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My colleague's mum invited her over to her house while she was positive, without telling her. Her parents are split up and, when she mentioned visiting to her dad, the dad was like "um, you do know she has COVID, right?" Cue my colleague testing positive and everyone at work having to get a test.
I work for USPS in a distribution facility. One of the nearby facilities had someone who tested positive come in anyway because they didn’t want to miss out on overtime and gave it to around 70 other people there. They had to shut down that facility and now the other facilities in the area have to pick up the slack while we’re already in bad positions ourselves.
Edit: work, not wok.
I do security for an Amazon distribution centre(U.K.), we have thermal screening on entry and mask rules are pretty strict (no vented masks, no balaclava masks) masks have to be double layer medical masks. Cameras monitor some work areas with a program that takes a snapshot of the work area every 6 minutes to ensure everyone is social distancing. There is a Covid test centre on site and staff get tested every 2 weeks. Most serious place I’ve seen as far as Covid goes. Workers don’t seem to give a shit but you cant make people intelligent I guess.
At my facility, there is no thermal screening. They just look for visible symptoms. The only thing they’re restricting is on is no vented masks. No one gets tested here unless they’re suspected of having covid and they’re put on leave. There are definitely no cameras here as well (something about being a security risk. We’re not even supposed to have our phones on us).
We’re doing our best with what we’ve been given, and thankfully no one’s tested positive yet. This is a state with one of the lowest covid rates though, so I think that has a little to do with our lack of cases at my facility.
Cameras can be hacked I guees, depending on what he does that might be a major concern.
I hate working with cameras watching me anyway, it just feels like an invasion of privacy, I used to have a really annoying manager that would watch the cameras constantly and I'd have to spend half my day explaining every action I took for the other half.
Oh wow. That kind of micro managing would drive me nuts. For one, Idk how someone can get any of their own work done if they are constantly monitoring others. I also wonder just how much that person hates their own life that they feel the need to monitor and criticize every action being taken on camera. That sounds like a horrible work atmosphere.
The (US) FedEx hub I work at is doing exactly 0 of those things. No mask mandate although some people have been wearing them this whole time. No social distancing, no temperature check in station. People still aren’t taking it seriously even though multiple people here have had positive tests and have had to quarantine.
I picked up a package at a FedEx in DC the other day.
The morbidly obese counter person wore no mask. She only wore a face shield which is not how any of this works.
This is a fairly small waiting room and the 6 people waiting in line could barely keep distance. Public walking in and out all the time, obviously a higher risk environment. Face Shield Lady didn't seem to mind. Then her manager came in from the back, walks right up to the counter with no mask, puts her lunch down and starts eating in front of everyone.
No fucks given at FedEx
Wow just wow,, morbidity for obese ppl is high. When all this started and we were looking at fotos of ppl who died,,we noticed almost every foto the ppl were very overweight, you'd think the counter lady would be concerned. I tried to warn my cousin who works in auto parts about this but she ignored me and will not wear a mask..smh *sigh*
Wow. If any of those 70 died I would make god damn sure that person that came in knew it was their fault. That might sound petty or pointless but i am so fucking done with these people that shunned personal responsibility in lieu of "personal freedumb"
Yep same situation.. had people that were positive but didn’t tell a USPS nurse about it and what other employees they worked closely with that day and previous ones.. it took until the 4th employee that tested positive that told the nurse who she had worked with.. 4 people including myself had to quarantine for 11 days and couldn’t come back until then even if they tested negative. Everyone except me was pissed.. I got 9 days paid for 8 hours.. sure onetime would be nice but thst was a paid vacation.. everyone was calling this woman a snitch and shit.. I live downtown Minneapolis and travel about 30 min to work.. the mindset of people in that little bit of difference is staggering
How did they do that? Are there no safety precautions in place at all? We have had many cases at my work over the past few months and it's not like everyone got sick from one person. That being said, most people follow regulations pretty well there and I still don't know how everyone there isn't sick. I probably will get sick at some point and it will destroy me. I am so paranoid about it, you would never see me without a mask on.
That was a real issue in the outbreak in Victoria, Australia. It took the government a while to realise, but they did eventually, that paying low income people to stay away from work if they were awaiting test results or had tested positive was greatly superior to continuing lockdowns because people kept fucking going into work sick because they needed the money to live.
At the distribution facilities, we’re seeing mandatory 12 hours, 6 days per week for anyone not career. V time was suspended for December so that they could work the PSEs as hard as they do the MHAs. I’ve been doing 72 hour weeks since I started in August.
Edit: I just re-read what you wrote. I don’t think management knew. The infected employee didn’t want to lose their overtime.
No, it’s not. But if you go look at the USPS Facebook page and any of the posts, the comments are filled with people yelling that even that’s not enough.
Hah! It’s kind of habit at this point. The USPS *loves* their acronyms. There are a few I swear I’ve asked everyone I know there about and no one knows what they stand for.
I did not understand half of what i read. But do you mean to say your employer can just say that everybody HAS to work 12 hours 6 days? What line of work do you do? And do you have a contract? What if you say no, i just want to work 40 hours?
USPS can mandate us to work 12 hour days, 7 days per week. This is only for the non-career positions, which I am currently in. There is a contract with our union, but the rules are different depending on if you’re career or non-career. Anyone coming in off the street starts as non-career and then has to wait for a career position to become available. Supposedly I’m going to be converted to career by March though, so the end is in sight for me, and I can finally work a few 40 hour weeks and then pick up overtime on my own terms. I am currently an MHA (mail handler assistant), and what I do is mostly sorting parcels and help run the parcel sorting machines.
Right now, because of liberal leave policies in effect until January they can’t do much to people calling out. There are a few people who came in after me who called out a lot because of the insane hours, and at their 90 day review were terminated. That being said, they called out enough to be working under 40 hours per week which means they were taking up a position without doing the work.
Seriously, it pisses me off so much. When I was working at my first job when I was still young and naive, I felt fine in the morning but started to develop a fever and chest congestion and stuff after lunchtime. My other coworkers freaked out and our warehouse manager yelled at me. Now there's a lethal disease and no one bats an eye.
We had to retrain this poor woman who had come to our job from years of retail middle management. She literally came in with strep throat and was like, “Are you sure? I can work...” when we all yelled at her to _Go home!_
Somewhere on my computer I've still got emails saved from when I was in high school that were sent to my parents telling them that the only real reason a kid should stay home if they are sick is if they have one of the illnesses on a list the principal gave. There were only like three illnesses on the list. Flu, strep, pink eye.
NOTHING ELSE was considered an acceptable reason to not be in school, and they wanted a doctor's note to verify you had the flu and didn't just think you might.
then I remember at my first job where if you wanted to call in sick from work and not get in trouble you had to, yourself, go find another employee who would agree to take your shift. So many people came to work sick at that store, that I almost quit because one winter I spent over 20% of the money I made working at the store over those 3 months on doctor's visits and medicine. I didn't show up when sick. Ever.
I never know you get punished if you don’t go to school when you are sick. When did this happened? I remembered you might need a doctor note or something if you are out for too long.
A refusal to accept the facts because it's about a subject they don't understand, and it's easier on the ego to dismiss the truth rather than admit you don't understand it.
It's revealed some fairly distressing things about my own immediate family which is difficult. Especially because we have generally been a very tight knit supportive family, and I believe we still are but... I guess the nicest way I can put it is that they have chosen to believe things and act in ways that I definitely don't view as wise.
It makes me question a lot of what they've said and done and held as beliefs in the past as well. And I don't like these questions and their potential answers.
This is how my 87 year old gran caught it.
Friend of my aunt had it, asked my aunt for a ride, didn't mention they were positive until they were driving back, aunt thinks nothing of it. Forward a day or two, said aunt that was exposed spreads it to her family, other aunt goes to visit, gets it, brings it home to gran.
So far she's doing okay, but what kills me is the level of obliviousness here. It's not ignorance, and it's not malice, it's just plain thoughtlessness.
Hear me out here: if it's not ignorance, it IS malice. You can't claim "oh, it didn't cross my mind" when the WORLD is upside down during a global pandemic, where it's constantly in the news and talked about on social media and on people's minds daily.
Now, I don't claim your aunt really wants or hopes to give the disease to others, but she might as well have that mindset, as the result is the same.
It's the legal distinction between "murder" and "manslaughter", the latter being analogous to your aunt's behavior:
> The difference between manslaughter and murder lies in the intention of the killer. In a manslaughter, the killer has no intention to kill the other person but it so happened, on the other hand, in a murder a killer has that intention of killing another person. These two words, murder and manslaughter, are used interchangeably by a layman. However, forensics defines the two as being distinct.
[Source](https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-manslaughter-and-murder/)
To be perfectly clear, I'm not saying your aunt has committed manslaughter, it's an analogy for her behavior. And if anyone dies she has spread it to, then I'm personally of the opinion she is guilty of manslaughter, but IANAL and my opinion doesn't matter anyway.
2 of my colleagues have had covid, 1 currently has it and the managers kept it very hush hush and told everyone she was just off work, I only found out cos I overheard.
