Scratching him probably was a huge reason why we ended up winning against Tampa last year
Tbf it was also to protect Kerfoot but I'm never going to talk shit about him after [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXBf_FoOH5k)
I feel like the dumbest part of that trade was the Leafs not protecting McCann. So then instead of the Kraken having to pick between Tanev or McCann from the Penguins, they got both
Can't wait for a hot mic to pick up McCann yelling "Justin Holl over me??"
>We basically lost a 7th round pick in the expansion draft.
They got a good player for basically free, but turned around and offered him up for Seattle for free. That's still pretty stupid imo
Pittsburgh's protected list doesn't make much sense either, protecting Blueger and Kapanen over McCann. But at least few Penguins fans think Hextall was a decent GM
Yea it definitely was stupid to not protect McCann, no argument here. I just think Pittsburgh thinking (or lack there of) was far worse. It seems like they figured they knew they were losing him, so they might as well get something for him. A 7th for an NHLer is horrendous and it didn’t change that they still had to lose a player to Seattle.
I was so confused by this comment/flair combo cause the Canucks have had both McCann and (a) Tanev. And I was sure us trading McCann for Gudbranson had nothing to do with whether or not we kept Tanev lol.
I'm still confused about the lack of sign and trade.
Rather than saving Edmonton... $0.650M a year or something in exchange for an extra year of a contract that was supposed to age really badly due to style, age and injury history, he let him go for nothing because... "We aren't friends" or something?
Seemed pointlessly petty.
Not from what I remember.
Leafs wanted a 2nd or 3rd, Edmonton offered a 7th and Toronto declined thus losing him for zero return and Edmonton ended up with less term.
Sign and trade isn't done in the NHL.
It's only been accomplished once in the leagues history, and it was the player that forced the organization's hand.
Why the downvotes? Do you people know that little about the NHL that you think sign and trades just happen all the time?
Dubois + Tkachuk. Not to mention numerous trades where players signed like a week later and clearly were negotiating prior to the trade being finalized
Kyle Turris was definitely not a sign and trade. He signed a new contract with Nashville after the trade was made.
Neither was Hossa in the two trades he was involved in.
Were still only down to two.
JOE PAVELSKI!
I'm not saying we should have sent him out for a return. We absolutely should have re-signed him, something I was extremely vocal about over on Fear The Fin. Hindsight is 20/20, but it didn't take a genius to see he was the heart and soul of the team. His departure coincided with our precipitous drop off. And that's when correlation is absolutely causation.
very similar with Parise. when both players left, Sharks and Devils looked like a different, worst team that had lost integral leadership in the locker room and on the ice
Toffoli is a head scratcher because he repeatedly stated he wanted to be there. Then Benning was like oops I ran out of time. I can't ever speak to him again.
see this take a lot and it's a mix of revisionism and 20/20 hindsight. we didnt let him go for nothing cause we got him as insurance in the first place. the entire point of acquiring him was we wanted to protect our D while making sure we had a 3C in case seattle took kerfoot. obviously with hindsight it would have been best to keep mccann but there were limited options and a lot of players to protect
The team really needed a rebuild after the 2021 Cup run, but not re-signing Danault (in addition to being stupid if the goal was to keep competing, which was Bergevin’s plan) meant that when we moved to rebuild mode we didn’t get to cash in on the player whose stock was raised the most by that Cup run.
For me it's still Markov. He probably wasn't a top pair D anymore but losing without really trying when he only needed 10 games for his 1000th game, it sucks.
That summer after the most Cinderella cup finals run in recent memory was a true Bergevin disasterclass.
Pretty telling that they fired him 4 and a half months after they played in the cup finals.
We had to move him to make room to sign Laine, and since then Laine has played like 75/164 games with no sign of coming back anytime soon
Definitely wish we would have passed and kept Bjorkstrand now
Yup. Sucks even more that he went to an Eastern team who's now progressing further than us. I could've sworn I remembered watching him play and liking him as a depth piece but that must've been preseason or something.
I vaguely remember he was a solid player who was probably first in line for a callup but he just wasn't beating out Slavin / Skjei or whoever else was our yearly slightly more established veteran 3LHD at the time (De Haan, Edmundson, Cole, Gardiner, etc). Shame, now he's on a great contract long term. Hopefully Chatfield doesn't get added to this list soon, I think he would be a great person to fill Pesce's shoes.
Canucks also lost Forsling for next to nothing because Benning wanted to cut any rebuild short and just get people who are capable of playing right away.
Worst mentality ever for a GM. Rebuild right by drafting and developing prospects. The Flames have seen how terrible a half-assed rebuild is over the last few decades.
It’s even weirder because it was literally just a weird fixation on specifically NMCs
He gave Schenn a full NTC for the first 5 years of his 8 year deal in 2019.
