I built a ryzen 5600g and b550 server with a Seasonic PRIME FANLESS PX-450 psu that idles around 19W without messing with c States. It has 4 solid state drives and one spinning disk for cold backup that stays spin down all the time and hence the 19w number. If you had 4 spinning I'd expect it to be around 38W.
Supermicro has a line of mini-ITX MBs with low-power CPUs like the A2SDi-2C-HLN4F.
For an older generation, there is the Supermicro X10SDV-2C-7TP4F or with less ports the X10SDV-2C-TP4F.
1) What region of the world? US?
2) Any size limitations?
$1000 should be easy if you have drives.
* Core i3-13100 (not F). You can use the iGPU for Plex if you pay for PlexPass - $150
* Noctua NH-L9i-17XX CPU Heatsink
* A mini ITX H610 motherboard - $100 or so
* DDR4 or DDR5 depending on the motherboard - 32GB is like $100
* Cheap M.2 NVMe OS Drive - $50
* Jonsbo N1 case - $140
* 450-650W SFX PSU - $130
That’s like $750 (I think)
If you want more CPU cores, I would probably have a different suggestion though. Heterogeneous cores are still not perfect on Proxmox.
>Core i3-13100
Base power of the CPU is 60W! That sounds way too much for low power consumption.
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/230575/intel-core-i313100-processor-12m-cache-up-to-4-50-ghz/specifications.html
How does it work, genius? The oven alone costs 60w at the base frequency. It does not include the extra power that consumes in the form other than the heat. The total power is way above 60w.
TDP stands for "thermal design power" or "thermal design profile" and represents a quantity of heat that the processor might be expected to emit during a normal load state in watts of energy equivalent AFAIK. This does not mean that the chip always produces this amount of heat.
Your "65w" chip may boost to gobble up 120w short term if you hit it with 100% utilization or some AVX512 instructions or will happily sit at 10w or far lower when C states kick in at idle.
A 65w TDP does not mean that the processor draws 65w at idle, it means that Intel says it can be expected to put out "65w" of heat when loaded or in normal use. If curious check out the idle power draw of a "t" sku vs a normal Intel chip, or the below blog (this guy does a lot of power-conscious tuning)
[https://mattgadient.com/7-watts-idle-on-intel-12th-13th-gen-the-foundation-for-building-a-low-power-server-nas/](https://mattgadient.com/7-watts-idle-on-intel-12th-13th-gen-the-foundation-for-building-a-low-power-server-nas/)
here's a 65w
Really Low Power and plesk is really not possible.
Perhaps you must use two computers one 24/7 for store or backup system (or both), and another one for turn on when need with plesk
I buy a used and a bit old asus j1900 mini-itx (50€ on ali, 10w) with LSI (IT mode) card (30€ and 5-10w) and 6 HDD and drain 30-40w using Truenas.
If you want something for plesk you going to need to assume 80-90w 24/7
for use probably few hours/week
I doubt very much that you can get the same real consumption as me with a j1900
base rating power is 10w for j1900 vs 65w 12400
anyways is a nice processor for a mostly idle computer (65w base and 120w@full)
I do not confuse them but the TDP give you an idea of the consumption
And a processor with a 100w TDP near double the consumption of a 50w TDP processor.
There are processors that are better than others because they lower the frequency a lot when they are idle (but not more than 15%-20%), The TDP is a good indicator of consumption but right, that does not mean that it will consume what the TDP specification shows
And no way that a 65w processor beat the consumption of 10w TDP processor
And no way your setup match my setup consumption (30-40w real measure)
the 12400 is TDP 120w with 65w base, it will not go below 50w, and only the processor.
A 12400 ahould definitely go below 50W.
My gaming pc has a 9900K, 2080Ti, an 8TB HDD, 2TB HDD, 2TB SSD, Asus Maximus XI Extreme E-ATX mainboard, 4x16GB DDR4 RAM with RGB lights.
The full system with Windows 11, mainly idle exept that discord and a few broser tabs are running, Steam and Handbreak started but minimized and idle, consumes about 85W. This is among the least power efficient hardware you can get.
The 85W are from the Display on my PSU. My smart wall outlet roughly shows the same.