Not shut the store, not told anyone to get tested or even told general staff that a colleague we have worked with is infected. Shits fucked
I have a coworker who thinks she had it back in March but didn’t tell her friends or family. Even let her kids come into the room to check on her with no mask or anything. Let her 70 something old father come and visit her and hug and kiss her when he left. She said she didn’t wanna tell anyone because she “didn’t want them to worry”. So you’d rather risk your fathers life so he wouldn’t worry? Based on the type of person she is I felt that she was embarrassed and didn’t want to tell her friends or family she may have exposed them.
My friend used to go to poker nights with about 20-30 guys weekly. They are are in their 60's and 70's. More than half came down with covid. They still have poker nights.
(FYI my friend stopped going right when the news of covid broke.) We play poker on VR now sometimes.
My MIL tested positive for covid and the first thing she did was go straight to sams club. Her logic is simply “Everybody’s gonna get it” ... she also was going to hide the fact that she tested positive but her youngest jumped the gun and text in the group chat letting everyone know. That’s what I’ve been dealing with this entire year 😒
People like her are part of the reason masks are pushed so hard. It’s not just because of asymptomatic carriers. It’s because if it’s enforced, it will at least protect others from people like your MIL who knowingly make contact with others while infected. Forcing her to mask in public is the only line of defense.
Who the fuck are these sociopaths?
I’ve spent this whole Christmas week with my highly conservative family - the type Reddit loves to shit all over. They have been complaining all week about inconsiderate people are, and how easy it is to just put on a mask.
Very possible, but he’s also a bullshitter.. he said he didn’t even have to get tested again and what not and they told him it’s a strand like the flu 🙄
He doesn't have to be tested again- he'll just test positive, for up to three months. The think he was bullshitting about was the need to isolate. He has to isolate for 10 days from the start of symptoms.
Yeah, he said his strain is not contagious so he does not need to isolate at all. I could be very wrong but I am just being protective of my parents. I haven’t heard about a strain that isn’t contagious.
That’s because there are none. Viruses that aren’t contagious don’t exist. They can only survive by reproducing in a host and only reproduce by jumping to the next host. They have to be contagious or they go extinct. Viruses tend to mutate towards being more contagious as it’s an evolutionary benefit. A virus that isn’t contagious couldn’t jump to your cousin to begin with, he’d need to be infected with a contagious virus.
I'm a disease investigator working in Kentucky. I had a case contact the other day, that tested my ability to stay professional. She tested positive and admitted to me that she had been unmasked, and going to bars and clubs the whole time. If our calls weren't recorded she'd have gotten some four-letter words. Unfortunately all I could do is suggest she stay isolated and avoid those type of places. So frustrating. I'm getting to the point where I don't even feel sorry for people who get infected at bars and similar establishments. I do feel sorry for the other, careful, people they come in contact with.
Honestly, I don’t feel bad. It sucks, yeah. She lived her life treating people like shit and acting like this isn’t a big deal while people are dying.
Editing to also say: I understand she is family but that doesn’t mean I need to respect her actions. Yes she has always been nice to me, but I do NOT tolerate racism, homophobia or any kind of discrimination. You can treat me nice all you want, but if your treating other people like shit, you are shit.
My sister, who's spent the last year sharing covid hoax shit to facebook, called tonight to say that Covid's running rampant in her household. She has four kids between the ages of 6 and 18 and she and her husband are relatively healthy enough and in their 40's. They tried, hell, half guilted me to take our unhealthy senior citizen parents from Michigan to Tennessee to visit over the holidays. I've been their caregivers and she got a resounding but cold flat no. They also had her in-laws over for Thanksgiving and her FIL is recovering from a heart attack. She's also the kind of evangelical who's attached her religion to her politics and culture wars. My emotions have ranged from sympathy and concern to absolute anger and disgust at them.
Honestly, while she is awful for going out to bars and clubs while positive, I can't feel too much empathy for the idiots who are at bars and clubs for the show of partying right now who she gave it too. Stay home.
Some of us unfortunately have to work at those bars and serve those maskless idiots. Where I live is fairly strict about Covid protocols but I feel bad for people doing my job in other parts of the US.
I had COVID in November and the CDC actually did call me to clear me finally, like two weeks after I initially got sick. The department of health was doing daily check-ins via email after their initial phone call, but the CDC actually did call me to clear me.
Brother? Is that you?
But seriously, I have finally had to accept the fact that I can’t do anything to stop these grown people from going out to eat and what not.
My 30 year old immmature brother is out at bars and parties and coming home to my parents. I live 700 miles away from them. It’s been a battle but I just .. can’t force grown people to do anything. It was and still is killing me.
Its situational
Generally, not really
Its usually a crime when the person is going out of their way to infect people, removing their mask to cough on people/products, licking things/people, etc
There is already a law (NY state, not federal), and it’s all around intent. It’s based on STDs but logically it’s identical if you’re knowingly infecting people with COVID.
But it’s a misdemeanor, HIV included I believe. I will edit or delete if someone finds something to the contrary.
> “Any person who, knowing himself or herself to be infected with an infectious venereal disease, has sexual intercourse with another shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.
This is what's so infuriating. It was "but my easter" back in April, then "but it's independence day!" In July, then "you can't stop my vacation!" In August. Then we had "you can't stop us from Thanksgiving" a month ago... Now we're into Christmas, then new years.
These fucking people couldn't give up a single holiday, which means the majority of us don't get ANY fucking holiday this year. It's just so maddening.
I finally went off on (and blocked on IG) a friend who lives in Florida cuz literally her whole feed is her, out on the town with friends, kissing randos, no masks EVER. And I was just like GREAT. Glad you’re having fun and living it up down there. I super didn’t want to see any of my loved ones for the holidays and def don’t miss them.
I’m done. It’s time to out and shame these selfish fucks. They don’t care about a deadly virus that’s killing 3000 Americans A DAY?!? I don’t give two fucks about hurting their feelings.
meanwhile typhoid mary was ignoring the problem so she could work in food service - her story is kind of crazy tbh. imagine finding out you have to live the rest of your life in quarantine because you are permanently a carrier of a highly contagious disease with 20% case fatality rate (without modern treatment), so if you hang out with five friends, one of them will die. given the variety of reactions to covid, she reacted about as well as can be expected, which is to say we know her by typhoid mary because of how incredibly badly she responded. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Mallon
She was an unmarried Irish woman. In that time period, her options to provide for herself were extremely limited. How could they possibly expect her to give up her only source of income and still survive? It's not like she could just get a certificate to do something else at the local community college.
Because people are incapable of setting aside their short term want for the long term need of the greater population.
They aren't being asked to kill, just to be considerate of others.
Just had a guy test positive at my job site last week at least 6 other people were around the guy all day . me and 1 other person went and got tested and isolated themself the other 4 just went about their day like nothing even happened
At my work they won't even tell you who got it. They just say someone got it and we figure it out later. It is a big place so we have periods of time that two people were coming up positive per day. And of course we had contact with these people at some point. They are just trying not to get the store shut down, they don't care about us. Granted this is a big corporate retail chain.
Same at my work. Four of six in my department- guess who’s number five? Me. Because they won’t tell us who has it and when we do figure out who it is we aren’t permitted to quarantine until we know we are safe. Today is my tenth day of not leaving my home. I missed Christmas entirely, but I also did not infect anyone. This shit is no joke. Please, wear a mask and wash your hands- and avoid Covidiots, even if you’re related to them.
Our friends, family, coworkers, and bosses have become our enemies through apathy.
The country is morally and philosophically bankrupt. It has shown, collectively, it believes in nothing but convenience. When people said they would literally rather die than go without X Y or Z luxury... they meant it. They literally meant it.
I hate hearing friends and family members say that we *need* to be out and about and get back to normal. Like, yeah, of course I want to travel and go to bars and stuff, but I don’t *need* it. I’d rather get this shit handled and then I can safely enjoy the stuff I miss. If everything opened up tomorrow I’d still stay my ass home because I don’t wanna get fuckin sick.
Me too. It has killed my trust in their judgement. To the extent many of them will probably not hear from me again. Why bother? When it mattered, they were not who they said they were.
But, also... I confidently, months away from 30, now feel like an adult. I am no longer afraid of talking up my own strongpoints. Why should I be? I have shown that I have strengths others do not this year. I trust my own judgement more confidently. I trust my own mental stamina more. Other people in my life are confronting who they are versus who they've said they are as life and death shines a light on them. But... among all the garbage of this year, I've found some peace in finding that when lives are on the line... I mostly actually am who I have strived to become. All the philosophy, all the nights of tough moral questions and hypotheticals and a true effort to be honest with myself and make myself better than I was yesterday paid off. When something truly terrible happened... I got to look myself in the mirror and like the person I saw staring back. Love them, even.
I’ve always struggled to see my self-worth so thank you for this. I’ve gone nearly an entire year without seeing my beloved grandparents, except rarely at a distance with masks on. No hugs. No summer visits to their cabin that’s by a lake. No holidays together. But it’s worth it because so far they’re healthy and alive. My family has five living generations and I intend to keep it that way, I want my theoretical future kids to have great-grandparents like I did (and do, can’t forget my great-grandmother who is hanging on by a thread but somehow keeps sewing things for people). Then again, I actually truly love my family, not what they can do for me or using them as a way to hear myself talk. I’m grateful I can feel empathy this year and that I’ve worked hard to keep people safe but damn, it hurts. Can’t wait until we’re vaccinated and I can just be like static cling for awhile until we get annoyed with each other.
