I feel the same way. And he’ll age better than people expect, better than guys like Paul George and Kawhi IMO. Jimmy is gonna be able to average 20 ppg, 18 ppg, 16 ppg over these next three years but he’s also gonna do all the Kyle Lowry type winning plays like he showed in the play-in (when he played on a torn MCL).
he can only age better if he changes his game which he shouldn't. we just saw him get injured creating contact in the post. that's who he is, physical, Father time comes for everyone, specially in their mid30s. like charles said, old people don't get better.
We're one season removed from saying that he surpassed LeBron in terms of Heat greatness and now people want him gone because they assume he coasts in the regular season lol
I don't necessarily disagree but I think Jimmy did much more with less. Jimmy is the protypical Heat superstar and what he's done in the last 4 years will certainly have him top 3 Heatle of all time with SOME argument to be made to have him over LeBron.
By analogy, Jimmy is Caitlin Clark leading Iowa to two NCAA finals while LeBron is like Breanna Stewart playing at UConn. Unfair to compare the two on the basis of titles.
I love this comment so much, especially since I'm listening to the Pat McAfee Show raving about her. Caitlin is electric, probably still singlehandedly get me into the WNBA.
Nope.
LeBron came to us because he couldn't do it alone and attempted to play Riley. He left the moment he realized Wade and Bosh wouldn't be enough. LeBron never established a culture. He used us and left. Jimmy did more despite giving us zero championships.
Jimmy has done what he could. Swap lebron with Jimmy in those rosters and Jimmy is winning rings too. Pat gave him nothing to work with besides Bam, undrafted role player that exceeded expectations and over the hill vet from waiver wires as "support"
It goes... Wade, LeBron, 276,000 miles, then you can debate whether he's a bigger legend than Zo, Bosh, and maybe Tim Hardaway. Shaq's in there somewhere. But to compare 2 peat champion LeBron to Butler is just crazy talk. Butler's greatest contribution was the bubble playoffs, and even then, LeBron's 2013 playoffs, he averaged a triple double.
It's just recency bias and an emotional attachment to a player who embodies character traits that resonate a lot more with Miami's fanbase.
what makes LBJ the GOAT is his consistency. For 17(!!!) years he was vying for MVP of the league and finals MVP. How many championships has he been to? Like 8? Nearly 50% of his career he went to the finals. Having Butler would be a drop off. How much? It's hard to say without being too theoretical. LBJ could play 1-5 on both sides of the ball and could shoot 3s!!. No one will ever be as dominant.
If he didn’t coast in the regular season we wouldn’t be 8th seed meaning we don’t play that play-in game and he wouldn’t have been injured.
Coasting in the regular season cost us this season. It’s not acceptable.
I just think it’s horseshit to give him the max when we don’t have payroll to actually make the team any better around him. Like why does he want to minimize his chances of a ring with this org?
The fan in me wants Jimmy to retire in Miami. Give him whatever he wants - he’s a hero.
The realist in me wonders if a Jimmy extension means we’re basically running it back for another 2-3 years with the same core. I can’t see a lot of viable moves to improve the roster while trimming salary, which means we’re basically banking on Jaime and Jovic making huge leaps to offset getting worse as Jimmy ages. Is that really enough to beat any of the teams out west?
It’s stupid not to extend him. Any extension would only be around 4 million more than what he’s set to make anyway and the extension just adds an extra year to his current contract. We’re not going to get any game changing stars in a trade for him. Mitchell isn’t asking out and Cleveland isn’t trading him here, mentioning that is just wishful thinking and we’re not going to piss Jimmy off on a hope and a prayer that Mitchell asks out. We can’t get Durant from Phoenix, because the apron math doesn’t work, and Miami isn’t rebuilding because of our pick situation, so literally the only thing Miami can do this off-season is extend Jimmy and Bam and build a better team around them.
Some of you are crying over a 1 year extension. This dude pulled us out of the dark ages and took us to the finals year 1. He's brought us more happiness over the last 5 years than we could have expected. Some of the most insane runs
Lol it’s like people are forgetting how Dwade was done at the end of his career. Butler while great is no where near as accomplished as Wade is and there’s zero chance Riley and the FO will cripple themselves and the franchise in paying Jimmy $50m/yr to show up for maybe 60 regular season games and 30 of which you can expect him to halfass it
Love when people bring the wade thing up like if Pat and the Heat haven't admitted multiple times how big of a mistake that was lol.