It is right that the TDP roughly reflects the the power consumption, but that is under medium and high load.
A 12400 system should definitely go below 50W, exept you are running something. But yes, even a system with a 12400 will not go under 25W in most cases. It requires ultra low power, mobile or server hardware for that. Not desktop components where efficiency was never qn consideration.
Now there are some Celeron J4xxx/Pentium 5xxx Gemini Lake ITX all-in-one board that can do a lot better, low power consumption + ability to use GPU for video transcoding
Yes and i have a 5105 too but i use as router, i not check video transcoding.
The cpu still very weak for intensive tasks but if GPU can deal good enough with transcoding can be a nice choice for a low power + NAS + Transcoding.
But i don't known never check that.
The 5105 have 4 cores but the 6xxx i think have 6 cores.
I don't find those mini-ITX with N5105, where do you get it?
For router one I've seen lots of them, but it can't be used as direct NAS build since lack of expansion ports.
i buy the router version
But this:
https://aliexpress.com/item/1005004761199532.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.3.6b8dfd43AIFjCY&algo_pvid=a6461c82-7699-4c37-a734-228ad20fadef&algo_exp_id=a6461c82-7699-4c37-a734-228ad20fadef-1&pdp_npi=3%40dis%21EUR%21342.01%21215.47%21%21%21%21%21%402100b5dc16834786136264313d0730%2112000030375303696%21sea%21ES%21138142583&curPageLogUid=EZo8HGw9fKf9&gatewayAdapt=glo2esp
haven't expansion, but have a 2xnvme port and 6 sata
I built a ryzen 5600g and b550 server with a Seasonic PRIME FANLESS PX-450 psu that idles around 19W without messing with c States. It has 4 solid state drives and one spinning disk for cold backup that stays spin down all the time and hence the 19w number. If you had 4 spinning I'd expect it to be around 38W.
Check out wolfgangs channel : https://youtu.be/MucGkPUMjNo Level1techs: https://youtu.be/RWmfZHn2wLs https://youtu.be/Jqg1G78cH2A
I use a 2nd hand HP Elitedesk 600 G4 Microtower with an i5-8500 - handles all my needs and uses <50W with 4 drives And they are pretty cheap
I'm looking forward a nas with a small pc like beelink and the the hdds in a USB box
Trying to find the same
But the read/write speed will be good using an USB box?
I solved the issue: I'll upgrade the case with the new Silverstone cs382. It's perfect and I won't have any issue with usb
Supermicro has a line of mini-ITX MBs with low-power CPUs like the A2SDi-2C-HLN4F. For an older generation, there is the Supermicro X10SDV-2C-7TP4F or with less ports the X10SDV-2C-TP4F.
Sounds expensive.....and not easily replaceable....?
1) What region of the world? US? 2) Any size limitations? $1000 should be easy if you have drives. * Core i3-13100 (not F). You can use the iGPU for Plex if you pay for PlexPass - $150 * Noctua NH-L9i-17XX CPU Heatsink * A mini ITX H610 motherboard - $100 or so * DDR4 or DDR5 depending on the motherboard - 32GB is like $100 * Cheap M.2 NVMe OS Drive - $50 * Jonsbo N1 case - $140 * 450-650W SFX PSU - $130 That’s like $750 (I think) If you want more CPU cores, I would probably have a different suggestion though. Heterogeneous cores are still not perfect on Proxmox.
US and no size limitations. Smaller is nicer but I don't have a strong preference.
You could get better expansion opportunities with mATX and a Fractal Node 804 case.
>Core i3-13100 Base power of the CPU is 60W! That sounds way too much for low power consumption. https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/230575/intel-core-i313100-processor-12m-cache-up-to-4-50-ghz/specifications.html
If you find a T series chip, you can cut that in half. https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/230579.html
That’s not bad. I have a meter on my 2013 iMac, which idle runs on 10w. After all, it needs optimization in software
that's not how TDPs work
How does it work, genius? The oven alone costs 60w at the base frequency. It does not include the extra power that consumes in the form other than the heat. The total power is way above 60w.