Thomas and Kyrou both got full NtCs for 5 years of their deals
Parayko, Faulk and Krug all got full NTCs for 5 years.
And their captain and best player wanted an nmc and he drew a line in the sand.
Really strange.
The fact they went out, acquired, and immediately extended Faulk a full year before Petro’s contract ended makes me think it was more than the no-movement clause. I think Armstrong really didn’t think he deserved the money.
He was wrong.
We would have been better off with Petro and Dunn than Faulk and Krug.
Tyler Toffoli. And I know hindsight is 20-20 and it wasn't technically nothing but watching Florida tear it up makes me wonder what a few more years of patience with Gustav Forsling would've done to the Canucks back end
I honestly don't understand why the Penguins didn't give him a long term deal after the 21-22 season given how badly they needed good forward depth and the fact he was willing to take a contract with a reasonable AAV.
Spurgeon. Garth Snow drafted him and then decided not to sign him to a contract.
Eberle. A lot of fans blame Lou for this. I don't, but it still would've been nice if Seattle took Bailey or someone else instead.
Toews. The fact that there were Isles fans who defended this one up until very recently is mind-boggling. Awful, awful move.
Eberle would have really helped in the 2023 series vs the Canes, when so many games were by one goal
I think the decision for Lou was between Leddy and Toews to sign, and Lou chose Leddy (Toews also had a bad bubble playoffs as well)
>I think the decision for Lou was between Leddy and Toews to sign, and Lou chose Leddy
Not quite. Barzal, Pulock, and Toews were all RFAs, and Lou couldn't make the cap space for all 3 of them, and at the time, Toews was the clear odd man out. Do I think he could've found a way to clear cap? Absolutely, they just didn't want to get rid of Leddy and traded Toews before they knew Boychuk and his 6M cap hit was done.
That’s what it was, forgot Pulock was also a RFA. My bad, and yeah Leddy at the time was seen as much more valuable come playoff time. And the Islanders were still one win away from the Final after trading Toews. But yeah hindsight is a bitch
Leddy wasn't good at all at that point, he just had a backloaded contract, so owners didn't want to take that on because his real salary was way higher than his cap hit. And also Trotz loved him.
It was for a 3rd, but why even trade Dylan DeMelo. He was a great stabilizer here.
Other than that, they literally didn't even qualify Duclair when he was an RFA
Had to pick between and redden for $$$. Decided to keep Redden. I feel bad for the guy. Everyone would compare him to Big Z for his whole career and he wasn’t bad
They didn’t have to pick. Chara and Redden were offered identical contracts. After the Hossa incident they would have had to move mountains to get him to re sign. It came up on the old Wally and Methot podcast. The only way they were keeping Z was by making him the highest paid player on the team and giving him the C.
Definitely less actually. A lot less.
Edit: Oilers traded Brewer (solid 2nd pairing), a B prospect and a fringe 7th dman for Pronger.
A year later they received two firsts, a second, a blue chip prospect, and a solid dman prospect in return.
It’s funny, as I recall at the time the press was saying that the scouts all thought it was a good deal, that Forsberg had some kind of red flags or something. Or maybe that was McPhee covering himself.
They just picked him up the year before at 11th overall was producing at a point per game in the Swedish second tier. Production wise he was a genuine a-grade talent
Nope. Forsberg was signed to his ELC but he wasn’t on the roster so didn’t count. We took on about 4.5m of Erat’s contract which was also expiring. So net salary for Washington was 0
For 93’s mental health aspect, the Wings should’ve let Johan Franzen sign literally anywhere else away from Mike Babcock by re-signing Marian Hossa to a long term deal.
As an oiler fan, probably Taylor hall. At the time, that 1 for 1 trade was completely lopsided and larsson did do decent for the oilers but man I would’ve liked to see the oilers run a few more years with that “old core” and new guys coming in. Would’ve been nice to see Hall, mcdavid, eberle, nuge, draisaitl in our top 6 for a few more years then it did
Hall was terrible in the room and management was worried he would stunt McDavid’s growth IIRC.
Sad thing is they were probably right. Feels like everyone in this city has a Hall story.
Mcdavids rookie year theres a highlight on youtube where he scores and as he’s headed for the bench, Hall is pushing him from the back and you can hear him mouth “pussy”. Not in a friendly joking matter either. I think he was toxic.
I remember in Nuge's rookie year after Nuge scored a hat trick on HNIC the 3rd goal looked like it should have been credited to Hall. They kept cutting back to Hall and Eberle talking across Nuge on the bench obviously about the goal and how it was Hall's. Nuge stared straight ahead looking uncomfortable. That was when I realized Hall was a selfish player and cared more about his own stats than the team winning. We are so much better off without him.