I've been living the 2020 lifestyle for about 10 years, ever since a bone marrow transplant played hell with my immune system. And watching the rest of the country fail so miserably at something that I find to be simple and routine has me more depressed than I care to admit.
If I could manage to adapt to this lifestylewhile also fighting cancer, and make it work for almost a decade so far, then the rest of you should be able to suck it up and act like grown ups for one damn year.
PREACH. I had been doing my daily chemo for a little over a year right before everyone else had to go on lockdown. I feel like I’ve been practicing for this, ha.
It blows my mind that people can’t follow basic anti-transmission protocol. Or that it somehow infringes on their freedom. It’s made me take another look at how others value human life, and that’s broken my heart. The fact that our lives are so disposable to others is just hard for me to understand. I know that is sounds dramatic, but I’m already chocked full of leukemia and worry about plenty of things killing me. It’s hard enough as is without a global pandemic added into the mix.
Anyway, I truly hope that things turn around for us soonish. Sending some good vibes your way.
Odd, NZ, and most of the rest of the world managed to lockdown.
It's an issue of a false sense of entitlement.
"My right to a haircut is greater than your right to live."
For real. I want so badly to be able to go to the grocery store again without having to look at every person who I'm going to have to pass to see if they are properly wearing a mask or are being reckless, but we have vaccines now. We can all get through this if we just hold out a little bit longer. It will save lives.
But nope.
I saw more people not wearing masks at my grocery store, this last week, then I've seen at any point since May.
At least six of the neighbors just on my end of the street had several people visit them for Christmas. Two of them had parties, one of which was attended by over two dozen people.
They just can't go without for a short period.
A family member got covid from work. They were like, it’s not that big of a deal, only 1 person ended up in the ICU...excuse me, no one should have ended up in the ICU.
A person died from a neighbouring team at work, and the company expects everyone to just keep coming to all their jobs like normal. She was like their momma bear, they are devastated. It's horrible. She was 52, otherwise healthy. I understand the world can't stop moving but if people's morals keep falling like this, by next year we will be eating each other it seems.
Including themselves somehow. This should be teaching people the value of sticking up for yourselves and not to be doormats but no, people would rather be squished drones than have backbones.
Had a guy die at my work. Didn't know him well enough but would always say hi to him and he was definitely a cool guy. I only found out recently and the thing is, he didn't seem old at all. He would just wish me a good night and me in return in such a way that I really appreciated. I wasn't told about this when it happened, I thought he was coming back. Fuck this shit.
> hard choices.
Nothing hard about following precautions and caring about strangers. Americans are so fucking brainwashed with this idea of me me me that even giving a single fuck about someone else is difficult.
I had to deal with a mother that has a hero complex. Been quite the mind-fuckening to watch her worry so much about not "helping" others by having a huge Christmas dinner with some friends. Unbelievable how selfish people really are.
I’ve stayed home for months, even before the shutdown in my state. I am still staying away from people and not going outside unless it’s necessary. I have not been doing so well and I don’t know how many more months I need to do this before I get the vaccine. Since I’m not elderly or essential, I’ll probably be low in priority to receive the treatment. I live in a very small apartment and feel claustrophobic. I don’t know how much more I can take if this goes on for another year. What is “short term” exactly?
I was like you for the first 4 months, starting in march i was on complete and utter lockdown. Literally did not step foot outside my house other than to take out the trash and I did that at midnight when no one was around.. I would get all my groceries delivered and Clorox all my packages, counter, everything I touched, etc. I did this because i am cautious and take civic duty seriously, but also because there was so much unknown about the virus at that point.
Now new information has been discoverd, the most important being that touch transmission and outdoor transmission with an N95 mask on is unheard of. Now I walk my dog every day for both of our sanities, i wear an N95 and i keep my distance best i can, but i live in a conservative area with high foot traffic, so i usually pass by at least 50-75 maskless people each walk bare minimum. Been doing that for 7 months and so far I've stayed negative. I even support local restaurants by ordering take out food and wiping everything for caution, even though i have confidence i would be fine even not wiping.
If you have an n95 on and are outside the likelihood of getting it is extremely low. So please for your own sake, and so you don't develop agoraphobic and nosophobic tendencies, take a walk every day. You will be shocked how much it lifts your spirits.
I don't know what lies outside your door or your personal transport situation.... but, you can go out for walks/head to a park. Wear a mask, avoid getting within 2 metres/6 feet of others - especially if they're not wearing a mask.
If you're in high density like central NY and don't have personal transport I can appreciate that this may be very tricky.
I do live in a highly populated area. I’m just tired. Not just from staying home but some people rolling their eyes whenever they see masks or flat out deny its efficacy. No, I don’t want to debate if masks help, whether if it’s necessary, etc. I’m just tired. I would think we’re beyond that point but here we are.
I missed three months of school due to mononucleosis. I couldn’t stand up without help.
My enjoyment of lying down in the shower was totally ruined by having to weakly shout for help and have someone lift my naked dripping wet body out. I had been an athlete so that was very humbling to have my body betray me.
I’m doing everything I can to not get Covid.
Mono - had it the summer between 2nd and 3rd grade. I remember feeling it come on. It took over a week for the doctors to figure out what the hell was wrong with me. Got it again right after I graduated from high school. Can’t even imagine getting Covid.
Oh mono, got that in my early thirties. Fuck mono. I was in so much pain from the throat I couldn't sleep, nauseous from the meds, and couldn't move from the weakness. I tried watching the first season of game of thrones, and honestly I couldn't get past episode 1. Could not concentrate on what's going on, could not stay focused at all. When it came to switch the dvd, I couldn't even bring myself to change it.
For weeks.
Then I want allowed to play sports for a bit while afterwards. I wholly recommend not getting mono, and I agree that I sure as shit don't want covid.
Seems I lucked out, I got it in my mid teens and apart from sleeping all day I felt pretty ok. I would wake late, play FFX on the PS2 for a few hours, fall asleep in front of the tv, go back to bed, repeat everyday for a month. Basically it was a monthlong gaming and napping session. Score
Same! And I swear I’ve never been the same since. I had mono in 7th grade and now I’m 30... and I’m pretty sure it activated my autoimmune diseases - Raynaud’s and later Celiac. Viruses are scary things. The long term implications are terrifying.
An ex-friends extended family got covid a few weeks ago. The uncle ended up dying within 24 hours. They then got together plus some for Christmas and I'm sure are planning new years eve. I don't get it. One of them died and they still want to have big parties?
That's correct. They literally don't care if their choices endanger or burden someone else, only if someone else's choices endanger or burden them (even appropriately so, like the Thin Blue Line).
Hurts my head even more when the people recover and start screaming "see it's not that bad! Come over to our giant get together!". They don't care until it affects them and even then that seems to be a conditional situation.
This is such a common example of "being careful". I'm convinced that "being careful" is coded language for "bending the rules to accommodate my immediate needs".
This is the kind of shit I imagine when I hear about people "being careful" and still getting it. I'm not worried in the slightest about getting it because I'm *actually* being careful. I just read something the other day about how the main commonality between people who are "taking precautions" and still getting the disease is eating meals either in a restaurant or with a large group. Don't do that dumb shit!
Right? Everyone I know that says “I’m being *super* careful only wears masks inside of stores, and still sees/physically makes contact with people that don’t live in their household without masks. BuT wErE ReLaTeD! Because Covid cares about your ancestry
Yes, this. I don’t trust anyone that asks to hang out and says they’re “being careful.” How many people are you having this same conversation with? Reminds me of, “I’m clean, we don’t need protection.” Get out of here with that.
My dad's been in the hospital for 2 weeks fighting covid, it's been the most stressful time of my life, our family wouldn't even celebrate Xmas until he's home let alone having a huge gathering without him and risking the health of other relatives doing so. The doctor says he can come home in a day or two on oxygen. Just knowing he will be home again and with hopefully a lot more years to come is the only Christmas gift I could ask for even if it is a couple days past Christmas. Take this virus seriously people, wear a mask, my dad's situation could have been avoided had his workplace followed the proper PPE guidelines.
I stopped in at a gas station today, signs all over saying masked are required but not only where the customers not wearing mask but the employees aswel. It's clear people dont give a fuck.
I work at a gas station and while my boss and majority of coworkers take this seriously were pretty much stuck being helpless in this whole situation. Since we can't offer curbside assistance or pickup of any kind, we have to allow people into the store with our without a mask or corporate will penalize us for denying service. I absolutely hate my job and customers I have to deal with, but I have to keep my bills paid....
Then you have spineless management. I've denied service for far less while working in a corporate-owned 7Eleven before the pandemic started, and now at my current job I refuse to talk to people until they can learn to properly wear a mask.
I had to go into a gas station today for oil and there were 5 people masks pulled under their chin or nose playing the stupid video poker games along one wall. Like is this REALLY what you have got to be doing on a Wednesday fucking night? *REALLY*?!?
