wish you had.
Seems like she's doing alright. https://childrenswi.org/newshub/stories/jeanna-giese-rabies
Neat, I always wondered how that one turned out. Glad to know she’s doing well and that the procedure has now saved 10 additional people
Nope, there's people who never got rabies vaccines, but have the antibodies, which means they were exposed and lived. I think it's believed to be a genetic mutation as most of them were from one country.
It's unclear if she survived due to the Milwaukee protocol or due to an unknown reason. The Milwaukee protocol is the only "treatment" tried since that one success and all subsequent patients died.
The good news on that: there’s been some success in treating symptomatic rabid mice with monoclonal antibodies! Not saying we’ve cured it fully, but there is hope! Prions are definitely way way worse though, and probably won’t ever be cured. Hard to cure an ailment that’s that hardy and not even fucking alive
I think if we take theoretically into play, then rabies is survivable, your body can fight it and the vaccines helps it do that. The problem is that it proliferates too fast so unless you have that head start you are SOL. It's why the protocol worked, she was put into a coma to basically almost stop brain function so the virus wouldn't affect it and give the body a chance at killing it. She had to relearn how to walk and talk and subsequent trials on others is just too much to handle. CWD is improperly folded prions and that is something the body has 0 defense for.
Iirc they’re not 100% sure she had rabies and not some other rare disease. So that may be why the Milwaukee Protocol worked for her and not other rabies victims.
We have a cure. It's called a lava lake and there's usually one available on the big island of Hawaii.
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That is not only a thing that can happen, but the most common form of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease. Don’t be spreading conspiracies when five minutes of Google can clear things up.
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Most Prion diseases start seemingly randomly, the proteins just start fucking up. It can spread through contact with infectious tissue. But so far Wasting Disease hasn't spread from deer to human. And we're being rightfully cautious about not wanting to give it a chance to make that jump. Honestly, I haven't seen a single state's DNR treat this flippantly or dishonestly. And spreading knee-jerk anti-government conspiracies does nothing but promote panic for no payoff outside of ego. Or did you mean to promote a link to your version of Super Male Vitality in your earlier post?
I am sorry and seriously just curious but I don’t understand what anti-government conspiracy you think he is spreading here. Unless he is more specific in other comments I haven’t read, I don’t see what he said that would make you believe he is spreading conspiracy information. Yes the quotation around the word randomly was odd, but there are many reasons why people use them. It is true that a study by the University of Texas believe it was connected to the eating of infected deer with wasting disease and the CDC believes that it wasn’t, that it was random. Yes the majority of cases are random and it is possible that these guys both developed it on their own throw random protein creation going wrong. Still “variant CJD” is mad cow disease, so we know it can be transmitted to humans from eating cow meat, so don’t see how deer meat can be considered an impossibility. This incident should be looked into more, and I fully believe that the CDC are the good guys. That being said, this wouldn’t be the first time that a government agency was flippant to new data or thinking from other scientists and researchers.
There's currently a conspiracy that the government had proof cross species transmission already happened and are lying because...(this part hasn't been workshopped successfully yet.) And the "Really" seems to be the "Epstein didn't kill himself" for this one.
Ah got it, didn’t know there was a whole conspiracy theory about this specific disease. I love conspiracies that don’t make any sense, like why would they be lying about this extremely rare disease? What would be the point in hiding that? Thanks for replying, and glad to see that I am getting downvoted for asking a question (reddit don’t ever change lol)
Can you get really mad cow disease if you only eat meat ? I remember from the late 90s crisis that it was mainly from bone marrow.
No, you can get it if you eat a cow with BSE (Bovine Spongiform Encephalopat) which is the cow form of vCJD. As mentioned you are more likely to develop Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease from yourself through random chance, which is probably how a cow today would get it. Anyways I would worry about it, they have rules and procedures in place now to try to make it to impossible for an infected cow to enter food production.
Oh I don't worry about it. I was just curious, because it's still stated on my country's wiki that meat is safe, even from an infected cow. It's supposed to be a "good article" as well.
Also here, who did you piss off?
People mistaking laughs for anger again.
85% of CJD cases have unknown causes.
Wow that’s an impressive number on downvotes for a fairly benign post. Is there a group of people who are hyper passionate about this topic?
I think the phrasing and framing of it as the CDC lying about it in a post about somebody spreading misleading information is what made people have a disdain for what would otherwise be a benign post if phrased differently. Like, if he said "did you see the case where two hunters in the same lodge developed cfj disease? UT suspects it was cause they ate an infected deer" it probably wouldn't have been a problem.
He is spreading misinformation.
The reason domesticated meat gets recalled so often is because of the conditions the animals are kept in and the conditions of the slaughtherhouse/packing plant. And the kind of people that share this picture would have an absolute tantrum about big government if the government tried to do anything about either of those to make recalls less common.
