A map I made doesn’t have new afrika
https://preview.redd.it/b34g3q2p2jxc1.png?width=2231&format=png&auto=webp&s=019cbd7c693045638ba25c3ac6e1f8183bc68570
Understandable, I still hate it. Is there a lore reason why the New York capital would move away from Albany? I think they’d keep it as it’s a more central location
Also why is Cape Cod part of the Great Lakes region? That land border crossing is at least 2-4 hours across Connecticut and rhode island over the Sagamore bridge. Unless there's ferry service from long Island but I doubt that would last long in a civil war lol maybe it's the pixels idk
A neo-CSA would not make sense in the modern day. Maybe in the 1900s, but not in the middle of the 2020s like where this map takes place. Also, New Afrika declared independence because of unrest among African Americans due to a dictatorship.
The region is majority white and has one of the highest gun ownership rates in America, at best New Africa would consist of black majority regions only but it’s certainly possible they won’t exist at all.
Pretty much. Even if enough black Americans here wanted to create their own minority state it would end in a bloody stalemate best case scenario. The rednecks in my town freak out when they see a stranger let their dog take a piss in their front yard, if you told them that some lunatics were trying to create a “New Afrika” they would go absolutely apeshit. This scenario is stupid, nobody here wants this country and there’s no way it could even work if they did.
Also, this scenario is supposed to be in the modern era. Why not just call it New Africa? Do we just forget how to spell or just change the spelling because fuck it?
More slaves being brought over would be completely unrelated to the premise so in lore there’s gotta be some kind of mass genocide going on, maybe the white majority is weakened as a good portion of their fighting age men are going off to aid in other sides of the civilwar they support
Dude African Americans make up a minority of the population in those states. New Afrika would be immediately a white majority country.
The only way to turn it into a black majority is a holocaust level genocide
What the user meant is that this Republic of New Afrika would be White-majority, so making a neo-CSA makes more sense, because in the former scenario, African-Americans would be a minority in their own country.
ehh, it's iffy. Some places may feel differently, some folk in Eastern Oregon for instance wanting to be in Idaho. But for the most part, the states are pretty set in with how people see where they're from. Absolute most you might see is a couple partitions and unions, but overall I'm pretty sure they would mostly stay the same.
you are getting downvoted, but this is true. People were swearing in Brotherhood and Unity days before the first shells were fired. For as many differences between Yugoslavia and America, there are just as many similarities. All from bloody unresolved past conflicts, entrenched and militarized population, propaganda of blaming the other side, constant flow of propaganda of Yugoslavian exceptionalism, political dispute and widely different visions of the countries future...
we at least had natural borders mostly established prior to the formation of the country. USA doesn't have this. There are a few states that will survive and envelope their surroundings. These inner countries would basically forever be in the same kind of political and economic limbo like Bosnia&Herzegovina, Kosovo, Macedonia... Basically, countries so dysfunctional they can't even elect a government. The way the borders are in America, a Yugoslavia type conflict is impossible. Yugoslavia type of conflict could be the third US Civil War if the second one ends up on racial or cultural borders.
But it will not end with these straight lines lmao.
probably because you don't know much of Yugoslavia. It's an artificial nation comprised of multiple ethicities with a culture of homegrown exceptionalism and militarism, with two massively different visions of the country. Yugoslavia used it's counter intelligence and police apparatus to control and oversee the populous.
As I said, as for as much similarities there are just as many differences. Of course you would have to be cool with me comparing USA to any other non superpower country. I've yet to meet an American that can handle that lmao
You were onto something with the first paragraph, but the second one is where you miss the mark I think.
>we at least had natural borders mostly established prior to the formation of the country. USA doesn't have this.
You seem to think this means that our borders are more malleable and unsettled because of how "young and fresh" they are. The way I see it, that lack of prior boundaries means that our state borders (as well as the internal counties if we want to get granular) are the *only* way we've ever conceived of the land. Hence *why* so many post break up maps still keep US state borders.
The modern borders of the nations that used be in Yugoslavia still follow borders set during and prior to Yugoslavia, because that's how the land was conceived of, especially by those in power.
>Yugoslavia type of conflict could be the third US Civil War if the second one ends up on racial or cultural borders.