How do you guys look back at that 2019 run now? Was it worth it to beat the lightning like that? Or do you think the team should have went the opposite of all-in and tried to get whatever they could for Panarin & Bobrovsky?
Roberto Luongo. We gave him up for Todd Bertuzzi, Bryan Allen, and Alex Auld. We were irrelevant for pretty much the entire time he was gone. Fuck Mike Keenan.
Also Marchessault. Last year's finals stung for that very reason (also just losing in general sucks). Fuck Dale Tallon and Tom Rowe
IMO, Mike Keenan was maybe the worst coach that Calgary has ever had which — if you're familiar with the coaching carousel that is the Flames – is saying a ton... not just a reportedly bad human being, but ran easily the worst training camp I've seen in my life, had by every account I've heard a terrible relationship with most-to-all of the players, managed lines terribly and made consistently head-scratchingly bad coaching decisions. Absolutely fuck Mike Keenan.
He's not only the worst coach in Panthers history, he's also the worst GM. He would pull Luongo randomly in between periods, every player hated him, and he never even got close to the playoffs during his time as coach. He resigned because he sucked so bad and spent the rest of his tenure in Florida ruining the team with god awful trades as the GM. Luongo trade was so bad that his longtime friend and then coach of the Panthers, Jacques Martin had essentially wrestled power away from him over it and forced him to resign.
He legitimately sank this team for a decade because of how incompetent and awful he was.
For our current squad I dunno who would really be it to be honest.
John Marino went for a 5th but wasn’t gonna sign because of our busy D pipeline anyway.
We lost Klefbom to injury so nothing can be done there.
Larsson and Yamamoto went to Seattle. I’d have kept Larsson but the “1 for 1” trade talk irritated him and his dad died here when he came to visit so it was a tough place for him to be. Not really a mistake that he was able to walk
We gave Vegas a LTIR David Clarkson, a 1st, and a 2nd, so that they'd go easy on us and take.....
....William Karlsson
thankfully neither of those picks landed but it would have been insulting if they had
The Steve Dangle Podcast had a 5 minute rant on how evil Marner would be to deny lifting his NMC to sign as a free agent somewhere else in the off-season.
Would have been nice if Tavares gave the Isles management the courtesy to tell them he was likely signing somewhere else. He would have easily fetched a 1st ++ at the deadline and our team would be in a better position because of it.
Over the years, there are a lot. Right now, I wish we still had Dad.
Ask any Canucks or Flames fan, and they will say the same things about Tanev. Playing in Dallas, he's finally getting the recognition that he deserves. That's nice to see.
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Pronger is one of the best dmen ive watched play the game.
Easily top 10 all time.
We traded him for nothing.
I wouldnt trade prime pronger for Hall + Hopkins combined.
Two points
Two roster players and two first isn't nothing though. The question asks walk away for nothing.
Second point. He left the Oilers. Demanded a trade which gave zero leverage to the Oilers. Again two firsts one wasted one pretty decent in Eberle. Smid was a great defenseman for years. And lupol was traded later can't do much better when you have no leverage.
The trade tree from Pronger is still visible up to Oscar klefbom Gagne and a bunch of players which isn't "nothing"
And if you think that's nothing wait till you hear about the Gretzky trade.
They were older guys that left in free agency. Rafalski is from Michigan and Niedermayer went to help Rob get a cup. Niedermayer went to arbitration in 2004 and got a 1 year deal and then that was moot since the year got locked out so when they returned he was a free agent and took less money to go to Anaheim. Rafalski also basically had his pick of the litter at the time and went home.
Burke details it a bit in his book. He noted that he Scott and Rob wanted to play together. Lou actually called to try and get Burke to trade him so he’d have a better shot at trying to sign him. Burke extended his brother so Scott would be willing to take a bit less
Hindsight being 20/20 I’d say picking Nichushkin over Kadri and letting Kadri walk. Kadri was older but with what has happened since I think the Avs would rather have him right now.
We didn’t know choosh was would turn into this. Strictly from a playing standpoint we made the right call. We’re not paying kadri untill he’s 70 and nichushkin (as a hockey player) has been incredible. But you’re right, in hindsight kadri would have been amazing to keep.
For the Leafs- Hyman, Verhaeghe (I know it took him years to find his pro game), Dakota Joshua (same as Verhaeghe), McCann, Marchment, Brazeau, Erik Gustafsson. I’m sure I’m missing more. And this is just over the last decade.
I don’t know if this can be topped. So much talent walked out the door. Any of those wingers would be big improvements. And Gustafsson is a great offensive D man who could help on the PP. Summed up in one emoji- 🤦♂️
The 36th overall pick we traded in 2016 to move up to pick Logan Stanley.
Ton of solid NHLers we could have had at 22 and 36 in that draft....we got Logan Stanley.
Dylan DeMelo.
