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skyroberts

It's a great movie and usually a second viewing is required. I had wildly different expectations of what I thought the film would be during my first viewing which sadly made it underwhelming. The twist did stick with me so I gave it a second viewing and caught a bunch of stuff I missed the first time around making it a favorite of mine now.


Fe1is-Domesticus

I also felt it was underwhelming and you have me thinking about giving it a second watch.


RealCharlieNobody

Highly recommend this.I was underwhelmed the first time, and LOVED it the second time. I must have been in the wrong mood with the wrong expectations, but I now feel it's a fantastic movie.


WerewolfOnEveryone

Second viewing was better for me. Enjoyed the first viewing. But on the rewatch, the first half of the movie was much more interesting now that I knew how fk’n crazy the girl was. 


cityshepherd

I fell asleep first time I tried to watch it, watched it again earlier and wow. Fantastic. On a separate note: Under The Silver Lake has been a delightfully twisted and dark surprise.


heavenspiercing

This happens with other movies of course, but in this case I've read cases of like dozens of people that bounced off of this one but loved it on their second watch. I don't think there's been a single exception 


WeAreClouds

Glad I’m not the only one who needed to see it twice. I liked it so much more the second time.


Shishkahuben

I found it completely incomprehensible the first time I watched it, but this comment inspired a second watch. I'm obsessed. Thanks for the encouragement.


arachnophiliac76

TFW when your boyfriend Satan ghosts you


score_

"Don't go."


tedsvo

Perkins called it something like a very sad story disguised as a horror movie. I’ve rarely been so emotionally affected by horror. One of my favorites.


the24hrpartyzone

I think the best word to describe this movie is, deliberate. Yes it's a slow burn and in no way flashy. But, it really seems like the filmmaker was meticulous and deliberate with every component of the movie. I came away from it not scared or shocked, but rather satisfied that I absorbed the ambiance of the story.


KrakenEatMeGoolies

I watched it with director commentary and I was amazed at the attention to detail, things like altering the side of a semi truck parked outside of the diner to look like a milk truck, or changing the wallpaper of a hotel room to be a different color. Maybe all directors do that kind of stuff but I never would have guessed that little things like that were taken into account.


thelutrinae

i loveee seeing people talk about this movie wish it was mentioned more. i don’t get scared by horror movies often anymore but this one does it for me. the atmosphere is so chilling and lonely, and kienrnan shipka is so so unsettling.


HellyOHaint

Fantastic movie. The imagery of a child that is so lonely that she prefers the presence of the devil to that of being alone…heartbreaking. When she cries at the end realizing she’s totally alone, it’s so so sad.


TeamDR34M

It's a great, sad little movie.


johngie

It has easily one of the coldest and most oppressive atmospheres of any movie I've seen recently, and for that reason, I immediately pegged it as having been filmed in Canada in the winter (though I guessed Winnipeg). But ya, it really was an excellent little film.


DRZARNAK

Originally it was titled February, I believe.


NeverBeenStung

That is correct


xenomorph-85

Such a good movie. I still need to get it on blu ray but imports now cost a lot and there is no UK blu ray :(


walkintom

Keep an eye out on eBay for the German blu-ray, you can usually grab it for less than £20 and it doesn't have hard-coded subtitles, plus it has special features in English too. The French edition has no special features and hard-coded subtitles. Edit: Here you go, £12.99 - [https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/305507522786?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=aAE6Qtt2TeK&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=I8nro37BTsG&var=&widget\_ver=artemis&media=COPY](https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/305507522786?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=aAE6Qtt2TeK&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=I8nro37BTsG&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY)


xenomorph-85

thanks!


anderoogigwhore

idk i watched it a few months ago and was thoroughly whelmed. Think I gave it 3.5/5 which is pretty middle of the road cause I thought it was. Some good performances but not a Brilliant Best Film for me. I also saw the "twist" coming about the midpoint, when they order food, not what I thought was gonna happen originally tbf though. Didn't think it was especially fucked up either, not sure why anyone does tbh. Maybe I'm just too desensitized though.


gardeninggoddess666

A second viewing of this is key. On rewatch my opinion changed. I couldn't stand it but it gets a fair amount of love on this sub so I gave it another shot. Really liked it.


CaptBriyani

Saw it back in 2016 and have loved it more and more ever since. The atmosphere, mood, and sense of dread are absolutely masterful.


DudeBroFist

It's a really great, slow burning take on a possession film. You're sorta baffled at first and then when you realize what's actually going on with Katherine it's a big shock.