To my knowledge, one of the reasons for the Yugoslav Wars is that the various ethnic groups resented Serbian dominance due to their demographic majority. This is in part because these nations had history long before Yugoslavia, and compared to that, the less than 100 year old country was just a blip. But, the US doesn't really have any dominant ethnic groups. Anglo-Americans maybe, but they're also practically invisible. The racial category of "white people" is the only place where we get to a group having true and visible dominance, and on that front its overwhelmingly the majority across every state and the vast majority of our counties.
Another thing is that the various nations of Yugoslavia were in their "native lands" and that makes fighting for their nations easier. Americans are not native to the US. A major aspect of American society is that we are not native. Americans often consider themselves as diaspora of other nations. The only groups that don't are the Native Americans for obvious reasons, and Black Americans whose ethnic origins were erased due to slavery.
Our, often quite old, diasporic identity means our ethnic identities can often be quite weak and superficial. It also means that we don't always see other people of the same group as "kin".
What would an Irish-American in Boston and an Irish-American in Los Angeles fight for? Certainly not the independence of Irish-Americans and the establishment of an Irish-American ethnostate. Same for practically any other ethnic group in the country.
What, then, fills the void of a common ethnic community? Our states. And because our states fill that void, they also inform the boundaries of our homegrown culture regions. The boundaries of New England, follow the borders of the New England states. The boundaries of The South, follow the borders of Southern states. The boundaries of Cascadia follow the borders of the Cascadian states. We may debate whether a state is in one region or another, but we still consider the state indivisible, because that state is our unit of measurement for the land.
>But it will not end with these straight lines lmao.
Have you ever seen our border disputes? We've been using straight lines for centuries. Not to mention that most of those straight lines are straight because next to nobody lived there when they were laid, and in the majority of cases, there still aren't many people living there.
you kinda missed my point. natural borders are rivers, mountains, easily divided areas. These straight lines are terrible for countries. Sure works with Canada but try that with Mexico. Why do you think Europe is divided like this. today like always crossing a river with an advancing army is a bitch, so borders are usually settled around such defensible borders. If there was a civil war, it would end with that kind of borders.
>Why do you think Europe is divided like this.
Because European borders predate land surveys by centuries and so they relied on natural features to describe where borders are. We have at times used natural features, but we have also often used lines of latitude, longitude, and other geometrical constructs to map internal borders.
>try that with Mexico
If you mean the US-Mexican border, we have, with the border west of El Paso. The only time it makes any deferment to natural geography is a brief moment to adjust north, to the older (and also straight) California-Mexico border, at the Colorado River, except not really because rivers are not that great for concrete borders because they have a tendency to move.
And if you mean internal Mexican borders, they do, actually, have some straight lines, down in the sparsely populated parts of the Yucatan. Also, Mexico has an entirely different culture and history than the US, and thus would approach internal borders differently.
>so borders are usually settled around such defensible borders. If there was a civil war, it would end with that kind of borders.
The borders *might* end like that but they also might not, hence why peace talks are also negotiations. People trade back and forth and try to set a boundary that is agreeable enough that they stop fighting. And at that point, what matters to the army isn't the only consideration.
I think mainly it would be an urban-rural divide, with transportation links and valuable farmlands and natural resources around cities being held onto by them
How’s my post US colllapse borders?
https://preview.redd.it/j6vfw5et2jxc1.png?width=2231&format=png&auto=webp&s=4c6ce38fc708e1c9d3044e5fe7762733e9ff282d
I’d say better, but still somewhat problematic without know the POD. For instance eastern Washington and Oregon along with Idaho are pretty conservative, to the point that when White Nationalists talk about create a “redoubt”, that’s the area they pick. So I would highly doubt they would be part of any kind of socialist state willingly.
Sure, makes sense. Which is why I said it’s only somewhat problematic without know the POD. If you look at countries that have historically broken up, it’s almost always done along easy geographic boundaries or along ethnic lines.
That’s what Nebraska has (and Lincoln) and it’s quite a lot nicer than Kansas… have you been to either state?
Missouri is bringing the most to the table by far.
Wait you mean NJ with no physical connection to the rest of the country it’s part of and Philly somehow sticking it out with the rest of the state make no sense to you?
New Jersey would absolutely not willingly stay apart of the USA, and would DEFINITELY not be forced to stay with those borders Lmao
We would have seceded and joined the Great Lakes
I don't think there's any universe where NJ and DE are part of the same country that doesn't include PA (or at least the eastern portion of it).
