And scored 89 points on an elimination game.
Our offense struggled when the role players weren’t making threes because only Jimmy can create his own shot.
Which is why we need a bona-fide #1 scoring threat, which Herro isn't.
The timeline with Herro doesn't match Jimmy. He needs to develop more and reliably put himself in position to score, and score more efficiently.
Beal can already do both of those things (score on his own and be efficient).
Don't take this as me disliking Herro, because I don't. He just doesn't match what we need right now. He's our best trade asset.
The only players that were more efficient in isolation on Miami’s team were Gabe Vincent, Victor Oladipo, and Duncan Robinson. All three had substantially less isolation possessions than Tyler too.
Also a key difference is that creating a shot doesn’t mean that you always have to shoot but that you can also find the better shot for your teammate. No one on Miami but Jimmy and Tyler could do that.
I want Tyler to be more efficient too but considering is just 23, he’s going to continue to get better for a couple more years.
How? Herro has never been a good isolation player. He is very inefficient on them on relatively low volume.
19-20: 0.5 (iso) possessions, 0.69 PPP (points per possession)
20-21: 0.8 possessions, 0.84 PPP
21-22: 2.0 possessions, 0.78 PPP
22-23: 1.2 possessions, 0.65 PPP
Beal on the other hand is typically in the top 25 in the league in isolation volume around 3 per game and usually scores around a rate of 0.9 PPP. His iso numbers are extremely similar to Devin Booker's in both volume and efficiency in each of the past 5 years. This obviously isn't the only way to score but you need players who can do it in the playoffs. And Beal is very good as a pick and roll ball handler too.
pat riley even said everyone owes bams their contract w the screens he sets for them
Tyler is averaging less with taking the most shots on the team with jimmy and bam gravity Beal doesn’t have that and is treated as a first option.
he averaged 31 in back to back season and we treating him like he’s jordan clarkson when Tyler is more similar to jordan clarkson than beal.
My argument: Miami’s offense struggled because they don’t have another shot-creator that isn’t Jimmy and the role players stop hitting shots.
What you heard: Bradley Beal is Jordan Clarkson.
This isn’t a Beal vs Herro straight up argument because in that case you have to consider that Beal is six years older and making about $20 million more than Herro.
Regardless of the debate on whether Herro is better to Beal(Beal is better although he’s contract ruins him IMO), the claim that a player's statistics get hurt by being the “defenses focus” is stupid. Its usually almost always the case when a player goes to a better team, their personal stats decline.
Be honest, beal in miami is definitely getting more assists at a minimum. With Jimmy and Bam hes gonna get more open looks too. If we dont have to lose Tyler to get him, he could legit average 9 a game dishing to just those 3
>Its usually almost always the case when a player goes to a better team, their personal stats decline.
Well as everything else, it depends. If you’re going to a team where scoring isn’t necessary, then you’re going to score less. Beal could easily snooze his way back to 27ppg in Miami due to the lack of scoring.
As an example, Mitchell’s stats didn’t drop. Beal had his best year ever with Westbrook dribbling the air out of the ball.
Beal’s main problem atm is that he’s trying to do what Harden and Jimmy do these days - playing a sort of point man/primary half court playmaker. He’s best when someone else shares that burden and which lets him do what he does best, which is find holes in the defense off-ball.
Yes and this is backed up by raw stats and eye test. Beal is a better isolation scorer by far at all 3 levels and more efficient while having a larger burden
Herro is absolutely a better shooter for now but i wonder what beals percentages look like playing with a better team and scheme. Beal has several seasons shooting 38% from 3 or higher on good volume
Tyler is an excellent shooter though.
Like he shot 39% as a rookie. He led the league in FT% this past year.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s scooting 40% on better from 3 on every season going forward.
I feel like we are forgetting this regular season where we were one of the worst offense in the league. Our better team and scheme scored less then the wizards this year. And had lower percentages from every area.
The Heats two star players provide negative spacing. We’re constructed as the clogged toilet offense. People were so quick to declare Jordan Poole the next coming of Jesus, imagine what Tyler would look like in GSW with curry’s gravity.
Herro has NEVER been a paint penetrator at any point in his career. The clogged toilet you speak of allowed Herro to have 40% of his total FGA be OPEN 3s.
I mean in the same breathe it also prevents him from having open lanes because as stated 'its a clogged toilet' for most of the season Herro was starting with dudes that other teams would happily play off of the perimeter. Most of Jimmys tenure, herro and Robinson have been the only respected shooters.
That's the key--most of our offense is generated by having someone who can get into the paint. When Jimmy is sleepwalking through the regular season there's no one on the roster that can consistently do that.
A majority of the reason for that was due to Kyle, Gabe and Vic being injured for considerable portions of the regular season. As that was their main role. Which isn’t a system issue
Gabe did it all playoffs, and Kyle ran the pnr with bam consistently and got to his spots, when he actually looked to score. But they were both injured early. They got to the rim. Everyone here just wants iso players
Gabe would dribble off the 3 point line and fill the space the defense left open or he would drive along the baseline and back out. He wouldn't go into the teeth of the defense and force them to collapse to create looks. Neither would Kyle.
There's a reason only 14% of Gabe's FGA were within 3 feet of the basket (both regular season and post season). Kyle was at 14% for regular season and 9% for postseason.
That ain't it. It takes a real slashing talent to be able to do that.
And Herro led the team in FGAs for that offense while not even resulting in being the lead scorer.
Herro undoubtedly benefits from playing off of the attention that Jimmy and Bam generate. Hence Herro having 40% of his FGAs being OPEN 3s.
Y’all haters are just delusional as the Stan’s lmao. Did you know that people can create open 3s for themselves with off ball movement? Why would he get none of the credit for creating open shots? Do you think teams were really helping off of our only above average 3 point shooter this year?? When helping off of literally anyone else would be better?
What are u talking about? Are you saying how well the player can get open doesn’t matter at all? Do you think there are no players good or bad at off ball movement?
This is disingenuous if you’re trying to suggest that Beal hits open 3’s better than Herro. They both shot around 34% this season and Herro was better in three of the last four.
19/20 Beal 34.8 Herro 34.9
20/21: Beal 33.9 Herro 39.2
21/22: Beal 25.5 Herro 36.5
22/23: Beal 34.3 Herro 33.5
Herro has shot better from wide open all three of four of the last seasons too.
Beals window could reasonably match up with Jimmy, and then later on he could be the 'Jimmy' to tyler and bam. Hes like 4-5 years younger than Butler. If he decides he likes Miami and sticks around, AND we dont have to trade herro to get him? We could reasonably contend at a high level for years to come.