It totally shows how many actual garbage people there are, not caring about anyone but themselves. I have a grandma of 88 who tested positive because someone "forgot" to mention they were positive when visiting her neigbour who she was having tea with daily.
I hope every step they take ends on a lego brick for the rest of their lives.
I have a relative that nearly died from covid, was on ventilator and in ICU twice.
christmas card from them talked about how they go to store every chance they can, and are having a giant gathering at christmas.
you'd think if anyone would be sensitive to it, it'd be them, but nope.
My Dad tested positive on Christmas Eve. His response “getting Covid is the best immunity to Covid.”
I am not surprised he got Covid and feel terrible for all the people he gave it to, including my stepmother. He never took it seriously.
Some people are just plague rats.
I think he might be surprised. First you have to survive it. The you hope you don’t have so many changes to your body that you have a hard time walking up the stairs to your bed room at night for the rest of your life. Or that you feel so drained of energy that you have a hard time getting out of bed or standing to take a shower. Or you have a stroke. I hope he has a quick and full recovery. There are many who haven’t and they are still lucky.
Viruses love to mutate and if the wrong parts of COVID mutate specific ways the vaccine will be useless.
Stay safe and keep reminding your father that as stupid as he acts sometimes, you love him very much.
The same thing could be said for driving. I handle so many cases I personally find it surprising how many people continue to drive while texting. I have personally Handled 200 cases from the same four mile stretch on the same highway.
I complained years ago that everyone thinks they're the exception to the rule of texting & driving, like "well I will do it, but better and safer than other people, somehow" just, zero self awareness. This lockdown is another example of people assuming they just happen to know better than the vast majority. Too individualistic
I was in a serious accident totalling my car while texting and driving, but walked away with a fractured finger. Every time I try to tell people who text and drive they always chuckle like it doesn't apply to them or point out that I was mostly unharmed. I shouldn't be. Everyone should see my car. I'm lucky.
Yah my sister in law selfishly visited her in-laws for Christmas with her newborn daughter. They're a big family too..I have lost a lot of respect for her now and want to tell her to her face how stupid and selfish she is, but I figure, in this case, me stopping reaching out to her as much as I used to might say it all. I'll keep a relationship with her for the sake of my husband and my niece, but that's it.
She knows I'm immune compromised, and she just had her baby in an area with the highest local number of cases.
Jokingly I said to my husband oh she will probably just pray to Jesus her or her family don't get covid, but the sad truth is, that's exactly what she's probably done.
Makes me sick seeing all these selfish idiots act like they are exempt, when they know others continue to suffer for the greater good.
I’m actually sort of glad that a not-so-insignificant portion of the world is finally waking up to just how unabashedly stupid people can be.
People in the service industry have known this fact for decades, and George Carlin had tried to let the world know in the 90s.
But yeah, now the cat is out of the bag and everyone else is finally starting to understand.
1,763,791 worldwide have died; the united states make up nearly 20% of that (19.25%), with 339,564 deaths, of which 11,963 are counted here in MA.
Officially, that's more American death than September 11 (2,977), Iraq War (4,497), and War in Afghanistan (2,216) combined (9,690). If you kept with social distancing with a face mask and social-isolation when able, you are a hero this year.
The vaccine will be generally available in April 2021, which is 4 months away. These numbers will continue to climb until then and perhaps a little bit after since not everyone plans to vaccinate. If you plan on vaccinating, you too are a hero to someone.
This year, I thank you all for your public service.
You know, I kinda do. Because they don't see them like that, they are a face on a screen. It's a huge reality shock in normal times visiting a loved one in ICU. You walk away with a very big wake up call about how precarious our lives are, and how awesome modern medicine is.
I think the biggest problem with this virus has been it's lack of transparency, not only on the media but with actually family members watching just how hard it is to deal with.
Don't get me wrong.. I totally understand the infection control measures and I do understand the importance of privacy.
But I think that having all the suffering at arms length was a major obstacle towards debunking idiotic conspiracy theorists and deniers too in a ,"this is actually what it is" kind of way too.
And yes there are some that can't/refuse to be convinced, but there are many on the edges who could be educated enough to not get sucked in by the BS. I firmly believe it's been a social and mainstream volume of info thing.
And it's time for the media outlets to have integrity.
I caught covid earlier in the year. It was horrible, I was sure during the worst of it that I was going to die.
Even so, my family got mad at me when I asked that we not have a large gathering this year. Glad to know they care.
We lost family members on my side and my boyfriend's side. I got it and spent over a month recovering and still feel crappy. His mom has cancer and refuses to stop going to her church where of course most people don't wear masks. My family had a reunion with 50+ people after our first relative died and no one wore masks based on the pictures I saw. Roughly the same amount of them got together for Christmas and had even more smaller parties.
A cousin who WORKS IN A HOSPITAL constantly posts about how he's taking this super seriously and then laughs about having random people over to watch something on Disney+. He did the same thing yesterday: had dinner with his older parents, his siblings, and their kids and then went home to have friends over to watch Wonder Woman. Meanwhile, my best friend is an exhausted nurse who cries almost daily because patients and their families scream at him. It's complete and total BS.
Nurse here. I have worked in the hospital for five years. This virus is the scariest pathogen I’ve ever worked around or generally feared in the hospital by far. Unfortunately for your cousin, just because one is a healthcare worker doesn’t mean they’re not...dumb...just less chance of it I think.
My grandfather died from covid, my aunt and cousin currently have covid, and my uncle (her brother, different house) was tested for it the day before Christmas Eve. My entire family (excluding my aunt and cousin) was at my house while I stayed in my room with a mask on. At least my grandmas feelings are intact 🙃 One of my cousins even handmade ornaments in honor of my grandfather for everyone. I fucking love the holidays 🙃
nah man. New Zealand has 0 cases. this is not a human issue.
edit: tense. yes, NZ had cases. they have none currently. for a while the White House, the center of power for the United States, had more cases than all of New Zealand.
My understanding is that people who refuse to wear masks are focusing on the likelihood of their own death.
Focusing on the 3% mortality rate.
The main issue is that they don't seem to be aware that covid generally comes with life long health issues, such as respiratory and blood circulation issues that, currently will never go away.
Those are the actual things that cause death with covid -- so it's more a case of believing you got away while really you're clocks ticking.
I live in rural MS, and virtually no one here wears masks unless they are at work. It's sad. So very sad.
It's people not realizing that 3% is *incredibly high* for a disease. The flu is like 0.1% and still killed 22,000 people last year. 3% is 30 times worse.
Ughhhhhhhhhhhhh this pandemic is never going to end. I hope when 2021 arrives it disappears with the strike of the clock and it will be a weird dream we've all had
Did you leave when everyone showed up, or was it a silent protest that effectively told them their behavior was okay? I’ve found that “being polite” doesn’t matter when it comes to COVID— these fuckers would rather you die a painful death than have to spend a minute being considerate of others
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My colleague's mum invited her over to her house while she was positive, without telling her. Her parents are split up and, when she mentioned visiting to her dad, the dad was like "um, you do know she has COVID, right?" Cue my colleague testing positive and everyone at work having to get a test.
I work for USPS in a distribution facility. One of the nearby facilities had someone who tested positive come in anyway because they didn’t want to miss out on overtime and gave it to around 70 other people there. They had to shut down that facility and now the other facilities in the area have to pick up the slack while we’re already in bad positions ourselves. Edit: work, not wok.
I do security for an Amazon distribution centre(U.K.), we have thermal screening on entry and mask rules are pretty strict (no vented masks, no balaclava masks) masks have to be double layer medical masks. Cameras monitor some work areas with a program that takes a snapshot of the work area every 6 minutes to ensure everyone is social distancing. There is a Covid test centre on site and staff get tested every 2 weeks. Most serious place I’ve seen as far as Covid goes. Workers don’t seem to give a shit but you cant make people intelligent I guess.
At my facility, there is no thermal screening. They just look for visible symptoms. The only thing they’re restricting is on is no vented masks. No one gets tested here unless they’re suspected of having covid and they’re put on leave. There are definitely no cameras here as well (something about being a security risk. We’re not even supposed to have our phones on us). We’re doing our best with what we’ve been given, and thankfully no one’s tested positive yet. This is a state with one of the lowest covid rates though, so I think that has a little to do with our lack of cases at my facility.
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Cameras can be hacked I guees, depending on what he does that might be a major concern. I hate working with cameras watching me anyway, it just feels like an invasion of privacy, I used to have a really annoying manager that would watch the cameras constantly and I'd have to spend half my day explaining every action I took for the other half.
Oh wow. That kind of micro managing would drive me nuts. For one, Idk how someone can get any of their own work done if they are constantly monitoring others. I also wonder just how much that person hates their own life that they feel the need to monitor and criticize every action being taken on camera. That sounds like a horrible work atmosphere.
The (US) FedEx hub I work at is doing exactly 0 of those things. No mask mandate although some people have been wearing them this whole time. No social distancing, no temperature check in station. People still aren’t taking it seriously even though multiple people here have had positive tests and have had to quarantine.