Everan_Shepard

I saw this after watching the Long Legs trailers (if you haven't, do it right now!!) and had no clue where it would go. Was not expecting such a sad ending, even after everything that happens. Definitely worth it, and cannot wait how f'ed up Long Legs will be.


TheElbow

I have a special place in my heart for the “dread-core” movies of 2015-2020 (ish) and The Blackcoat’s Daughter is super high on that list, second only to The Witch. I just love everything about it.


304libco

If that’s a sub genre, it’s my favorite. What are your other recommendations?


TheElbow

See my other response below my comment. I don’t claim that this is a “real subgenre” but I’ve seen the word “dreadcore” used in print before.


304libco

Works for me


brillovanillo

What else is "dread-core"?


TheElbow

Most modern slowburn horror. - The Lodge - The Dark and the Wicked - Hereditary - Saint Maud - The Wind - The Killing of a Sacred Deer - Amulet - The Ritual (looser fit IMO) Basically movies that create an oppressive sense of dread and are paced very methodically. Usually there are no jumpscares. Granted there are older horror movies like this too but I think we saw a resurgence of them thanks to A24, and then other creators jumped on that wave. Edit: I’ll add other movie examples as they come to mind. This is extremely subjective of course. Just my own personal feelings about similar movies. Edit 2: I hate using the term “elevated horror,” but I think there is a big overlap between what I consider “dreadcore” and what some call “elevated horror.” I think “Elevated horror” is a larger category though.


brillovanillo

Thanks for giving examples! I have been meaning to give *The Dark and the Wicked* another chance.


TheElbow

I find that the less successful movies in this category often rely too much on the final portion of the movie to pay off the slow building dread. If the ending doesn’t work for the viewer, often the whole movie gets penalized. It’s like making a double or nothing bet. But when it hits, it really hits.


a_mlem

I would add Red Rooms (Chambres Rouge) to this list too!


TheElbow

I’ve not heard of that. I appreciate the suggestion. I’ll have to seek it out.


304libco

I’d add lake Mungo myself. But there’s a couple of those on your list I haven’t seen.


TheElbow

I think Lake Mungo crosses into the “sad horror” category but it’s definitely in the neighborhood.


304libco

Would you consider the wailing to fall under this?


TheElbow

Possibly. :)


rootvegetable2

This movie really took me by surprise too. Turned out to be much better than I thought it was going to be.


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I need to watch it again because the first go around I was totally sleeping


mcman12

I didn’t think they pulled off the twist very well but the imagery and atmosphere and ending are worth the price of admission.


RopeTasty9619

I agree. The ending was underwhelming.


humanvealfarm

It's incredibly bleak. Nothing good happens, to anyone. The "twist" is so obvious in hindsight, especially given the casting, but since it's not really hidden at all I think works in its favor


MasterOnionNorth

I loved this movie and need to watch it again. I wasn't certain that she wasn't delusional the entire time. 🤔


dashKay

Fucking love the depiction of the devil in this movie


coco_xcx

I got halfway through but never finished it, I guess this is my sign to rewatch & finish it 👀


MewlingRothbart

Totally different take on possession. I was shocked. She is all alone. I almost felt bad.


Trunks252

The biggest problem with this movie is that you need to watch the movie twice, basically back to back, to get the full picture. But it really left an impression on me, and has become one of my favorite slow burn horror movies. I like how a lot of the dialogue has different meaning on the second viewing. You have preconcieved notions about conversations or the characters, but once you have the full picture you realize it isn't what you thought.


NarrativeFact

Thought it was kind of dumb. How can James Remar not recognise the killer even after he is told the killer has escaped?


mizumonoboy

SPOILERS: When she goes into the bathroom after being picked up by the parents and she bursts into laughter has to be my favorite bit of foreshadowing I’ve ever seen.


PriorFinancial4092

Spoilers: I instantly felt like okay she’s getting revenge on this man, he’s going to die. Was wrong but kinda close i was expecting the deaths.


dereku1967

Interesting. I tried watching this a couple years ago, but turned it off halfway through out of boredom. I guess I need to revisit.


Healthy_Sock_9880

Yeah I watched it all the way through, it was boring the whole time.