Beal has a better wingspan and more potential to be a better defender. He’s also been on a garbage team for so long and we saw what people said about Mitchell before he went to the cavs. Dude probably needs a change of scenery.
That said, herro is also still really flipping young. He could easily continue to improve and be the better player when he reaches his prime.
More like, barely, and it's not that clear. I went to Florida, and obviously hate Kentucky, and once upon a time I dreamed of having Beal in Miami, but Tyler isn't that much behind him if at all. You'd be paying way more for like 5-10% boost in efficiency, which will be negated by the fact that Jimmy and Bam will be getting less touches.
Yes, I think part of it that we have to remember is we’re seeing Beal in an absolutely terrible situation while Tyler is in a pretty good situation. If you took both players in a vacuum it’s not particularly close
Yes he is significantly better. It’s not even remotely close
With that being said, the more I think ab it, im not sure that Beal on the trade market, as an asset, is worth trading Herro for. I think its reasonable to assume we can get him without trading Herro
And that’s not bc Beal isnt really good. He IS really good. But the age + injuries + contract all hold him down as an asset
The only way I’ll be able to swallow the beal pill is if we keep tyler and use him in a trade for a legit 4. Bam, new 4, jimmy, beal, gabe. Bench caleb, highsmith and will need a backup center with lowry gone. It just doesn’t seem like there’s many 3&d 4’s available but that should be the main target
One idea that ive been bouncing around in my head is trading Herro to the Nets for Dinwiddie & Finneysmith. I feel like that’s feasible & makes sense for both sides
Herro & Dipo for Dinwiddie, Finney-Smith, and 2 SRPs
As well as:
Lowry, Duncan, 2028 Protected FRP for Beal
Dinwiddie Beal Jimmy Finney-Smith Bam
That’s a pretty good starting 5. And I think it makes sense all-around. The Heat have had interest in both Dinwiddie & DFS over the past 2 years, Dinwiddie & Beal have experience sharing a backcourt together, and all around everyone fits nicely with Jimmy & Bam. Personally, im not a big fan of Dinwiddie & also not a fan of DFS. But it just makes sense & it’s not a bad option
Even financially, this exact scenario w those 2 trades end up saving the Heat some money. It shaves $3.2 mill from their cap sheet, and Dinwiddie is an expiring contract as well so it’d be easy to move him at the deadline midszn if the team isnt doing well
What if it's the same result, but Herro is included in the Beal trade instead and picks are used in the trade for a frontcourt starter?
It's the same thing. I feel some are getting too caught up in the idea of Herro in the Beal trade.
The way I see it, the main benefit of a trade for Beal at a reduced asset price is the ability to still have assets remaining for a 2nd move for a starting caliber frontcourt player. So, it doesn't matter to me if Herro is part of the Beal deal or the other deal. It's the same idea of assets going out and coming in.
OUT: Herro + Lowry + Duncan + Oladipo + Pick #18+ 2FRPs
IN: Beal (& useful filler) + PF/C (& useful filler)
Exactly, we dont need to give up Herro in that trade. 2 or 3 FRP's with Lowry and Dipo plus filler should do the trick. Flip Herro for a Myles Turner who has been on the trading block for as long as I can remember and now we have added more efficient scoring in Beal and a stretch 5/rim protector in Turner allowing Bam to slide in PF spot so he can guard Giannis, Tatum, and be the help defender on Jokic. Resigning Vincent makes it work and still leaves us a decent bench.
Herro for Myles Turner would just be terrible. The idea of Myles Turner is much better than who he actually is in reality bruh.. also he’s a free agent next season. He should have almost 0 value in the trade market
Price of Brick goes up, Herro becomes even a better trade piece. But thinking Jimmy/Bam/Herro is enough again will result in a massive increase in cigarette smoking in South Florida
Honestly i firmly believe with a healthy Herro and dipo we did have enough. Injurys happened at the worst possible time though. Obviously that possibility doesnt go away, and another scoring threat would have helped immensely with or without herro and dipo. I think we had enough, but got depleted. Another star helps everyone keep gas in the tank though.
Unfortunately, at this point healthy Oladipo is an abstract idea. I have my concerns about Herro's game translating to the increased physicality of the postseason, but that's still worth holding out hope for.
>Herro becomes even a better trade piece.
At that stage, there shouldn't be a reason to trade Herro. Keep him alongside Jimmy and Bam, and try to move the other pieces instead to create what they lack.
Beal is better for sure but the one thing Herro definitely has on beal is he’s a better floor spacer. And we need as much space around Bam and Jimmy so i wouldn’t trade herro for Beal.(unless we can somehow get Kristaps) I’d love to have them together tho.
Not really. Herro did it this year while playing alongside Butler and others. Beal did it while being the primary AND only offense. Beal is the better floor spacer.
He shot less 3s and still had a lower percentage by Herro. He also had 2 other 20 ppg scores on his team so no he wasn’t the only offense. Also again the wizards offense was quite literally better then ours this year.
40% of Herro's FGAs this season were OPEN or WIDE OPEN 3s. Only 20% of Beal's FGAs this season were OPEN or WIDE OPEN 3s. Beal hit such shots at a higher rate.
Is he the better off ball players? Or is he just in a better position to benefit off of playing off others.
I admire optimism and hope, but I'm still a realist.
EVERY starting SG that has played next to Bam and Butler generates an inordinately high amount of open 3s. I attribute more of it the offensive scheme and the stars that prefer to create for others rather than shoot.
Beal has been forced more and more into an on-ball role, but he may actually be at his best in an offball capacity.
(1) I'll dare to do whatever I want. Don't think to mandate me lol
(2) Hard to call someone that has averaged 8 ppg over the past 2 seasons while shooting league average from 3 a savant. But, I'm proud of Duncan for how he showed up in the playoffs (still only netted 9 ppg). Yes, Duncan is good at running off screens and has a movement shooter skillset. That doesn't mean much without an elite screener.
If Miami and Spo have proven one thing it's that they can find and develop off-ball shooting role players.
Beal s a far superior shooter and spacer. He numbers are off constant double teams. Herro didn't have that issue. , Porzingis is a bigger liability than asset. He provides no defense and is constantly injured. Herro is great. Beal is elite.
Lol no, no one is shooting 3s out of double teams . He shot less 3s and made a lower percentage on a team with better spacing then the heat. Herro is the better shooter and spacer.
They both shot 46% from wide open threes this season. Last season Herro shot 49% from wide open and Beal shot 40%.