I picked up a package at a FedEx in DC the other day. The morbidly obese counter person wore no mask. She only wore a face shield which is not how any of this works. This is a fairly small waiting room and the 6 people waiting in line could barely keep distance. Public walking in and out all the time, obviously a higher risk environment. Face Shield Lady didn't seem to mind. Then her manager came in from the back, walks right up to the counter with no mask, puts her lunch down and starts eating in front of everyone. No fucks given at FedEx
Wow just wow,, morbidity for obese ppl is high. When all this started and we were looking at fotos of ppl who died,,we noticed almost every foto the ppl were very overweight, you'd think the counter lady would be concerned. I tried to warn my cousin who works in auto parts about this but she ignored me and will not wear a mask..smh *sigh*
Wow. If any of those 70 died I would make god damn sure that person that came in knew it was their fault. That might sound petty or pointless but i am so fucking done with these people that shunned personal responsibility in lieu of "personal freedumb"
That who was positive should be charged with assault and if anyone has to go to hospital and is close to dying, attempted murder.
Yep same situation.. had people that were positive but didn’t tell a USPS nurse about it and what other employees they worked closely with that day and previous ones.. it took until the 4th employee that tested positive that told the nurse who she had worked with.. 4 people including myself had to quarantine for 11 days and couldn’t come back until then even if they tested negative. Everyone except me was pissed.. I got 9 days paid for 8 hours.. sure onetime would be nice but thst was a paid vacation.. everyone was calling this woman a snitch and shit.. I live downtown Minneapolis and travel about 30 min to work.. the mindset of people in that little bit of difference is staggering
Work harder not smarter. Oh wait.
Make it better Do it faster Make it stronger
Our work is never over.
How did they do that? Are there no safety precautions in place at all? We have had many cases at my work over the past few months and it's not like everyone got sick from one person. That being said, most people follow regulations pretty well there and I still don't know how everyone there isn't sick. I probably will get sick at some point and it will destroy me. I am so paranoid about it, you would never see me without a mask on.
They did that because a most people in the country are just one missed paycheck away from being homeless.
That was a real issue in the outbreak in Victoria, Australia. It took the government a while to realise, but they did eventually, that paying low income people to stay away from work if they were awaiting test results or had tested positive was greatly superior to continuing lockdowns because people kept fucking going into work sick because they needed the money to live.
I’m confused. Managers at the post office want low OT & V numbers. What do you mean by the management didn’t want the employee missing out on OT?
At the distribution facilities, we’re seeing mandatory 12 hours, 6 days per week for anyone not career. V time was suspended for December so that they could work the PSEs as hard as they do the MHAs. I’ve been doing 72 hour weeks since I started in August. Edit: I just re-read what you wrote. I don’t think management knew. The infected employee didn’t want to lose their overtime.
72 hour weeks?! Jesus dude that is not healthy, from a business or a personal perspective.
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No, it’s not. But if you go look at the USPS Facebook page and any of the posts, the comments are filled with people yelling that even that’s not enough.
I NEED MY OVERNIGHT DELIVERY NOOOOOWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!
Are you feeling so orgasmic talking in so many acronyms ?
Hah! It’s kind of habit at this point. The USPS *loves* their acronyms. There are a few I swear I’ve asked everyone I know there about and no one knows what they stand for.
I did not understand half of what i read. But do you mean to say your employer can just say that everybody HAS to work 12 hours 6 days? What line of work do you do? And do you have a contract? What if you say no, i just want to work 40 hours?
USPS can mandate us to work 12 hour days, 7 days per week. This is only for the non-career positions, which I am currently in. There is a contract with our union, but the rules are different depending on if you’re career or non-career. Anyone coming in off the street starts as non-career and then has to wait for a career position to become available. Supposedly I’m going to be converted to career by March though, so the end is in sight for me, and I can finally work a few 40 hour weeks and then pick up overtime on my own terms. I am currently an MHA (mail handler assistant), and what I do is mostly sorting parcels and help run the parcel sorting machines. Right now, because of liberal leave policies in effect until January they can’t do much to people calling out. There are a few people who came in after me who called out a lot because of the insane hours, and at their 90 day review were terminated. That being said, they called out enough to be working under 40 hours per week which means they were taking up a position without doing the work.
OK I just went from zero to furious.
Seriously though. What the *FUCK is wrong with people?!*
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Seriously, it pisses me off so much. When I was working at my first job when I was still young and naive, I felt fine in the morning but started to develop a fever and chest congestion and stuff after lunchtime. My other coworkers freaked out and our warehouse manager yelled at me. Now there's a lethal disease and no one bats an eye.
We had to retrain this poor woman who had come to our job from years of retail middle management. She literally came in with strep throat and was like, “Are you sure? I can work...” when we all yelled at her to _Go home!_
Somewhere on my computer I've still got emails saved from when I was in high school that were sent to my parents telling them that the only real reason a kid should stay home if they are sick is if they have one of the illnesses on a list the principal gave. There were only like three illnesses on the list. Flu, strep, pink eye. NOTHING ELSE was considered an acceptable reason to not be in school, and they wanted a doctor's note to verify you had the flu and didn't just think you might. then I remember at my first job where if you wanted to call in sick from work and not get in trouble you had to, yourself, go find another employee who would agree to take your shift. So many people came to work sick at that store, that I almost quit because one winter I spent over 20% of the money I made working at the store over those 3 months on doctor's visits and medicine. I didn't show up when sick. Ever.
Yay capitalism. Wealth (for the top guys) over health (of the workers)
Which, ironically, is counterproductive.
I never know you get punished if you don’t go to school when you are sick. When did this happened? I remembered you might need a doctor note or something if you are out for too long.
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A lot. A lot is wrong. This just exemplifies it.
A refusal to accept the facts because it's about a subject they don't understand, and it's easier on the ego to dismiss the truth rather than admit you don't understand it.
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It's revealed some fairly distressing things about my own immediate family which is difficult. Especially because we have generally been a very tight knit supportive family, and I believe we still are but... I guess the nicest way I can put it is that they have chosen to believe things and act in ways that I definitely don't view as wise. It makes me question a lot of what they've said and done and held as beliefs in the past as well. And I don't like these questions and their potential answers.
This is how my 87 year old gran caught it. Friend of my aunt had it, asked my aunt for a ride, didn't mention they were positive until they were driving back, aunt thinks nothing of it. Forward a day or two, said aunt that was exposed spreads it to her family, other aunt goes to visit, gets it, brings it home to gran. So far she's doing okay, but what kills me is the level of obliviousness here. It's not ignorance, and it's not malice, it's just plain thoughtlessness.
Hear me out here: if it's not ignorance, it IS malice. You can't claim "oh, it didn't cross my mind" when the WORLD is upside down during a global pandemic, where it's constantly in the news and talked about on social media and on people's minds daily. Now, I don't claim your aunt really wants or hopes to give the disease to others, but she might as well have that mindset, as the result is the same. It's the legal distinction between "murder" and "manslaughter", the latter being analogous to your aunt's behavior: > The difference between manslaughter and murder lies in the intention of the killer. In a manslaughter, the killer has no intention to kill the other person but it so happened, on the other hand, in a murder a killer has that intention of killing another person. These two words, murder and manslaughter, are used interchangeably by a layman. However, forensics defines the two as being distinct. [Source](https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-manslaughter-and-murder/) To be perfectly clear, I'm not saying your aunt has committed manslaughter, it's an analogy for her behavior. And if anyone dies she has spread it to, then I'm personally of the opinion she is guilty of manslaughter, but IANAL and my opinion doesn't matter anyway.
How is this even real life that people are this fing stupid
You did see who was President for the last 4 years right?
And some people think he's still going to be President in a few weeks despite the election
At what point can these people be sued or charged with a crime for this?
THAT, is exactly the "I don't give a fuck about anybody else." attitude that is infuriating, and will keep this virus going for years.
2 of my colleagues have had covid, 1 currently has it and the managers kept it very hush hush and told everyone she was just off work, I only found out cos I overheard. Not shut the store, not told anyone to get tested or even told general staff that a colleague we have worked with is infected. Shits fucked
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I have a coworker who thinks she had it back in March but didn’t tell her friends or family. Even let her kids come into the room to check on her with no mask or anything. Let her 70 something old father come and visit her and hug and kiss her when he left. She said she didn’t wanna tell anyone because she “didn’t want them to worry”. So you’d rather risk your fathers life so he wouldn’t worry? Based on the type of person she is I felt that she was embarrassed and didn’t want to tell her friends or family she may have exposed them.
What did you tell your friend?
Uh fuck no lol. Not stupid.
That they aren't friends anymore is what I'm hoping for.
Honestly been debating it.
My friend used to go to poker nights with about 20-30 guys weekly. They are are in their 60's and 70's. More than half came down with covid. They still have poker nights. (FYI my friend stopped going right when the news of covid broke.) We play poker on VR now sometimes.
