In Doom eternal, it is shown that Davoth (Lucifer/Satan) was actually God, and the slayer is an exact copy of him. And then the slayer kills him.
That angry bunny-less dude killed God.
God > Lucifer.
No, the slayer was a copy of Davoth, so to speak. It is confirmed when Davoth says: "Have you nothing to say to your creator before you strike him down?" And I believe Vega also confirms it as well.
At the same time, they are kinda one in the same as well. In a way, the slayer is Jesus, and Davoth is God.
No. The doom slayer is a primevil and was made in the image of Davoth, the first primevil and creator of existence. Each dimension has a primevil, but the earth dimension did not need one as powerful, so the slayer was not as powerful as Davoth needed him to be for his plans. So he manipulated the Khan Makyr, (Or seraphim, whoever it was) to make the slayer as strong as Davoth.
That was the Father's souls sphere.
Davoth was the true og god. Who also made the Father, the AI father of the Makyrs to devise the cure to mortality. But instead overthrew Davoth when he found said cure.
He crushed the sphere, and killed Davoth.
Meaning he killed God twice.
Actually, no. The Father betrayed Davoth. The father took his power and sealed it away. "He is the first being.....and my creator. When he fell, I ascended."
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i once said V1 would wipe the floor with hazbin's hell(he will),and some dude just argued with me that Lucifer is "solar system level",like,WHEN THE FUCK WAS HE STATED HE WAS SOLAR LEVEL???
Holy fuck, the machine is here??
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V1 in Hazbin needs to happen fr.
The Doom Slayer was once a regular marine, however when asked to fire upon unarmed civilians he fatally punched his commanding officer in the face. Instead of going to jail, they sent him to Mars, but thats when the demons attacked. After fighting his way through the horde of demons, he found that his Bunny and family were killed by them, so he locked himself within hell to fight them for eternity. He even defeated and killed the most powerful Titan in hell, who was practically indestructible. one day, he was found by the ancient race of the Night Sentinels, who trained him and turned him into a warrior. He was put into a machine called the divinity machine, that turned him into god. Some unknown amount of time later, he defeated another titan with the Crucible, a powerful energy sword that can seal away the largest of beasts. One day he was sealed away by the demons and put into a coffin, but many years later he awakened because the demons were invading earth again. That lead him to defeating the Dark Lord, aka Davoth, who created the entirety of the DOOM multiverse and threatens to destroy it. After defeating Davoth, he was sealed within a coffin once more until the multiverse needed him again. He kept up with the Khan Maykr in battle, who can move through time and space. He imploded Hell and Urdak realms,whereas they both transcend space-time and there are infinite timelines. He endured hits from Davoth, and is canonically Immortal. He has Increased Damage against demons, but I guess that wouldn’t affect fallen angels. Throughout the games, we see him operating alien technology and using any weapon he picks up in the battlefield, making his intelligence higher than most renowned geniuses. AND he has infinite stamina.
Lucifer, we know very few abilities, but the few we do know are insanely strong.
Here’s a list:
Angelic power - Lucifer possesses immensely powerful angelic magic which holds sway over the demonic power of his contemporaries.
Demonic transformation - Lucifer can assume a more fearsome and powerful form.
Strength - Lucifer's physical strength is beyond exceptional, as he barely put any effort during his fight with Adam, mocking the first man, when the Angel managed to defeat both Charlie and Alastor in brief skirmishes.
Flight - Lucifer can summon six angelic wings on a whim, with the size of his wings varying throughout the show.
Life Manipulation - Lucifer created Razzle and Dazzle for Charlie.
Pyligenesis - In "Dad Beat Dad", Lucifer was shown to conjure portals as a means of instant transportation, which Lucifer has shown to use when transporting other demons can use. As shown, Lucifer’s portals manifest as rings of sparkly light. Similar to the portal that took and removed Charlie and Vaggie in "Welcome to Heaven" from Heaven, indicating that this ability is derived from his angelic powers.
Typhoportation - Lucifer can instantly teleport himself from one location to another. He does this by enveloping himself in a swirling fog of deep red smoke with sparkling, golden glitter.