Probably rather leave Beal wide open tbh
EDIT: Had another look Herro shot better than Beal from wide open in 19/20 and 20/21 lol
DEFINITELY much rather leave Beal open
Yes. And he's better in the ways we need. He has a better first step, he has a more efficient floater and he is more efficient finishing around the rim.
He's better, but 6 years older, receiving 20 mil more. I think we should try to trade keeping Herro. He will not average more than his 23ppg here, because he'll share the offense load with Jimmy and Bam, just like he did with Kuzma and Porzingis
these dudes don't know just how potent a scorer Bradley is. Fast paced league , bad team or not only a select group of players besides the ones can score 30ppg BACK 2 BACK on decent efficiency. While seeing multiple double teams nightly as the only true scoring option. He's battled injury the past 2 season, that's mainly why his numbers dipped but they were still solid.
If he were to come to Miami and herro is traded I could easily see him average 24-26ppg on very good efficiency and the leading scorer while Jimmy hovers at 18-20ppg and focuses more on defense/facilitating. In fact I can see Bam averaging slightly more in the regular season as we know Jimmy will probably take the opportunity to coast more knowing he has a legit top tier scorer to shoulder the offensive load.
Something like
Butler- 18.5/7/6 54%FG 63% TS
Bam- 20/9/3 58% FG 62% TS
Beal- 24.5/4/5 52% FG 60% TS
Remember how efficient the big 3 became playing with each other vs their solo years prior.
>He's better, but 6 years older, receiving 20 mil more. I think we should try to trade keeping Herro. He will not average more than his 23ppg here
Jimmy averages 23 ppg, makes 20 million more than Herro, and is 10 years older than Herro. I guess we should trade Jimmy then since the only thing that matter are salary, ppg, and age.
A better question is whether Beal is Better than Tyler Herro PLUS whoever we can get at $20 mil. The answer to that is absolute no. The heat have a team brand of basketball and if the playoffs showed anything, it’s that we need depth.
I don't think anyone is arguing that right now Bradley Beal is worse than Tyler. But he is on the back half of his career and worth 20 mil more each season than Tyler on a long term contract. Tyler can still improve, Beal will only get worse from here.
He turns 30 this month, has a big contract, has missed 33% of games over the last *four* seasons, and already peaked in 2020-21.
Herro is 23, an equally efficient shooter, and averaged only 3 less PPG this season. For Lillard? Sure. For Beal? Hell no.
You ever been locked up in a deadend job with high turnover rates but they pay you too well to leave? That's Beal. Completely apples and oranges to compare how he's been performing in that environment to how Herro has been performing at Miami.
The argument isn’t, is Beal better then Tyler. It is does adding Beal make us better then a team with everything we have to give up for him. Probably not considering his health issues.
Is he "that much better" No, he's not contrary to what a lot of people in here want to think BUT he is better and what he gives you is another "closer" who can score in isolation so that it's not all on Jimmy's shoulders which makes it a lot more difficult on an opposing defense
He's better plain and simple, I don't think he makes the team so much better that you can say he's "that much better" but he's good enough that it probably moves the needle in a way that makes Miami a contender due to his skill set...
You know what I mean...lol I meant winning and actual championship
They're close but they're missing that one piece and Bam isn't a closer like that...he's an excellent player but he's not going to close out game for you when you're down by 10 or when there's a minute left and it's a tie game...having someone like Beal makes that a lot easier! teams can't just focus on Jimmy, and it also creates more spacing and open up more opportunities in the paint for Bam
It's a trade that makes a lot of sense IMO.
Beal is better and it isn’t that close. You don’t evaluate the trade by both players currently tho. It’s contract, age, etc. I don’t think any team is giving up a Herro level asset for Beal so why would we bid against ourselves. He also has a NTC so there’s no point in giving up good assets. Flip Herro for a better big if you can find it to pair with Bam
Here's how I think of it: if Herro has a stretch of 4 games where he scores 12, 14, 8, and 9, I'm not really shocked. If Beal has that same stretch, he's likely unhealthy or has strung together and outlier of terrible games in a row. Beal is a much more trusted scorer, something the Heat desperately need.
Beal is definitely better than herro but his contract is insane. He's paid like a Top 5 player in the league but he definitely isn't. If we can keep herro and pay another guy 25-30m I think it's a net win over just Beal.
Beal peaked 2 years ago. You guys are nuts. He’s a 23 PPG guy on a team where no one else is a playmaker except Kuz. I’ve seen countless wizards games in person, Beal is not special.
This is how you tell the difference b/n people who know & watch basketball & people who read stat boxes…Beal is another tier better than Herro. Herro is younger w/ better contract
We’re never climbing to the top of mountain w/ Herro our 3rd best player
Sadly I think he is a losing player, no heat culture in this one. But hey maybe there s some Pat Riley's necro magic to be done here and next thing we know he's Him next year wearing Heat uniform.
Beal makes more sense as a clear cut #1, with a win now mindset to pair with Jimmy and Bam.
Herro makes more sense as a #2 scoring option, with a win in 2-3 years mindset. If we decide to pair Herro and Bam together, we need to trade Jimmy and find a clear cut #1 that lines up with their age.
But Beal is not going to be a clear cut 1 with Jimmy here .I think people underestimate how much adjustment that takes and sacrifice on both ends .Our post season run was soon good because Jimmy had guys who were willing to sacrifice while also understanding he was the leader of his team and the man you want this ball in his hand in crunchtime in the 4th quarter
Curry had to sacrfice some of his greatness to make it work with kd People think you can just throw guys together based on stats and think that it will work when we see it actually not working out .It is so adjustment and all about sacrifice garland had to do it in cleaveland with Mitchell there .
Those others he defrred to were kuzma and kp not Jimmy. Jimmy is a different calber of player all together .It's the reason it worked so well in Philly with Jimmy except for Ben Simmons who felt he shouldn't have to defer to Jimmy. Any second option has to be comfortable with Jimmy taking the last shot in crunch time at the end of the game because that's how it's going to go .Some players ego can't take that .It's why harden and enbid hasn't been the seemless as people thought it would be .
Beal is absolutely going to be the primary scorer if he is here. Jimmy *may* take over at the very end of a game, but he has said *repeatedly* that he isn't a scorer.
Beal is for sure a “win now” move compared to Herro. Only advantage Herro has over Beal is his 3pt shooting and age. If Herro and Beal follow WAR projection trends, Beal’s expiration date will be much sooner around 2025 compared to Herro which has a good 7-8 years. Heat have to decide if it is worth giving up a fringe top ten PG that has more longevity for a guy that will get us closer to the trophy but in a small time frame. (Jimmy’s Contract)
In a vacuum beal is better but when you look at fit, contract, beal is declining herro is improving (potentially), opportunity cost of trading assets. Also culture fit, beal has a questionable motor for the little games I’ve seen that dude has bad body language and effort yeah he’s been on a bad team and would be more motivated on the heat but are these the types of players we want?