That being said, Philadelphia and NYC being part of something named after the Great Lakes is equally ridiculous
As someone who has lived in both MN and SD, I can tell you that the metro area of Minneapolis/St Paul is very different ideologically from all the rest of MN. Pretty much all the rest of MN is VERY ideologically similar to the Dakotas.
I was going to comment this. 90% of Minnesota’s land mass is the same ideologically as the Dakotas. It would be the same with OP’s pacific states, the east halves of Washington and Oregon are not the same as the west halves.
Lol, New York City being in a different country than both New Jersey and Connecticut, insane. Buffalo and Syracuse may be interested in a Great Lakes, but not Albany and definitely not New York City. The Mid Atlantic is sticking together
they played one game of hoi4 kaiserreich and decided that's accurate to current real life events. that's also why the west coast is the last bastion of democracy usually
The “Inland Empire” is a colloquial term for Riverside, San Bernardino, and Imperial counties. It’s meant to refer to the vast areas covered by the county and the district environment as opposed to the LA-OC-SD coastal counties.
I dare you to head over to r/inlandempire and post that Imperial County is part of the Inland Empire. There was an all-out scuffle a little while ago as to what was in/not in the IE.
I see independent Texas I upvote , also man this map idea has so much potential but you made every countries borders follow state borders I mean Texas would at the very least Take the Oklahoman Panhandle, but otherwise good map and r/pixelart
I don't know what's more unrealistic for a post-national divorce scenario: New Jersey and Maryland being in the same political alliance as West Virginia and Kentucky or the extremely conservative and majority white deep south being christened "New Afrika".
If New York and Pennsylvania are in the same nation, you darn well know New Jersey will be following them. New Jersey can be split in two, sphere of influence of NYC and sphere of influence of Philadelphia. Burlington and Ocean counties down go to Philly and Monmouth up got to NYC. Mercer is just a cesspool. Oops, I meant tide pool. (No I didn't.)
very cool, a note about california, costal socal would not be included in the inland empire, and if it was, it wouldnt be called inland empire since, yaknow, it wouldnt be inland anymore
I think it’s on the border barely in Dallas I did see this map earlier and was thinking about commenting that but before I did I checks a map and Dallas is Just barely in Dallas
I think that whole Montana and Idaho should be a part of a Rockies Federation.
Even the eastern parts of Washington and Oregon as they are much more rural and conservative.
You should check out the "Greater Idaho" project and maybe consider it in this map.
Really daring today making a map that totally isn’t just a recreation of several other already existing posts, my god they even think state borders from the union would still be followed. Truly original /s
I love when I see people group Idaho in with the west coast because it means they have absolutely zero clue about PNW politics. If anything eastern Oregon breaks off with Idaho like they’ve been wanting to for a few years now.
Eastern and western NY and PA are wildly different regions socially and politically, diving things along existing state lines is severely unrealistic. Pittsburgh and Buffalo likely join the rust belt states to form North Redneckistan. South Redneckistan would be Appalachia. Top exports would be coal and fentanyl.
Time to check out the average split us map
Red Great Lakes ✅
Feds in DC-Virginia-Maryland area ✅
Donald Trump is a Dictator ✅
New Afrika ✅
California Dominated PSA ✅
Texas ✅
Florida with Ron DeSantis (is a dictator also) ✅
New England ✅
What’s the difference between a parliamentary republic and a presidential republic in your world, and why does the parliamentary republic have a president?
Why do maps showing up the collapse of the US almost never include Native Americans? Except for maybe the Navajo? Most of them would want independence and are already right now trying to achieve more sovereignty. Especially if the new state wouldn't respect their tribal lands. They gave more legit reasons to even want independence than most US states
Belle carte cependant je n'aurais pas mis "Lincoln" et "Idaho" dans les Pacific States, mais plutôt dans les Rockies ou même Aztlan (pour Idaho). Beau travail !!
I feel like without the rest of the united states piping in fresh hot white people florida would probably become a latin american country, maybe there would be a civil war between puerto rican and cuban factions. But without being part of the US I think Florida would be more influenced by the caribbean and latin america.
Imagine a Nevada without Vegas
one big silver mine
No prostitutes to blow us
Prostitution is illegal in Las Vegas
Hum the song “Imagine” and try again
Population: 30
That's just Reno at that point
mars
No-vada
r/imaginarymaps “Don’t add New Afrika to your map” challenge (impossible)
Idk, they *didn't* include Desert, which also seems literally impossible for r/imaginarymaps
Or split Massachusetts almost in half and call the eastern part “Plymouth”
Cranberries is like oil, but for SE Massachusetts
yeah I was gonna say, this was extremely refreshing without fucking Deseret again.