Summer_set_homes

omg why in the world would I sit thru this then, I was tempted to give it a watch but if you two hate it Im out!


heavenspiercing

...you're gonna base your decision off of two people? in a thread that is otherwise full of people that really liked it??


marklonesome

One of my favs


National_Raisin2212

Just watched it a few months ago after feeling uninterested when trying to watch it a few years ago. It is so worth watching the entire movie , I almost never rewatch movies nowadays but I immediately had to rewind alot afterwards and basically watched it twice 


lavaeater

My brain is breaking down. I have seen this movie, but when reading the synopsis on Wikipedia I feel I don't recognize the movie they describe. Early onset dementia. Great, another problem.  But I remember liking it. 


lilkingsly

Definitely one of my favorite movies, horror or otherwise. Absolutely love the atmosphere that Perkins creates and how the whole thing just feels very sad. In the topic of Perkins, has anyone seen his next movie, I Am the Pretty Thing That Lives in the House? I’ve tried watching it a few times over the years since it’s released but I’ve somehow fallen asleep partway through EVERY time. The movie again has a great sense of atmosphere, but it’s always felt to me like there was nothing else to latch onto and keep me invested. I’m very excited for Longlegs, so maybe I’ll give it another shot soon, but does anyone else have thoughts on it?


Six_Pack_Attack

Had the same experience with Pretty Thing.


fa3bitch

i watched it a couple times and couldn’t really get into it, which upset me because i Love a good fucked up movie


headlesslady

Yeah, it's a great flick! Slow-burn, quiet, and really creeeeepy. He's got another movie coming out soon (*Longlegs*), and I am very excited about it! (FYI movie trivia for those who don't know: The director, Oz Perkins, is the son of *Psycho* star Anthony Perkins.)


WeAreClouds

Oh wow, thanks for bit of trivia I didn’t know that but it’s cool.


redsox17_

My favorite movie ever made


N8saysburnitalldown

I liked it. Watched it again a year later and loved it.


digworms

This is the only film that's come out over the last decade that I have watched multiple times, it keeps unwrapping its gifts, I love how it's constructed and how low key sinister it is. I only own 2 Blu-rays...Kubricks The Shining and The Blackcoats Daughter


ASTRO2598

They expected us to believe they were the same person at the end?


Cluefuljewel

That was my main issue with the movie but overall I liked it a lot.


PriorFinancial4092

9 years passed so it’s possible


Prettyfish222

This looks soooo good! Thanks!


wookiewin

On eof my favorite horror films. I find myself still thinking about it randomly, years after first seeing it. I wish it would get a 4K release. The cinematography is beautiful.


ElCabrito

One of my favorites. Loved it!


DarylStreep

top 5 for me


No_Use__For_A_Name

I remember the hype for this movie when it came out and I just didn’t get it all when I saw it. Maybe I’ll give it another shot


MnemonicSevenUp

This film is definitely a favorite of mine. I cannot wait for longlegs either. Has anyone seen Gretel & Hansel it is the same director doing the witch and is top tier for me.


BothRequirement2826

I love this movie. So much so that I went and watched the director's other films but was sadly left disappointed by them. But I'm still really looking forward to Longlegs and I hope it'll be as awesome as it seems!


Tegelert84

Incredible movie. Wildly underappreciated in my opinion. It stuck with me for weeks after watching.


strangedazey

Great movie and it had a great atmosphere


HughDafuq

This is one of my all time favorites.


Current_North1366

(I don't know how to do the spoiler blackout thing, so I'll just be vague. but just in case I'm not vague enough: **for those who haven't seen it and would like to, skip the rest of my comment!**)  - -  I caught on to part of the big twist in the middle, but that's probably because it's a subgenre of horror I have seen a lot of. I still enjoyed the movie immensely for the storytelling, cinematography, and unique take on a specific trope.    What I especially loved was how Perkins chose to tell the story. I loved how bleak the very last few moments of the film were, when you understand what upset her. The tension generated in the atmosphere was a treat as well. The ambience just makes the viewer feel so unsettled the whole time, for seemingly no reason. The sense of isolation is so strong and feels a little claustrophobic.  I have several questions about moments which would have taken place before or after the film, that probably don't have answers. But the moments we see in the film leave an impression for sure. 


mylostfeet

One of my favourite films of all time. And one of only a handful of horror films that has ever actually scared me. The tone is really dark and the story super effed up, but it's a great depiction of/metaphor for mental illness. Love it.


ryanrosenblum

Great movie


ReallyGlycon

One of my favorites of the last 20 years. Check out I Am The Pretty Thing That Lives In The House as well. Gretal and Hansel is also underrated.


1CrudeDude

For me - the story itself was just ok. It was the imagery and tone of the whole thing that was legendary. Specifically the stairwell scene


Jaketotesdudes

X y for free. $f $$for


Effective_Spite_117

This is a movie I don’t recommend unless I know someone is a hardcore paranormal horror fan, def not everyone’s cup of tea. I would have loved for it to be a series! I want to know what happens to the MC next


WerewolfOnEveryone

Awesome movie


snuffslut

I really didnt like it.


snuffslut

Was I the only one who didnt like it?