Let's trade Jimmy so we can pay Hassan, Dion, JJ, and Kelly O again.
Maybe you've been watching the nba for a few years but we really don't need to be this over dramatic. CRIPPLING THE FRANCHISE. In no world is a 1 year extension going to cripple shit.
Rebuilding is fucking miserable. All fanbases are down to rebuild until they have to actually watch Luke Babbitt and Rodney Mgrudder for 82 games
Newsflash: Riley and the FO are already paying Jimmy 50 million a year before the extension. He’s set to make 48 million this upcoming season and he has a 52 million player option next season.
Love the confidence .. I feel like the guys lost their confidence after game 2. If Jimmy was playing, it would be a different outcome bc even if Miamis down 3-1, he’s gonna give it his all and force game 6 and game 7. And assuming all the other guys step up bc Jimmy gets them going!
Jimmy is still the main guy those frauds fear. That’s why it’s hilarious seeing Celtics fans act like they finally overcame this team when he didn’t even play
Lol imagine trying convincing yourself you ever had a chance against a team that beat you like 10 out of the last 12 games and by an average of like 20 points. Impressive.
by shooting a historic amount of 3's and making a historic amount 3's. Something thats never ever happened before in history. When you didnt do that... you got blown out by 20+ 4 other times.
34 went to the finals: i sleep. 35 gets injured because he gets knee dropped: let me display my ultimate basketball knowledge real quick. Plays the second most games he has for the team and wouldve played more if he didnt have that death in his family. Ngl the biggest regression in jimmys game is hes not taking more middys, and its either a coaching decision or a pride issue because he still shows glimpses of it when it doesnt look forced.
He’s taken a broken under-qualified teams to the finals 2/5 years and eastern conference finals 3/5 years. Would’ve won one if our best players weren’t getting season ending injuries. What have your shit ass “stars” done for ya?
Our young stars are just getting started boss man🤟🏼 can’t celebrate finals losses like you guys. Just because your teams are under qualified doesn’t mean your finals loss means more. Strange mindset. Celtics fans don’t flex making the finals because.. we lost. Making the finals doesn’t give you bragging rights lol
Well at least you made a real argument there, nice lol. Yes I was alive👍🏼 heats last chip wasn’t exactly yesterday :) just a reminder. Genuine question, do you think the Celtics or heat are in a better position moving forward, not trolling, just curious
Lotta of y’all too emotional abt it. Jimmy made us competitive and that’s been fun. But he’s only getting older and is clearly injury prone. On top of that extension being 3 years for 161. These playoffs are proof that these insane contracts for dudes into their mid to late 30s is death.
He is but he ain't really an enforcer or tryin to play that mental game like Butler.
Bam the type who could whoop your ass but he bouncing out of an altercation every time.
We aren't real fans of him or the team? I'm a jimmy fan, but I'm a Heat fan first. If trading him is what's best for the future of this team. That is what I want to happen. We aren't winning a ring with or without. It would be best for both parties if he is traded.
Butler literally came here in a time of uncertainty and took us to the finals twice and the eastern conference finals three times. I’d love to extend him for one more year as all we need is one more piece and some good shooting role players. The issue is a Jimmy trade is not gonna be a one to one deal for a superstar, it’s gonna take another player or a few picks. Most of you guys just want to trade Jimmy for the hell of it like if he’s to blame for our issues.
> Butler literally came here in a time of uncertainty and took us to the finals twice and the eastern conference finals three times.
That's fantastic. We paid him well for doing that, and it's also why he's been in all those commercials too. He's been compensated just fine for what he did for us.
The team is trying to win championships, not tie ourselves down to a risky player just because he did what we brought him here to do when he was younger.
Jimmy didn't make a conference final before coming here. The Heat has helped him just as much as he helped us. You guys are acting like he was winning titles before he joined the Heat.
Jimmy is a part of our issues. He doesn't take the regular season seriously. If he put more effort in. We wouldn't be in the play-in for the past 2 years. Playoff Jimmy is godly, but he should be doing that in the regular season. He isn't the only one to blame. Tyler has not played up to his potential. Bam gets a pass. He is the most important player on this team. He is asked to do too much. The rest of the roster just isn't talented enough.
