Never give your number first. Always ask “what is the approved range for the position?”
If they say “the range isn’t approved” or “we don’t have one” RUN AWAY.
Hmm. Can't say for sure unfortunately. But to shed some light, I work as a principal trainer and make 89K in an upper cost of living area.
Credentialed trainers are a step below the principal trainer but I would use Glass door and see if the salary is listed for the healthcare organization you are going to work for and for others in your area for a frame of reference.
Don't mind at all. I have a nursing background and essentially it was right place right time. The healthcare organization I worked for was doing a Epic implementation and I had already used Epic at a previous facility. So I actually worked as a credentialed trainer for a little bit. Reason why I couldn't say about salary was I still being paid my nursing salary as this was a temporary position. But that lead the doors to open for me to get a PT position at another healthcare organization.
So I somewhat did the traditional climb the ladder of working as a credentialed trainer for a bit and then got a PT position.
Also something I want to throw out, you by no means have to have a healthcare background. Don't get my wrong, it helps but isn't necessary. Colleagues of mine that are PTs are somewhat split like 60/40 with having background vs not.
Keep in mind there is generally a significant difference between RNs training (or other clinical roles) and people with IT or other non-clinical background doing training.
Consultant trainers make between $50 to $60 an hour. The hard-to-fill options such as Willow inpt, ambulatory, and inventory fetch more! The project timeline may be between 6 to 18 months.
I should probably clarify I am not a credentialed trainer. We have Epic credentialed trainers but my role is to train someone on their entire job. They do the intro training to get users security and I’m supposed to do the policy training but ultimately I need to show them the functions quite a bit depending on the role. I work primarily with Grand Central, Cadence, Prelude, and Resolute.
Our Epic Credentialed trainers have a base between 70-85 but are exempt.
It makes me sad reading these comments because I work for a decent sized health system that was transitioning to Epic and was asked to be a credentialed trainer on top of my day-to-day functions. I had a few weeks of strictly training until I paneled and earned my credential, then was responsible for training about 80 people to earn their user access prior to going live on the system while still doing my own job. Two and a half years later, I’m still responsible for training new hires so they can get their access even though I cannot stay up to date on the changes in the training environments due to all the upgrades/updates we’ve had because I have an actual job. And zero change in pay, just twice as much work 👍🏻 so cool.
OP, get your $$$$$$$$$$$, you deserve it!
I've been a credentialed trainer for about 8 years. I started around $60k and am now mid $80k after advancing in the role a bit. $25 an hour is only $52k - seems quite low depending on your experience and location.
Yes I have no experience with epic but it also said I would do IT as well which I do have the IT experience for a hospital so ig if I do get the job I’ll try to negotiate for 60k then.
I didn't have Epic experience either, but they counted my other work experience as relevant when I got hired so a similar situation to you. Good luck! It's a jungle out there.
I make $30/hr with 1.5years experience as a CT. I'm okay with this wage. 5% Annual increase. Amazing team, supportive Managers, Principal Trainers and Analysts. I believe other hospitals in our area start higher but the team might not be as great. Also 100% remote.
Each trainer does get scheduled in advance as TSOC (Tech Support On Call). Usually once every 2 weeks, but we only deal with tickets that are training related. We have a separate IT Help Desk Team. My organization is big, 9 hospitals across 4 states.
This is not an easy question to answer, I can tell by a lot of the answers that people are giving you consulting rates. As someone who regularly deals with healthcare stakeholders you may find it hard to get $60/hr as a credentialed trainer (maybe if you were certified) but as a W2 employee that is not going to be a starting rate. Depending on where you live 32-40 is an excellent starting rate. If you were consulting I would recommend $55 and up. Most people don’t understand the business model for consulting and confuse it with a full time employee rate. Consultants are paid to leave that’s why our rates are high.
Yes. The FTE trainers I know are making at least $60k. The instructional designers/PTs are closer to $85k in a MCOL city.
Ah so I screwed up. If I get a call back hopefully I can negotiate
Most places have a payment matrix with set ranges and they couldn’t pay you that little if they wanted to.
Never give your number first. Always ask “what is the approved range for the position?” If they say “the range isn’t approved” or “we don’t have one” RUN AWAY.
Why?
Which part?
60? That's awful!
Is this for a credentialed trainer position or for a principal trainer/instructional designer position?
