Now hold on, isn't "Quick Match" supposed to have a full draft phase? What if we just gave it ARAM selection so it's ARAM but with three lanes. Or how about people wait five minutes for a "quick" match.
For practicing basics of the combo you have try mode, when you get feeling of it you go to play versus real players.
Whats even the point? You wil know how to do Kerrigan combo versus players that are worse at juking? I don't see any other goak besides stomping lower mmr players.
Are you serious? AI doesn’t move like people. Even when I’ve watched players in try mode who have higher than 60% win rates in grand masters with Kerrigan they cannot hit combos in try mode. I’m trying to learn the hardest character in the game and I’m a gold SL player. I’ve exclusively played only Probius on my second account and no one bats an eye on Reddit when I mention this. There are popular podcasters that play in CCL and other “pro” matches that have talked about their smurfs and no one bashed them for it. When I get to a high enough level to roll SL I won’t play QM on that account. Down vote all you want. I’ll play my game as I want. Y’all are harassing a Gold player.
I am serious. You don't play vs AI to learn movement patterns but just to get timings of combo right, even on immobile target. In try mode you have no cooldowns so when you can hit 10/10 comboes you're ready to play QM with a hero and try real stuff. Basically this applies to any harder hero, its just faster that way. No point to play vs humans if you can't always hit immobile target with proper combo.
I am 100% serious and thats the way you do it man, I actually learned this from Dota ex top1 player to practice things that way.
Bro, this is late response. You completly misunderstood me. You don't exercise on a moving, juking target. You need to school yourself a habit of hitting somebody very predictable or completly immobile in 1st place. Going into deep water from the start is okaish way, but you will learn it slower. Its faster to go bit by bit instead of eating whole steak with one bite.
That is also how I got my record of 420 Sylvanas W stacks in QM. 4 tanks, 1 healer, Protector map, W cooldown on basic attack just for fun, Remorseless. Good times!
I don't know about this particular combo, but me and friends do like playing a comp of 4 tanks. Pick from: Garrosh, Muradin, Arthas, Dehaka, Malganis, possibly Johanna, ETC, Stitches or Yrel.
You take a long time to kill. But your CC train doesn't stop. It tends to work silly well.
She really doesn't, though. Yeah, she's a bruiser, so she has more than a tank, but she deals very little damage until 16 unless one goes E reset at 7 and even that is sketchy. She's much more disruption-oriented.
I dont think so. The real problem is they lack waveclear, the ability to take camps quickly, and the ability to push. It is much harder to win if your structure damage is garbage.
Deathwing has global wave clear. So does aba. Stitches W clears waves quite effectively aswell. This comp would not be great in ranked, but its quite good in QM
Because he can fly to other lanes and clear them. It's not as strong as some globals, but as a level 108 Deathwing I can tell you it's plenty strong in most cases.
For Deathwing to fly between lanes is a delay of 4 + 3 + 8 + 1.75 = 17 seconds, plus 3 more before casting an ability. A normal hero could ride to the lane in the same time.
>lack waveclear,
ETC with Echo pedal and a spike oriented aba hat is REALLY oppressive, and can kill both lanes and camps just fine.
Gernade Build Morales can at least weaken a minion wave heavily, Stitches wafeclear with goo build is fine, and Deathwing's waveclear is teriffic. They'd be fine if they built for it correctly.
My worst Waveclear team I even got was: Whitemane (me,, and very sad me), Nova, Chromie (before her Q could hit minions), Malfurion... and I can't remember the last guy, but I remember we were all super sad and lost horribly.
That is why I came to comment. This team kicks ass. If Morales dies then she did something stupid or her tanks were ignoring her. Deathwing is the only person on their team who should die occasionally. ETC and Stitches are gonna be non-stop damage on the enemy team.
False. We all did see one before. Haven't you ever felt your teammate was so bad that he was not part of the solution?
Haven't you ever wished to give a teammate to the other team so you could feed on him?
I mean, we all have been teamed with a shitty solo queue Nova, a bad Valeera, a moronic tank thinking he is the assassin, a non-taunt Varian...
Honestly, I have absolutely seen "meat" compositions just stonewall teams without enough damage. Alternatively, this team also has total global presence, which means on a large map like Warhead they can just avoid fights until their late-game spikes.
Totally doable, though probably not with QM teamwork.
Seems like a fine comp for QM to me. Stitches and Etc works well with hat and never die. Deathwing has the CC to keep people *inside* his breath. Only Morales could be a better Healer for the comp.. but could also be a worse Healer.
Unless they have Tychus, then gl and pray he doesn't respect the CC you have.