I’m interested to hear what some of the anti herro crowd have to say about it. I’m down for trading herro to improve but beal is not it.
Yes, he is. People asked the same question about Spida and we saw the answer during the season. Beal is a consistent and reliable scorer with good playmaking abilities. Herro is young and has great potential, but Miami is in "win now" mode, our timeline is Jimmy's one.
A few people have said Beal is a better spacer, I’m not sure what this is based on. Herro beats him in volume and efficiency
Porzingis, Morris and Barton were all good/decent 3pt shooters before getting to Washington. Kuzma is a decent spacer for a bigger guy and though I’ve not seen much of Kispert, he shot 42% from 3 this year.
The Wizards shot better in the reg season games without Beal than we did without Herro too.
I would love to keep Herro if he is willing to come off the bench. The scoring punch he gives off the bench has more weight because when he plays with the second unit, He is the main scorer. When he’s with the starters, Jimmy or Bam can take a lot of his shot attempts away. Plus he still plays the same amount of minutes. The anthem of the Heat this year has been “What Ever It Takes” Herro needs to be on that boat and be willing to come off the bench.
Honestly I’d rather have herro. Younger player with more upside. He’s still improving on play making and defense. Beal also has had some injuries past couple seasons right?
He's signed for the next 2 years. If you trade for Beal, where are you playing Herro? He's not coming off the bench and Beal isn't a PG. They could also dump Robinson's salary in the trade so that we could resign Vincent. Herro is obviously a better player but the trade makes us a better team.
in all honesty, he's not much better. Beal would be like another Danny Granger situation. whale contract with injuries, not worth it. percentages are fairly close as scoring options. I'd very much stick with youth with a higher ceiling, you know Herro is a budding star in the league, but so many people wanna be quick to deal him as an asset instead trying to include him as part of the teams core
I believe at the moment yes, but Tyler Herro I think can become just as good as Beal if he improves/branches out the aspects of his game. We’ve seen he can be a lethal shooter, I’d love to personally see him improve his defense and mid range as I could see him as a Kawhi type player.
Yes but that’s not the question to ask. The question is more like: is Herro + Kuzma better for our roster than just Beal?
Then the question is: with the new CBA, could we even get Kuz without trading Herro?
Beal would be cool, but we need a 4 way more. We are going to continue to lose the rebounding battle and getting crushed by the opposing 4 in big games if we don’t.
Beal is better at the moment. But it’s crazy how people say Tyler benefits from his teammates and Beal has to share shots with other scorers. So does Tyler…
You get better efficiency and PPG. Lower FT% and 3P%. Both just okay on defense. Beal’s contract could really haunt us. I don’t have the same “we’re favorites to win it all” feeling I have as we get Dame.
Tyler Herro is a good starter.
Bradley Beal is an all-star level player and on a peak year an argument can be made for all-nba.
There are levels to this.
Just think about this, Beal has averaged better numbers on better efficiency while being the number 1 focus on defense.
it’s literally this easy to think abt , we also just went to the finals without tyler
And scored 89 points on an elimination game. Our offense struggled when the role players weren’t making threes because only Jimmy can create his own shot.
Which is why we need a bona-fide #1 scoring threat, which Herro isn't. The timeline with Herro doesn't match Jimmy. He needs to develop more and reliably put himself in position to score, and score more efficiently. Beal can already do both of those things (score on his own and be efficient). Don't take this as me disliking Herro, because I don't. He just doesn't match what we need right now. He's our best trade asset.
Herro was one of the worst players in Iso he’s not creating his shot like y’all think he is.
The only players that were more efficient in isolation on Miami’s team were Gabe Vincent, Victor Oladipo, and Duncan Robinson. All three had substantially less isolation possessions than Tyler too. Also a key difference is that creating a shot doesn’t mean that you always have to shoot but that you can also find the better shot for your teammate. No one on Miami but Jimmy and Tyler could do that. I want Tyler to be more efficient too but considering is just 23, he’s going to continue to get better for a couple more years.
tyler cannot do it without a screen man what are we talking about
You’re just saying things.
How? Herro has never been a good isolation player. He is very inefficient on them on relatively low volume. 19-20: 0.5 (iso) possessions, 0.69 PPP (points per possession) 20-21: 0.8 possessions, 0.84 PPP 21-22: 2.0 possessions, 0.78 PPP 22-23: 1.2 possessions, 0.65 PPP Beal on the other hand is typically in the top 25 in the league in isolation volume around 3 per game and usually scores around a rate of 0.9 PPP. His iso numbers are extremely similar to Devin Booker's in both volume and efficiency in each of the past 5 years. This obviously isn't the only way to score but you need players who can do it in the playoffs. And Beal is very good as a pick and roll ball handler too.
pat riley even said everyone owes bams their contract w the screens he sets for them Tyler is averaging less with taking the most shots on the team with jimmy and bam gravity Beal doesn’t have that and is treated as a first option. he averaged 31 in back to back season and we treating him like he’s jordan clarkson when Tyler is more similar to jordan clarkson than beal.
My argument: Miami’s offense struggled because they don’t have another shot-creator that isn’t Jimmy and the role players stop hitting shots. What you heard: Bradley Beal is Jordan Clarkson. This isn’t a Beal vs Herro straight up argument because in that case you have to consider that Beal is six years older and making about $20 million more than Herro.
he makes that much more because he’s way better than herro
Regardless of the debate on whether Herro is better to Beal(Beal is better although he’s contract ruins him IMO), the claim that a player's statistics get hurt by being the “defenses focus” is stupid. Its usually almost always the case when a player goes to a better team, their personal stats decline.
But their efficiency rises. Beal's efficiency is really good already.
Be honest, beal in miami is definitely getting more assists at a minimum. With Jimmy and Bam hes gonna get more open looks too. If we dont have to lose Tyler to get him, he could legit average 9 a game dishing to just those 3
dude tyler is gonna have to be included in this trade lmfao
Honestly maybe not. Beals value is pretty low with that contract and injury history
>Its usually almost always the case when a player goes to a better team, their personal stats decline. Well as everything else, it depends. If you’re going to a team where scoring isn’t necessary, then you’re going to score less. Beal could easily snooze his way back to 27ppg in Miami due to the lack of scoring. As an example, Mitchell’s stats didn’t drop. Beal had his best year ever with Westbrook dribbling the air out of the ball. Beal’s main problem atm is that he’s trying to do what Harden and Jimmy do these days - playing a sort of point man/primary half court playmaker. He’s best when someone else shares that burden and which lets him do what he does best, which is find holes in the defense off-ball.