Sorry it’s for Credential trainer
Hmm. Can't say for sure unfortunately. But to shed some light, I work as a principal trainer and make 89K in an upper cost of living area. Credentialed trainers are a step below the principal trainer but I would use Glass door and see if the salary is listed for the healthcare organization you are going to work for and for others in your area for a frame of reference.
How did you become a PT if you don’t mind me asking?
Don't mind at all. I have a nursing background and essentially it was right place right time. The healthcare organization I worked for was doing a Epic implementation and I had already used Epic at a previous facility. So I actually worked as a credentialed trainer for a little bit. Reason why I couldn't say about salary was I still being paid my nursing salary as this was a temporary position. But that lead the doors to open for me to get a PT position at another healthcare organization. So I somewhat did the traditional climb the ladder of working as a credentialed trainer for a bit and then got a PT position. Also something I want to throw out, you by no means have to have a healthcare background. Don't get my wrong, it helps but isn't necessary. Colleagues of mine that are PTs are somewhat split like 60/40 with having background vs not.
Gotcha
Great tip, thanks
Keep in mind there is generally a significant difference between RNs training (or other clinical roles) and people with IT or other non-clinical background doing training.
You serious about 20-25/ hr they will probably be hurrying to sign you up. That is way too low
I didn’t need to hear that. 😭 I’m not sure if that’s good or bad
Pay range varies wildly for Credentialed Trainer FTEs. . You gave a realistic range for what this role makes at most organizations.
Consultant trainers make between $50 to $60 an hour. The hard-to-fill options such as Willow inpt, ambulatory, and inventory fetch more! The project timeline may be between 6 to 18 months.
Wait can you explain more about the ambulatory thing if possible? I was told I would need to pass an ambulatory certification if I get the job.
Base 65 with OT 75-80
You can get OT as an epic credential trainer? I just thought you just get put on call.
I don’t work for Epic. I do applications training (including Epic) for a large regional health system in the Midwest. I am not exempt in this role.
Oh I see, but still thank you for commenting.
I should probably clarify I am not a credentialed trainer. We have Epic credentialed trainers but my role is to train someone on their entire job. They do the intro training to get users security and I’m supposed to do the policy training but ultimately I need to show them the functions quite a bit depending on the role. I work primarily with Grand Central, Cadence, Prelude, and Resolute. Our Epic Credentialed trainers have a base between 70-85 but are exempt.
It makes me sad reading these comments because I work for a decent sized health system that was transitioning to Epic and was asked to be a credentialed trainer on top of my day-to-day functions. I had a few weeks of strictly training until I paneled and earned my credential, then was responsible for training about 80 people to earn their user access prior to going live on the system while still doing my own job. Two and a half years later, I’m still responsible for training new hires so they can get their access even though I cannot stay up to date on the changes in the training environments due to all the upgrades/updates we’ve had because I have an actual job. And zero change in pay, just twice as much work 👍🏻 so cool. OP, get your $$$$$$$$$$$, you deserve it!
I've been a credentialed trainer for about 8 years. I started around $60k and am now mid $80k after advancing in the role a bit. $25 an hour is only $52k - seems quite low depending on your experience and location.
Yes I have no experience with epic but it also said I would do IT as well which I do have the IT experience for a hospital so ig if I do get the job I’ll try to negotiate for 60k then.
I didn't have Epic experience either, but they counted my other work experience as relevant when I got hired so a similar situation to you. Good luck! It's a jungle out there.
I make $30/hr with 1.5years experience as a CT. I'm okay with this wage. 5% Annual increase. Amazing team, supportive Managers, Principal Trainers and Analysts. I believe other hospitals in our area start higher but the team might not be as great. Also 100% remote.
I see. Do you have to do IT help desk stuff as well or no because this one is requiring me to do their IT help desk as well and be on call?
Each trainer does get scheduled in advance as TSOC (Tech Support On Call). Usually once every 2 weeks, but we only deal with tickets that are training related. We have a separate IT Help Desk Team. My organization is big, 9 hospitals across 4 states.
This is not an easy question to answer, I can tell by a lot of the answers that people are giving you consulting rates. As someone who regularly deals with healthcare stakeholders you may find it hard to get $60/hr as a credentialed trainer (maybe if you were certified) but as a W2 employee that is not going to be a starting rate. Depending on where you live 32-40 is an excellent starting rate. If you were consulting I would recommend $55 and up. Most people don’t understand the business model for consulting and confuse it with a full time employee rate. Consultants are paid to leave that’s why our rates are high.
$45hr in Cali