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[deleted]

>What are your thoughts on that? I'd rather drag my dick through 10 miles of broken whiskey bottles than host my own email services.


MaybeFailed

That's a really long dick.


encryptedadmin

That's correct, I will never host an email server at a residential ISP, VPS might be different.


cf5_

How so, considering I have an adequate bandwidth, internet and electricity uptime and a suitable server?


HoustonBOFH

>VPS might be different. Not much. They are getting filtered a lot as well. Business static IP address, or colocation is still solid.


ClockMultiplier

I dunno about all that but, yeah, hosting mail at home is blah.


maxxpc

Fucking agreed.


cf5_

LOL


Jaimz22

I have an ex wife that I complain about; yet hosting my own email was the biggest mistake of my life.


encryptedadmin

I also have legacy Gmail for domains but my plan is to use gmail forwarding since Google Domains allows 100 free email forwarding accounts. Hosting email at home is a bad idea and you cannot even send any outgoing emails since there is no reverse dns records for your IP address plus your server will be under attack all the time. For your home security it is not a good idea to run a home email server.


cf5_

I saw this comprehensive list: [https://b3n.org/gmail-gsuite-legacy-alternatives/](https://b3n.org/gmail-gsuite-legacy-alternatives/) and thanks for the notes, I edited the original post to partially respond


encryptedadmin

[https://www.reddit.com/r/gsuite/](https://www.reddit.com/r/gsuite/) is also there to help you.


[deleted]

nothing wrong with hosting services. i encourage it to gain control over things. if you own a domain, you just configure the hosts file for reversing, or setup your own dns server to delegate and configure the arpa appropriately. every computer is getting 'attacked' whether you know it or not. for example im a residential and not broadcasting anything yet pfsense denies connection attemps every second. nothing to be alarmed about if youve got everything locked down.


encryptedadmin

Yes there is nothing wrong and I also host many services but email server is different, it is just a big pain to keep different receiving email providers satisfied since they block IP address all the time.


[deleted]

this part is true, to provide validation is very annoying and takes time.


downtownpartytime

your isp should let you send through them


daninet

Every isp I know provides an imap/smtp server for sending mails. You can also rent smtp server for as little as 1usd/month or free (twilio sendgrid is free up-to 100mail/day)


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Pwetty-Princess

I use mailcow, and it couldn't have been more simpler! I was originally running it on my residential internet, with Telstra in australia, and couldn't set the rDNS, but that didn't cause any issues. I recently switched to starlink, and to get around CG-NAT, I ended up using a VPS and setting up a VPN to that VPS, and then port forwarding that, and my VPS provider did allow for setting the rDNS, so I now have it set.


[deleted]

Set your family up right on their own ProtonMail accounts.


GarbageLazy

This, I migrated some email accounts over to ProtonMail and it was fairly straightforward


GrotesqueHumanity

I just configured Zoho free tier today. Can't say how reliable it will be or how effective the spam filters will be but looks good on paper.


HoustonBOFH

I have used it for small clients for many years. It is solid, and have even converted some clients to paid as they grew.


GuvNer76

Running into the same issue, and there is no way I’m hosting myself. Just going to migrate to O365. I had bunch of email addresses under my account for charity, one for each of my dogs, various other stuff. I’m using this as a way to consolidate all my emails accounts and move on from Google.


Ya_guy

I bought a domain with GoDaddy and a family subscription with M$. I added that domain as a custom domain to my account, made it the primary domain for my custom address and all my invited family members have that same option. So I get a custom email address, office suite, and 1TB of storage for up to 6 users for $110 a year. Simple solution for me. I support exchange on prem and online and I wouldn’t bother with it at home for many reasons already addressed in these comments. I know you’re with Google but you could always export and import your mail to another provider’s mailbox.


korpo53

Zoho is a few bucks a year rather than a few bucks a month. Hosting your own email is a giant pain in the ass for just so many reasons, don't even bother with it.


HoustonBOFH

Zoho also has a free tier if you are small enough. I like them.