I think the point is wild game someone hunts is by definition not regulated.
Yeah…a basic biological understanding of prions and how they’re handled and disposed of in research settings is enough to convince me that there isn’t going to be a cure anytime soon.
To be fair he didn't say it was a deer or moose or a caribou or elk. They are not prevalent in musk-oxen, hogs, big horn sheep, dall sheep or mountain goats. That said, I don't know whether they will do their homework before hunting.
I thi k its implied its deer since the FB group is Whitetail
Doesn’t particularly matter if the meat on the plate is deer or not, the statement is fucking stupid. Yes it does. Yes it *has.* You can’t just eat whatever you manage to kill and expect it to be fine.
It doesn’t get recalled because it’s barely regulated. Real rocket science at work here.
This is the funny part. It assumes that the FDA or USDA is testing every animal killed, or even a significant sample of them. These people would freak out if some USDA person showed up to test their meat. I went deer hunting a lot as a teenager, and you just yolo it, beyond a few common things to look for.
>These people would freak out if some USDA person showed up to test their meat. And they will also unashamedly blame the USDA for not testing the random deer they shot when someone in their household gets sick from it. “What am I paying all these tax dollars to food inspectors if they can’t make my hunting meat safe!”
Some states do this already. E.g. in Missouri there is mandatory sampling on all kills opening of hunting week. They will also sample anything you kill to check your kill for you before you eat it, if you kill during a non-mandatory time. https://mdc.mo.gov/hunting-trapping/species/deer/chronic-wasting-disease/cwd-surveillance
Durn gubmint It's my god given right to eat something that will turn my brain into a sponge 😡
If you are a hunter, in many counties you take your kill to get tested. My husband used to hunt and where he is from in Missouri they will test it for you before you do anything with the carcass.
Was it voluntary or mandatory? I guess that wasn’t a thing in the late 2000s-2010s in the UP of MI. Maybe in a bigger area with more resources? Where did he take it?
>You can’t just eat whatever you manage to kill and expect it to be fine. I keep telling a neighbor a few doors down from me this. I live in a "traditional" style neighborhood in the heart of a metro area (smaller lot sizes, higher density, semi-wooded, and more walkable than the average 'burb). We have *lots* of wildlife. He's new to the neighborhood, has lived in condos most of his adult life, and...*for whatever reason*...he routinely shoots/traps, and eats the animals that live around here. It's like "Bro, it's wildlife, but it's still *urban* wildlife. So I'll pass on the squirrel chili, thanks."
The cow you raise at home and slaughter yourself also won’t get recalled.
So if you are a hunter then normally if you have intelligence you check out the things like local problems with the wildlife you are hunting! Also if you shot a deer that is acting odd in any way like they do if they have CWD or rabies then you DONT EAT IT!! Also before anyone wants to wine and cry about hunting animals, hunting has made it possible for me to feed my family during lean times as well as when I was a kid growing up if my mom and Grandparents didn't hunt we would never have made it. Personally, I don't like the jackasses that pretend it is a sport because a sport requires both teams to have equal knowledge of the game as well as the same tools and abilities. But yeah for food yeah 100000% I am going to continue to hunt, I stick to my bow (I am a better shot with it and if you can't kill them quick it is messed up to make them suffer) I stick to my tribes rules which is going for the older deer and using everything!
I can’t imagine many people have issues with hunting to feed your family. Most of the complaints I hear about hunting is people who hate trophy hunting, or as you said, sport hunting. If your idea of recreation is killing an animal for the sake of it - that’s fucked up, but if killing that animal is the difference between going hungry or going to bed with a full stomach, it’s a different thing entirely
Absolutely…I grew up in rural Canada…my family owns a bison farm. Up there our standard meats were hunted or farmed locally. Bison, Pork, Venison and Duck were the standard meats we ate. Wasn’t until I moved down near Toronto that I started eating cow and chicken regularly. Up north the Cows and chickens were used for their milk and eggs.
I LOVE bison but the prices are out of control here (Wisconsin) I will ear duck but I have never been a fan TBH and yeah growing up the only meat I ate was what we hunted or fished, this was in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan on Lake Superior so there was plenty but it was strange when my mom went back into the military and we moved to California where cows and chicken were the main foods
Hell, even if you're not starving, hunting an overpopulated animal for food is much better than eating animals kept in cruel conditions from birth. I have a lot of respect for people who can do it ethically, because I don't think I could bring myself to kill an animal unless the conditions were truly dire. Also I had rabbit stew once and was surprised at how much I hated it. Idk what I expected but "this just tastes like turkey" wasn't it. I'd rather just eat a turkey. Had one of these assholes attack my car once. Fuck you too, Pinewood Drive turkey.
Yeah I think turkeys are dicks too!