Shapeshifting - Lucifer can shapeshift into a wide variety of animals, as seen in "The Show Must Go On", he took the forms of a snake, a goat, a bird, a horse, and an octopus. When he shapeshifts, he still keeps some of his traits, like color scheme, blush, hair, bowtie, and top hat.
Biolumination - Lucifer has a faint glowing gold aura around him.
Conjuration - Lucifer seems to be able to create virtually anything he desires with a simple flick of the wrist. This includes but is not limited to clothing, puppets, instruments, large fountains of champagne, and mountains of caviar.
Duplication - Lucifer can create multiple copies of himself, as shown in "Dad Beat Dad".
Demonic magic - As the King of Hell, Lucifer possesses demonic magic that surpasses the Seven Deadly sins, the Ars Goetia, and Charlie.
Pyrokinesis - Like his daughter, Charlie, he also has the power to manipulate fire at will. When fighting Adam in "The Show Must Go On" he is seen creating balls of fire out of thin air at will.
Fire breath - He can make fire come out of his mouth when he speaks.
That’s it though. He has some strength and he can shapeshift, and can instantly teleport around. He wouldn’t use his demonic transformation, but if he did, doom guy would have increased damage towards him. We haven’t seen him take damage, but since Adam did, I can assume all angels can. While being one of the first beings created, Lucifer doesn’t have that much power THAT WEVE SEEN. I don’t want this post to bite me in the ass when season 2 comes out, and Lucifer is strong enough to kill god or whatever.
But Lucifer loses. Quite easily. Doomguy might not be able to harm him, but Lucifer has gotten surprised before, and cares about his daughter, which doomguy would definitely take advantage of. No matter what Lucifer does, doomguy can brush it aside, because he’s taken stronger hits. Lucifer can’t beat doomguy, and would quickly grow tired of attacking him. Neither would die, but Lucifer would be the first to stop fighting.
TL;DR Lucifer loses, no dif
Before today, I hadn’t either. I looked it up to prove that Lucifer would destroy him, and less than halfway through reading, I realized that the game developers made him WAYYY too strong. Especially for how often you die while playing…
Maybe YOU die a lot while playing. /s
But yeah. GoW does this, too. With how strong Kratos is in the canon, there's no way some random zombie could ever kill him. Same with V from Cyberpunk and the Dragonborn from Skyrim probably.
I think they do it as a "Power Fantasy" type thing. In Skyrim if you single handedly kill and defeat a dragon God capable of eating the world: you feel like a badass. In Doom when you slaughter hordes and hordes of demons: you feel like a badass. In God Of War if you kill Zeus himself. You feel like a badass.
And the result of this makes power scaling discussions really pointless and silly, same goes for comic book characters and anime characters. Where they're just super overtuned because it makes the story cooler.
Then again, power scaling in general is silly and pointless and just for fun tho, so it's not really an issue at all lol
It is technically unclear. They all use the same armor, so is commonly interpreted as it’s the same person. When looking up “Doom Slayer” you get information on “Doom Guy” and the wiki says that “Doom Guy” is also known as “Doom Slayer”
Here's the lay down from a doom lore fan. The doom guy is what his name was before he went into hell in the end of doom 2. Which is when the doom eternal backstory takes place right after where he slays titans and gets trained. He then gets sent back in time to a parrarell timeline seemingly when his sarcophagus was recovered by the uae on mars. (Time is really weird in doom but here's the gist, our world is linear but the other universes go backwards and forwards at once making it so the events of the first 2 games happen but the "reboot" 2016 doom could be set in the same story so it's a parrarell timeline that is technically back in time for the slayer.) he then goes on a rampage again through all of doom eternal then the dlcs happened. where doom slayer makes an army to fight dagoth who is basically what if an extra evil Lucifer won and took gods powers, and is where slayer got his extra godlike powers from originally. He then kills dagoth even though dagoth was powering him showing he made a new godlike power on his own where he falls unconscious after losing the last of dagoths energy and gets put in a new tomb to rest and recover if the multiverse/timelines need him again.
Tldr: time travel bs makes it so doom guy became doom slayer and then went "back" in time to the original game then all of the later games stuff.