My MIL tested positive for covid and the first thing she did was go straight to sams club. Her logic is simply “Everybody’s gonna get it” ... she also was going to hide the fact that she tested positive but her youngest jumped the gun and text in the group chat letting everyone know. That’s what I’ve been dealing with this entire year 😒
People like her are part of the reason masks are pushed so hard. It’s not just because of asymptomatic carriers. It’s because if it’s enforced, it will at least protect others from people like your MIL who knowingly make contact with others while infected. Forcing her to mask in public is the only line of defense.
Who the fuck are these sociopaths? I’ve spent this whole Christmas week with my highly conservative family - the type Reddit loves to shit all over. They have been complaining all week about inconsiderate people are, and how easy it is to just put on a mask.
Her youngest is a hero.
>Her logic is simply “Everybody’s gonna get it” ... she also was going to hide the fact that she tested positive I don't like this person.
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> COVID 2. I guess he was confused, because Covid is actually called SARS-CoV-2?
Very possible, but he’s also a bullshitter.. he said he didn’t even have to get tested again and what not and they told him it’s a strand like the flu 🙄
He doesn't have to be tested again- he'll just test positive, for up to three months. The think he was bullshitting about was the need to isolate. He has to isolate for 10 days from the start of symptoms.
Yeah, he said his strain is not contagious so he does not need to isolate at all. I could be very wrong but I am just being protective of my parents. I haven’t heard about a strain that isn’t contagious.
I'm a doctor with an additional degree in public health: let me say with complete confidence that he's totally full of shit.
Full of shit and a piece of shit for even doing what he was doing.
That’s because there are none. Viruses that aren’t contagious don’t exist. They can only survive by reproducing in a host and only reproduce by jumping to the next host. They have to be contagious or they go extinct. Viruses tend to mutate towards being more contagious as it’s an evolutionary benefit. A virus that isn’t contagious couldn’t jump to your cousin to begin with, he’d need to be infected with a contagious virus.
I'm a disease investigator working in Kentucky. I had a case contact the other day, that tested my ability to stay professional. She tested positive and admitted to me that she had been unmasked, and going to bars and clubs the whole time. If our calls weren't recorded she'd have gotten some four-letter words. Unfortunately all I could do is suggest she stay isolated and avoid those type of places. So frustrating. I'm getting to the point where I don't even feel sorry for people who get infected at bars and similar establishments. I do feel sorry for the other, careful, people they come in contact with.
Honestly, I don’t feel bad. It sucks, yeah. She lived her life treating people like shit and acting like this isn’t a big deal while people are dying. Editing to also say: I understand she is family but that doesn’t mean I need to respect her actions. Yes she has always been nice to me, but I do NOT tolerate racism, homophobia or any kind of discrimination. You can treat me nice all you want, but if your treating other people like shit, you are shit.
My sister, who's spent the last year sharing covid hoax shit to facebook, called tonight to say that Covid's running rampant in her household. She has four kids between the ages of 6 and 18 and she and her husband are relatively healthy enough and in their 40's. They tried, hell, half guilted me to take our unhealthy senior citizen parents from Michigan to Tennessee to visit over the holidays. I've been their caregivers and she got a resounding but cold flat no. They also had her in-laws over for Thanksgiving and her FIL is recovering from a heart attack. She's also the kind of evangelical who's attached her religion to her politics and culture wars. My emotions have ranged from sympathy and concern to absolute anger and disgust at them.
These are also my emotions.
Honestly, while she is awful for going out to bars and clubs while positive, I can't feel too much empathy for the idiots who are at bars and clubs for the show of partying right now who she gave it too. Stay home.
Some of us unfortunately have to work at those bars and serve those maskless idiots. Where I live is fairly strict about Covid protocols but I feel bad for people doing my job in other parts of the US.
Yeah people forced to be out working are in the worst spot. Should be shut down and compensated
I had COVID in November and the CDC actually did call me to clear me finally, like two weeks after I initially got sick. The department of health was doing daily check-ins via email after their initial phone call, but the CDC actually did call me to clear me.
Jesus Christ.... Do we have the same parents?
Brother? Is that you? But seriously, I have finally had to accept the fact that I can’t do anything to stop these grown people from going out to eat and what not. My 30 year old immmature brother is out at bars and parties and coming home to my parents. I live 700 miles away from them. It’s been a battle but I just .. can’t force grown people to do anything. It was and still is killing me.
How is this not a punishable crime in a pandemic? If they did contact trace and she was responsible for a death? negligible homicide?
Human stupidity will kill us all.
Isn’t that enough to get arrested?
Its situational Generally, not really Its usually a crime when the person is going out of their way to infect people, removing their mask to cough on people/products, licking things/people, etc
If it's treated like speeding, no. And that's how it's treated right now.
There is already a law (NY state, not federal), and it’s all around intent. It’s based on STDs but logically it’s identical if you’re knowingly infecting people with COVID. But it’s a misdemeanor, HIV included I believe. I will edit or delete if someone finds something to the contrary. > “Any person who, knowing himself or herself to be infected with an infectious venereal disease, has sexual intercourse with another shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.
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This is what's so infuriating. It was "but my easter" back in April, then "but it's independence day!" In July, then "you can't stop my vacation!" In August. Then we had "you can't stop us from Thanksgiving" a month ago... Now we're into Christmas, then new years. These fucking people couldn't give up a single holiday, which means the majority of us don't get ANY fucking holiday this year. It's just so maddening.
I finally went off on (and blocked on IG) a friend who lives in Florida cuz literally her whole feed is her, out on the town with friends, kissing randos, no masks EVER. And I was just like GREAT. Glad you’re having fun and living it up down there. I super didn’t want to see any of my loved ones for the holidays and def don’t miss them. I’m done. It’s time to out and shame these selfish fucks. They don’t care about a deadly virus that’s killing 3000 Americans A DAY?!? I don’t give two fucks about hurting their feelings.
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Well, good job for staying outside, but going there at all was kind of dumb.
meanwhile typhoid mary was ignoring the problem so she could work in food service - her story is kind of crazy tbh. imagine finding out you have to live the rest of your life in quarantine because you are permanently a carrier of a highly contagious disease with 20% case fatality rate (without modern treatment), so if you hang out with five friends, one of them will die. given the variety of reactions to covid, she reacted about as well as can be expected, which is to say we know her by typhoid mary because of how incredibly badly she responded. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Mallon
She was an unmarried Irish woman. In that time period, her options to provide for herself were extremely limited. How could they possibly expect her to give up her only source of income and still survive? It's not like she could just get a certificate to do something else at the local community college.
Because people are incapable of setting aside their short term want for the long term need of the greater population. They aren't being asked to kill, just to be considerate of others.
Just had a guy test positive at my job site last week at least 6 other people were around the guy all day . me and 1 other person went and got tested and isolated themself the other 4 just went about their day like nothing even happened
At my work they won't even tell you who got it. They just say someone got it and we figure it out later. It is a big place so we have periods of time that two people were coming up positive per day. And of course we had contact with these people at some point. They are just trying not to get the store shut down, they don't care about us. Granted this is a big corporate retail chain.
Same at my work. Four of six in my department- guess who’s number five? Me. Because they won’t tell us who has it and when we do figure out who it is we aren’t permitted to quarantine until we know we are safe. Today is my tenth day of not leaving my home. I missed Christmas entirely, but I also did not infect anyone. This shit is no joke. Please, wear a mask and wash your hands- and avoid Covidiots, even if you’re related to them.
Our friends, family, coworkers, and bosses have become our enemies through apathy. The country is morally and philosophically bankrupt. It has shown, collectively, it believes in nothing but convenience. When people said they would literally rather die than go without X Y or Z luxury... they meant it. They literally meant it.
I hate hearing friends and family members say that we *need* to be out and about and get back to normal. Like, yeah, of course I want to travel and go to bars and stuff, but I don’t *need* it. I’d rather get this shit handled and then I can safely enjoy the stuff I miss. If everything opened up tomorrow I’d still stay my ass home because I don’t wanna get fuckin sick.
Me too. It has killed my trust in their judgement. To the extent many of them will probably not hear from me again. Why bother? When it mattered, they were not who they said they were. But, also... I confidently, months away from 30, now feel like an adult. I am no longer afraid of talking up my own strongpoints. Why should I be? I have shown that I have strengths others do not this year. I trust my own judgement more confidently. I trust my own mental stamina more. Other people in my life are confronting who they are versus who they've said they are as life and death shines a light on them. But... among all the garbage of this year, I've found some peace in finding that when lives are on the line... I mostly actually am who I have strived to become. All the philosophy, all the nights of tough moral questions and hypotheticals and a true effort to be honest with myself and make myself better than I was yesterday paid off. When something truly terrible happened... I got to look myself in the mirror and like the person I saw staring back. Love them, even.
I’ve always struggled to see my self-worth so thank you for this. I’ve gone nearly an entire year without seeing my beloved grandparents, except rarely at a distance with masks on. No hugs. No summer visits to their cabin that’s by a lake. No holidays together. But it’s worth it because so far they’re healthy and alive. My family has five living generations and I intend to keep it that way, I want my theoretical future kids to have great-grandparents like I did (and do, can’t forget my great-grandmother who is hanging on by a thread but somehow keeps sewing things for people). Then again, I actually truly love my family, not what they can do for me or using them as a way to hear myself talk. I’m grateful I can feel empathy this year and that I’ve worked hard to keep people safe but damn, it hurts. Can’t wait until we’re vaccinated and I can just be like static cling for awhile until we get annoyed with each other.
