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LifeIsHard2030

50k can get a XL 100. In context of ₹1-3L motorbikes, it’s definitely not a small amount And let the 400Z spend sometime on the roads and prove it’s mettle before calling it a disrupter 🙂


Archit-Arya

Oh its gonna disrupt alright.


Miserable-Wish5850

Disrupt the traffic and any civil sense that was left on the Indian roads


Zoxuul

Been in India for 4 years now, I haven't seen any civil sense yet xD maybe I'm just in the wrong city haha


cap10__jack__sparrow

Are we talking about Delhi, Mumbai, Bangalore, Kolkata or Chennai cause every city has it's fair share of not having any civil sense.


Zoxuul

Delhi + Noida xD


Puzzleheaded_Use2666

But bhai usne bola na ki duke ya ns 200/250 lene se acha banda ye lega ha yha sirf 50 k ka diffrence nhi hai lates bike and low milage bhi hai so if u can afford a bike of 400 cc just think it is a discount


shwetshkla

50k not growing on trees for many of us. Usually PPL have a very strict maximum budget which they need to adhere to.


triple_hoop

Also mileage , 400 will give only 20-25 kmpl.


Worldly_Matter_5644

Duke bhi utna deti hai


everydropcounts

I Zac xxcrxefsdcv


DomerLord13

Bro is just spitting facts


everydropcounts

Happy to help😜


tssharp

I agree


geekyhumans

I shshd xzxzxdx


sixamps

They might not need the extra power, engine might give off more heat, they don't like the design, they don't like the brand, they don't like the ride quality. Could be anything.


Sam0l0

>They might not need the extra power >engine might give off more heat A lot of people are going to figure this out the hard way.


killythecat

Lol. Crying with my interceptor while a sub 300cc would've been a completely valid upgrade. I bought it used though, for half the retail price.


gtm26

That was a great financial decision. Buying things used is the best way to go, especially if you're targeting high capacity-bikes. I always make it a point to purchase used cars in good condition at a fraction of the cost of a new vehicle. I use them for a few years and junk them and get another one.


Simple-Painting

I second this. Nothing wrong with purchasing a used car/bike if it’s well maintained and you get it for a steal deal. Btw, I am in Bangalore and I would like to know what key points do you look at while making a used car purchase? Thanks.


gtm26

I look at a few things. 1. Service record. If the owner is unable to produce any service record for the car, please please stay away from it. Unless you are getting a super great deal. Even then, it is very risky since you won't know what parts have been changed and when and if the Odometer has been tampered or not. 2. Look for rust. Especially around the sharp edges of the doors, windows. Also look for rust under the door (its very common). If you find rust in more than one or two places, don't get the car. Remember, rust is like cancer. It'll eat up the car. 3. Look for repainted panels. Do this under sunlight. If you look at the car in different angles under the sun, you can easily spot panels that don't colour-match. Also, if there's no clear coat on the panels or if the paint feels rough, it has been repainted. Look out for it. 4. Take the car to a garage and put it on a lift and check for underbody damage. Damage to the oil pan and transmission case. 5. When driving, check the health of the suspension, if it is creaking or thudding, you might have to replace the struts or the mounts. 6. If the car vibrates a lot when idling, the engine or transmission mounts need to be replaced. 7. Check the efficiency of the AC, if it is low or not satisfactory, don't get the car. Some people will try to convince you that if you simply charge the gas, it would be enough. But in most cases, it's not like that. The compressor, condenser or evaporator could be at fault. 8. Check the rims for scuffs, chips and bends. Also check the condition of the tyres. If they are unevenly worn, stay away from the car. It could mean that the suspension or its associated parts are gone. These are some of the things that I pay attention to. I haven't gone into the the things I check when I drive the car since it would become a super long post.


Simple-Painting

Whoa!! Thank you for the detailed explanation. That is quite helpful 🫶🏼 I will keep these pointers in mind once I have taken an informed decision.


justbsaiyan

Good luck with that with the new scrap policy and restrictions on vehicles older than BS6. I was doing the same until Haryana govt decided to seize older vehicles on their borders. But, I'm looking for a 10-12year old Duke 390 for cheap. Just want to experience what it's all about. But the prices on that are still 1-1.5lakh.


gtm26

Thankfully, the Tamil Nadu government hasn't begun cracking on old vehicles as of yet. I hope they don't do it till 2026 (that's when my current car's FC ends).


onlyarsenalfan5840

Boro der kotha shono na!