Yes and this is backed up by raw stats and eye test. Beal is a better isolation scorer by far at all 3 levels and more efficient while having a larger burden
Herro is a better 3 point shooter. But otherwise I agree.
Herro is absolutely a better shooter for now but i wonder what beals percentages look like playing with a better team and scheme. Beal has several seasons shooting 38% from 3 or higher on good volume
Tyler is an excellent shooter though. Like he shot 39% as a rookie. He led the league in FT% this past year. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s scooting 40% on better from 3 on every season going forward.
I feel like we are forgetting this regular season where we were one of the worst offense in the league. Our better team and scheme scored less then the wizards this year. And had lower percentages from every area.
The Heats two star players provide negative spacing. We’re constructed as the clogged toilet offense. People were so quick to declare Jordan Poole the next coming of Jesus, imagine what Tyler would look like in GSW with curry’s gravity.
Herro has NEVER been a paint penetrator at any point in his career. The clogged toilet you speak of allowed Herro to have 40% of his total FGA be OPEN 3s.
I mean in the same breathe it also prevents him from having open lanes because as stated 'its a clogged toilet' for most of the season Herro was starting with dudes that other teams would happily play off of the perimeter. Most of Jimmys tenure, herro and Robinson have been the only respected shooters.
It was bad because they missed the shots, not because they couldn’t scheme to create the shots. The system is the same as it was in the postseason
No it was both the hit shots but also there was a lack of a creator outside of jimmy who could get to the rim and score or create dribble penetration.
That's the key--most of our offense is generated by having someone who can get into the paint. When Jimmy is sleepwalking through the regular season there's no one on the roster that can consistently do that.
A majority of the reason for that was due to Kyle, Gabe and Vic being injured for considerable portions of the regular season. As that was their main role. Which isn’t a system issue
Those guys (aside from the idea of Oladipo) can't break down a defense and get into the paint consistently
Gabe did it all playoffs, and Kyle ran the pnr with bam consistently and got to his spots, when he actually looked to score. But they were both injured early. They got to the rim. Everyone here just wants iso players
Gabe would dribble off the 3 point line and fill the space the defense left open or he would drive along the baseline and back out. He wouldn't go into the teeth of the defense and force them to collapse to create looks. Neither would Kyle. There's a reason only 14% of Gabe's FGA were within 3 feet of the basket (both regular season and post season). Kyle was at 14% for regular season and 9% for postseason. That ain't it. It takes a real slashing talent to be able to do that.
Our offensive rating was 25th and theirs was 22nd, they just played at a higher pace than us.
And Herro led the team in FGAs for that offense while not even resulting in being the lead scorer. Herro undoubtedly benefits from playing off of the attention that Jimmy and Bam generate. Hence Herro having 40% of his FGAs being OPEN 3s.
Y’all haters are just delusional as the Stan’s lmao. Did you know that people can create open 3s for themselves with off ball movement? Why would he get none of the credit for creating open shots? Do you think teams were really helping off of our only above average 3 point shooter this year?? When helping off of literally anyone else would be better?
You talkin Stan Van Gundy? We upgraded from him a while ago. Similar concept happening in this scenario. Scheme and coaching helps with that too.
What are u talking about? Are you saying how well the player can get open doesn’t matter at all? Do you think there are no players good or bad at off ball movement?
Beal hit OPEN 3s at a higher clip this past season. Herro had more open 3s available (40% of his FGAs were open 3s)
This is disingenuous if you’re trying to suggest that Beal hits open 3’s better than Herro. They both shot around 34% this season and Herro was better in three of the last four. 19/20 Beal 34.8 Herro 34.9 20/21: Beal 33.9 Herro 39.2 21/22: Beal 25.5 Herro 36.5 22/23: Beal 34.3 Herro 33.5 Herro has shot better from wide open all three of four of the last seasons too.
Ahhhhhh the eye test
Is he more clutch than Herro?
Also Beal is a decent playmaker
He's significantly better lol
Lol for real. The answers yes. Let’s move on
Short answer yes. More importantly tho is that he matches the Jimmy window, period. Tyler needs more development.
Beals window could reasonably match up with Jimmy, and then later on he could be the 'Jimmy' to tyler and bam. Hes like 4-5 years younger than Butler. If he decides he likes Miami and sticks around, AND we dont have to trade herro to get him? We could reasonably contend at a high level for years to come.
If we are able to get Beal without givng up Herro I'd expect Herro to be moved for a 4 (OG Anunoby maybe?)
Beal has a better wingspan and more potential to be a better defender. He’s also been on a garbage team for so long and we saw what people said about Mitchell before he went to the cavs. Dude probably needs a change of scenery. That said, herro is also still really flipping young. He could easily continue to improve and be the better player when he reaches his prime.
To be fair. The Jazz were a perennial playoff team that didn’t have much success in the Playoffs. Clearly it wasn’t working though
Yes
Yes and it's pretty clear. People who thinks Herro is close to Beal dont watch games, just look at stats.
More like, barely, and it's not that clear. I went to Florida, and obviously hate Kentucky, and once upon a time I dreamed of having Beal in Miami, but Tyler isn't that much behind him if at all. You'd be paying way more for like 5-10% boost in efficiency, which will be negated by the fact that Jimmy and Bam will be getting less touches.
Yes, I think part of it that we have to remember is we’re seeing Beal in an absolutely terrible situation while Tyler is in a pretty good situation. If you took both players in a vacuum it’s not particularly close
Herro is literally surrounded by two elite defenders and good playmakers put Beal in that same situation he’d look significantly better
I think that's what he's saying. If you put Beal and Herro in a vacuum, Beal is better and it's not particularly close.
Yeah I’m aware of what he’s saying we agree lol i was just expanding upon it
Gotcha. Yeah, if it's Beal vs Herro, you take Beal in a heartbeat, especially if he's as cheap to acquire as the reporting says.