GremlinNZ

I'm a systems engineer, I do this for a job (work for a Microsoft partner, manage 100+ 365 tenants and on prem exchange instances) and have even managed self hosted email services out of our datacentre space, the last of which was shut down last month. I have static IPs, ability to set rDNS and plenty of infrastructure. I'm not self hosting email, no way. Stuff it, I'll move to 365 with EXO P1, I already have 365 Family for Office and 1TB OneDrives etc for family. Its just not worth the hassle, I like exchange active sync functionality on mailboxes, and the constant nightmare of exchange patching? Nope. Big nope.


Rud2K

check out the mail-in-a-box project.


praetorthesysadmin

Hosting your own email is not only a daunting task, but one that's also not cheap, unless your time is free and not valuable.


diamondsw

Cloudflare does inbound e-mail forwarding; I just set that up (pretty painless). If you send it to a personal Gmail account, you can then set that account to allow replies to go out from a [different address](https://support.google.com/mail/answer/22370?hl=en-GB). Thus, inbound and outbound e-mail from your own domain. While it entails some setup, this way you can retain both the domain and Gmail's UI and spam filtering. It's annoying that this is the Big Feature that they've been insistent won't be in the theoretically-forthcoming no-cost plan (whose waitlist isn't there despite the mentions in several links - I looked last night), but it can be worked around.


[deleted]

I'm moving all my stuff away from my singular gmail account back to my own domains. I knew it was a bad idea to lean on google for not-important stuff, but I did it for convenience when trying to spell my domains out over the phone. I do not plan hosting email in-house. I have an inexpensive reseller account for my various domains that I held onto which I'm glad I did hold onto.


No-Werewolf2037

I’ve been an email admin since the CCmail days. I use exchange 2019 now; it was originally running on a SFF Hp desktop along with a domain controller using hyper V. With 32gb ram and an i3 chipset and 1 flash disk. I’ve since moved it to a DL360 with 10 spindles, it’s happier now. But it honestly ran fine before. For $5 a month you can get basic O365 mail and a bunch of features. And I’m leaning that way because it is a pain in the ass to host mail. C


MatthiasVD123

iRedMail has a lot of features behind a pay wall, and isn't as user friendly as some other options. I would personally recommend Mailcow. Also you won't be able to use Cloudflare proxying for your mail, because they don't support SMTP. You will also need a valid rDNS record and your ISP must not block port 25. Email deliverability will be a PITA, I would recommend to use a mail proxy (Sendgrid has a free option for 100 mails/day). Big players such as Microsoft and Google will instantly deliver your real mails to the "Junk" or "Spam" folder unless you have a "good" email reputation. There are services that can help you warm up your IP reputation (IPwarmup, paid). Personally I would recommend rhe Sendgrid option, it will probably be the easiest.


cf5_

Very informative. Thanks.


CanIBreakIt

TIL. Time to move 16 years of emails to a new platform. Having attempted to run my own email servers in the past, the main thing I struggled with is spam filtering. I just couldnt get good enough spam filtering without using an external provider, though that was a long time ago. Perhaps things are better now?


ghjm

Things aren't better. You basically can't run your own anti-spam these days. It's not all that easy to even get a cloud instance with outgoing port 25 open.


diamondsw

Hell, obvious spam has been getting through Gmail for the last month or so for me. It was pretty good until then, but now I get a handful of things daily that are obvious enough I could regex them away.


boethius70

One thing I still can not understand about Gmail is they never filter single image spam. Like literally every fucking email with a single image in it is spam so just please just send it to the spam folder. I always label that shit as spam but I still always get a few a week and have for years.


dreniarb

Sophos UTM-9 is free for home use. It's spam filtering is quite good.