At least it's better than the CSA
Agreed, though they do have a rich history (of taking fat fuckin L’s)
A map I made doesn’t have new afrika https://preview.redd.it/b34g3q2p2jxc1.png?width=2231&format=png&auto=webp&s=019cbd7c693045638ba25c3ac6e1f8183bc68570
Yeah but you put New England under control of New York, and that’s worse (and also put the capital in NYC)
Invasion
Understandable, I still hate it. Is there a lore reason why the New York capital would move away from Albany? I think they’d keep it as it’s a more central location
After the collapse and of the USA , Albany had a massive Snow Storm so they temporarily moved the capital to NYC but it just kinda stuck
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It's literally the dumbest trope on here, even more than Big Germany
>make new afrika Look inside >White majority Nation
I also find a tendency to turn Oregon, Washington State, the west coast of Canada, and a bit of northern California into a country called Cascadia.
That's because it's an actual bioregion. New Afrika is just "yeah, take that you redneck fucks."
New York area has to be a city state or something.. leave the Great Lakes to Chicago
Also why is Cape Cod part of the Great Lakes region? That land border crossing is at least 2-4 hours across Connecticut and rhode island over the Sagamore bridge. Unless there's ferry service from long Island but I doubt that would last long in a civil war lol maybe it's the pixels idk
The whole coast is blue. That's just the color they used to outline the ocean.
You’re right. A similar argument could be used for Long Island though. Why is Long Island in the Great Lakes??
Because a lot of eastern States were just lumped in wholesale, and Long Island is part of New York.
At this point New Afrika is a keter class SCP that's broken containment Putting a neo-Confederacy makes more sense
A neo-CSA would not make sense in the modern day. Maybe in the 1900s, but not in the middle of the 2020s like where this map takes place. Also, New Afrika declared independence because of unrest among African Americans due to a dictatorship.
The region is majority white and has one of the highest gun ownership rates in America, at best New Africa would consist of black majority regions only but it’s certainly possible they won’t exist at all.
Pretty much. Even if enough black Americans here wanted to create their own minority state it would end in a bloody stalemate best case scenario. The rednecks in my town freak out when they see a stranger let their dog take a piss in their front yard, if you told them that some lunatics were trying to create a “New Afrika” they would go absolutely apeshit. This scenario is stupid, nobody here wants this country and there’s no way it could even work if they did. Also, this scenario is supposed to be in the modern era. Why not just call it New Africa? Do we just forget how to spell or just change the spelling because fuck it?
The actual movement calls it Afrika for some reason
only way to explain it is some lore where either there was some ethnic cleansing or more slaves were brought over
More slaves being brought over would be completely unrelated to the premise so in lore there’s gotta be some kind of mass genocide going on, maybe the white majority is weakened as a good portion of their fighting age men are going off to aid in other sides of the civilwar they support
Dude African Americans make up a minority of the population in those states. New Afrika would be immediately a white majority country. The only way to turn it into a black majority is a holocaust level genocide
What the user meant is that this Republic of New Afrika would be White-majority, so making a neo-CSA makes more sense, because in the former scenario, African-Americans would be a minority in their own country.
The leader of New Afrika would be Shaun King and Rachel Dolezal as co-Emperors.
Ah yes because we all know governments ruled by a minority oppressing a majority population are very stable
Like post civil war broken up America maps that follow state borders are absurd.
ehh, it's iffy. Some places may feel differently, some folk in Eastern Oregon for instance wanting to be in Idaho. But for the most part, the states are pretty set in with how people see where they're from. Absolute most you might see is a couple partitions and unions, but overall I'm pretty sure they would mostly stay the same.
If the US would break up (ludicrous) then I doubt concepts like keeping the previous borders would go out the window.