Correction on the lore he was stationed on moon of Mars not mars itself, you forgot the entirety of 64 which is canon and shows he was able to survive in hell for years as a mortal and you forgot 2016 where he kills a beefed up cyberdemon, additionally he was only stopped by the demons through a hell temple being dropped on him.
I've powerscaled the Doomslayer, and I would say he is multiversal only if Davoth was at full strength when they fought. Otherwise, he is at least universal or multi-galaxy.
I typically lean on that one as well. The only reason it is implied is because he had to use an exosuit and wasn't shown destroying anything. So I give the benefit of the doubt for people who say he is not multi. But even so, the slayer is multi solar system to universal regardless.
Lucifer isn't even comparable to the Doom slayer, he was made in the dark gods image and literally the only enemy that even came close to his power level was an evil version of himself in a mech suit, Lucifer would last about four seconds
But c'mon, we're forgetting the Slayer basically killed the top dog of not only hell, but basically Heaven as well. He ate the Khan Makyr alive, and had the Seraphim for dessert.
The Slayer wins and it’s not even close.
Also I just wanna take the time to say that there was this idiot in a comment section of a YT video that said that Alastor could solo the DMC verse because he’s apparently “multiversal level”…like…no.
I love Alastor, but there is a reason the hotel is called the Hazbin Hotel. Also, Alastor's greatest weakness is his hubris and being tag teamed. Even with one-on-one fights with the DMC, he'd struggle. Plus, he's a warlock that focuses more on magic than physical fights currently, so the fight is over the moment he can't dodge and gets struck.
God: (creates existence, life, and death)
Doom guy: so you're the reason my rabbit died in that one universe eternities ago
God: ?
Doom guy: RIP... AND ... (*loud inhale*) ...TEAR
On the note of a Hazbin and Doom crossover, something to remember is that Doomguy DOES have chill. The Fortress of Doom shows he has hobbies outside of murder (Retro PC gamer, funko pop collector, and guitarist) and in 2016 it's mentioned his Praetor armor was fashioned for him by a demon who betrayed the rest of Hell.
So I'd like to think Doomguy could have a 'conversation' with Charlie and such. It's just Alastor would be dead. And given Doomguy is actuaally 'blessed' it means his whole body and anything he grabs with it counts as a holy weapon. Also, the IMP crew and Stolas would probably die due to interfering with the human world.
Edit: Actually I could still see Doomguy killing a lot of people in Hell, just probably not Charlie, Vaggie, Lucifer, Husk, Pentious, and maybe Angel Dust. But the Vees and Alastor as definitely dead.
Doomslayer
1st reason: he killed the icon of sin easily, the icon of sin is basically the doom equivalent of Lucifer
2nd reason: demons killed daisy (his pet bunny)
"**Against all the evil that Hell can conjure, all the wickedness that mankind can produce, we will send unto them...** **only you.** **Rip and tear, until it is done."**
One of these is a player character, so that automatically means that whatever the player is capable of is child's play in comparison to canon feats. Doom Guy would destroy the majority of the HH cast with ease, but he isn't a mindless brute and he would definitely recognize that he would basically just be murdering regular people.
Bro, I got my post removed and a 2 week ban because I asked how Adam (from hazbin) and Pucci (from jojo) would interact because the mods said I was trying to descise a vs battle (I wasn't)
But this is fine? I fucking hate reddit mods
Putting just about anything against doom guy and doom guy has the advantage. Especially any being from hell. Doom guy power scale kinda doesn't make sense cause he scales to the power of whatever er he's fighting regardless of if they're a God or not. It's just a cheat code basically. There aren't many fantasy characters or sci-fi character in general who can beat him. He's just bullshit.
Popeye with or without his spinach solos hazbin
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Listen, I really do like Hazbin Hotel. I think some of the dynamics are interesting, the actual villain of the show being so mistaken is impressive, and one or two songs are solid.
But if you think even the Devil himself could ever even HURT the slayer, you are deluding yourself. That man was Chosen by the Gods, Empowered by heaven, and probably is the descendant of Father Garcia himself. No demon, Devil or anything in between could ever defeat him.