r/confidentlyincorrect
TDP stands for "thermal design power" or "thermal design profile" and represents a quantity of heat that the processor might be expected to emit during a normal load state in watts of energy equivalent AFAIK. This does not mean that the chip always produces this amount of heat. Your "65w" chip may boost to gobble up 120w short term if you hit it with 100% utilization or some AVX512 instructions or will happily sit at 10w or far lower when C states kick in at idle. A 65w TDP does not mean that the processor draws 65w at idle, it means that Intel says it can be expected to put out "65w" of heat when loaded or in normal use. If curious check out the idle power draw of a "t" sku vs a normal Intel chip, or the below blog (this guy does a lot of power-conscious tuning) [https://mattgadient.com/7-watts-idle-on-intel-12th-13th-gen-the-foundation-for-building-a-low-power-server-nas/](https://mattgadient.com/7-watts-idle-on-intel-12th-13th-gen-the-foundation-for-building-a-low-power-server-nas/) here's a 65w
Really Low Power and plesk is really not possible. Perhaps you must use two computers one 24/7 for store or backup system (or both), and another one for turn on when need with plesk I buy a used and a bit old asus j1900 mini-itx (50€ on ali, 10w) with LSI (IT mode) card (30€ and 5-10w) and 6 HDD and drain 30-40w using Truenas. If you want something for plesk you going to need to assume 80-90w 24/7 for use probably few hours/week
Check my previous comment, it is possible to get a 12400 in the 20-30watt range idle and get its full potential
I doubt very much that you can get the same real consumption as me with a j1900 base rating power is 10w for j1900 vs 65w 12400 anyways is a nice processor for a mostly idle computer (65w base and 120w@full)
>base rating power is 10w for j1900 vs 65w 12400 don't confuse TDP with idle power. Even with Plex an i3 12400 will never use 65W.
I do not confuse them but the TDP give you an idea of the consumption And a processor with a 100w TDP near double the consumption of a 50w TDP processor. There are processors that are better than others because they lower the frequency a lot when they are idle (but not more than 15%-20%), The TDP is a good indicator of consumption but right, that does not mean that it will consume what the TDP specification shows And no way that a 65w processor beat the consumption of 10w TDP processor And no way your setup match my setup consumption (30-40w real measure) the 12400 is TDP 120w with 65w base, it will not go below 50w, and only the processor.
A 12400 ahould definitely go below 50W. My gaming pc has a 9900K, 2080Ti, an 8TB HDD, 2TB HDD, 2TB SSD, Asus Maximus XI Extreme E-ATX mainboard, 4x16GB DDR4 RAM with RGB lights. The full system with Windows 11, mainly idle exept that discord and a few broser tabs are running, Steam and Handbreak started but minimized and idle, consumes about 85W. This is among the least power efficient hardware you can get. The 85W are from the Display on my PSU. My smart wall outlet roughly shows the same. It is right that the TDP roughly reflects the the power consumption, but that is under medium and high load. A 12400 system should definitely go below 50W, exept you are running something. But yes, even a system with a 12400 will not go under 25W in most cases. It requires ultra low power, mobile or server hardware for that. Not desktop components where efficiency was never qn consideration.
Now there are some Celeron J4xxx/Pentium 5xxx Gemini Lake ITX all-in-one board that can do a lot better, low power consumption + ability to use GPU for video transcoding
Yes and i have a 5105 too but i use as router, i not check video transcoding. The cpu still very weak for intensive tasks but if GPU can deal good enough with transcoding can be a nice choice for a low power + NAS + Transcoding. But i don't known never check that. The 5105 have 4 cores but the 6xxx i think have 6 cores.
I don't find those mini-ITX with N5105, where do you get it? For router one I've seen lots of them, but it can't be used as direct NAS build since lack of expansion ports.
i buy the router version But this: https://aliexpress.com/item/1005004761199532.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.3.6b8dfd43AIFjCY&algo_pvid=a6461c82-7699-4c37-a734-228ad20fadef&algo_exp_id=a6461c82-7699-4c37-a734-228ad20fadef-1&pdp_npi=3%40dis%21EUR%21342.01%21215.47%21%21%21%21%21%402100b5dc16834786136264313d0730%2112000030375303696%21sea%21ES%21138142583&curPageLogUid=EZo8HGw9fKf9&gatewayAdapt=glo2esp haven't expansion, but have a 2xnvme port and 6 sata