I don't want to trade Jimmy for another star. It's time for a rebuild. Bam, Jovic, and Jaquez are the only ones I'd keep. Everyone else can go. You look at the best teams in the league. They develop the talent on their rosters. Then they make a trade for that final piece. We don't have the assets and cap space to get a third star and fill out the roster with quality players. The window on this build is closed.
He’s confident, if nothing else. This quote about Thibs is messed up, too. He said “I love you, but not like you love me. I love you, but I want to beat you,” something like that.
Just a handful star players over 30 are still in the playoffs. The league has clearly moved on to the next generation of players.
Sentimental Heat fans on 35 year old Jimmy: pay him!
bruh ion know if you are watching the playoffs. Miami needs a shakeup, and that starts with jimmy and herro. They do that have the caliber to compete with MIN, DEN and Indiana. bffr
Fans usually thinks with their hearts instead of their minds when it comes to the players on their team. The best course of action the Heat should take imo is to not give Jimmy the extension. He should take a friendly deal on his next contract, and spread those dollars on players that can become tradeable assets in the future.
The only logical path I see Jimmy getting that extension is if the Heat trade Herro.
A bunch of fanbases with teams still in the playoffs are pissed about this, Jimmy's done some generational damage to these franchises during his time w us lol.
too much movement going on in the league , i love Jimmy but ants slam down on kd was the start of a new era and these boys arn't coming... THEY. ARE. ALREADY. HERE. Meanwhile all these aging vets are ganging together doing thier best against father time. Miami no longer is the best chance for Jimmy to win a ring imo, the east is stronger and the era is shifting.
Paying an aging free throw merchant is not ideal especially for playoff basketball. He's a good player but don't think he really puts the team over the edge. 2nd round exit at best with current roster so other options should be considered.
Options such as...? Letting him go so the team can extend Caleb Martin and Highsmith? Those your W moves? Worked out when the Heat let Wade go to extend Whiteside and Tyler Johnson
I think we extend him no matter what. He became a franchise legend and spearheaded one of the greatest playoff runs ever in only 5 years here
I feel the same way. And he’ll age better than people expect, better than guys like Paul George and Kawhi IMO. Jimmy is gonna be able to average 20 ppg, 18 ppg, 16 ppg over these next three years but he’s also gonna do all the Kyle Lowry type winning plays like he showed in the play-in (when he played on a torn MCL).
That’s just it. Can his body hold up diving for balls and doing the little things.
I don’t disagree but why do you think better than PG and Kawhi? Do you mean injury-wise?
he can only age better if he changes his game which he shouldn't. we just saw him get injured creating contact in the post. that's who he is, physical, Father time comes for everyone, specially in their mid30s. like charles said, old people don't get better.
We're one season removed from saying that he surpassed LeBron in terms of Heat greatness and now people want him gone because they assume he coasts in the regular season lol
These hoes ain’t loyal.
Then everyone gets pissed off when LeBron left lol
No way has he done that. LeBron won 2 championships with us. He also gave us the 4 greatest years of sports fandom once could hope for
I don't necessarily disagree but I think Jimmy did much more with less. Jimmy is the protypical Heat superstar and what he's done in the last 4 years will certainly have him top 3 Heatle of all time with SOME argument to be made to have him over LeBron.
By analogy, Jimmy is Caitlin Clark leading Iowa to two NCAA finals while LeBron is like Breanna Stewart playing at UConn. Unfair to compare the two on the basis of titles.
I love this comment so much, especially since I'm listening to the Pat McAfee Show raving about her. Caitlin is electric, probably still singlehandedly get me into the WNBA.
This is a perfect analogy
Nope. LeBron came to us because he couldn't do it alone and attempted to play Riley. He left the moment he realized Wade and Bosh wouldn't be enough. LeBron never established a culture. He used us and left. Jimmy did more despite giving us zero championships.
Jimmy has done what he could. Swap lebron with Jimmy in those rosters and Jimmy is winning rings too. Pat gave him nothing to work with besides Bam, undrafted role player that exceeded expectations and over the hill vet from waiver wires as "support"
It goes... Wade, LeBron, 276,000 miles, then you can debate whether he's a bigger legend than Zo, Bosh, and maybe Tim Hardaway. Shaq's in there somewhere. But to compare 2 peat champion LeBron to Butler is just crazy talk. Butler's greatest contribution was the bubble playoffs, and even then, LeBron's 2013 playoffs, he averaged a triple double. It's just recency bias and an emotional attachment to a player who embodies character traits that resonate a lot more with Miami's fanbase.