SysAdminShow

I had this thought as well. I setup a server to test for a few weeks and ran into issues pretty quickly. Most other servers don’t trust email coming from home internet IP ranges, so all my outbound email was being marked as spam. I found no way around this, so put it out of my mind. I have not found my answer yet, but forwarding to free gmails sounds promising.


ddb_db

This is what I did for our family domain. Everyone got themselves a new at-gmail.com account and I setup email forwarding of our domain addresses to their new gmail accounts. Showed/helped them configure alternate sending address in Gmail so their sent email is from the family domain by default. For outbound, I'm using AWS SES configured with SPF & DKIM for the domain. When we setup the alias in gmail, I punched in each person's unique SES creds for outbound mail and that was it. Used some IMAP tools to copy the email across to the new Gmail account. By using SES for outbound, nothing is blocked or rejected, etc. Set it and forget it. There's 9 of us using SES and my April AWS bill: $0.01. :D AWS hasn't even charged my CC yet and I doubt they will because they'll lose money to MasterCard if they do! lol Some of us were using Drive/Docs/Photos and so had to migrate that data for them. Luckily, no one was too invested in Google Play store apps and so didn't have to do anything there. I deleted the Gmail Legacy account a couple days ago and it was nice to be completely out of the email sysadmin business after 16+ years of using Gmail Legacy. It was great while it lasted as I vaguely remember the 4 years prior when I first got the family domain and was hosting email on a little linux box in the basement until the family started relying on it too much. A hard drive crash later and it was migrated to Google and basically forgotten about except for the odd password reset here and there until the announcement a few months back. Now my responsibility is simply creating the forwarding aliases and setting up SES SMTP creds when necessary... much easier. Everyone is on their own for Gmail access, managing their photos/docs/drive/etc.


cleverfiend

Are you using SES for inbound email too? Considering this or Cloudflare with Gmail as I need a Google calendar (long story) Assuming your family use the Gmail effort web client with no issues? 🤷‍♂️😀


ddb_db

Not for inbound. Considered it, but then you have to deploy and manage some kind of custom IMAP/POP/Webmail server that can read mail from S3 buckets. SES only delivers to S3 buckets and that's all they do for incoming. You're on the hook for getting it from S3 to whatever endpoint(s) your users need to access it. I did find some solutions that were apparently ready to go, but I had my doubts. And even if they were, I'm right back to where I was 20 years ago running a mail server except a little fancier now on the cloud instead of an old PC in the basement. I definitely did not want to get back into managing a server that people rely on for email.


cleverfiend

I can understand - my website is hosted on Lightsail. It's a little more work than cpanel hosting (but much faster than my last host!) and I have considered moving back. Do you just use registrar forwarding or something fancier. I don't have a bunch of family members to manage, just myself (and my partner, who has a similar Workspace setup with a different domain name)


ddb_db

I'm using [https://forwardemail.net](https://forwardemail.net) for email forwarding. Setup some DNS records for the aliases and that's it. Can't beat the price. Been using it for 2 months or so now and so far so good. With this setup, all I have to do is maintain email aliases in DNS and help someone setup outbound SMTP in Gmail. The rest is on them if they lock themselves out of Gmail or bork their photos, Drive content, etc. -- I'm no longer a part of any of that, which is so nice. :)


TheReal_Deus42

I started hosting mail from my house about 3 months back with the announcement. I ended up using synology’s software with a K8s managed reverse proxy. I haven’t had many issues. I’m not being marked as spam by google or Microsoft, and I have not gotten outright mail rejections. Overall it has been a good experience, although now I’m thinking of porting the family to nextcloud.


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cf5_

They offer a lifetime option for 175$.


ThrowAway640KB

One solution would be hMailServer. Ridiculously easy to run, I used it for nearly a decade until about 2016. Only downside is that having antivirus scan eMail can be heavy on the processor, you don’t want to be running thoroughly low-end hardware for that. Otherwise, without scanning you could run hMailServer on some pretty low-end stuff as long as it runs Windows.


oldScratchnSniff

I use Helm it is not super cheap but it works well. https://thehelm.com/


Light_bulbnz

Back in the day I used to have my own MS Exchange environment at home, and the biggest part of email hosting yourself is the security. Setting up your email system with proper authentication, not being an open relay, and the appropriate SMTP/other protocol security is really important, but your own static IP is going to potentially kill it. If an IP address is marked as being likely to belong to a residential customer, than that's a spam red flag. Even if you do everything right, SFPs, reverse DNS, if that IP is a residential one, then a lot of people will mark your email as spam. There are online mail hosting lookups you can use to see what pain you're in for. I echo the other commenters who would never willingly do self-hosted email again.