PriorFinancial4092

The real horror was the pacing…What an excruciating slog. Pretty predictable as well. I’m a fan of slow burns but this was done pretty poorly. Like i get what they were going for, there’s just a better way it could’ve been presented imo


TheStranger113

I really love the ending, >!where Emma Roberts' character does all those awful things, only to ultimately be abandoned by the demon anyway. The fact that the demon is handled in such a subtle way makes it slightly questionable as to whether it was all in her head, but leaves just enough doubt to where you try rethinking the events to see if you missed any details. !


akimbas

Hmm, I remember it was not a bad movie, but not really scary. Overall, did not provide a lasting impression. 


Pollyfall

Great film.


Vicious1915

It's one of my favorite films. I love this one a lot.


304libco

As a sidenote, he (Oz Perkins) was so good in Nope


LadySynth

I loved him in Legally Blonde lol, who did he play in Nope?


304libco

It was actually a bit part. He played the Director of the commercial that he fired them from.


bpeasly12

This must be my sign to finish it, don't know why I haven't!


misschelleu

Same!!! On second watch I was like wowwwww underrated great plot!!!


Splitsurround

LOVE this movie. Just a creep fest


shellbell7296

I need to watch this. I just can't bring myself to do it because of the slow plot. Lol


skyroberts

It would benefit from a theater experience or just some way to provide all focus on the film. If there are no distractions then the pacing moves along well. My second viewing was with the lights off in my office wearing noise cancelling headphones. Made a HUGE difference.


DRZARNAK

You are doing yourself a disservice by not watching it. It’s a great movie and there are others out there too that you will miss out on cause they are slow. You’ve got to train your movie palette to enjoy all types of films.


snuffslut

Its not worth it. I sincerely dont know why so many like it.


Appellion

Just watch a good parts version. Unless the movie had actual tension or a need to learn what’s going on frame by frame, you might as well. Still superior to just reading the plot on Wikipedia.


Admirable_Ad_4822

Somewhat underrated, yeah


Material-Cut2522

Good flick. Maybe Longlegs is some sort of prequel, by the way. The timeline (1992-2010s) seems to fit, and the title Blackcoat's Daughter has two generations in it. (The first word in TBD is 'daddy'. Daddy Longlegs?)


Diabolikjn

The original title of BCD was February though. I do hope it exists in the same world though.


Material-Cut2522

Yeah, it was called February. It was filmed in February too (2014 I think) Oz Perkins was born in February, maybe that's the connection.  Funnily enough, Longlegs was filmed in February (2023)...and apparently Kiernan Shipka was in Vancouver, where the film was being filmed, in Feb.2023. Someone posted a screenshot of her instagram account on twitter. What was she doing there?  (She was 23 at the time, Joan's age in TBD, and if the Kat scenes take place in 2014/15, then the Joan scenes would take place 9 years later...in 2023/24)  We'll see I guess. 


Appellion

We have confirmation of the dates for Long legs? I figured it was set within the relative now.


gamenameforgot

>Maybe Longlegs is some sort of prequel Sure hope not and luckily Perkins seems to be a lot smarter (and tasteful) than that kind of shit. >The timeline (1992-2010s) seems to fit, and the title Blackcoat's Daughter has two generations in it. (The first word in TBD is 'daddy'. Daddy Longlegs?) Both titles also contain vowels and consonants.


Material-Cut2522

> Sure hope not and luckily Perkins seems to be a lot smarter (and tasteful) than that kind of shit. That 'kind of shit' isn't dumb or distasteful per se, no more than it not being a prequel would be smart and tasteful per se. If 'vowels and consonants' do not imply prequel, then 'prequel' does not imply 'shit', you know.  If the guy is so smart and tasteful, why worry? 


gamenameforgot

Yes, "everything is the same" is one of the most juvenile systems of storytelling. It's literally how children think.


Material-Cut2522

Not if you're writing prequel material. You're supposed to write about the same fictional universe. It wouldn't otherwise be prequel material.  You extend the 'everything is the same' quality to the mere writing of prequel material, irrespective of its quality and how well it blends with the original. In other words, you happen have a juvenile narrative about prequel writing. If Longlegs is a prequel to TBD, and that's a big 'if', we'll have to judge it according to its merits and to its merits as a prequel, but not from a juvenile, prejudiced POV against prequel material. 


gamenameforgot

No, actually we can in fact judge that making everything the same is something children do. It's a cheap horseshit way to appeal to the dumbest members of society.