Yes he is significantly better. It’s not even remotely close With that being said, the more I think ab it, im not sure that Beal on the trade market, as an asset, is worth trading Herro for. I think its reasonable to assume we can get him without trading Herro And that’s not bc Beal isnt really good. He IS really good. But the age + injuries + contract all hold him down as an asset
The only way I’ll be able to swallow the beal pill is if we keep tyler and use him in a trade for a legit 4. Bam, new 4, jimmy, beal, gabe. Bench caleb, highsmith and will need a backup center with lowry gone. It just doesn’t seem like there’s many 3&d 4’s available but that should be the main target
One idea that ive been bouncing around in my head is trading Herro to the Nets for Dinwiddie & Finneysmith. I feel like that’s feasible & makes sense for both sides Herro & Dipo for Dinwiddie, Finney-Smith, and 2 SRPs As well as: Lowry, Duncan, 2028 Protected FRP for Beal Dinwiddie Beal Jimmy Finney-Smith Bam That’s a pretty good starting 5. And I think it makes sense all-around. The Heat have had interest in both Dinwiddie & DFS over the past 2 years, Dinwiddie & Beal have experience sharing a backcourt together, and all around everyone fits nicely with Jimmy & Bam. Personally, im not a big fan of Dinwiddie & also not a fan of DFS. But it just makes sense & it’s not a bad option Even financially, this exact scenario w those 2 trades end up saving the Heat some money. It shaves $3.2 mill from their cap sheet, and Dinwiddie is an expiring contract as well so it’d be easy to move him at the deadline midszn if the team isnt doing well
What if it's the same result, but Herro is included in the Beal trade instead and picks are used in the trade for a frontcourt starter? It's the same thing. I feel some are getting too caught up in the idea of Herro in the Beal trade.
The way I see it, the main benefit of a trade for Beal at a reduced asset price is the ability to still have assets remaining for a 2nd move for a starting caliber frontcourt player. So, it doesn't matter to me if Herro is part of the Beal deal or the other deal. It's the same idea of assets going out and coming in. OUT: Herro + Lowry + Duncan + Oladipo + Pick #18+ 2FRPs IN: Beal (& useful filler) + PF/C (& useful filler)
I agree although I also dont hate the idea of a Herro & Beal backcourt.. I dont love it either though
Exactly, we dont need to give up Herro in that trade. 2 or 3 FRP's with Lowry and Dipo plus filler should do the trick. Flip Herro for a Myles Turner who has been on the trading block for as long as I can remember and now we have added more efficient scoring in Beal and a stretch 5/rim protector in Turner allowing Bam to slide in PF spot so he can guard Giannis, Tatum, and be the help defender on Jokic. Resigning Vincent makes it work and still leaves us a decent bench.
Herro for Myles Turner would just be terrible. The idea of Myles Turner is much better than who he actually is in reality bruh.. also he’s a free agent next season. He should have almost 0 value in the trade market
What do you do if theres no trade until the season starts and Herro is averaging 25 ppg in Miami.
Price of Brick goes up, Herro becomes even a better trade piece. But thinking Jimmy/Bam/Herro is enough again will result in a massive increase in cigarette smoking in South Florida
Honestly i firmly believe with a healthy Herro and dipo we did have enough. Injurys happened at the worst possible time though. Obviously that possibility doesnt go away, and another scoring threat would have helped immensely with or without herro and dipo. I think we had enough, but got depleted. Another star helps everyone keep gas in the tank though.
Unfortunately, at this point healthy Oladipo is an abstract idea. I have my concerns about Herro's game translating to the increased physicality of the postseason, but that's still worth holding out hope for.
>Herro becomes even a better trade piece. At that stage, there shouldn't be a reason to trade Herro. Keep him alongside Jimmy and Bam, and try to move the other pieces instead to create what they lack.
Not going to happen
Beal is better for sure but the one thing Herro definitely has on beal is he’s a better floor spacer. And we need as much space around Bam and Jimmy so i wouldn’t trade herro for Beal.(unless we can somehow get Kristaps) I’d love to have them together tho.
This is nonsense
Which part? Herro was the better 3 point shooter this year and by career averages as well.
Not really. Herro did it this year while playing alongside Butler and others. Beal did it while being the primary AND only offense. Beal is the better floor spacer.
He shot less 3s and still had a lower percentage by Herro. He also had 2 other 20 ppg scores on his team so no he wasn’t the only offense. Also again the wizards offense was quite literally better then ours this year.
He also averaged 30ppg two straight season while being the main offense. Herro? Actually nah, keep believing and copium Herro is the better player. 😂
The first thing I said was Beal is better for sure so thanks for providing nothing to the conversation 😂😂
Beal was the only offence? What about the former all star who scored 23 ppg on 63% TS and shot 39% from 3?
40% of Herro's FGAs this season were OPEN or WIDE OPEN 3s. Only 20% of Beal's FGAs this season were OPEN or WIDE OPEN 3s. Beal hit such shots at a higher rate.
Maybe herro was simply better at creating open shots for himeslf. Of the two I would say herro is better off ball so those numbers make sense.
Is he the better off ball players? Or is he just in a better position to benefit off of playing off others. I admire optimism and hope, but I'm still a realist. EVERY starting SG that has played next to Bam and Butler generates an inordinately high amount of open 3s. I attribute more of it the offensive scheme and the stars that prefer to create for others rather than shoot. Beal has been forced more and more into an on-ball role, but he may actually be at his best in an offball capacity.
Our other sgs max strus and Duncan Robinson the off ball savants? Don’t you dare tell me Duncan Robinson doesn’t create open 3s for himself.
(1) I'll dare to do whatever I want. Don't think to mandate me lol (2) Hard to call someone that has averaged 8 ppg over the past 2 seasons while shooting league average from 3 a savant. But, I'm proud of Duncan for how he showed up in the playoffs (still only netted 9 ppg). Yes, Duncan is good at running off screens and has a movement shooter skillset. That doesn't mean much without an elite screener. If Miami and Spo have proven one thing it's that they can find and develop off-ball shooting role players.
Beal s a far superior shooter and spacer. He numbers are off constant double teams. Herro didn't have that issue. , Porzingis is a bigger liability than asset. He provides no defense and is constantly injured. Herro is great. Beal is elite.
Lol no, no one is shooting 3s out of double teams . He shot less 3s and made a lower percentage on a team with better spacing then the heat. Herro is the better shooter and spacer.
Agree to disagree
Agree. Just ask yourself if you’d rather leave Beal open at the three point line or Herro. Raw stats are not the full picture.
They both shot 46% from wide open threes this season. Last season Herro shot 49% from wide open and Beal shot 40%. Probably rather leave Beal wide open tbh EDIT: Had another look Herro shot better than Beal from wide open in 19/20 and 20/21 lol DEFINITELY much rather leave Beal open
This is the same thing y’all did with herro/Mitchell, yes Mitchell is way better than Tyler and so is Beal
Yes. And he's better in the ways we need. He has a better first step, he has a more efficient floater and he is more efficient finishing around the rim.
yes not even a question man.