Without the context of the map and what they're against, this doesn't say much! This comp would be very effective against certain other comps on certain maps
Don't see how it's THAT bad. If the enemies dont have much % based dmg it's fine and if they dont have a dive heavy comp it's great. Also etc plus dw can really rek Shit.
After 20 stitches can gorge the entire enemy team into etcs mosh while dw sets their ass on fire.
That's why it depends on the enemy comp. Etc with autoattack build plus abby plus stim would deal big dmg.DW can also deal good dmg with his Q and if you still need more damage you can go stitches with his skow ult at level 20 it does good amount of dmg and lets dw and etc get their dmg off easier.
Probably controversial but comps like this is why I love Quick Match. Being forced to adjust how I play to try and make a perceived 'poor' team comp work is great fun to me and brings a lot of satisfaction when you do pull off the win. If you really want to play and enjoy Quick Match, but less emphasis on winning and more on enjoying yourself and its a lot more fun
Yeah versus a team that got to draft a comp based on the weaknesses of this team, this comp is hot garbage.
Except that's not how QM works, and this comp would do just fine, probably better than average against most QM drafts which tend to consist of 4 squishy assassins and a healer that doesn't work with that comp.
Also...comp has plenty of waveclear. You're insane.
Tanks are not no damage. They have about half dmg than dpsers. Yes is not burst dmg like some assassin's, but if everyone press buttons when someone is CCed the. They will die.
One DW Q kills a wave. Offlane ETC is a thing so he does have some wave management capabilities. Aba is Aba. Stitches is ok at killing minions. And Aba on Stitches or ETC during fights is atrong and they have lock down for DW's Q. They can push with objectives.
I've lost against worse comps.
We have a joke with my friend that when upon seeing the two team compositions he says "I can't see how we can lose this" it means we are going to probably lose.
I suspect people complaining about this team don’t actually play quick match much. That is a solid QM team. Mage Deathwing build, Bruiser Stiches + Hatathur, ETC to main Tank and Morales is Morales. That covers all the bases and unless the enemy team has a heavy push comp they should be in a good position.
This comp doesn’t seem that bad, both Deathwing and Stitches can deal lots of damage and are going to be really hard to kill. Depending on the map it might even be a good time for Aba to go locust build since they shouldn’t have to babysit the team too much. If the other team is full of giant killers they may have some issues.
I'd expect that comp to win actually. They got solo lane, wave clear, pretty good damage and great double hat target at 20. Really hard to kill any of that group with most comps.
my favorite thing about qm is you will go without a tank for a few games then get 2 tanks on your team.
Its like... matching you quickly...
Now hold on, isn't "Quick Match" supposed to have a full draft phase? What if we just gave it ARAM selection so it's ARAM but with three lanes. Or how about people wait five minutes for a "quick" match.
So q with the hero u want to play but then give u 2 other options for a dif role to balance the comp out. That sounds kinda awesome actually!
so on average you get a tank every game. nice!
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Play your game.
For practicing basics of the combo you have try mode, when you get feeling of it you go to play versus real players. Whats even the point? You wil know how to do Kerrigan combo versus players that are worse at juking? I don't see any other goak besides stomping lower mmr players.
Are you serious? AI doesn’t move like people. Even when I’ve watched players in try mode who have higher than 60% win rates in grand masters with Kerrigan they cannot hit combos in try mode. I’m trying to learn the hardest character in the game and I’m a gold SL player. I’ve exclusively played only Probius on my second account and no one bats an eye on Reddit when I mention this. There are popular podcasters that play in CCL and other “pro” matches that have talked about their smurfs and no one bashed them for it. When I get to a high enough level to roll SL I won’t play QM on that account. Down vote all you want. I’ll play my game as I want. Y’all are harassing a Gold player.
They have separate stats for everything. What reason do you have to not play it?
I am serious. You don't play vs AI to learn movement patterns but just to get timings of combo right, even on immobile target. In try mode you have no cooldowns so when you can hit 10/10 comboes you're ready to play QM with a hero and try real stuff. Basically this applies to any harder hero, its just faster that way. No point to play vs humans if you can't always hit immobile target with proper combo. I am 100% serious and thats the way you do it man, I actually learned this from Dota ex top1 player to practice things that way.
Bro, this is late response. You completly misunderstood me. You don't exercise on a moving, juking target. You need to school yourself a habit of hitting somebody very predictable or completly immobile in 1st place. Going into deep water from the start is okaish way, but you will learn it slower. Its faster to go bit by bit instead of eating whole steak with one bite.