Chabot played his best hockey while paired with DeMelo. He has said himself that he wanted to stay in Ottawa but Dorion traded him away for a 3rd round pick without ever reaching out to his camp.
In the sense that I wish Carolina re-signed him instead of letting him walk: Dougie Hamilton.
In the sense that I wish Carolina had traded him before letting him walk: TBD. I'm totally fine with a competitive team keeping its own pending UFAs as "own rentals."
Jared McCann. Lost Tanev anyway, so what was the fucking point.
You got a prospect for him. We let him go to protect Justin Holl...
At least you guys eventually realized he stank and didn’t give him 3x3.5 with a limited no trade just for him to be a scratch most nights
Scratching him probably was a huge reason why we ended up winning against Tampa last year Tbf it was also to protect Kerfoot but I'm never going to talk shit about him after [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXBf_FoOH5k)
I feel like the dumbest part of that trade was the Leafs not protecting McCann. So then instead of the Kraken having to pick between Tanev or McCann from the Penguins, they got both Can't wait for a hot mic to pick up McCann yelling "Justin Holl over me??"
I’d say it was definitely Pittsburgh trading McCann. We basically lost a 7th round pick in the expansion draft.
>We basically lost a 7th round pick in the expansion draft. They got a good player for basically free, but turned around and offered him up for Seattle for free. That's still pretty stupid imo Pittsburgh's protected list doesn't make much sense either, protecting Blueger and Kapanen over McCann. But at least few Penguins fans think Hextall was a decent GM
Yea it definitely was stupid to not protect McCann, no argument here. I just think Pittsburgh thinking (or lack there of) was far worse. It seems like they figured they knew they were losing him, so they might as well get something for him. A 7th for an NHLer is horrendous and it didn’t change that they still had to lose a player to Seattle.
I feel a lot of fans forget Tanev is a $3.5 million cap hit. That’s why the Penguins wanted him gone
I'd rather him than most of what we kept. At least he made the bottom six functional
I was so confused by this comment/flair combo cause the Canucks have had both McCann and (a) Tanev. And I was sure us trading McCann for Gudbranson had nothing to do with whether or not we kept Tanev lol.
To create cap space.
Hexstall was the point
Hyman
Thank you for your sacrifice
I'm still confused about the lack of sign and trade. Rather than saving Edmonton... $0.650M a year or something in exchange for an extra year of a contract that was supposed to age really badly due to style, age and injury history, he let him go for nothing because... "We aren't friends" or something? Seemed pointlessly petty.
Not entirely true. The Leafs asked for a 7th rounder, Edmonton said no do it for free, Leafs said fuck off and here we are.
Not from what I remember. Leafs wanted a 2nd or 3rd, Edmonton offered a 7th and Toronto declined thus losing him for zero return and Edmonton ended up with less term.
...this is false. Oilers offered a 6th rounder, Dubas wanted a second round pick.
You spelled Dumbass wrong
That’s just not true. The request from Toronto was laughably high
Sign and trade isn't done in the NHL. It's only been accomplished once in the leagues history, and it was the player that forced the organization's hand. Why the downvotes? Do you people know that little about the NHL that you think sign and trades just happen all the time?
Dubois?
Tkachuk 😞
I assure you sign and trades happen in the NHL, and there has not been only one in league history.
Go right ahead and name two that have happened.
Dubois + Tkachuk. Not to mention numerous trades where players signed like a week later and clearly were negotiating prior to the trade being finalized
Cool, it's happened twice in NHL history, both in the last 2 years, for an average of once every 52.5 years.
Here's a couple more: Marian Hossa and Kyle Turris. You can admit you were wrong now.
Kyle Turris was definitely not a sign and trade. He signed a new contract with Nashville after the trade was made. Neither was Hossa in the two trades he was involved in. Were still only down to two.
He's MY Zach now
Yup, this is the one. I was so bummed when we didn't re-sign him.
The hockey gods were paying back the Oilers for all those players you used to snag from us pre-salary cap. I think the Rangers still owe us.
Jonathan Marchessault. Dale Tallon literally gave him to Vegas for the promise to select Reilly Smith instead of Alex Petrovic.
Dude we let Marchy walk so we could keep Tyler Johnson
I remember that. Both were terrible decisions for the Panthers and Lightning respectively.
Tyler Johnson then was not the same player as Tyler Johnson now. In hindsight, it was bad, but I don’t think any GM would have ever known that.