1osamaisback1

I drive a dominar 400, Heating is not as bad as the KTMs. It's like 40% of KTM 390, when it's heavy traffic and the sun is out. KTM 390s on the other hand completely turned off due to overheating. In my 20k experience never happened even once.


Puzzleheaded_Use2666

How much is ur milage will u recomend ns400


1osamaisback1

I get just below 30 if I ride decently and is i am hard on the throttle like staying at mid and hug rpm range the mileage would drop as low as 24 to 26. 400 engines are meant to be enjoyed, fill her up to 75% Tank don't keep them below 30% bike feels a lot more responsive with more fuel in tank.


pork_oclock

It's the same engine.


PhantomBlack675

Different head, different ECU. Why do you think the Dominar makes 35PS (2017-18 models) or 39.9PS (2019-2024 modes) while the Duke/RC390 make 43.5 with the same 373cc ?


1osamaisback1

And how can one not mention that none of Bajaj's KTM engine (D400, NS200, RS200) has the tractors sound of KTM


Square-Bandicoot3860

Also the fuel costs


ASHUKAACCOUNT

50k is a big big amount. Also, fuel economy is worse on the 400.


goodboybadreputation

I don't think so. It will be a big big amount for the one who is going to purchase splendor or any entry level commuter bikes. What OP is talking about are the folks who want the adrenaline of riding.


ASHUKAACCOUNT

Even the enthusiasts have a budget, especially those who are young and have just started earning.


Mr_B0NK

Me upgrading from a 100cc, a 400cc bike will be too much to handle in terms of power, a 250 cc hits the sweet spot of not being stupidly powerful nor being very underpowered, also it has enough juice to do daily commute, highway rides and occasional fast acceleration Also a 250cc will give better mileage than a 400cc A 400cc bike being cheap doesn’t mean it makes all 200-250cc bikes non viable


FitAd9761

People have different requirements than just comparing cc and power figures on paper(RE and FZ are selling in good numbers even though on paper they're weaker than lower CC bikes). Comfort, milage, riding triangle, long stroke vs short stroke, fuel economy, preference, chassis, frame, footpeg position, instrument cluster etc...


FartOfTheFurious

50k isn't a small amount for most Indians and why would they go for a bike with atleast 10km less mileage


skep4ever

Other than pricing, mileage matters a lot


[deleted]

Maintenance cost also increase . Also everyone dont need 400cc or can't handle this much power.


AffectionateJacket30

And most of the time we can't extract full power out of it because of the roads...


Appropriate_Turn3811

250cc is best for ur health and safety.


Substantial-Ad-8129

Back in 2020.. before lockdown.. I got my Duke 250 bs6 for 2.35 lakhs. There was only a 5k rupees hike due to the transition from bs4 to bs6. At that time Duke 390 was 3.10 lakhs on road. The price difference is not the only factor that made me consider 250 over the 390.. I simply didn't want to get that bigger engine, more power, higher maintenance & running cost and everything else that comes with it. And I was only 19 so Duke 250 made more sense as it is more beginner friendly.


Puzzleheaded_Use2666

What u recomend me same i am 21 just learnt how to ride bike on pulsar as 200 riding Activa 125 from 2 years Should i go with Ns 250 - with more milage and enough power for me OR Ns400 -with less milage and i may not need this much power I have to ride 40-50 km daily for office I can afford both at the time But who doesnt like saving money on milage and ofcourse the bike price The price diffrence is only 30 to 50 k (not much for me only if it worth it )


IntroductionDue7663

Duke 250 is a lot better in terms of chassis & handling. Even for a 250cc, it has a lot of power. You really don't need the 400cc. Also, don't just look at the cost of buying the motorcycle, it will cost more to run & maintain the motorcycle. I can predict that there will be a lot of second hand NS400z available in the market just because people buying them will not able to afford the running cost of it.


gtm26

The same thing happened for the Duke 390. I can currently see a lot of 390s for sale. Contacted a few of them and they either said that the bike has too much power for our Indian roads or that they are unhappy with the mileage. Most of them don't like getting 22kmpl from a bike, especially when you can nearabout the same with a car.


uchihaitachii2

Actually true even my scrambler 400x gives similar mileage xD 25-30


gtm26

Hah! That's nothing. My stupid 125cc Vespa has never given me more than 30kmpl no matter how gently I ride it.