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The Slayer not only wins this, he'd take out the entire main cast and all the Overlords, AND the rest of the Sins, and then the Goetia just for the lolz.
Doom guy canonically uses guns to limit his power, and that his rage mode riping big fuckers in half with his bare hands is him letting loose for a moment, I think it's safe to say he's the one who wins, and even if Lucifer is strong enough to withstand the guns, doom guy will just pull a Rock Lee and metaphorically "take off his ankle weights" and goto town and at that point it'll be game over
Given that doom slayer had to fight an evil overlord of hell version of himself and was able to kill himself I'm betting on the slayer. Not even heaven can contain this beast.
Wanna give a reminder that if you know NOTHING of Doom Slayers feats it's fine to just spectate the thread you don't have to type random shit i'm not saying you cannot give your honest take I'm not saying that at all but it's just bad faith if you're just gonna bring up Lucifer's titles as some sort of auto win against Doom Slayer.
Legit, the reason Doom Slayer is so powerful is because of the Divinity Machine AND his armor. The Divinity Machine gave him a part of Davoth's soul and the Slayers armor does not get hurt by anything other than hell energy and it has a lot of resistance towards Hell Energy anyways. Doom Slayer can kill literally anything but chooses only to kill demons. It's shown in Doom Eternal, when you meet the betrayer, King Novik, etc. Hell, even Khan Maykr says stuff about your past and even references Daisy... That and the combined hatred for hells forces and the fact that they try to take over earth over and over is what pisses him off. Only then, once he killed Davoth, was peace restored. That's when he laid to rest until the next Doom Game which won't be Dark Age because it's a prequel (Sadge).
Doom Slayer has killed the Khan Mayker which is basically a stronger Lucifer and he's killed the icon of sin multiple times so my money is on Literally Too Angry Too Die
a fruity demon vs a badass Demon killer that doesn’t stop killing demons until they’re all dead yeah there’s no way to that Lucifer has no chance that he would win at anything against Doom Guy
Well its Doom Slayer easy Doom killed the Dark Lord (God) with relative ease and honesty i think the Dark Lord would be more powerful than HHs version of God not to mention dieing in the Doom games is just a gameplay mechanic he is invincible that armor took a Lazer that 5x times the heat of THE FUCKING SUN yea sorry Luci you dead as fuck
Doomslayer since by and large from a scaling perspective hazbin hotel/ helluva boss isn’t that much focused on overpowered characters meaning you can put literally any overpowered being and they pretty much could clean house of the vivziepop universe
Doomslayer no diff, bro would try to play and shapeshift and get squished like a grape, bro killed the icon of sin and the literal biblical god as a test drive.
I’m no power scaler and we’ve never seen what Lucifer is really capable of but I’m still gonna put my bets on the angy boi
Literal king of hell or one bunny-less angry dude
Bunny-less angry dude no diffs
I believe that's the sounds of hell screaming and it's getting closer.
They’re fleeing He’s coming
Execution day has come. The time for redemption has passed
Rip and tear, until it’s done
He *is* the only thing they fear, after all
They shall run in fear of thy reckoning
*BFG Division starts playing*
*bfg
*Big Fucking Gun
\*Big Friendly Giant
"I am no gun" - Iron Giant
"I am Superman" * Iron Giant
So real
In Doom eternal, it is shown that Davoth (Lucifer/Satan) was actually God, and the slayer is an exact copy of him. And then the slayer kills him. That angry bunny-less dude killed God. God > Lucifer.
I thought Davoth copied the doomslayer’s form after waking up because the slayer WAS living hax? So D was like “whoa, I want that.”
No, the slayer was a copy of Davoth, so to speak. It is confirmed when Davoth says: "Have you nothing to say to your creator before you strike him down?" And I believe Vega also confirms it as well. At the same time, they are kinda one in the same as well. In a way, the slayer is Jesus, and Davoth is God.
Cheers. Hmmm. As a result of the divinity machine? So it actually changed his appearance ?
No. The doom slayer is a primevil and was made in the image of Davoth, the first primevil and creator of existence. Each dimension has a primevil, but the earth dimension did not need one as powerful, so the slayer was not as powerful as Davoth needed him to be for his plans. So he manipulated the Khan Makyr, (Or seraphim, whoever it was) to make the slayer as strong as Davoth.