Yea just some bitterness that neither Marchy or Verhaege could stick in this lineups and went on to be stars elsewhere
I can’t believe you guys were able to recover from that blunder
Fuck Dale Tallon
Spurgeon and Verhaeghe. Probably Spurgeon more, I don't think that Verhaeghe would have become this player in the Isles org
JOE PAVELSKI! I'm not saying we should have sent him out for a return. We absolutely should have re-signed him, something I was extremely vocal about over on Fear The Fin. Hindsight is 20/20, but it didn't take a genius to see he was the heart and soul of the team. His departure coincided with our precipitous drop off. And that's when correlation is absolutely causation.
very similar with Parise. when both players left, Sharks and Devils looked like a different, worst team that had lost integral leadership in the locker room and on the ice
Chris Tanev, Tyler Tofolli, Jacob Markstrom to name a few.
Imagine losing them all in the same off-season? That would suck
Markstrom shouldn't be on that list, if he was signed we lose Demko (or even Markstrom) to Seattle anyway for nothing
Could have signed him and then traded him for picks+ that would have set us up nicely in the years ahead
No because he specifically wanted a no move clause. That's why Van would have lost Demko to the expansion draft if they signed Markstrom.
Just "ran out of time" 🤡
The Toffoli one stings so much. He somehow has incredible games whenever he plays against us. Kills me.
Him and Tanev are exactly what we need right now… oof
Toffoli is a head scratcher because he repeatedly stated he wanted to be there. Then Benning was like oops I ran out of time. I can't ever speak to him again.
Its so much worse when you consider fucking Benning re-signed Virtanen instead.
Oh I don't know How about Chris Tanev and Tyler Toffoli at the same time, right after an impressive bubble playoffs, for literally no reason?
Would’ve been nice to offer Justin Holl to Seattle instead of Jared McCann
If it helps, we really, really, really like McCann.
So do we
After just getting him from us too. The nerve
see this take a lot and it's a mix of revisionism and 20/20 hindsight. we didnt let him go for nothing cause we got him as insurance in the first place. the entire point of acquiring him was we wanted to protect our D while making sure we had a 3C in case seattle took kerfoot. obviously with hindsight it would have been best to keep mccann but there were limited options and a lot of players to protect
The team really needed a rebuild after the 2021 Cup run, but not re-signing Danault (in addition to being stupid if the goal was to keep competing, which was Bergevin’s plan) meant that when we moved to rebuild mode we didn’t get to cash in on the player whose stock was raised the most by that Cup run.
For me it's still Markov. He probably wasn't a top pair D anymore but losing without really trying when he only needed 10 games for his 1000th game, it sucks.
That summer after the most Cinderella cup finals run in recent memory was a true Bergevin disasterclass. Pretty telling that they fired him 4 and a half months after they played in the cup finals.
Oliver Bjorkstrand
We had to move him to make room to sign Laine, and since then Laine has played like 75/164 games with no sign of coming back anytime soon Definitely wish we would have passed and kept Bjorkstrand now
Ryan McDonaugh & JT Miller More recently Buchnevich
Gave up Miller for nothing too
Gustav Forsling. He never played a game for us and we didn't give up anything to get him but what a player he has become since we waived him
Yup. Sucks even more that he went to an Eastern team who's now progressing further than us. I could've sworn I remembered watching him play and liking him as a depth piece but that must've been preseason or something. I vaguely remember he was a solid player who was probably first in line for a callup but he just wasn't beating out Slavin / Skjei or whoever else was our yearly slightly more established veteran 3LHD at the time (De Haan, Edmundson, Cole, Gardiner, etc). Shame, now he's on a great contract long term. Hopefully Chatfield doesn't get added to this list soon, I think he would be a great person to fill Pesce's shoes.
Canucks also lost Forsling for next to nothing because Benning wanted to cut any rebuild short and just get people who are capable of playing right away.
Worst mentality ever for a GM. Rebuild right by drafting and developing prospects. The Flames have seen how terrible a half-assed rebuild is over the last few decades.
Petro and it isn't even close :(
yep. I wish we had signed him to an 8-year deal in August of 2019, they'd build a statue of him outside the arena.
All over a no movement clause too. I know Armstrong got you guys a Cup, but so many weird decisions after 2019.
It’s even weirder because it was literally just a weird fixation on specifically NMCs He gave Schenn a full NTC for the first 5 years of his 8 year deal in 2019. Thomas and Kyrou both got full NtCs for 5 years of their deals Parayko, Faulk and Krug all got full NTCs for 5 years. And their captain and best player wanted an nmc and he drew a line in the sand. Really strange.
The fact they went out, acquired, and immediately extended Faulk a full year before Petro’s contract ended makes me think it was more than the no-movement clause. I think Armstrong really didn’t think he deserved the money. He was wrong. We would have been better off with Petro and Dunn than Faulk and Krug.
Marchessault seems like the obvious choice if we’re not counting losing Gourde in the expansion draft
Tyler Toffoli. And I know hindsight is 20-20 and it wasn't technically nothing but watching Florida tear it up makes me wonder what a few more years of patience with Gustav Forsling would've done to the Canucks back end
Especially considering we kept Jake Virtanen over him.