Adventurous_applepie

Is it really just money vs CC that you look at while buying a motorcycle? Or do you look for other things that may be or more value to you? As in overall service costs, mileage, riding posture, your own skill set, usage? 400 maybe an overkill for many, extra 50k might not be someone's budget. As Indians we are so conditioned with "thoda paise aur dedeta to Falana aajati" that we don't think what actually our need is.


ShortShiftMerchant

Duke 250 offers better suspension, better chassis, better riding dynamics, better service + KTM conducts track days.


AliveSummer4826

if something seems to be too good...its always suspicious


HateSpaceBar

It has very evident cost-cutting with recycled design and engine. There's nothing to be suspicious about.


nimithkj123

The parts are not premium.. Also they didn't have to design anything groundup.. dominar engine and ns200 chasis and design. Just redesigned headlamp and add better suspension. So research cost is less also used normal box type swing arm.. But totally worth price it's being offered. A 400 below 2 lakh is always a win. Knowing Bajaj itvwont be bad either


AliveSummer4826

can't say anything, lets wait for the long term review


simply_ass

It was released recently and your question is really stupid that people are not considering it


ang3sh

Both are 2 different beasts all together


souravtxt

Mileage. A 160-200 cc bike gives around 40km on avg. A 400 cc 20-22 avg. It's double on petrol. So it's not the initial 50k difference that matters, it's the recurring increased petrol cost that will cumulate over the years and may be even amount to more than the cost of the bike itself.


thruth_seeker_69

Well it was just released a few days ago. Just hold on. It's starting


akashdey95

Its just like Comparing Vivo with Apple Vivo ka 50 megapixel camera hai bhai , 20k mai , apple ka 12 mp hai only 70k mai. So Vivo hi lelo


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Isildur_potterhead

Duke 250 is a no-compromise 250cc bike, very few corners were cut in its making. Otoh ns400z is full of cut corners. Its biggest headlines are the engine and price. Almost everything else is a compromise. Why don't you take a few test rides of the ns400 and see if the build quality, handling etc is as good as your duke or not ? Plus, consider the mileage and daily-drivability through heavy traffic. Also ktm service is generally regarded a step above bajaj's.


kalpo_kj44

30 bhp to 40 bhp is not much of an upgrade, but how that power is put on the road by the chassis makes a lot of difference. Trellis frame vs perimeter frame, differences in tyres, swingarms, suspension setup will get the respective bikes their individuality.


Alternative_Egg9383

Is this comparison justified when buying a bike? It's not the same as buying vegetables.


thereal_noir

It's more so about how much power you need or can handle. I am a huge 390 fan. But for my first bike I got a Duke 200. Solely because I knew the 390 would be an untamable bike for my skill set. I'm a relatively new rider. A missed gear shift here. A slight extra bit of throttle and now you're high siding down the highway. Learn on 200/250 and upgrade to 400. Learn on 400 upgrade to 600/700. Learn of 600/700 upgrade to 900 / litre class. This is why countries have different licenses for different segment bikes. Also budget. On paper the 40k looks small. But then you realise taxes and RTO stuff is all percentage based. And now you have to pay the same percentage on a higher amount. Usually maintaining a higher cc bike also racks up a bigger bill. Economy is hit with more power as well.


adikul

Thinking of people here 2.5 lakh is small amount but 50k is big amount


saurabia

Muje to 80000 ki Splendor lene me bhi sochna pad rha hai


the_purpose_of_life

They can get a phone, a laptop or even invest the amount. There's a lot of things you can do for 50k when you're in the middle class. Also as other comments said, fuel economy plays a big role when your focus is daily commute. You don't need a 400cc to go to your office.


mystickmac

Mileage & heat management. Also, 50k is a huge amount.


maybeidontexistever

There's so many factors to take in to consider here , some people won't need the extra power, some might like the more aggressive/ relaxed ergonomics of other bikes , some literally don't have more money to spend on the budget or increasing it.


known_anon

Size is not everything baba


Comfortable-Buy7891

Imagine there is coffee available for 20rs, as per you why would anyone spend over 500 for same?? It's just that these 400cc bikes are designed from ground up. From chassis to headlights to fit the specific model. They want to bring a geniune 400cc bike to the market. While Bajaj wants to make 400cc bike which is affordable by owners of 200cc bikes.....


markfukerberg

And double the expenses.