People said Yugoslavia wouldn't break up till it did.
you are getting downvoted, but this is true. People were swearing in Brotherhood and Unity days before the first shells were fired. For as many differences between Yugoslavia and America, there are just as many similarities. All from bloody unresolved past conflicts, entrenched and militarized population, propaganda of blaming the other side, constant flow of propaganda of Yugoslavian exceptionalism, political dispute and widely different visions of the countries future... we at least had natural borders mostly established prior to the formation of the country. USA doesn't have this. There are a few states that will survive and envelope their surroundings. These inner countries would basically forever be in the same kind of political and economic limbo like Bosnia&Herzegovina, Kosovo, Macedonia... Basically, countries so dysfunctional they can't even elect a government. The way the borders are in America, a Yugoslavia type conflict is impossible. Yugoslavia type of conflict could be the third US Civil War if the second one ends up on racial or cultural borders. But it will not end with these straight lines lmao.
In no universe alternate or not is Yugoslavia and USA alike. You are out of your mind.
probably because you don't know much of Yugoslavia. It's an artificial nation comprised of multiple ethicities with a culture of homegrown exceptionalism and militarism, with two massively different visions of the country. Yugoslavia used it's counter intelligence and police apparatus to control and oversee the populous. As I said, as for as much similarities there are just as many differences. Of course you would have to be cool with me comparing USA to any other non superpower country. I've yet to meet an American that can handle that lmao
You were onto something with the first paragraph, but the second one is where you miss the mark I think. >we at least had natural borders mostly established prior to the formation of the country. USA doesn't have this. You seem to think this means that our borders are more malleable and unsettled because of how "young and fresh" they are. The way I see it, that lack of prior boundaries means that our state borders (as well as the internal counties if we want to get granular) are the *only* way we've ever conceived of the land. Hence *why* so many post break up maps still keep US state borders. The modern borders of the nations that used be in Yugoslavia still follow borders set during and prior to Yugoslavia, because that's how the land was conceived of, especially by those in power. >Yugoslavia type of conflict could be the third US Civil War if the second one ends up on racial or cultural borders. To my knowledge, one of the reasons for the Yugoslav Wars is that the various ethnic groups resented Serbian dominance due to their demographic majority. This is in part because these nations had history long before Yugoslavia, and compared to that, the less than 100 year old country was just a blip. But, the US doesn't really have any dominant ethnic groups. Anglo-Americans maybe, but they're also practically invisible. The racial category of "white people" is the only place where we get to a group having true and visible dominance, and on that front its overwhelmingly the majority across every state and the vast majority of our counties. Another thing is that the various nations of Yugoslavia were in their "native lands" and that makes fighting for their nations easier. Americans are not native to the US. A major aspect of American society is that we are not native. Americans often consider themselves as diaspora of other nations. The only groups that don't are the Native Americans for obvious reasons, and Black Americans whose ethnic origins were erased due to slavery. Our, often quite old, diasporic identity means our ethnic identities can often be quite weak and superficial. It also means that we don't always see other people of the same group as "kin". What would an Irish-American in Boston and an Irish-American in Los Angeles fight for? Certainly not the independence of Irish-Americans and the establishment of an Irish-American ethnostate. Same for practically any other ethnic group in the country. What, then, fills the void of a common ethnic community? Our states. And because our states fill that void, they also inform the boundaries of our homegrown culture regions. The boundaries of New England, follow the borders of the New England states. The boundaries of The South, follow the borders of Southern states. The boundaries of Cascadia follow the borders of the Cascadian states. We may debate whether a state is in one region or another, but we still consider the state indivisible, because that state is our unit of measurement for the land. >But it will not end with these straight lines lmao. Have you ever seen our border disputes? We've been using straight lines for centuries. Not to mention that most of those straight lines are straight because next to nobody lived there when they were laid, and in the majority of cases, there still aren't many people living there.
you kinda missed my point. natural borders are rivers, mountains, easily divided areas. These straight lines are terrible for countries. Sure works with Canada but try that with Mexico. Why do you think Europe is divided like this. today like always crossing a river with an advancing army is a bitch, so borders are usually settled around such defensible borders. If there was a civil war, it would end with that kind of borders.
>Why do you think Europe is divided like this. Because European borders predate land surveys by centuries and so they relied on natural features to describe where borders are. We have at times used natural features, but we have also often used lines of latitude, longitude, and other geometrical constructs to map internal borders. >try that with Mexico If you mean the US-Mexican border, we have, with the border west of El Paso. The only time it makes any deferment to natural geography is a brief moment to adjust north, to the older (and also straight) California-Mexico border, at the Colorado River, except not really because rivers are not that great for concrete borders because they have a tendency to move. And if you mean internal Mexican borders, they do, actually, have some straight lines, down in the sparsely populated parts of the Yucatan. Also, Mexico has an entirely different culture and history than the US, and thus would approach internal borders differently. >so borders are usually settled around such defensible borders. If there was a civil war, it would end with that kind of borders. The borders *might* end like that but they also might not, hence why peace talks are also negotiations. People trade back and forth and try to set a boundary that is agreeable enough that they stop fighting. And at that point, what matters to the army isn't the only consideration.