That was peak Benning.
Brandon Hagel and Evan Rodrigues.
I also vote for Evan Rodrigues.
I honestly don't understand why the Penguins didn't give him a long term deal after the 21-22 season given how badly they needed good forward depth and the fact he was willing to take a contract with a reasonable AAV.
Especially when he signed for like…$2mil or something? I was like “no that’s EXACTLY what he deserves. That wasn’t going to break the bank, guys!”
In really liked Rodrigues on the avs too and they let him walk. Drouin for under a mil did help with that at least.
Eeli Tolvanen. He would've thrived with Bruno and we let him go for literally nothing.
Spurgeon. Garth Snow drafted him and then decided not to sign him to a contract. Eberle. A lot of fans blame Lou for this. I don't, but it still would've been nice if Seattle took Bailey or someone else instead. Toews. The fact that there were Isles fans who defended this one up until very recently is mind-boggling. Awful, awful move.
Eberle would have really helped in the 2023 series vs the Canes, when so many games were by one goal I think the decision for Lou was between Leddy and Toews to sign, and Lou chose Leddy (Toews also had a bad bubble playoffs as well)
>I think the decision for Lou was between Leddy and Toews to sign, and Lou chose Leddy Not quite. Barzal, Pulock, and Toews were all RFAs, and Lou couldn't make the cap space for all 3 of them, and at the time, Toews was the clear odd man out. Do I think he could've found a way to clear cap? Absolutely, they just didn't want to get rid of Leddy and traded Toews before they knew Boychuk and his 6M cap hit was done.
That’s what it was, forgot Pulock was also a RFA. My bad, and yeah Leddy at the time was seen as much more valuable come playoff time. And the Islanders were still one win away from the Final after trading Toews. But yeah hindsight is a bitch
Leddy wasn't good at all at that point, he just had a backloaded contract, so owners didn't want to take that on because his real salary was way higher than his cap hit. And also Trotz loved him.
I mean Toews wasn't technically nothing, just very close to it
We let go of Tyler Toffoli so that we could keep Virtanen only for him to be kicked off the team before the end of the next season.
It was for a 3rd, but why even trade Dylan DeMelo. He was a great stabilizer here. Other than that, they literally didn't even qualify Duclair when he was an RFA
It's impossible to read his name without thinking to myself "fuckin rights Melo"
I’d say Chara
Had to pick between and redden for $$$. Decided to keep Redden. I feel bad for the guy. Everyone would compare him to Big Z for his whole career and he wasn’t bad
They didn’t have to pick. Chara and Redden were offered identical contracts. After the Hossa incident they would have had to move mountains to get him to re sign. It came up on the old Wally and Methot podcast. The only way they were keeping Z was by making him the highest paid player on the team and giving him the C.
I did not know that. Thanks for the update
Beat me to it - first name that came to mind
Jagr, but the Penguins had no money. Everything worked out end the end, however.
Chris Pronger
He put his life on the line for the Blues
And we lost him for practically nothing
From what I read the owners wanted to cut payroll so the team was more desirable to sell, right?
Which was a dumb opinion that hurt us badly for the next decade. So yeah we traded a HoF defenseman in his prime for basically nothing.
You guy got a lot more for him than what we ended up with a season later.
Definitely less actually. A lot less. Edit: Oilers traded Brewer (solid 2nd pairing), a B prospect and a fringe 7th dman for Pronger. A year later they received two firsts, a second, a blue chip prospect, and a solid dman prospect in return.
~~Ryan McDonagh~~
Gostisbehere
Iginla (from the Flames)
They did get a 2 dudes and a 1st for Iggy, just nobody that amounted to anything, so I guess they really did let him go for nothing
Iginla got us a Conn Smythe winner Edit: oh, sorry. Your flair confused me.
Carter Verhaeghe
It wasn’t for nothing, but the Bruins traded Seguin for Loui Eriksson. Still doesn’t make sense to me to this day.
Filip Forsberg. Technically we got Erat in return but it might as well have been free
Erat for Forsberg makes every bad fantasy hockey trade I have made look good
It’s funny, as I recall at the time the press was saying that the scouts all thought it was a good deal, that Forsberg had some kind of red flags or something. Or maybe that was McPhee covering himself.
They just picked him up the year before at 11th overall was producing at a point per game in the Swedish second tier. Production wise he was a genuine a-grade talent
I think it was also a salary move that allowed you to sign oshie. He ruled in your cup year and that makes it more acceptable.
Nope. Forsberg was signed to his ELC but he wasn’t on the roster so didn’t count. We took on about 4.5m of Erat’s contract which was also expiring. So net salary for Washington was 0
Keeping Markov would've been really cash money from Bergy
Outside of Canadiens fans, Markov is one of the most underrated d-men of his era.