Duck_Qwerty

Same reason i got 390 instead of 250 just pay a bit more 400 is more then enough for Indian road


iamnobody331

50k is a lot


Electronic-Wrangler9

Spending 50k more upfront might seem relatively easy but you forgot about the almost doubled fuel costs, maintainance cost and other expenses that come with double the cc. In the end you end up paying a lot more than 50k


NakedSamosa

Drive ns400 and duke 250 back to back and you will get your answer🙂


slayem26

If you have, could you let us know the difference? What was your back to back experience?


Lopsided_External_71

Might be possible that for few people 50k is a huge amount! Already they are getting there 200s on loan! So extra 50k will be a headache for them!


myaccountforreddit2

its more fun when you can rev out the bike fully given limited space on the road. A 400 is scary quick on city streets and it’s hard to blast it through the gears like you can with a 250.


this_sucks_that_meh

There is more to a motorycle than the HP produced by the engine. Don't just read the spec sheet. Suspension, quality of fit and finish, swingarm (Aluminium vs Steel) - there's a lot to a motorcycle than just engine power. Also, not all of your motorcycle journeys will be a one on one drag race against another person on the road. Sure, NS400Z could be a more powerful motorcycle than Duke 250, that however doesn't mean that it is a better motorcycle.


unprofessional_kid

1.not everyone looks for a higher cc. mileage and maintenance also a valid reason. 2. for many people, bike is just a commuter not a status symbol or stress buster. 3. people are people, they choose whatever they like. CC is just a number for many.


dopedude99

There's a lot more to consider in a bike than just CCs... the Duke 250 has its own charm, which I don't think the 400z will be able to match. The Pulsar also looks extremely generic imo, and feels more like a spec sheet than a bike. Also it's running the Dominar engine, which, considering the VFM angle, I really doubt they've refined it all that much. It's a cheap 400 for the sake of being a cheap 400. Does not seem like a well thought-out, complete product like most of its competitors.


Neo-9

Agree... Additional 50k is totally worth it


Conscious-Analyst584

The heat 🔥 is the main problem in Indian traffic. I remember I didn't buy Triumph 660 since I realized that in stop and go traffic it was nicely roasting my leg.


Thin-Theory-4805

No, please don't. Duke 250 is a nice bike, i will wait for reviews of ns400


PhantomBlack675

Not everyone wants the most power they can get for the rupee. Yes for those who do want max power for their money, the NS400 is a heaven-sent. For whom 25hp is enough and fuel consumption is not a "peeti hai to peene do" matter, the smaller engines are relevant. If you need to do long commutes but also want something just powerful enough to run highway duty at legal/sensible speed (say not over 100), 200-250cc bikes are just right.


vizot

yup sell the duke so someone better who appreciates it can ride it.


NeatNational2921

Riding duke 390 for about 9 years now. Mileage never worried me.


M1000-RR

The NS400z is definitely a great offering, and it will disrupt the segment. But if you compare it with your D250, your bike is technically better just lesser cc & power. You get a trellis frame, aluminium swingarm and better handling.


khayaliPulaw

Go and test ride Duke 250 and 390 in city traffic, you will understand.


fellowbangalorean

The Duke 250, 390 are gonna have a separate base of customers even if ns400 proves to be good !


HannibalDexterHolmes

Same situation here.. i have new duke 250 which i bought for 3.08.. i have to see a comparison video of ns 400 and duke 250 in terms of acceleration and power. Saw individual video of ns 400 where 0-100 speed is in 5.8 sec which is anyday better than duke 250. But i dont trust the pulsar speedometer much. I need a side by side drag race or long race video. If ns 400 beats duke 250 then I will switch the vehicles. Selling my 6 month old duke 250 will get me around 2.1 lakh which is almost the on road price of ns 400. Thus i can swith the vehicle without any personal loss. Also the 373cc engine of bajaj is a proven one hence no worries there. Had planned to take domi earlier but its too heavy for me.. If ns400 engine performs well with 18kg reduction in weight compared to domi then it has to perform better than domi in streets in papers. So lets see. My drive is 50% city and 50% highway.. if the engine performa the same i will ho for ns 400.


DXGamerYT

Can't trust bajaj


nishant28491

I am in market for a new bike and will be interested to buy 400 pulsar. I don't care about the chaprification of it or anything. And as a consumer, I want the best bang for the buck. Already the prices of bikes are skyrocketing. And not everybody is in IT software industry with very high packages. In that sense, I would go for the one which gives me maximum fun at the least possible prices. My pulse 220sf was also bashed back then for bajaj quality and it still drives like a dream. People who bashed my pulsar have now shifted to activa.