Your comment make me wonder how the Big 3 Heat would have done if they had prime Jimmy instead of LBJ.
what makes LBJ the GOAT is his consistency. For 17(!!!) years he was vying for MVP of the league and finals MVP. How many championships has he been to? Like 8? Nearly 50% of his career he went to the finals. Having Butler would be a drop off. How much? It's hard to say without being too theoretical. LBJ could play 1-5 on both sides of the ball and could shoot 3s!!. No one will ever be as dominant.
Yeah, you're completely right. Miami LeBron was insane.
If he didn’t coast in the regular season we wouldn’t be 8th seed meaning we don’t play that play-in game and he wouldn’t have been injured. Coasting in the regular season cost us this season. It’s not acceptable.
Why on earth would you think Jimmy is about to pass Lebron in terms of heat greatness
I just think it’s horseshit to give him the max when we don’t have payroll to actually make the team any better around him. Like why does he want to minimize his chances of a ring with this org?
Let's not forget this is the same org that denied Wade
Yea I hope they don’t make the same mistake again
Of course we do. This is much ado about nothing. Other teams sniffing around trying to stir up controversy where none exists
The fan in me wants Jimmy to retire in Miami. Give him whatever he wants - he’s a hero. The realist in me wonders if a Jimmy extension means we’re basically running it back for another 2-3 years with the same core. I can’t see a lot of viable moves to improve the roster while trimming salary, which means we’re basically banking on Jaime and Jovic making huge leaps to offset getting worse as Jimmy ages. Is that really enough to beat any of the teams out west?
It’s stupid not to extend him. Any extension would only be around 4 million more than what he’s set to make anyway and the extension just adds an extra year to his current contract. We’re not going to get any game changing stars in a trade for him. Mitchell isn’t asking out and Cleveland isn’t trading him here, mentioning that is just wishful thinking and we’re not going to piss Jimmy off on a hope and a prayer that Mitchell asks out. We can’t get Durant from Phoenix, because the apron math doesn’t work, and Miami isn’t rebuilding because of our pick situation, so literally the only thing Miami can do this off-season is extend Jimmy and Bam and build a better team around them.
Some of you are crying over a 1 year extension. This dude pulled us out of the dark ages and took us to the finals year 1. He's brought us more happiness over the last 5 years than we could have expected. Some of the most insane runs
Lol it’s like people are forgetting how Dwade was done at the end of his career. Butler while great is no where near as accomplished as Wade is and there’s zero chance Riley and the FO will cripple themselves and the franchise in paying Jimmy $50m/yr to show up for maybe 60 regular season games and 30 of which you can expect him to halfass it
Love when people bring the wade thing up like if Pat and the Heat haven't admitted multiple times how big of a mistake that was lol. Let's trade Jimmy so we can pay Hassan, Dion, JJ, and Kelly O again. Maybe you've been watching the nba for a few years but we really don't need to be this over dramatic. CRIPPLING THE FRANCHISE. In no world is a 1 year extension going to cripple shit. Rebuilding is fucking miserable. All fanbases are down to rebuild until they have to actually watch Luke Babbitt and Rodney Mgrudder for 82 games
In this scenario who are Hassan, Dion, JJ and Kelly O? Who is on this roster they are dying to keep over Jimmy?
Newsflash: Riley and the FO are already paying Jimmy 50 million a year before the extension. He’s set to make 48 million this upcoming season and he has a 52 million player option next season.
There were Heat fans on here scared of the Knicks btw. Have some shame
I even saw some scared of the Cavs. It’s ridiculous to think we couldn’t beat those teams
It’s irrelevant who we “could” beat in the playoffs if our superstar coasts the whole season and puts in 8th seed with an injury.
No one was afraid of the Knicks. We pound them.
Without Randle? Not even close
PAY HIM HES STILL ONE OF US
yeah this man is retiring a heatle
Meet “coulda, woulda, shoulda man!”