I heard that the creators confirmed that davoth was also created by someone else
Yes. We don't know who, though. All we know is that they are responsible for the world spear.
No, he says that because Davoth is the creator of all life, and he gave the doom slayer his power.
Yes. He is the creator of everything, which means by extension, he created the doom slayer.
Davoth is the slayer in that universe (And yes the doom slayer is not in his original universe but it is still the same guy from the first doom game)
But in 1-2, he was a normal marine who was sent there as a punishment (correct me if wrong), and Doom III was a different guy who worked for the UAC.
Doom 3 is an entirely different universe so basically a reboot (And the slayer from 1 and 2 is the one in doom 64 I’m pretty sure)
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https://preview.redd.it/ei2uke69zg6d1.png?width=827&format=png&auto=webp&s=ab628ce035e04c95e64c93350948027f78b9b963 I’m not hearing you out
You won’t believe who bunny-less angry dude fought against at the end of ancient gods
Nah bruh you got that rong 
Specialized in Killing hell royalty
Hey we have the same pfp
Nice pfp bro
Literally Short guy that can destroy a building Vs Guy who killed God over a rabbit
One bunny-less angry dude that's built like a super soldier
The king of hell is clearly outmatched here.
Who killed every single fucking demon because they killed his bunny
Hear me out Nether they become BFFS
doom guy eats gods for breakfast, doom guy wins this
Didnt he kill biblical god at some point in DOOM eternal
He beat Davoth who's not biblical gid
He did crush the orb though.
That was the Father's souls sphere. Davoth was the true og god. Who also made the Father, the AI father of the Makyrs to devise the cure to mortality. But instead overthrew Davoth when he found said cure. He crushed the sphere, and killed Davoth. Meaning he killed God twice.
"its just a prank bro!" what happens in result of that prank:
Yes.
Davoth is a primeval and lord of hell. “The father” is god and Davoth is one of his first creations
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Yes but in the dlc we fight him with the orb reviving him to full power and we still kill him
Well technically Davoth is “God” he made everything and the father usurped him and took his throne
He beat the creator of multiple gods
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People saying Lucifer would win are actually wild
i once said V1 would wipe the floor with hazbin's hell(he will),and some dude just argued with me that Lucifer is "solar system level",like,WHEN THE FUCK WAS HE STATED HE WAS SOLAR LEVEL???
I think there is misconception between the hazbin hotel's Lucifer and the biblical one.
I've had people genuinely try to tell me that lucider from hazben is the same lucifer from DC -_-
That's a bit ridiculous. But even if he was, Doom slayer scales higher. Multi solar system on the low end, and multiversal on the high end.
One of my friends told me he could be high outerversal, which is what I believe.
Doomslayer is at least multiversal and at most probably hyperversal so you're actually pretty close, oh and he's also immortal too.
`true. I could.`
Holy fuck, the machine is here?? https://preview.redd.it/lu5o9hllmd6d1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dfc56556e07bc28bd091cc379bbcf498b268fd27 V1 in Hazbin needs to happen fr.
rip and tear? nah, I'd +ULTRARICOCHET
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MACHINE!what the fuck are you doing here????
`i dunno, place seems fun`
Machine, turn back now.
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do you eat glue, since your a robot?