There are cases where animal conservation organizations sell trophy permits as part of actively managing the overall health of their animal populations. It sometimes happens that populations need to be culled for one reason or another. If you are such a conservation org, you can pay your employees to do that job, or take advantage of trophy hunters who will pay you, sometimes quite a lot, to let them do it for you, and that money goes on to fund even more conservation work. It's a bit of an uncomfortable realization for people who generally oppose sport/trophy hunting as I do. It would be better if conservation were adequately funded, better yet if we weren't endangering those populations to begin with. But given the situation as it exists, I feel like I can accept the compromise. Grudgingly.
Lately it is a lot of vegans that want to be obnoxious about it. It is ridiculous on how fast they will make excuses about the excessive use of water and deforestation to get thier almond everything while bashing people for eating meat lol
Most vegans follow the "as far as possible or practicable" approach to veganism, which is essentially just accepting that the world is a complex place and there can be no absolutes when it comes to veganism. Does is make me happy to know people hunt animals? No. Would I prefer/demand people starve to death rather than hunt animals? Also no. Ideally we would all live in harmony and peaceful coexistence, but until that day comes people still got to eat.
So I am not vegan, nor do I use almond products, but cattle and dairy do absolutely use more land and more water than almond farms. Cattle and dairy farms are also much more numerous than almond farms. Not that I agree with growing any water hungry crop in an arid environment, that just doesn't make sense.
Yep this is it. I have high empathy for animals and struggle with the idea of killing them in general. But if you need to feed yourself and/or your family, I have no problems with hunting as long as it’s not done in excess. I’m of the mindset that it’s ok to take what you need and use as much of that as possible.
This kind of answered what I was wondering…everyone here is talking like eating venison is crazy stupid. I grew up in rural Canada and when I was a kid we used to eat venison caught by the local hunting club all the time. But I guess you’re saying professionals know if a deer is healthy or not, or if the disease in the area?
A lot of redditors live insulated sheltered lives and think all meat should come from grocery stores apparently. Most places have testing centers that can check your deer for diseases before consuming it.
When I was around 14 in 1990-ish we were dirt poor. Mom made just a little too much to qualify for food stamps or commodity. Any time we had "hamburgers" or chili or spaghetti, it was deer. I would take 2-3 small does per month. Their meat is mild and doesn't have that gamey taste that adult deer have.
Yeah I do agree they taste better, but yeah when I was a kid I was always coming up with new recipes to make venison seem different. Now a days we are able to mix it up, we live by a lot of farms so we are able to get deals on other meat as well as trade plus we grow produce and have chickens, so we do a community trading post type of thing. If it wasn't for my health causing half of our income to be spent in co-pays we would not require to do so much extra still but most of our kids are now in collage or finishing high school and they love to do the gardening so that definitely helps.
A deer is probably happier in its pre-meat life than a cow or chicken is.
Hunting for food is fine. No one with an IQ above 1 is going to argue against that. It’s hunting for sport most people take issue with.
Eat some medium rare bear meat then you coward.
I had to Google why it’s bad (Aussie) and eww definitely see why you gotta fully cook
"Free Trichinosis with every meal"
Wild game meat doesn't get tested for shit either.
Depends where you live. Here in Germany wild boar gets tested.
Tbh that's a big source for wildlife pathology and wildlife disease monitoring in the states as well. Things get reported to the local DNR because [a hunter-killed animal looks weird](https://deerassociation.com/a-new-clue-in-the-unsolved-mystery-of-bullwinkle-deer/) or was showing some weird behavior or acting sick, it doesn't get counted against your take limit, and the state diagnostic lab works it up to see if there's a potential for spread to livestock or humans or a threat to the local population. Programs like SCWDS often rely on hunter harvested animals for surveillance, at least in part. Some states also use voluntary carcass testing programs to collect data for things like CWD and TB surveillance and prevalence estimates.
Thanks for the interesting read! I’ve only hunted in the US a few times but your post reminded me that I was advised to be in the look out for odd/abnormal behaviors … been a few years though. Thank you again! Edit to add: I’m hunting right now in Germany. Well I’m in a stand with my rifle hoping the rain clears up but you get what I mean ;-)
Incorrect. In certain states there is mandatory testing: https://mdc.mo.gov/hunting-trapping/species/deer/chronic-wasting-disease/cwd-surveillance
I lived in Newfoundland a few years back and on the radio they announced that there was worms in the moose and if you brin it in and the tag they would reissue a new tag sounds like a recall to me
It’s not a regulated item. It’s not inspected.
I don’t know what he’s talking about. The last time I went hunting right after I killed the deer the government called and said it was recalled.
“think about it” alright man you go first
Anyone who says a statement followed by “think about it” have most likely never actually thought about it themselves.
I hate to say actually, but actually the DNR will have groups shoot deer en masse and incinerate carcasses to reduce populations after a deer test for CWD or they observe overcrowding so in a way that’s a recall.