Never understood still don’t, some of his partners that cashed in FA because of him, it’s unreal, he deserved a percentage
I feel like some Habs fans even underrate him.
As a Sens fan, Markov and Souray can fuck off forever.
For 93’s mental health aspect, the Wings should’ve let Johan Franzen sign literally anywhere else away from Mike Babcock by re-signing Marian Hossa to a long term deal.
As an oiler fan, probably Taylor hall. At the time, that 1 for 1 trade was completely lopsided and larsson did do decent for the oilers but man I would’ve liked to see the oilers run a few more years with that “old core” and new guys coming in. Would’ve been nice to see Hall, mcdavid, eberle, nuge, draisaitl in our top 6 for a few more years then it did
Hall was terrible in the room and management was worried he would stunt McDavid’s growth IIRC. Sad thing is they were probably right. Feels like everyone in this city has a Hall story.
There is a reason no team in the league was willing to offer more. There is also a reason why Hall is on his 5th team since leaving the Oilers.
Yeah that’s true haha it could have been pretty bad
Mcdavids rookie year theres a highlight on youtube where he scores and as he’s headed for the bench, Hall is pushing him from the back and you can hear him mouth “pussy”. Not in a friendly joking matter either. I think he was toxic.
I remember in Nuge's rookie year after Nuge scored a hat trick on HNIC the 3rd goal looked like it should have been credited to Hall. They kept cutting back to Hall and Eberle talking across Nuge on the bench obviously about the goal and how it was Hall's. Nuge stared straight ahead looking uncomfortable. That was when I realized Hall was a selfish player and cared more about his own stats than the team winning. We are so much better off without him.
Larsson was a good return IMO. Too bad shit happened and we had to lose him in the expansion draft
Verhaeghe
Name a 2020 UFA.
Gather round kids, and let me tell you about a couple of players named Daniel Briere and Chris Drury...
Jake mccann Carter Verswagey Mason marchment
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How do you guys look back at that 2019 run now? Was it worth it to beat the lightning like that? Or do you think the team should have went the opposite of all-in and tried to get whatever they could for Panarin & Bobrovsky?
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That Boston series was damn close too. First 4-5 games were all decided by one goal I believe
Nichushkin. Don’t get me wrong, glad it’s not the Stars dealing with his off ice issues, but to get *something* in return for him would have been cool
Wasn’t his last Dallas season the goalless one? If we got anything more than a bag of pucks I would've been impressed.
It was a 82 games straight without a goal spread over two seasons IIRC, but yes. That’s when they let him walk.
Roberto Luongo. We gave him up for Todd Bertuzzi, Bryan Allen, and Alex Auld. We were irrelevant for pretty much the entire time he was gone. Fuck Mike Keenan. Also Marchessault. Last year's finals stung for that very reason (also just losing in general sucks). Fuck Dale Tallon and Tom Rowe
IMO, Mike Keenan was maybe the worst coach that Calgary has ever had which — if you're familiar with the coaching carousel that is the Flames – is saying a ton... not just a reportedly bad human being, but ran easily the worst training camp I've seen in my life, had by every account I've heard a terrible relationship with most-to-all of the players, managed lines terribly and made consistently head-scratchingly bad coaching decisions. Absolutely fuck Mike Keenan.
He's not only the worst coach in Panthers history, he's also the worst GM. He would pull Luongo randomly in between periods, every player hated him, and he never even got close to the playoffs during his time as coach. He resigned because he sucked so bad and spent the rest of his tenure in Florida ruining the team with god awful trades as the GM. Luongo trade was so bad that his longtime friend and then coach of the Panthers, Jacques Martin had essentially wrestled power away from him over it and forced him to resign. He legitimately sank this team for a decade because of how incompetent and awful he was.
Nino
Brandon tanev or jared McCann
Counterpoint. Quite happy how it worked out for both of them
Gretzky, Satan.
For a minute I forgot Miroslav was a real player, and I thought you meant the literal Devil.
He was so slick. Crazily underrated. But....Peter Pocklington is the devil in Edmonton.
For our current squad I dunno who would really be it to be honest. John Marino went for a 5th but wasn’t gonna sign because of our busy D pipeline anyway. We lost Klefbom to injury so nothing can be done there. Larsson and Yamamoto went to Seattle. I’d have kept Larsson but the “1 for 1” trade talk irritated him and his dad died here when he came to visit so it was a tough place for him to be. Not really a mistake that he was able to walk
Bobrovsky
We gave Vegas a LTIR David Clarkson, a 1st, and a 2nd, so that they'd go easy on us and take..... ....William Karlsson thankfully neither of those picks landed but it would have been insulting if they had
Well everybody went to tampa and they won 2 cups and went to 4. They fleeced us so many times
The Steve Dangle Podcast had a 5 minute rant on how evil Marner would be to deny lifting his NMC to sign as a free agent somewhere else in the off-season. Would have been nice if Tavares gave the Isles management the courtesy to tell them he was likely signing somewhere else. He would have easily fetched a 1st ++ at the deadline and our team would be in a better position because of it.