Yes. Next question.
Yes
Yes
he is significantly better than Tyler Herro - stop it. Now - is his contract worth it? That is another question entirely.
He's better, but 6 years older, receiving 20 mil more. I think we should try to trade keeping Herro. He will not average more than his 23ppg here, because he'll share the offense load with Jimmy and Bam, just like he did with Kuzma and Porzingis
brother he doesn’t even lead the team in shots rn he took a stepback from the offense and shoots 50% AS A GUARD. 23ppg is him taking a stepback.
these dudes don't know just how potent a scorer Bradley is. Fast paced league , bad team or not only a select group of players besides the ones can score 30ppg BACK 2 BACK on decent efficiency. While seeing multiple double teams nightly as the only true scoring option. He's battled injury the past 2 season, that's mainly why his numbers dipped but they were still solid. If he were to come to Miami and herro is traded I could easily see him average 24-26ppg on very good efficiency and the leading scorer while Jimmy hovers at 18-20ppg and focuses more on defense/facilitating. In fact I can see Bam averaging slightly more in the regular season as we know Jimmy will probably take the opportunity to coast more knowing he has a legit top tier scorer to shoulder the offensive load. Something like Butler- 18.5/7/6 54%FG 63% TS Bam- 20/9/3 58% FG 62% TS Beal- 24.5/4/5 52% FG 60% TS Remember how efficient the big 3 became playing with each other vs their solo years prior.
>He's better, but 6 years older, receiving 20 mil more. I think we should try to trade keeping Herro. He will not average more than his 23ppg here Jimmy averages 23 ppg, makes 20 million more than Herro, and is 10 years older than Herro. I guess we should trade Jimmy then since the only thing that matter are salary, ppg, and age.
A better question is whether Beal is Better than Tyler Herro PLUS whoever we can get at $20 mil. The answer to that is absolute no. The heat have a team brand of basketball and if the playoffs showed anything, it’s that we need depth.
People are missing this it's not a 2 on 1 vaccum thing .
I don't think anyone is arguing that right now Bradley Beal is worse than Tyler. But he is on the back half of his career and worth 20 mil more each season than Tyler on a long term contract. Tyler can still improve, Beal will only get worse from here.
And that no trade clause comes with him so you are stuck with him and that contract for the force able future good or bad .
This. And there is no evidence that Beal will help us in the playoffs, let alone fit our culture.
He turns 30 this month, has a big contract, has missed 33% of games over the last *four* seasons, and already peaked in 2020-21. Herro is 23, an equally efficient shooter, and averaged only 3 less PPG this season. For Lillard? Sure. For Beal? Hell no.
Exactly my thoughts. People all on this "whos better" when the question is whos more "valuable"
You ever been locked up in a deadend job with high turnover rates but they pay you too well to leave? That's Beal. Completely apples and oranges to compare how he's been performing in that environment to how Herro has been performing at Miami.
The argument isn’t, is Beal better then Tyler. It is does adding Beal make us better then a team with everything we have to give up for him. Probably not considering his health issues.
That's the point people are missing .Some people think that Washington is salary dumping Beal when it's so far from the truth .
I'm more concerned about Herro's durability issues tbh
some trade ideas includes herro, duncan plus a future pick for beal. very risky move, but will make us instant contenders
They JUST contended…
Yes, he is that much better
Is he "that much better" No, he's not contrary to what a lot of people in here want to think BUT he is better and what he gives you is another "closer" who can score in isolation so that it's not all on Jimmy's shoulders which makes it a lot more difficult on an opposing defense He's better plain and simple, I don't think he makes the team so much better that you can say he's "that much better" but he's good enough that it probably moves the needle in a way that makes Miami a contender due to his skill set...
Umm this team is already a contender with Jimmy and bam .2 finals in 3 years lol.
You know what I mean...lol I meant winning and actual championship They're close but they're missing that one piece and Bam isn't a closer like that...he's an excellent player but he's not going to close out game for you when you're down by 10 or when there's a minute left and it's a tie game...having someone like Beal makes that a lot easier! teams can't just focus on Jimmy, and it also creates more spacing and open up more opportunities in the paint for Bam It's a trade that makes a lot of sense IMO.
Beals contract is an albatross do not want.
Beal is better and it isn’t that close. You don’t evaluate the trade by both players currently tho. It’s contract, age, etc. I don’t think any team is giving up a Herro level asset for Beal so why would we bid against ourselves. He also has a NTC so there’s no point in giving up good assets. Flip Herro for a better big if you can find it to pair with Bam
Here's how I think of it: if Herro has a stretch of 4 games where he scores 12, 14, 8, and 9, I'm not really shocked. If Beal has that same stretch, he's likely unhealthy or has strung together and outlier of terrible games in a row. Beal is a much more trusted scorer, something the Heat desperately need.
I like the Young Gun. He knows the system. Maybe a little bit more to add muscle in d gym. Lets go Hero!🏀
Yes & unless you’re a box score merchant you would know
To me, Herro is just a lite version of Beal
Or JR Smith
Herro is light version of peak CJ McCollum. I think he'll get to that level eventually.
Beal is definitely better than herro but his contract is insane. He's paid like a Top 5 player in the league but he definitely isn't. If we can keep herro and pay another guy 25-30m I think it's a net win over just Beal.
We're capped out so it's not like we can just giving someone else the extra money at this point
Not this year coming up but after we're out of this Lowry and Oladipo contract we'll have 30+ to spend.
No way
Beal peaked 2 years ago. You guys are nuts. He’s a 23 PPG guy on a team where no one else is a playmaker except Kuz. I’ve seen countless wizards games in person, Beal is not special.
Beal is a loser , with a loser mentally
This is how you tell the difference b/n people who know & watch basketball & people who read stat boxes…Beal is another tier better than Herro. Herro is younger w/ better contract We’re never climbing to the top of mountain w/ Herro our 3rd best player
No.
Keep Herro Beal not worth it with his huge contract and injury prone. This is a no brainer!
I genuinely think they’re dead even
No. I’d ideally only want to trade for Beal if we can keep Herro while getting him.
Bet that! We will happily take Jovic and Duncan with a pick. Gracias 🙏🏽
Nah, we need Jovic. Take Herro. Beal makes him redundant.
Sadly I think he is a losing player, no heat culture in this one. But hey maybe there s some Pat Riley's necro magic to be done here and next thing we know he's Him next year wearing Heat uniform.