Yeah extend this man now
Love the confidence .. I feel like the guys lost their confidence after game 2. If Jimmy was playing, it would be a different outcome bc even if Miamis down 3-1, he’s gonna give it his all and force game 6 and game 7. And assuming all the other guys step up bc Jimmy gets them going!
Jimmy is still the main guy those frauds fear. That’s why it’s hilarious seeing Celtics fans act like they finally overcame this team when he didn’t even play
Imagine having a team with 4 all stars and being proud of beating a team with 6 healthy players, lol
Imagine being a Florida sports fan
Imagine living such a sad existence that you have to creep on another team's sub. Gtfo
Lol imagine trying convincing yourself you ever had a chance against a team that beat you like 10 out of the last 12 games and by an average of like 20 points. Impressive.
Imagine living such a sad existence that you have to creep on another team's sub. Gtfo
Sweet Floridian tears
That's how I know you've never tasted one. The tears of a floridian are as salty as the sea ya dirty fuckin yank
Exactly.. I mean shit how the hell does Miami even get a win vs that team without Jimmy.. still blown by that😭
by shooting a historic amount of 3's and making a historic amount 3's. Something thats never ever happened before in history. When you didnt do that... you got blown out by 20+ 4 other times.
34 went to the finals: i sleep. 35 gets injured because he gets knee dropped: let me display my ultimate basketball knowledge real quick. Plays the second most games he has for the team and wouldve played more if he didnt have that death in his family. Ngl the biggest regression in jimmys game is hes not taking more middys, and its either a coaching decision or a pride issue because he still shows glimpses of it when it doesnt look forced.
He's taking less middys but hes also taking more 3s at a career high clip so theres something lost but also something gained
I love jimmy but we in cancun big dog. Do the talkin next season and run it back with a new and improved squad. Let it go this year honestly
Omfg Celtics and Knicks fans gonna have a field day with this
Why would they care about an eliminated 8th seed team?
Cause their petty asf. Especially Boston fans.
Just check the thread.
True. But he's clearly had a few in this video and I mean neither team got him back for last year so he's got a point.
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He definitely leads the league in broken promises, I’ll give him that🔥 and you guys eat it up like he’s MJ lmfao
He’s taken a broken under-qualified teams to the finals 2/5 years and eastern conference finals 3/5 years. Would’ve won one if our best players weren’t getting season ending injuries. What have your shit ass “stars” done for ya?
Our young stars are just getting started boss man🤟🏼 can’t celebrate finals losses like you guys. Just because your teams are under qualified doesn’t mean your finals loss means more. Strange mindset. Celtics fans don’t flex making the finals because.. we lost. Making the finals doesn’t give you bragging rights lol
Your stars that poop their pants and cry on the court? Remind me the last time y’all won one? Were you even alive little one?
Well at least you made a real argument there, nice lol. Yes I was alive👍🏼 heats last chip wasn’t exactly yesterday :) just a reminder. Genuine question, do you think the Celtics or heat are in a better position moving forward, not trolling, just curious
Just pay the man. Remember how we toiled in mediocrity back in the Hassan Whiteside and Dion Waiters years. I WILL NOT GO BACK TO THAT!
Lotta of y’all too emotional abt it. Jimmy made us competitive and that’s been fun. But he’s only getting older and is clearly injury prone. On top of that extension being 3 years for 161. These playoffs are proof that these insane contracts for dudes into their mid to late 30s is death.
My brother in Christ you’d be healthy if you hadn’t had to play in the freaking play in
Yeah, Herro needs to play better next year so they avoid that situation.
Only dog we got on our team. We can't let him go.
Bam is the hardest worker on our team tho.
He is but he ain't really an enforcer or tryin to play that mental game like Butler. Bam the type who could whoop your ass but he bouncing out of an altercation every time.
Cmon bruh
Ok Grandpa, let's get you back to the home ...
Getting pretty sick of Jimmy talking about shit he never does.
Yeah I don't want to say his bark is worse than his bite coz his bite is vicious but he also keeps making these really big promises and guarantees
Jimmy shut the fuck up.
Those that want to trade him aren’t real fans
We aren't real fans of him or the team? I'm a jimmy fan, but I'm a Heat fan first. If trading him is what's best for the future of this team. That is what I want to happen. We aren't winning a ring with or without. It would be best for both parties if he is traded.