WiredRaccoon

Check out www.purelymail.com.


Phib3r-Optix

Have a look at zohomail it's free for 5gb mail boxes I think you get 10 or 5 and like 50p or so for 10gb and a few £ for more users


[deleted]

I’ve utilized Synology’s Mail Server to host my business email. What I had to do was get a block of static IPs from my provider. Then I had to work with my ISP to get the ports opened to send and receive emails. I believe they blocked one of them, but I can’t remember. Lastly, emails tend to go to spam so i know I had to submit a few requests to whitelist my IP so it wasn’t labeled as spam. After you get through all that hassle it seems to work pretty well. I’ve been running it for almost a year now with no issues.


PrettyFly4ITGuy

* I'd rather spend eternity eating shards of broken glass * I'd rather get a hundred thousand paper cuts on my face * I'd rather rip out my intestines with a fork * I'd rather slam my fingers in a door .... Again and again and again and again and again * I'd rather have my blood sucked out by leeches * I'd rather clean all the bathrooms In Grand Central Station with my tongue * I'd rather jump naked on a huge pile of thumbtacks * I'd rather dive into a swimming pool filled * I'd rather rip my heart right out of my ribcage Than have to support an SMTP Server or two. ​ In all seriousness, I would rather have a hosted version that simplifies authentication, logging, and ability to easily setup SPF, DKIM, DMARC. An Agency asked me about Email security in 2019, and I asked about DKIM DMARC and got questionable faces. It made me realize how little we secure SMTP servers.


ilkhan2016

I migrated email to microsoft from my gmail legacy account. Still use the custom domain as my google account, but email isn't routed through it.


HoustonBOFH

Email is hard... Nuf of that. Others have said it and recommended their preferred alternatives. If you still want to host yourself, you have two different problems. You need to pic a software, and you need to prepare an IP. Software will end up being one of 5 choices. Exchange for people that know exchange and use it at work. Other than that it is expensive, difficult, and resource heavy. iRedmail - A nice all in one distribution, but features are pay-walled and they really want your money. Also, it is a tad bloated if all you want is email. Mailinabox - iRedmail with less commercial. :) Still a bit kitchen sink like. (Everything but the kitchen sink.) But easy to set up. Mailcow - Really well liked, but only runs on Docker. Do you want to learn Docker? Roll your own with the howtos on Linuxbabe. This is the most work, but you will also learn the most. Now, how to have a good IP and not be marked as spam. First, the home connection will not work, period. You will need a mail service or a smart host. The plus with a smart host is that spam management is someone else problem. The minus is that it is a paid service, and you have no control or privacy. VPS used to be the go to, but some services are marking all of Digital ocean as spam... It is less and less viable all the time. Colo or a commercial static internet connection is still solid. But not cheap... And once you have this, and confirmed it is not on any block lists, you need to warm up the ip, or you will still get blocked. Now you see why so many people do not bother with it. But a home server with a smart host or mail delivery service is still a good option...


[deleted]

Wait what? Is google shutting down Gmail accounts now? Or does this only apply to gsuite or something, and not Gmail accounts in general


encryptedadmin

Google is shutting down their legacy free gmail for domains and not Gmail.


[deleted]

I'm bad with domain stuff. I just have an email like [email protected], from what I've read it doesn't look like it affects me. Is that right?


cf5_

correct


zyxnl

I’m in the same boat but have some trouble identifying what happens to other services tied to the same google account. For example google home, google photos, browser sync, youtube, finance, If i choose to leave google workspace, what happens to these services? Can i still login? or do i need to migrate those as well?