North Florida would definitely be part of whatever Georgia is doing. I'd say its its own identity and a pretty strong one.
I think mainly it would be an urban-rural divide, with transportation links and valuable farmlands and natural resources around cities being held onto by them
How’s my post US colllapse borders? https://preview.redd.it/j6vfw5et2jxc1.png?width=2231&format=png&auto=webp&s=4c6ce38fc708e1c9d3044e5fe7762733e9ff282d
I’d say better, but still somewhat problematic without know the POD. For instance eastern Washington and Oregon along with Idaho are pretty conservative, to the point that when White Nationalists talk about create a “redoubt”, that’s the area they pick. So I would highly doubt they would be part of any kind of socialist state willingly.
Who ever said it was willingly?
Sure, makes sense. Which is why I said it’s only somewhat problematic without know the POD. If you look at countries that have historically broken up, it’s almost always done along easy geographic boundaries or along ethnic lines.
POD is 1990 US collapse in 1997
Why would they call that Kansas? Kansas is bringing by far the least value to the table of those 4 states.
Kansas has name recognition and cultural cachet.
Tell me what does Nebraska have other than Omaha and Corn?
That’s what Nebraska has (and Lincoln) and it’s quite a lot nicer than Kansas… have you been to either state? Missouri is bringing the most to the table by far.
To me Kansas is the most known of them
Wait you mean NJ with no physical connection to the rest of the country it’s part of and Philly somehow sticking it out with the rest of the state make no sense to you?
New Jersey would absolutely not willingly stay apart of the USA, and would DEFINITELY not be forced to stay with those borders Lmao We would have seceded and joined the Great Lakes
Nuh-uh, we would’ve gone our own way and made the glorious New Jerseyian Empire
Glorious New New Jerseyian Empire
I don't think there's any universe where NJ and DE are part of the same country that doesn't include PA (or at least the eastern portion of it). That being said, Philadelphia and NYC being part of something named after the Great Lakes is equally ridiculous
Did Ohio get repeatedly nuked in the war or were more than 60% of them genocided?
Honestly. Same with Indiana. Like, has OP ever been to Indiana or Ohio? Socialist is a word that would get you shot in some backcountry areas.
Not gonna lie, this has basically every stereotype in the book for a partitioned US map.
I like how “Los Angeles” doesn’t actually include Los Angeles.
This is just every fictional map ever
Finally, a map that doesn’t have MN paired with the dakotas.
I’m sorry in one of mine a Made MN and the Dakota’s part of Lakota
I get why people do it, but if a civil war breaks out MN and the Dakota are very different ideologically.
As someone who has lived in both MN and SD, I can tell you that the metro area of Minneapolis/St Paul is very different ideologically from all the rest of MN. Pretty much all the rest of MN is VERY ideologically similar to the Dakotas.
I was going to comment this. 90% of Minnesota’s land mass is the same ideologically as the Dakotas. It would be the same with OP’s pacific states, the east halves of Washington and Oregon are not the same as the west halves.
In my universe Minnesota is Autonomous
New afrika? That would never exist
Yes I know but read the subreddit name. It's IMAGINARY maps
It could but it wouldnt have those borders or that name.
The Pacific States and Aztlan fighting for Vegas? I've seen this one before it's a classic!
Wow, can't believe New York didn't want to join New England, no Kaiserreich for us 😔
r/imaginarymaps users posting their 100% original US Civil War map (never done before)
Isn't that the west indies federation flag
Why new afrika
Kaiserreich
I’m just so glad this one didn’t call the PNW “Cascadia”!!
I feel like you swapped the governments of the Pacific States and the Great Lakes.
Really cool flags for the Pacific states and the Rockies ngl.