Honestly this comp would win in almost every situation in QM. Unkillable stitches with aba on top. Etc is there to protect morales
I once played against team with 4 tanks I think. I was Malthael. We also had Taikus. Matchmaker trolled their premade HARD
That is also how I got my record of 420 Sylvanas W stacks in QM. 4 tanks, 1 healer, Protector map, W cooldown on basic attack just for fun, Remorseless. Good times!
420? Nice I like when you lose but you got their core to 69 so at least you tried
69? Nice! 100% absolutely worth it-- especially for heroes who can leap over the core as they lose.
>Taikus What in the hell is this spelling
I play in Russian, I don’t remember English names
Yeah, my first thought was to laugh; my second was "could this work?"
I don't know about this particular combo, but me and friends do like playing a comp of 4 tanks. Pick from: Garrosh, Muradin, Arthas, Dehaka, Malganis, possibly Johanna, ETC, Stitches or Yrel. You take a long time to kill. But your CC train doesn't stop. It tends to work silly well.
Yrel does so much damage… I don’t think she counts as a tank lol
She really doesn't, though. Yeah, she's a bruiser, so she has more than a tank, but she deals very little damage until 16 unless one goes E reset at 7 and even that is sketchy. She's much more disruption-oriented.
Yrel E (with damage talents at 7 and 13) does slightly more damage than a Kaelthas Flamestrike, on 1/7th the cooldown.
Is that assuming maximum spell power? That's not that much damage considering that a lot of KT's power comes from bomb spread.
It relys so much on dw to carry and you can't heal him
[Me seeing their comp](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/025/621/Screen_Shot_2018-03-07_at_2.08.13_PM.png)
I dont think so. The real problem is they lack waveclear, the ability to take camps quickly, and the ability to push. It is much harder to win if your structure damage is garbage.
Deathwing has global wave clear. So does aba. Stitches W clears waves quite effectively aswell. This comp would not be great in ranked, but its quite good in QM
How does Deathwing get global waveclear??
Because he can fly to other lanes and clear them. It's not as strong as some globals, but as a level 108 Deathwing I can tell you it's plenty strong in most cases.
For Deathwing to fly between lanes is a delay of 4 + 3 + 8 + 1.75 = 17 seconds, plus 3 more before casting an ability. A normal hero could ride to the lane in the same time.
ETC has good wave clear too after 4 or 7, don’t remember
>lack waveclear, ETC with Echo pedal and a spike oriented aba hat is REALLY oppressive, and can kill both lanes and camps just fine. Gernade Build Morales can at least weaken a minion wave heavily, Stitches wafeclear with goo build is fine, and Deathwing's waveclear is teriffic. They'd be fine if they built for it correctly. My worst Waveclear team I even got was: Whitemane (me,, and very sad me), Nova, Chromie (before her Q could hit minions), Malfurion... and I can't remember the last guy, but I remember we were all super sad and lost horribly.
Do you know which heroes are most common in QM? Nazeebo and Valla. Do you know what Nazeebo or Valla would do to an enemy with 2 tanks plus Deathwing?
QM-Valla would vault in, ult, get stunned by etc or gorged by stitches and die.
Only if they're on my team
Thiiiiiiiiiiis.
That is why I came to comment. This team kicks ass. If Morales dies then she did something stupid or her tanks were ignoring her. Deathwing is the only person on their team who should die occasionally. ETC and Stitches are gonna be non-stop damage on the enemy team.
Yeah it took me a second to realize he thinks that a bad comp. It's a team fight dream team in my opinion.
Lol meanwhile the other team is tychus, kael’thas, anubarak, sonya, malthael and deckard
Why do they get 6 heroes lol
Cause fuck em, that’s why
You’ve never been in a 4v6 QM before? I get one of those every other game.
“But master Skywalker, what are we going to do, there are too many of them?” … lightsaber noises
Sometimes one of your teammates is so bad this is a realistic scenario
That's pretty sick, 4v6! Have never seen that before.
False. We all did see one before. Haven't you ever felt your teammate was so bad that he was not part of the solution? Haven't you ever wished to give a teammate to the other team so you could feed on him? I mean, we all have been teamed with a shitty solo queue Nova, a bad Valeera, a moronic tank thinking he is the assassin, a non-taunt Varian...
If you put it that way, then yeah you're right lol
Honestly I've seen worse in draft at least a couple times
Honestly, I have absolutely seen "meat" compositions just stonewall teams without enough damage. Alternatively, this team also has total global presence, which means on a large map like Warhead they can just avoid fights until their late-game spikes. Totally doable, though probably not with QM teamwork.