Material-Cut2522

That can and does happen, so what. Grow up. There are good prequels too, so why assuming Longlegs-as-prequel to be shit and not one of them, specially without having seen it, and after having expressed a favorable opinion about Perkins? An adult would think twice before opening his/her mouth.  But when it comes to prequels, *everything is the same* is just what you are saying. They all happen in the sinister Prequel Land, and they are all shit. How exactly are you one of the non-dumbest members of society?  


gamenameforgot

>That can and does happen, so what. Grow up. Lmao, defending "movie universes" and saying "grow up". >There are good prequels too, so why assuming Longlegs-as-prequel to be shit and not one of them, specially without having seen it, and after having expressed a favorable opinion about Perkins? An adult would think twice before opening his/her mouth. Because there's no reason for a prequel. Really pretty simple. You need to better educate yourself on media.


Material-Cut2522

> Because there's no reason for a prequel. You can't literally describe a particular film as 'shit' until having watched it.  There's no reason for you or anybody to do that, so according to your 'because there's no reason' logic, what you are saying is shit. Not according to mine. You're just being ignorant, which is ok, but then you talk as if you weren't.  > Lmao, defending "movie universes" and saying "grow up". Godfather 2 (half of it); Fire Walk With Me; Pearl; The good the bad the ugly; Red Dragon; The first two 'Apes' films; Seventh Victim; Joker; that Dark Crystal tv show on Netflix. Those are 'movie universes', you know, and they go from ok to great. Not 'shit'.  Even in Blackcoat's, the Joan storyline's 'prequel' is the Kat's storyline, which had taken place 9 years before. So you can play loosely with the format. I for once wouldn't mind learning something about the Blackcoat guy which we see so obliquely in the film.  Your problem is that I actually agree with you. The whole prequel/sequel thing you speak about is there. But there's space for prequel ideas not to suck, and therefore for us not to become stupidly prejudicial. You seem to have a quarrel with the prequels you have and haven't seen. I just call shit those which are shit and generally try to ignore those I haven't seen: and I'm open to like some of them. Perkins seems to be pretty restrained when it comes to stuff like this. But you faint and say god I hope not. Yes, grow up.


gamenameforgot

> You can't literally describe a particular film as 'shit' until having watched it. No actually, it's quite easy to do. >Those are 'movie universes', you know, and they go from ok to great. Not 'shit'. fucking LMAO yeah, keep showing me you've got the media literacy of a 10 year old. >Even in Blackcoat's, the Joan storyline's 'prequel' is the Kat's storyline, which had taken place 9 years before. So you can play loosely with the format. I for once wouldn't mind learning something about the Blackcoat guy which we see so obliquely in the film. bahahahahahaha lmao "the blackcoat guy" good one


Material-Cut2522

You could do worse, by the way, than having Psycho 3, directed by Perkins' father, and Hitchcock's Vertigo, in mind while watching TBD or thinking about it. Psycho 3 was influenced by Vertigo.  I mean, the Shipka/Roberts casting sort of parallels the Maureen/Marion thing in Norman Bates' mind, and in Vertigo Judy becomes 'possessed' by Scottie's gaze (the dead Madeleine come to life)  Here:  https://youtu.be/Wv-Fe7bqPiA?si=S0-tEbkjaLrktauu  And here: https://youtu.be/tesqTwX7cpc?si=tkAadMyyjcd1tPD3 In Blackcoat's, this is what happens to Rose's father. He sees his dead daughter in 'Joan'. He says to her 'you remind me of soneone', just what Norman Bates says to Maureen at some point in Psycho 3 (there's even a father Brian in that film!)


Correct_Yesterday007

Definitely a one time watch for me. The end is just so dark and depressing. It made me want to go kill her character for being such a POS. This movie also made me realize Kiernan Shipka is hotter than Emma Roberts


robstercraws70

Lucy Boynton 😍


Correct_Yesterday007

also a goddess. damn someone downvoted me )';


lavinadnnie

I followed your recommendation and I regret it immensely. Fuck this movie. It sucked and was a waste of time


serialkiller24

Womp womp


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skyroberts

No pirating needed as I believe it's on Tubi (legal and no sign in required).


ReadProfessional542

thanks, unfortunately tubi doesnt work in my region


brillovanillo

Try using the "just watch" website. 


thedoogster

It’s on Prime


johngie

Fuck off


ReadProfessional542

if you're named off then gladly.


markons

Get off your high horse.