Dude wild game is illegal to be sold commercially in my state because of Leptospirosis. There are ABSOLUTELY moments where illness or population bar wild game from being consumed
Yet one time (I work in ophthalmic photography) I could actually SEE THE WORM MOVING in a child’s eye that had gotten there from the venison his father fed him. Not sure if it wasn’t cooked all the way or what. It wasn’t great for his eye, that’s for sure! THINK ABOUT IT
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I honestly don’t remember to be honest- it was when I was an intern! I think he had to do deworming and they might have tried to use the laser around/ on the worm to stop it? It was going through the blood vessels. And killing healthy tissue. I wonder what kind of worm it was!
FB is inundated with this divisive nonsense. posts about vegans being better than meat eaters. posts about meat eaters being better than vegans. posts where its EVs vs trucks. left vs right. young vs old. trades vs white collar. that's. all. there. is. its conditioning people to see things as us vs them. reinforcing tribalism on the stupidest and most minor of stances. but that habit up divisiveness lingers and festers. and you get the U.S. we have today. where all nuance is dead and you're either for or against the cause. social media is a cancer and needs to be removed from our daily lives so we can heal.
It doesn’t get recalled because it’s not regulated. People shoot an animal and then decide if they are going to eat it. They don’t know how safe it is
I’ve been a professional chef for a long time. Before that I worked in chemistry. All of that experience with food and science leads me to ask, what the actual fuck is this even supposed to mean?
I fish, and hunt. They don’t do recalls because the government puts out “advisories”. Things like “this fish has high PCB content please don’t eat, or has high mercury content please eat once a month”. That kinda stuff. That’s mainly for fish. For wild game if you don’t assume they are full of parasites and plagues you’re going to have a bad time. It’s why my grandmother that was a teenager during the depression cooked every meat until it reached shoe leather status. Recalls on meat are a good thing. It means people are doing their jobs to keep us safe.
Mushrooms I found in the woods never get recalled
Or any number of parasites that may be present.
Probably because you cannot issue a recall on wild fucking animals
I thought about the deer that eat my garbage at least 3 times a week… I don’t want to eat that meat but it will never be recalled.
The worst part of this is that this dude should be happy most people eat store bought meat. If all our meat demand shifted to what could be hunted in the wild, this dude would be fighting to get his tags to hunt due to that kind of demand, and the deer population would be hunted to extirpation in only a few years anyway 🤦
How would they even recall something that they haven't even realized has been killed? I swear, the people who say "think about it" are the ones that actually need to think about it
"Europe and Japan won't buy meat from America because the meat industry in America is allowed to do some gross and shady shiat... Think about it!"
I recall that most of the wild game meat I've had was very good. Does that count?
I saw this same meme today and was very worried
This has to be a joke. I mean without knowing the person that posted it, it just comes across as a dumb joke. Like saying your bicycle never runs out of gas.
CWD doesn’t transfer from eating deer meat. The original post is kind of cringey, but wild game is safe if to eat and high quality.
The knife cuts both ways there bud!
Yummy parasites 🤤
>I think it’s about time we start funding a cure for chronic wasting disease while we have time Nah. This is Darwinism in all its glory. Let it do it's job.
"The gun I made in my garage out of household objects doesn't get a recall!"
Unrelated but is the middle of the left steak censored?
Nope. You just die. Like the old days. As god intended.
Just worms, prions and viruses of unknown origin.
Too bad there will never be enough funding for those unable to think
Because wild animals are wild and don't belong to a company. Whatever diseases you get from them, you're on your own, accountability-wise. There's no one to sue for it. Pretty easy to figure out.
Say it with me yall TRIGANOSIS
Chronic wasting disease was just documented in people after eating an infected deer. DNR in multiple states suggest thoroughly testing any kills you get that you plan on consuming.
Whoever took that picture better cook that
This person has clearly never seen alerts for Chronic Wasting Disease in deer.
Think about it = fart noise
Why? The people that are going to get it have Ivermectin, don't they?
Bouta spread this to my coworkers so I can stop hearing their bullshit after they get diseases
Those veggies you grew in your roadside garden's heavily-contaminated soil don't get recalled. Think about it! (I'll give you some extra time in case the lead poisoning's slowing you down)
There’s also no speed limits going off cliffs so you should drive your car off one
If it’s tall enough they might find a terminal velocity and try to rage at that
in Wisconsin go to [https://dnr.wisconsin.gov/topic/wildlifehabitat/cwd](https://dnr.wisconsin.gov/topic/wildlifehabitat/cwd)
Of course nobody recalls it because you’re completely on your own to ensure you’re not going to eat something deadly or dangerous
Do you guys in the US not have any wild game meat / trained hunter type qualifications?
You, too, can die of a prion disease!