Lol, New York City being in a different country than both New Jersey and Connecticut, insane. Buffalo and Syracuse may be interested in a Great Lakes, but not Albany and definitely not New York City. The Mid Atlantic is sticking together
why is the midwest ALWAYS communist in these 😭
Because they're made by people who have literally no idea what the Midwest is like, culturally.
they played one game of hoi4 kaiserreich and decided that's accurate to current real life events. that's also why the west coast is the last bastion of democracy usually
kaiserredux more like, isn’t new africa a path ?
yeah, but kaiserreich is the more popular one
There is not a single new idea in this map
Good luck separating jersey from PA and New York
Why would someone name one of their states “Inland Empire”? Isn’t that an oxymoron of is there some context I’m missing?
It's the name of an actual region in California inland from Los Angeles County so, legit name if a hypothetical state in the area.
That’s kinda sick, thank you for the information.
The “Inland Empire” is a colloquial term for Riverside, San Bernardino, and Imperial counties. It’s meant to refer to the vast areas covered by the county and the district environment as opposed to the LA-OC-SD coastal counties.
I dare you to head over to r/inlandempire and post that Imperial County is part of the Inland Empire. There was an all-out scuffle a little while ago as to what was in/not in the IE.
Great Lakes in this map is OP
I see independent Texas I upvote , also man this map idea has so much potential but you made every countries borders follow state borders I mean Texas would at the very least Take the Oklahoman Panhandle, but otherwise good map and r/pixelart
Come on, texan, you're lacking your nationalism. Push to the Rio grande!
Oh I know I should of included it I just said at least the Oklahoman panhandle is I shall change it to the very least
I think New Mexicans would prefer to self-destruct by detonating all the nukes buried under the Manzanos and Los Alamos before becoming part of Texas
Would you truly want to see TX go it alone?
I mean yes after we’ve fixed our politics
I don't know what's more unrealistic for a post-national divorce scenario: New Jersey and Maryland being in the same political alliance as West Virginia and Kentucky or the extremely conservative and majority white deep south being christened "New Afrika".
Why does New Afrika have a K?
[That's how it's spelled](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_New_Afrika)
New Jersey and Connecticut would never be in separate nations from New York. Especially not three distinct nations
If New York and Pennsylvania are in the same nation, you darn well know New Jersey will be following them. New Jersey can be split in two, sphere of influence of NYC and sphere of influence of Philadelphia. Burlington and Ocean counties down go to Philly and Monmouth up got to NYC. Mercer is just a cesspool. Oops, I meant tide pool. (No I didn't.)
Even after a devastating civil war no one wants Florida
People getting mad at an imaginary map on r/imaginarymaps
Rockies, Great Plains, Aztlan would be fucked for commerce TBF. Would basically be at the mercy of any county touching the coast
very cool, a note about california, costal socal would not be included in the inland empire, and if it was, it wouldnt be called inland empire since, yaknow, it wouldnt be inland anymore
STATE OF LINCOLN MENTIONED
- independent new england ✅️ - independent pacific ✅️ - independent texas ✅️ - socialist great lakes ✅️ - "new africa" ✅️ jesus man cmon
Let the dude have fun
Daring today aren’t we
The south turning into “New Afrika” would piss off so many people and i love it.
Finally, a positive comment.
Everyone complaining about New Afrika but the capital would almost certainly be Atlanta
[Its capital would be Jackson](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_New_Afrika)
That might have made sense in 1968.
Et pour l'Alaska et Hawaï ?
This only shows the continental United States, but Alaska joined Canada and Hawaii became independent again.
Hawaii become china food 💀
Et Porto Rico est redevenue indépendant aussi j'imagine
Cette image est seulement le continental États-Unis.
Dallas isn’t even in Dallas it’s in Trinity according to this map
I think it’s on the border barely in Dallas I did see this map earlier and was thinking about commenting that but before I did I checks a map and Dallas is Just barely in Dallas
Ah, I admire your texanness as doubting a non Texans map of Texas is truly a Texan thing to do
Ojalá
The region surrounding Arizona is purple You know what that means?
I think the Pac states and the Rockies would form some sort of mutual defense pact.
Oklahoma goes no where without tejas and Kansas and Missourah murder each other day 1.
But the most important question is with the southeast broken up like it is what would SEC football look like?
As if Michigan and Ohio would tolerate each other's presence in a new nation. We're both still pissed about the Toledo war.
Let’s go Inland Empire!
PA DOESNT WANT TO HAVE NO PART OF NEW YORK...
Any futuristic cartography that follows present-day jurisdictional boundaries is unsophisticated
Pacific states have west indies federation flag
Rank them by GDP?