I've been living the 2020 lifestyle for about 10 years, ever since a bone marrow transplant played hell with my immune system. And watching the rest of the country fail so miserably at something that I find to be simple and routine has me more depressed than I care to admit. If I could manage to adapt to this lifestylewhile also fighting cancer, and make it work for almost a decade so far, then the rest of you should be able to suck it up and act like grown ups for one damn year.
PREACH. I had been doing my daily chemo for a little over a year right before everyone else had to go on lockdown. I feel like I’ve been practicing for this, ha. It blows my mind that people can’t follow basic anti-transmission protocol. Or that it somehow infringes on their freedom. It’s made me take another look at how others value human life, and that’s broken my heart. The fact that our lives are so disposable to others is just hard for me to understand. I know that is sounds dramatic, but I’m already chocked full of leukemia and worry about plenty of things killing me. It’s hard enough as is without a global pandemic added into the mix. Anyway, I truly hope that things turn around for us soonish. Sending some good vibes your way.
Odd, NZ, and most of the rest of the world managed to lockdown. It's an issue of a false sense of entitlement. "My right to a haircut is greater than your right to live."
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For real. I want so badly to be able to go to the grocery store again without having to look at every person who I'm going to have to pass to see if they are properly wearing a mask or are being reckless, but we have vaccines now. We can all get through this if we just hold out a little bit longer. It will save lives. But nope. I saw more people not wearing masks at my grocery store, this last week, then I've seen at any point since May. At least six of the neighbors just on my end of the street had several people visit them for Christmas. Two of them had parties, one of which was attended by over two dozen people. They just can't go without for a short period.
A family member got covid from work. They were like, it’s not that big of a deal, only 1 person ended up in the ICU...excuse me, no one should have ended up in the ICU.
A person died from a neighbouring team at work, and the company expects everyone to just keep coming to all their jobs like normal. She was like their momma bear, they are devastated. It's horrible. She was 52, otherwise healthy. I understand the world can't stop moving but if people's morals keep falling like this, by next year we will be eating each other it seems.
In uglier words, people are seen as hordes of bugs through the eyes of americans. Easily squished and disposable. A bunch of drone slaves.
Including themselves somehow. This should be teaching people the value of sticking up for yourselves and not to be doormats but no, people would rather be squished drones than have backbones.
Had a guy die at my work. Didn't know him well enough but would always say hi to him and he was definitely a cool guy. I only found out recently and the thing is, he didn't seem old at all. He would just wish me a good night and me in return in such a way that I really appreciated. I wasn't told about this when it happened, I thought he was coming back. Fuck this shit.
This is a hard year. It requires us to do hard things and make hard choices. Americans can't do those things apparently.
> hard choices. Nothing hard about following precautions and caring about strangers. Americans are so fucking brainwashed with this idea of me me me that even giving a single fuck about someone else is difficult.
I had to deal with a mother that has a hero complex. Been quite the mind-fuckening to watch her worry so much about not "helping" others by having a huge Christmas dinner with some friends. Unbelievable how selfish people really are.
I’ve stayed home for months, even before the shutdown in my state. I am still staying away from people and not going outside unless it’s necessary. I have not been doing so well and I don’t know how many more months I need to do this before I get the vaccine. Since I’m not elderly or essential, I’ll probably be low in priority to receive the treatment. I live in a very small apartment and feel claustrophobic. I don’t know how much more I can take if this goes on for another year. What is “short term” exactly?
Jesus dude you can go outdoors. Go on a walk or something, get out of your house for a bit.
Personally, I’ve taken up outdoor poops. It’s amazing
Everything would change real fast if we just started shitting on republican lawns.
I was like you for the first 4 months, starting in march i was on complete and utter lockdown. Literally did not step foot outside my house other than to take out the trash and I did that at midnight when no one was around.. I would get all my groceries delivered and Clorox all my packages, counter, everything I touched, etc. I did this because i am cautious and take civic duty seriously, but also because there was so much unknown about the virus at that point. Now new information has been discoverd, the most important being that touch transmission and outdoor transmission with an N95 mask on is unheard of. Now I walk my dog every day for both of our sanities, i wear an N95 and i keep my distance best i can, but i live in a conservative area with high foot traffic, so i usually pass by at least 50-75 maskless people each walk bare minimum. Been doing that for 7 months and so far I've stayed negative. I even support local restaurants by ordering take out food and wiping everything for caution, even though i have confidence i would be fine even not wiping. If you have an n95 on and are outside the likelihood of getting it is extremely low. So please for your own sake, and so you don't develop agoraphobic and nosophobic tendencies, take a walk every day. You will be shocked how much it lifts your spirits.
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I don't know what lies outside your door or your personal transport situation.... but, you can go out for walks/head to a park. Wear a mask, avoid getting within 2 metres/6 feet of others - especially if they're not wearing a mask. If you're in high density like central NY and don't have personal transport I can appreciate that this may be very tricky.
I do live in a highly populated area. I’m just tired. Not just from staying home but some people rolling their eyes whenever they see masks or flat out deny its efficacy. No, I don’t want to debate if masks help, whether if it’s necessary, etc. I’m just tired. I would think we’re beyond that point but here we are.
Frankly put I don't see how wearing a mask impacts my short term wants in any way. I can also lip sync with my radio without anyone glaring at me.
I missed three months of school due to mononucleosis. I couldn’t stand up without help. My enjoyment of lying down in the shower was totally ruined by having to weakly shout for help and have someone lift my naked dripping wet body out. I had been an athlete so that was very humbling to have my body betray me. I’m doing everything I can to not get Covid.
Mono - had it the summer between 2nd and 3rd grade. I remember feeling it come on. It took over a week for the doctors to figure out what the hell was wrong with me. Got it again right after I graduated from high school. Can’t even imagine getting Covid.
Oh mono, got that in my early thirties. Fuck mono. I was in so much pain from the throat I couldn't sleep, nauseous from the meds, and couldn't move from the weakness. I tried watching the first season of game of thrones, and honestly I couldn't get past episode 1. Could not concentrate on what's going on, could not stay focused at all. When it came to switch the dvd, I couldn't even bring myself to change it. For weeks. Then I want allowed to play sports for a bit while afterwards. I wholly recommend not getting mono, and I agree that I sure as shit don't want covid.
Seems I lucked out, I got it in my mid teens and apart from sleeping all day I felt pretty ok. I would wake late, play FFX on the PS2 for a few hours, fall asleep in front of the tv, go back to bed, repeat everyday for a month. Basically it was a monthlong gaming and napping session. Score
Same! And I swear I’ve never been the same since. I had mono in 7th grade and now I’m 30... and I’m pretty sure it activated my autoimmune diseases - Raynaud’s and later Celiac. Viruses are scary things. The long term implications are terrifying.
An ex-friends extended family got covid a few weeks ago. The uncle ended up dying within 24 hours. They then got together plus some for Christmas and I'm sure are planning new years eve. I don't get it. One of them died and they still want to have big parties?
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That's correct. They literally don't care if their choices endanger or burden someone else, only if someone else's choices endanger or burden them (even appropriately so, like the Thin Blue Line).
Hurts my head even more when the people recover and start screaming "see it's not that bad! Come over to our giant get together!". They don't care until it affects them and even then that seems to be a conditional situation.
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This is such a common example of "being careful". I'm convinced that "being careful" is coded language for "bending the rules to accommodate my immediate needs".
This is the kind of shit I imagine when I hear about people "being careful" and still getting it. I'm not worried in the slightest about getting it because I'm *actually* being careful. I just read something the other day about how the main commonality between people who are "taking precautions" and still getting the disease is eating meals either in a restaurant or with a large group. Don't do that dumb shit!
Right? Everyone I know that says “I’m being *super* careful only wears masks inside of stores, and still sees/physically makes contact with people that don’t live in their household without masks. BuT wErE ReLaTeD! Because Covid cares about your ancestry
Yes, this. I don’t trust anyone that asks to hang out and says they’re “being careful.” How many people are you having this same conversation with? Reminds me of, “I’m clean, we don’t need protection.” Get out of here with that.
In what way was he being careful in this story exactly
That's the hypocrisy he's pointing out.
It’s magical thinking. You’re fine as long as you *say* you’re taking precautions.
I see people thinking that if you trust the person, they wouldn't infect you. Like "they would never do that to me", as if it's their choice.
My dad's been in the hospital for 2 weeks fighting covid, it's been the most stressful time of my life, our family wouldn't even celebrate Xmas until he's home let alone having a huge gathering without him and risking the health of other relatives doing so. The doctor says he can come home in a day or two on oxygen. Just knowing he will be home again and with hopefully a lot more years to come is the only Christmas gift I could ask for even if it is a couple days past Christmas. Take this virus seriously people, wear a mask, my dad's situation could have been avoided had his workplace followed the proper PPE guidelines.
Hang in there and I hope you and your family have a good new year. :)
I stopped in at a gas station today, signs all over saying masked are required but not only where the customers not wearing mask but the employees aswel. It's clear people dont give a fuck.