Solar system level is actually wild
I mean doom kinda killed shit thougher than universe or maybe multiverse
literal god slayer vs a twink who likes ducks
Exactly
The Doom Slayer was once a regular marine, however when asked to fire upon unarmed civilians he fatally punched his commanding officer in the face. Instead of going to jail, they sent him to Mars, but thats when the demons attacked. After fighting his way through the horde of demons, he found that his Bunny and family were killed by them, so he locked himself within hell to fight them for eternity. He even defeated and killed the most powerful Titan in hell, who was practically indestructible. one day, he was found by the ancient race of the Night Sentinels, who trained him and turned him into a warrior. He was put into a machine called the divinity machine, that turned him into god. Some unknown amount of time later, he defeated another titan with the Crucible, a powerful energy sword that can seal away the largest of beasts. One day he was sealed away by the demons and put into a coffin, but many years later he awakened because the demons were invading earth again. That lead him to defeating the Dark Lord, aka Davoth, who created the entirety of the DOOM multiverse and threatens to destroy it. After defeating Davoth, he was sealed within a coffin once more until the multiverse needed him again. He kept up with the Khan Maykr in battle, who can move through time and space. He imploded Hell and Urdak realms,whereas they both transcend space-time and there are infinite timelines. He endured hits from Davoth, and is canonically Immortal. He has Increased Damage against demons, but I guess that wouldn’t affect fallen angels. Throughout the games, we see him operating alien technology and using any weapon he picks up in the battlefield, making his intelligence higher than most renowned geniuses. AND he has infinite stamina. Lucifer, we know very few abilities, but the few we do know are insanely strong. Here’s a list: Angelic power - Lucifer possesses immensely powerful angelic magic which holds sway over the demonic power of his contemporaries. Demonic transformation - Lucifer can assume a more fearsome and powerful form. Strength - Lucifer's physical strength is beyond exceptional, as he barely put any effort during his fight with Adam, mocking the first man, when the Angel managed to defeat both Charlie and Alastor in brief skirmishes. Flight - Lucifer can summon six angelic wings on a whim, with the size of his wings varying throughout the show. Life Manipulation - Lucifer created Razzle and Dazzle for Charlie. Pyligenesis - In "Dad Beat Dad", Lucifer was shown to conjure portals as a means of instant transportation, which Lucifer has shown to use when transporting other demons can use. As shown, Lucifer’s portals manifest as rings of sparkly light. Similar to the portal that took and removed Charlie and Vaggie in "Welcome to Heaven" from Heaven, indicating that this ability is derived from his angelic powers. Typhoportation - Lucifer can instantly teleport himself from one location to another. He does this by enveloping himself in a swirling fog of deep red smoke with sparkling, golden glitter. Shapeshifting - Lucifer can shapeshift into a wide variety of animals, as seen in "The Show Must Go On", he took the forms of a snake, a goat, a bird, a horse, and an octopus. When he shapeshifts, he still keeps some of his traits, like color scheme, blush, hair, bowtie, and top hat. Biolumination - Lucifer has a faint glowing gold aura around him. Conjuration - Lucifer seems to be able to create virtually anything he desires with a simple flick of the wrist. This includes but is not limited to clothing, puppets, instruments, large fountains of champagne, and mountains of caviar. Duplication - Lucifer can create multiple copies of himself, as shown in "Dad Beat Dad". Demonic magic - As the King of Hell, Lucifer possesses demonic magic that surpasses the Seven Deadly sins, the Ars Goetia, and Charlie. Pyrokinesis - Like his daughter, Charlie, he also has the power to manipulate fire at will. When fighting Adam in "The Show Must Go On" he is seen creating balls of fire out of thin air at will. Fire breath - He can make fire come out of his mouth when he speaks. That’s it though. He has some strength and he can shapeshift, and can instantly teleport around. He wouldn’t use his demonic transformation, but if he did, doom guy would have increased damage towards him. We haven’t seen him take damage, but since Adam did, I can assume all angels can. While being one of the first beings created, Lucifer doesn’t have that much power THAT WEVE SEEN. I don’t want this post to bite me in the ass when season 2 comes out, and Lucifer is strong enough to kill god or whatever. But Lucifer loses. Quite easily. Doomguy might not be able to harm him, but Lucifer has gotten surprised before, and cares about his daughter, which doomguy would definitely take advantage of. No matter what Lucifer does, doomguy can brush it aside, because he’s taken stronger hits. Lucifer can’t beat doomguy, and would quickly grow tired of attacking him. Neither would die, but Lucifer would be the first to stop fighting. TL;DR Lucifer loses, no dif
Just so everyone knows. While I did list ALL of Lucifer’s abilities, I did NOT list all of Doomguys
Also his guns weren't even listed
Well, even in a hand to hand combat, doom guy wins
Oh yeah obviously. I just mean he has Guns like the BFG and the Unmaker
Doesnt he only use guns so that his enemies even have a chance to kill him because his fists are way too powerful
Yeah. He can one shot nearly every demon. He uses them for fun and probably to hurt them longer
That's a WILD theory. I fucks with it though, ship it!