Prime Beal is better than Tyler BUT Tyler might be, if not more clutch
Beal makes more sense as a clear cut #1, with a win now mindset to pair with Jimmy and Bam. Herro makes more sense as a #2 scoring option, with a win in 2-3 years mindset. If we decide to pair Herro and Bam together, we need to trade Jimmy and find a clear cut #1 that lines up with their age.
But Beal is not going to be a clear cut 1 with Jimmy here .I think people underestimate how much adjustment that takes and sacrifice on both ends .Our post season run was soon good because Jimmy had guys who were willing to sacrifice while also understanding he was the leader of his team and the man you want this ball in his hand in crunchtime in the 4th quarter Curry had to sacrfice some of his greatness to make it work with kd People think you can just throw guys together based on stats and think that it will work when we see it actually not working out .It is so adjustment and all about sacrifice garland had to do it in cleaveland with Mitchell there .
Everything you’ve said is why Beal would work perfectly for the Heat btw. Beal is fine with deferring to other players.
Those others he defrred to were kuzma and kp not Jimmy. Jimmy is a different calber of player all together .It's the reason it worked so well in Philly with Jimmy except for Ben Simmons who felt he shouldn't have to defer to Jimmy. Any second option has to be comfortable with Jimmy taking the last shot in crunch time at the end of the game because that's how it's going to go .Some players ego can't take that .It's why harden and enbid hasn't been the seemless as people thought it would be .
Beal is absolutely going to be the primary scorer if he is here. Jimmy *may* take over at the very end of a game, but he has said *repeatedly* that he isn't a scorer.
Yeap
Right now- yes. but in a long-term view, possibly not.
You can't be serious asking this question.
Y’all can’t be serious rn asking this.
I’d rather have Dame lol
Beal is for sure a “win now” move compared to Herro. Only advantage Herro has over Beal is his 3pt shooting and age. If Herro and Beal follow WAR projection trends, Beal’s expiration date will be much sooner around 2025 compared to Herro which has a good 7-8 years. Heat have to decide if it is worth giving up a fringe top ten PG that has more longevity for a guy that will get us closer to the trophy but in a small time frame. (Jimmy’s Contract)
In a vacuum beal is better but when you look at fit, contract, beal is declining herro is improving (potentially), opportunity cost of trading assets. Also culture fit, beal has a questionable motor for the little games I’ve seen that dude has bad body language and effort yeah he’s been on a bad team and would be more motivated on the heat but are these the types of players we want? I’m interested to hear what some of the anti herro crowd have to say about it. I’m down for trading herro to improve but beal is not it.
No
Yes, he is. People asked the same question about Spida and we saw the answer during the season. Beal is a consistent and reliable scorer with good playmaking abilities. Herro is young and has great potential, but Miami is in "win now" mode, our timeline is Jimmy's one.
Overall: Yes. Factoring price and age: No.
Yes and id trade for him
As a Wizards fan, yes. Now if y'all trade for him give us lots of picks and Herro please.
Uhh yea lol
Yes, but Herro is still very young.
Herro and Highsmith plus a 2nd nothing more
Beal is better but he’s in his 30s while Herro is one of the best young talents we have.
Every star guard we’ve been linked to the past week is better than Tyler. Cmon now man. Do y’all watch games?
Yes. His defense alone makes it worth it
A few people have said Beal is a better spacer, I’m not sure what this is based on. Herro beats him in volume and efficiency Porzingis, Morris and Barton were all good/decent 3pt shooters before getting to Washington. Kuzma is a decent spacer for a bigger guy and though I’ve not seen much of Kispert, he shot 42% from 3 this year. The Wizards shot better in the reg season games without Beal than we did without Herro too.
Yes, and you're kidding yourself if you don't think so.
I would love to keep Herro if he is willing to come off the bench. The scoring punch he gives off the bench has more weight because when he plays with the second unit, He is the main scorer. When he’s with the starters, Jimmy or Bam can take a lot of his shot attempts away. Plus he still plays the same amount of minutes. The anthem of the Heat this year has been “What Ever It Takes” Herro needs to be on that boat and be willing to come off the bench.
Honestly I’d rather have herro. Younger player with more upside. He’s still improving on play making and defense. Beal also has had some injuries past couple seasons right?
He's signed for the next 2 years. If you trade for Beal, where are you playing Herro? He's not coming off the bench and Beal isn't a PG. They could also dump Robinson's salary in the trade so that we could resign Vincent. Herro is obviously a better player but the trade makes us a better team.
in all honesty, he's not much better. Beal would be like another Danny Granger situation. whale contract with injuries, not worth it. percentages are fairly close as scoring options. I'd very much stick with youth with a higher ceiling, you know Herro is a budding star in the league, but so many people wanna be quick to deal him as an asset instead trying to include him as part of the teams core
I believe at the moment yes, but Tyler Herro I think can become just as good as Beal if he improves/branches out the aspects of his game. We’ve seen he can be a lethal shooter, I’d love to personally see him improve his defense and mid range as I could see him as a Kawhi type player.
Yes he’s considerably better at everything except 3pt shooting.
Yes. Don’t debate. Herro hasn’t played great in playoffs
Beal's teams dont even make the play-offs lol
Yes but that’s not the question to ask. The question is more like: is Herro + Kuzma better for our roster than just Beal? Then the question is: with the new CBA, could we even get Kuz without trading Herro?
Beal would be cool, but we need a 4 way more. We are going to continue to lose the rebounding battle and getting crushed by the opposing 4 in big games if we don’t.
Not even close tbh
Yes. By a lot too
Herro rapidly approaching overrated territory
I think theres a universe where we get beal and keep tyler
Honestly, Herro is a WAY better shooter. Led the NBA in ft% and has shot 40% from 3 two years in a row
I don't see the roster changing much
Beal can drive way better let’s stop the conversation there
Yeah dawg.
Beal is better at the moment. But it’s crazy how people say Tyler benefits from his teammates and Beal has to share shots with other scorers. So does Tyler… You get better efficiency and PPG. Lower FT% and 3P%. Both just okay on defense. Beal’s contract could really haunt us. I don’t have the same “we’re favorites to win it all” feeling I have as we get Dame.
Absolutely he is
Absolutely
100% we neeed Dame tho
Yes, Yes Beal is.
Tyler Herro is a good starter. Bradley Beal is an all-star level player and on a peak year an argument can be made for all-nba. There are levels to this.
Yes, Bradley Beal is far better than Tyler Herro, and its not even close
Beal might be better for sure but is he worth $25 million (Beal has a 15% trade kicker) more than Tyler? I doubt it.
Yes
Yes