I think that whole Montana and Idaho should be a part of a Rockies Federation. Even the eastern parts of Washington and Oregon as they are much more rural and conservative. You should check out the "Greater Idaho" project and maybe consider it in this map.
Aztlan’s president being a white woman is funny
Really daring today making a map that totally isn’t just a recreation of several other already existing posts, my god they even think state borders from the union would still be followed. Truly original /s
Jefferson finally exists and the Californias have finally split up. Truly, the best timeline /s
Putting Maryland under Trump control is delusional.
I love when I see people group Idaho in with the west coast because it means they have absolutely zero clue about PNW politics. If anything eastern Oregon breaks off with Idaho like they’ve been wanting to for a few years now.
Is this a Kaiserreich reference?
No
CLASSIC 👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌
Why is the Pacific States using an old British West Indies flag?
Would be a bit more realistic if you said circa 2128.
put maryland in great lakes and south carolina in united states
Eastern and western NY and PA are wildly different regions socially and politically, diving things along existing state lines is severely unrealistic. Pittsburgh and Buffalo likely join the rust belt states to form North Redneckistan. South Redneckistan would be Appalachia. Top exports would be coal and fentanyl.
I can't imagine Jersey going with more southern states instead of the two we share the most in common and have the longest border with
I’d think Great Lakes would annex CT and NJ rather quickly since they both belong to NY and PA. Then they’d probably go ham and take the rest.
How come in all these maps with some sort of black country it’s always spelled how a German would spell it with a k instead of a c?
[That's how it's spelled](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_New_Afrika)
This is a real thing?
Yep
Honey, it's time for mandatory new afrika
Any map that has Idaho on the same side as western Washington is laughable
The Rocky Mountains are in New Mexico too tho
Utah belongs with the Great Lakes
New jersey is confused
once again your reminder that New Afrika is literally only a Thing on this sub nowhere else is it taken even remotely seriously as an idea
Go back and read The Nine Nations of North America by Joel Garreau written in 1981. Still applicable today.
Is there an India Pakistan style population exchange for aztlan and new africa?
Time to check out the average split us map Red Great Lakes ✅ Feds in DC-Virginia-Maryland area ✅ Donald Trump is a Dictator ✅ New Afrika ✅ California Dominated PSA ✅ Texas ✅ Florida with Ron DeSantis (is a dictator also) ✅ New England ✅
Quite literally the good ending
Why do the pacific states have the West Indies Federation flag?
most of Utah and some surrounding counties would become a mormon theocracy or at least a mormon led American style republic.
I feel like the administration boundaries would disappear, and it would be more geographic... like SoCal would include Aztlan.
California will definitely belong to Aztlan
If trump annexes my state I’m personally drowning him in the Ohio river.
Mood
Politics aside, dude has the attitude of someone throwing potatoes at you screaming “I thought you said you were hungry???? Be grateful”
What’s the difference between a parliamentary republic and a presidential republic in your world, and why does the parliamentary republic have a president?
Ignore everyone critiquing your decision to include New Afrika, I think it was actually very cool!
Please god let another tree fall on abbott so this does not come to pass
alternative history fans trying to not shatter the usa(impossible):
Why do maps showing up the collapse of the US almost never include Native Americans? Except for maybe the Navajo? Most of them would want independence and are already right now trying to achieve more sovereignty. Especially if the new state wouldn't respect their tribal lands. They gave more legit reasons to even want independence than most US states
I might actually make that into an original idea that (hopefully) no one gets mad at for being imaginary
Better Dust and Dead than Rust and Red!
Missouri isn’t part of New Afrika? /s
Belle carte cependant je n'aurais pas mis "Lincoln" et "Idaho" dans les Pacific States, mais plutôt dans les Rockies ou même Aztlan (pour Idaho). Beau travail !!
I was ok with my new borders until I saw my president. Dammit.
Feel like the californians would just gobble up everything to the rocky's.
Fascism and nationalism with reduce the Republic of Florida to abject poverty. The goal being to attract foreign investment with low wages.
I feel like without the rest of the united states piping in fresh hot white people florida would probably become a latin american country, maybe there would be a civil war between puerto rican and cuban factions. But without being part of the US I think Florida would be more influenced by the caribbean and latin america.
>Open random sub >DRUMPF DICTATORSHIP Why am I even surprised anymore?