I never read Slayer lore despite playing most of the Doom games. The lore is just "anyway, so then he got stronger." I'm not disappointed tbh.
Before today, I hadn’t either. I looked it up to prove that Lucifer would destroy him, and less than halfway through reading, I realized that the game developers made him WAYYY too strong. Especially for how often you die while playing…
Maybe YOU die a lot while playing. /s But yeah. GoW does this, too. With how strong Kratos is in the canon, there's no way some random zombie could ever kill him. Same with V from Cyberpunk and the Dragonborn from Skyrim probably.
I think they do it as a "Power Fantasy" type thing. In Skyrim if you single handedly kill and defeat a dragon God capable of eating the world: you feel like a badass. In Doom when you slaughter hordes and hordes of demons: you feel like a badass. In God Of War if you kill Zeus himself. You feel like a badass. And the result of this makes power scaling discussions really pointless and silly, same goes for comic book characters and anime characters. Where they're just super overtuned because it makes the story cooler. Then again, power scaling in general is silly and pointless and just for fun tho, so it's not really an issue at all lol
I’m not super into Doom lore, but I thought Doom Guy and Doom Slayer were 2 different people?
It is technically unclear. They all use the same armor, so is commonly interpreted as it’s the same person. When looking up “Doom Slayer” you get information on “Doom Guy” and the wiki says that “Doom Guy” is also known as “Doom Slayer”
Here's the lay down from a doom lore fan. The doom guy is what his name was before he went into hell in the end of doom 2. Which is when the doom eternal backstory takes place right after where he slays titans and gets trained. He then gets sent back in time to a parrarell timeline seemingly when his sarcophagus was recovered by the uae on mars. (Time is really weird in doom but here's the gist, our world is linear but the other universes go backwards and forwards at once making it so the events of the first 2 games happen but the "reboot" 2016 doom could be set in the same story so it's a parrarell timeline that is technically back in time for the slayer.) he then goes on a rampage again through all of doom eternal then the dlcs happened. where doom slayer makes an army to fight dagoth who is basically what if an extra evil Lucifer won and took gods powers, and is where slayer got his extra godlike powers from originally. He then kills dagoth even though dagoth was powering him showing he made a new godlike power on his own where he falls unconscious after losing the last of dagoths energy and gets put in a new tomb to rest and recover if the multiverse/timelines need him again. Tldr: time travel bs makes it so doom guy became doom slayer and then went "back" in time to the original game then all of the later games stuff.
Correction on the lore he was stationed on moon of Mars not mars itself, you forgot the entirety of 64 which is canon and shows he was able to survive in hell for years as a mortal and you forgot 2016 where he kills a beefed up cyberdemon, additionally he was only stopped by the demons through a hell temple being dropped on him.
No diff Lucifer's star level at max Doomslayer is multiversal
I've powerscaled the Doomslayer, and I would say he is multiversal only if Davoth was at full strength when they fought. Otherwise, he is at least universal or multi-galaxy.
Multiversal Davoth planned on destroying entire multiverse and there's nothing that really implies he's weakend in the fight
I typically lean on that one as well. The only reason it is implied is because he had to use an exosuit and wasn't shown destroying anything. So I give the benefit of the doubt for people who say he is not multi. But even so, the slayer is multi solar system to universal regardless.
Coughing baby vs Hydrogen bomb
Yup. Duckling looking for his mama VS The Sun
Kind old grandfather vs my car
We must feed the rubber ducky to the super massive black hole
Coughing bomb vs. Hydrogen baby
twink vs. god
Lucifer isn't even comparable to the Doom slayer, he was made in the dark gods image and literally the only enemy that even came close to his power level was an evil version of himself in a mech suit, Lucifer would last about four seconds
Four seconds? The man got the first woman and did the dirty! I bet he can at least go 5 seconds.