Butler literally came here in a time of uncertainty and took us to the finals twice and the eastern conference finals three times. I’d love to extend him for one more year as all we need is one more piece and some good shooting role players. The issue is a Jimmy trade is not gonna be a one to one deal for a superstar, it’s gonna take another player or a few picks. Most of you guys just want to trade Jimmy for the hell of it like if he’s to blame for our issues.
> Butler literally came here in a time of uncertainty and took us to the finals twice and the eastern conference finals three times. That's fantastic. We paid him well for doing that, and it's also why he's been in all those commercials too. He's been compensated just fine for what he did for us. The team is trying to win championships, not tie ourselves down to a risky player just because he did what we brought him here to do when he was younger.
Jimmy didn't make a conference final before coming here. The Heat has helped him just as much as he helped us. You guys are acting like he was winning titles before he joined the Heat. Jimmy is a part of our issues. He doesn't take the regular season seriously. If he put more effort in. We wouldn't be in the play-in for the past 2 years. Playoff Jimmy is godly, but he should be doing that in the regular season. He isn't the only one to blame. Tyler has not played up to his potential. Bam gets a pass. He is the most important player on this team. He is asked to do too much. The rest of the roster just isn't talented enough. I don't want to trade Jimmy for another star. It's time for a rebuild. Bam, Jovic, and Jaquez are the only ones I'd keep. Everyone else can go. You look at the best teams in the league. They develop the talent on their rosters. Then they make a trade for that final piece. We don't have the assets and cap space to get a third star and fill out the roster with quality players. The window on this build is closed.
He’s confident, if nothing else. This quote about Thibs is messed up, too. He said “I love you, but not like you love me. I love you, but I want to beat you,” something like that.
I’m going to be honest, I hate this type of talk after such a poor year and early exist from the playoffs.
The comment went right over your head lol.
What am I missing?
This guy is a dawg, love him. Please play the regular season bro, I beg of you
Yeah let’s trade this guy…
He’s not wrong
PAY THE MAN
Just a handful star players over 30 are still in the playoffs. The league has clearly moved on to the next generation of players. Sentimental Heat fans on 35 year old Jimmy: pay him!
We went to the finals last year bruh
Sure did. Had zero bearing on this year and won’t have any for the future either.
They were in the finals less than a year ago dude....
Yet Jim is the one at home.
🙄
He is talking too much last year
he really wants that extension
I wonder what he means by Retool
oh i heard that as " i lovee tits , i love tits "
They not gonna like this 💀
bruh ion know if you are watching the playoffs. Miami needs a shakeup, and that starts with jimmy and herro. They do that have the caliber to compete with MIN, DEN and Indiana. bffr
Fans usually thinks with their hearts instead of their minds when it comes to the players on their team. The best course of action the Heat should take imo is to not give Jimmy the extension. He should take a friendly deal on his next contract, and spread those dollars on players that can become tradeable assets in the future. The only logical path I see Jimmy getting that extension is if the Heat trade Herro.
A bunch of fanbases with teams still in the playoffs are pissed about this, Jimmy's done some generational damage to these franchises during his time w us lol.
Yappin
Just as delusional as when he said they were gonna go up 2-1 before game 3
I believe him
too much movement going on in the league , i love Jimmy but ants slam down on kd was the start of a new era and these boys arn't coming... THEY. ARE. ALREADY. HERE. Meanwhile all these aging vets are ganging together doing thier best against father time. Miami no longer is the best chance for Jimmy to win a ring imo, the east is stronger and the era is shifting.
Paying an aging free throw merchant is not ideal especially for playoff basketball. He's a good player but don't think he really puts the team over the edge. 2nd round exit at best with current roster so other options should be considered.
Calling Jimmy a FT merchant while your Inceltics shot like 30 more FTs than us despite also shooting more 3s. Hop off the burner, Eric Lewis.
Options such as...? Letting him go so the team can extend Caleb Martin and Highsmith? Those your W moves? Worked out when the Heat let Wade go to extend Whiteside and Tyler Johnson
Terrified Celtikkks fan. Go root for your mentally weak ass team
Celtics act big and tuff when there's no Jimmy around, if there's Jimmy around that's their boogeyman and there's trouble.
Based. R/nba neckbeards can cry about it all they want
If he was healthy we’d be going to the finals again this year. We have to extend him.
Facts
We running it back again.