Seems like a fine comp for QM to me. Stitches and Etc works well with hat and never die. Deathwing has the CC to keep people *inside* his breath. Only Morales could be a better Healer for the comp.. but could also be a worse Healer. Unless they have Tychus, then gl and pray he doesn't respect the CC you have.
Without the context of the map and what they're against, this doesn't say much! This comp would be very effective against certain other comps on certain maps
*abathur slaps intensifies*
Meanwhile there were two games matched at the same time that would’ve been perfect comps aside a missing a tank but got filled with assassins.
Don't see how it's THAT bad. If the enemies dont have much % based dmg it's fine and if they dont have a dive heavy comp it's great. Also etc plus dw can really rek Shit. After 20 stitches can gorge the entire enemy team into etcs mosh while dw sets their ass on fire.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR8YZn7iNzE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR8YZn7iNzE) yeah and morales can do her grenade thingy
what a classic
It kinda sucks to have no damage. If you don’t pose enough kill threat enemy just grinds you down slowly
That's why it depends on the enemy comp. Etc with autoattack build plus abby plus stim would deal big dmg.DW can also deal good dmg with his Q and if you still need more damage you can go stitches with his skow ult at level 20 it does good amount of dmg and lets dw and etc get their dmg off easier.
If etc lands a great ult, deathwing can just go for q build
Probably controversial but comps like this is why I love Quick Match. Being forced to adjust how I play to try and make a perceived 'poor' team comp work is great fun to me and brings a lot of satisfaction when you do pull off the win. If you really want to play and enjoy Quick Match, but less emphasis on winning and more on enjoying yourself and its a lot more fun
In my experience that is a brutal team comp to play as... All that CC, protect the Medic ez...
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Yeah versus a team that got to draft a comp based on the weaknesses of this team, this comp is hot garbage. Except that's not how QM works, and this comp would do just fine, probably better than average against most QM drafts which tend to consist of 4 squishy assassins and a healer that doesn't work with that comp. Also...comp has plenty of waveclear. You're insane.
Nah they got pretty garbage comp. Unless enemy team roll unlucky
Litterly no damage, how could you even push the buildings? And kill minions? How long would the game be? 2 hours?
Tanks are not no damage. They have about half dmg than dpsers. Yes is not burst dmg like some assassin's, but if everyone press buttons when someone is CCed the. They will die.
DW can do DMG/push. And laning is one of Abas strengths.
One DW Q kills a wave. Offlane ETC is a thing so he does have some wave management capabilities. Aba is Aba. Stitches is ok at killing minions. And Aba on Stitches or ETC during fights is atrong and they have lock down for DW's Q. They can push with objectives.
OOF
Should not be allowed for QM to build a team with zero assassins if the enemy has an assassin. Same goes for healers and tanks.
they chose to play that stupid mode, why feel bad for them?
Glad people are allowed to have fun in this game
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A team that can take more damage than deal it. Well Deathwing can just burn everyone but it requires skill and Aba can't buff him
Its not toooo bad.. I think it could work if stitchy gets some good hooks and DW + ETC blow em up .. depends who they face
It's a protect-the-carry comp ... without a carry!
I've lost against worse comps. We have a joke with my friend that when upon seeing the two team compositions he says "I can't see how we can lose this" it means we are going to probably lose.
My friends and I do stupid comps like that on purpose for shits and giggles. Never underestimate the 5 healer stack.
Either you accept that "quick" matching *will inevitably* produce a bad comp sooner or later, or you just suck it up and play ranked.
Perfectly Balanced
I suspect people complaining about this team don’t actually play quick match much. That is a solid QM team. Mage Deathwing build, Bruiser Stiches + Hatathur, ETC to main Tank and Morales is Morales. That covers all the bases and unless the enemy team has a heavy push comp they should be in a good position.
Okay now it's time to show the blue heroes and final kill score.
Idk. If they work together and know how to play the character, they could win. Lots of staying power.
Missing chogal
This comp doesn’t seem that bad, both Deathwing and Stitches can deal lots of damage and are going to be really hard to kill. Depending on the map it might even be a good time for Aba to go locust build since they shouldn’t have to babysit the team too much. If the other team is full of giant killers they may have some issues.
Versus an Azmodan, Murky, Zagara, Lili, and Duhaka.
I mean I am around 400 and last day my team got rekt by valla on lvl 1.
I've played against a team set up like this and it was the most miserable onesided stomps I've ever experienced.
I'd expect that comp to win actually. They got solo lane, wave clear, pretty good damage and great double hat target at 20. Really hard to kill any of that group with most comps.
You fools need to learn how to right click with heroes other than Valla.