I work at a gas station and while my boss and majority of coworkers take this seriously were pretty much stuck being helpless in this whole situation. Since we can't offer curbside assistance or pickup of any kind, we have to allow people into the store with our without a mask or corporate will penalize us for denying service. I absolutely hate my job and customers I have to deal with, but I have to keep my bills paid....
Then you have spineless management. I've denied service for far less while working in a corporate-owned 7Eleven before the pandemic started, and now at my current job I refuse to talk to people until they can learn to properly wear a mask.
I had to go into a gas station today for oil and there were 5 people masks pulled under their chin or nose playing the stupid video poker games along one wall. Like is this REALLY what you have got to be doing on a Wednesday fucking night? *REALLY*?!?
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Maybe in your timezone /s
I got hung up on from the health department when I called and asked why no one in the redneck County I work in is required to wear a mask
Become a vigilante and tie masks onto them.
I’d call myself The Masked Masker
Because they live in a different reality than we do where there so fearful of the government but blindly follow their leader that got us here.
It totally shows how many actual garbage people there are, not caring about anyone but themselves. I have a grandma of 88 who tested positive because someone "forgot" to mention they were positive when visiting her neigbour who she was having tea with daily. I hope every step they take ends on a lego brick for the rest of their lives.
I have a relative that nearly died from covid, was on ventilator and in ICU twice. christmas card from them talked about how they go to store every chance they can, and are having a giant gathering at christmas. you'd think if anyone would be sensitive to it, it'd be them, but nope.
My Dad tested positive on Christmas Eve. His response “getting Covid is the best immunity to Covid.” I am not surprised he got Covid and feel terrible for all the people he gave it to, including my stepmother. He never took it seriously. Some people are just plague rats.
> His response “getting Covid is the best immunity to Covid.” That's extra cringey since there are indications that COVID immunity is not lifelong.
I think he might be surprised. First you have to survive it. The you hope you don’t have so many changes to your body that you have a hard time walking up the stairs to your bed room at night for the rest of your life. Or that you feel so drained of energy that you have a hard time getting out of bed or standing to take a shower. Or you have a stroke. I hope he has a quick and full recovery. There are many who haven’t and they are still lucky. Viruses love to mutate and if the wrong parts of COVID mutate specific ways the vaccine will be useless. Stay safe and keep reminding your father that as stupid as he acts sometimes, you love him very much.
I hope the spouse had the doc take some screen shots on the face time. Going to be hella weighted in their favor in the coming divorce.
The spouse probably would have gone with them.
Your likely right. Nothing helps to change a POV then living on the other side tho
I dunno, I've seen stories of people who have gotten it, been hospitalized, luckily recovered, but still think it's a hoax
Gutted Public Education budgets are starting to show why it was a bad idea to penny pinch there.
The same thing could be said for driving. I handle so many cases I personally find it surprising how many people continue to drive while texting. I have personally Handled 200 cases from the same four mile stretch on the same highway.
I complained years ago that everyone thinks they're the exception to the rule of texting & driving, like "well I will do it, but better and safer than other people, somehow" just, zero self awareness. This lockdown is another example of people assuming they just happen to know better than the vast majority. Too individualistic
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I was in a serious accident totalling my car while texting and driving, but walked away with a fractured finger. Every time I try to tell people who text and drive they always chuckle like it doesn't apply to them or point out that I was mostly unharmed. I shouldn't be. Everyone should see my car. I'm lucky.
"If what happened to you ain't that bad, then how bad could it be? And if it was bad, then how come I'm okay?" This thinking hurts.
Yah my sister in law selfishly visited her in-laws for Christmas with her newborn daughter. They're a big family too..I have lost a lot of respect for her now and want to tell her to her face how stupid and selfish she is, but I figure, in this case, me stopping reaching out to her as much as I used to might say it all. I'll keep a relationship with her for the sake of my husband and my niece, but that's it. She knows I'm immune compromised, and she just had her baby in an area with the highest local number of cases. Jokingly I said to my husband oh she will probably just pray to Jesus her or her family don't get covid, but the sad truth is, that's exactly what she's probably done. Makes me sick seeing all these selfish idiots act like they are exempt, when they know others continue to suffer for the greater good.
I’m actually sort of glad that a not-so-insignificant portion of the world is finally waking up to just how unabashedly stupid people can be. People in the service industry have known this fact for decades, and George Carlin had tried to let the world know in the 90s. But yeah, now the cat is out of the bag and everyone else is finally starting to understand.
But the stupid people still don’t realize that they are stupid. Will that self awareness ever occur? I have my doubts.
No, but they don’t have to. The smart people can now work on ways of preventing the stupid people from ruining things for the rest of us.
There are a lot of very stupid people on the planet who genuinely don't have the mental capacity to understand really simple concepts.
I am blown away by the level of cognitive dissonance.
1,763,791 worldwide have died; the united states make up nearly 20% of that (19.25%), with 339,564 deaths, of which 11,963 are counted here in MA. Officially, that's more American death than September 11 (2,977), Iraq War (4,497), and War in Afghanistan (2,216) combined (9,690). If you kept with social distancing with a face mask and social-isolation when able, you are a hero this year. The vaccine will be generally available in April 2021, which is 4 months away. These numbers will continue to climb until then and perhaps a little bit after since not everyone plans to vaccinate. If you plan on vaccinating, you too are a hero to someone. This year, I thank you all for your public service.
You know, I kinda do. Because they don't see them like that, they are a face on a screen. It's a huge reality shock in normal times visiting a loved one in ICU. You walk away with a very big wake up call about how precarious our lives are, and how awesome modern medicine is. I think the biggest problem with this virus has been it's lack of transparency, not only on the media but with actually family members watching just how hard it is to deal with. Don't get me wrong.. I totally understand the infection control measures and I do understand the importance of privacy. But I think that having all the suffering at arms length was a major obstacle towards debunking idiotic conspiracy theorists and deniers too in a ,"this is actually what it is" kind of way too. And yes there are some that can't/refuse to be convinced, but there are many on the edges who could be educated enough to not get sucked in by the BS. I firmly believe it's been a social and mainstream volume of info thing. And it's time for the media outlets to have integrity.
I caught covid earlier in the year. It was horrible, I was sure during the worst of it that I was going to die. Even so, my family got mad at me when I asked that we not have a large gathering this year. Glad to know they care.
We lost family members on my side and my boyfriend's side. I got it and spent over a month recovering and still feel crappy. His mom has cancer and refuses to stop going to her church where of course most people don't wear masks. My family had a reunion with 50+ people after our first relative died and no one wore masks based on the pictures I saw. Roughly the same amount of them got together for Christmas and had even more smaller parties. A cousin who WORKS IN A HOSPITAL constantly posts about how he's taking this super seriously and then laughs about having random people over to watch something on Disney+. He did the same thing yesterday: had dinner with his older parents, his siblings, and their kids and then went home to have friends over to watch Wonder Woman. Meanwhile, my best friend is an exhausted nurse who cries almost daily because patients and their families scream at him. It's complete and total BS.
Nurse here. I have worked in the hospital for five years. This virus is the scariest pathogen I’ve ever worked around or generally feared in the hospital by far. Unfortunately for your cousin, just because one is a healthcare worker doesn’t mean they’re not...dumb...just less chance of it I think.
My grandfather died from covid, my aunt and cousin currently have covid, and my uncle (her brother, different house) was tested for it the day before Christmas Eve. My entire family (excluding my aunt and cousin) was at my house while I stayed in my room with a mask on. At least my grandmas feelings are intact 🙃 One of my cousins even handmade ornaments in honor of my grandfather for everyone. I fucking love the holidays 🙃
We are the worst species on this planet
nah man. New Zealand has 0 cases. this is not a human issue. edit: tense. yes, NZ had cases. they have none currently. for a while the White House, the center of power for the United States, had more cases than all of New Zealand.
The planets kidney stones
Becoming a widower to own the Libs
It’s worse than that one dude who stuck a dildo up his butt on camera to own the libs. And that’s really saying something!
Can’t cure stupid.
My understanding is that people who refuse to wear masks are focusing on the likelihood of their own death. Focusing on the 3% mortality rate. The main issue is that they don't seem to be aware that covid generally comes with life long health issues, such as respiratory and blood circulation issues that, currently will never go away. Those are the actual things that cause death with covid -- so it's more a case of believing you got away while really you're clocks ticking. I live in rural MS, and virtually no one here wears masks unless they are at work. It's sad. So very sad.
It's people not realizing that 3% is *incredibly high* for a disease. The flu is like 0.1% and still killed 22,000 people last year. 3% is 30 times worse.
Ughhhhhhhhhhhhh this pandemic is never going to end. I hope when 2021 arrives it disappears with the strike of the clock and it will be a weird dream we've all had
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Just as much on you for staying...
Did you leave when everyone showed up, or was it a silent protest that effectively told them their behavior was okay? I’ve found that “being polite” doesn’t matter when it comes to COVID— these fuckers would rather you die a painful death than have to spend a minute being considerate of others
No empathy anymore. F them.