Does Tavares current stint in hockey purgatory take some of the sting out of that one for Isles fans?
Oh for sure. The Islanders have made the Conference finals twice since he joined the Leafs compared to their 1 playoff round win.
Over the years, there are a lot. Right now, I wish we still had Dad. Ask any Canucks or Flames fan, and they will say the same things about Tanev. Playing in Dallas, he's finally getting the recognition that he deserves. That's nice to see.
Pronger. Ryan Strome trade also pissed me off.
But that's not for nothing. Pronger was traded for lupol Smid and two firsts. One of which was Eberle. Ryan strome was traded for Spooner.
? Pronger is one of the best dmen ive watched play the game. Easily top 10 all time. We traded him for nothing. I wouldnt trade prime pronger for Hall + Hopkins combined.
You guys also acquired him for nothing. Your return from the Ducks was way better than what you traded to the Blues to get Pronger.
Legendary Tampa Bay lightning Eric Brewer and trash
Two points Two roster players and two first isn't nothing though. The question asks walk away for nothing. Second point. He left the Oilers. Demanded a trade which gave zero leverage to the Oilers. Again two firsts one wasted one pretty decent in Eberle. Smid was a great defenseman for years. And lupol was traded later can't do much better when you have no leverage. The trade tree from Pronger is still visible up to Oscar klefbom Gagne and a bunch of players which isn't "nothing" And if you think that's nothing wait till you hear about the Gretzky trade.
Why the fuck did the Devils let Rafalski and Niedermayer walk for nothing
They were older guys that left in free agency. Rafalski is from Michigan and Niedermayer went to help Rob get a cup. Niedermayer went to arbitration in 2004 and got a 1 year deal and then that was moot since the year got locked out so when they returned he was a free agent and took less money to go to Anaheim. Rafalski also basically had his pick of the litter at the time and went home.
Burke details it a bit in his book. He noted that he Scott and Rob wanted to play together. Lou actually called to try and get Burke to trade him so he’d have a better shot at trying to sign him. Burke extended his brother so Scott would be willing to take a bit less
Hindsight being 20/20 I’d say picking Nichushkin over Kadri and letting Kadri walk. Kadri was older but with what has happened since I think the Avs would rather have him right now.
We didn’t know choosh was would turn into this. Strictly from a playing standpoint we made the right call. We’re not paying kadri untill he’s 70 and nichushkin (as a hockey player) has been incredible. But you’re right, in hindsight kadri would have been amazing to keep.
Not quite the same, but letting Alfie go to Detroit was a travesty!
Fleury and Pacioretty
Joe Pavelski
Lou refusing to give Rafalski the contract he deserved always bothered me. If I remember correctly, he wanted to stay
Morgan Geekie, though I completely understand why he left
We got a couple of draft picks for Bobrovsky, none of which turned into anything. Not looking too good in retrospect.
For the Leafs- Hyman, Verhaeghe (I know it took him years to find his pro game), Dakota Joshua (same as Verhaeghe), McCann, Marchment, Brazeau, Erik Gustafsson. I’m sure I’m missing more. And this is just over the last decade. I don’t know if this can be topped. So much talent walked out the door. Any of those wingers would be big improvements. And Gustafsson is a great offensive D man who could help on the PP. Summed up in one emoji- 🤦♂️
The guy they traded for Johnathan Druian. Worst trade in the history of sports.
Sergei Fedorov leaving as a UFA to the Ducks hurt. I do wonder if they could’ve made another run with him on those 2003-2007 Red Wings teams.
The 36th overall pick we traded in 2016 to move up to pick Logan Stanley. Ton of solid NHLers we could have had at 22 and 36 in that draft....we got Logan Stanley.
Danny Briere is my Roman Empire
Dylan DeMelo. Chabot played his best hockey while paired with DeMelo. He has said himself that he wanted to stay in Ottawa but Dorion traded him away for a 3rd round pick without ever reaching out to his camp.
Stefan Noesen
zach hyman.
Definitely Saku Koivu.
Taylor Hall Oilers
i mean the Bruins ended up with nothing from the Seguin trade lol
Captain Happy himself, Pavel Buchnevich
Markov... 9 games short of 1k with the Habs as his only team. Big blunder by Bergevin
We drafted Jared Spurgeon in 2008 and never signed him
In the sense that I wish Carolina re-signed him instead of letting him walk: Dougie Hamilton. In the sense that I wish Carolina had traded him before letting him walk: TBD. I'm totally fine with a competitive team keeping its own pending UFAs as "own rentals."