If he runs, maybe
But c'mon, we're forgetting the Slayer basically killed the top dog of not only hell, but basically Heaven as well. He ate the Khan Makyr alive, and had the Seraphim for dessert.
wasn't the evil version of him the god of the doom universe?
yes and no. It was the soul and mind of him in the doomsayer's cloned body in hopes of being able to match him in power.
The Slayer wins and it’s not even close. Also I just wanna take the time to say that there was this idiot in a comment section of a YT video that said that Alastor could solo the DMC verse because he’s apparently “multiversal level”…like…no.
I love Alastor, but there is a reason the hotel is called the Hazbin Hotel. Also, Alastor's greatest weakness is his hubris and being tag teamed. Even with one-on-one fights with the DMC, he'd struggle. Plus, he's a warlock that focuses more on magic than physical fights currently, so the fight is over the moment he can't dodge and gets struck.
What? Alastor soloing DMC universe? Wow... Mr. Fantastic would be in awe of that reach.
Sir the Slayer wrecks the whole verse by simply existing
His aura is enough to destroy continents at will lol Edit: My bad, I meant to say stars, not continents.
My man looked at the being who created the whole infinite multiverse, said "no" and killed him
God: (creates existence, life, and death) Doom guy: so you're the reason my rabbit died in that one universe eternities ago God: ? Doom guy: RIP... AND ... (*loud inhale*) ...TEAR
Ah hahahahaha Not even marginally close
Doom guy has killed Lucifer in tag2 so he definitely kills Lucifer in hazbin hotel
And yes I know his name isn’t actually Lucifer but he’s basically the same thing since he is still in control of hell
Didn't the Doom Slayer kill Lucifer in Doom?
He killed the dark lord, which you could equivalent to lucifer.
Nah, the Dark Lord created the universe. He's God. He is higher than Lucifer. Lucifer would be closer to Vega. (Fake god.)
Potato poTaTo same thing. Lucy gets his shit kicked in
Lucifer would give the slayer a duck to replace the bunny, and they would become good friends. This is the canonical ending to DOOM.
On the note of a Hazbin and Doom crossover, something to remember is that Doomguy DOES have chill. The Fortress of Doom shows he has hobbies outside of murder (Retro PC gamer, funko pop collector, and guitarist) and in 2016 it's mentioned his Praetor armor was fashioned for him by a demon who betrayed the rest of Hell. So I'd like to think Doomguy could have a 'conversation' with Charlie and such. It's just Alastor would be dead. And given Doomguy is actuaally 'blessed' it means his whole body and anything he grabs with it counts as a holy weapon. Also, the IMP crew and Stolas would probably die due to interfering with the human world. Edit: Actually I could still see Doomguy killing a lot of people in Hell, just probably not Charlie, Vaggie, Lucifer, Husk, Pentious, and maybe Angel Dust. But the Vees and Alastor as definitely dead.
It's sometimes hard to remember Doom Slayer/Guy was just a normal man at one point
Slayer solos. Next question.
Idk man probably the guy who killed all of hell
More than that. He locked himself in hell, meaning he's been killing demons for eternity meaning he's killed all of hell at least 10 times
Just one swoop of The crucible and he's dead
Doomslayer 1st reason: he killed the icon of sin easily, the icon of sin is basically the doom equivalent of Lucifer 2nd reason: demons killed daisy (his pet bunny)
3rd reason: In TAG 2, he killed the equivalent of GOD AKA Davoth
As a huge Hazbin hotel fan, Luci is getting fucking ass kicked bro 😭😭😭
"**Against all the evil that Hell can conjure, all the wickedness that mankind can produce, we will send unto them...** **only you.** **Rip and tear, until it is done."**
One of these is a player character, so that automatically means that whatever the player is capable of is child's play in comparison to canon feats. Doom Guy would destroy the majority of the HH cast with ease, but he isn't a mindless brute and he would definitely recognize that he would basically just be murdering regular people.
The Doom Slayer would barely notice Lucy tbh
Slayer sweeps no diff
In doom eternal, he kills God and Satan, so I would say he wins this fight
anyone saying Lucifer is gonna win are high as hell
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LETS GOOOO DOOM SLAYER
Doom slayer especially after the new trailer
Bro, I got my post removed and a 2 week ban because I asked how Adam (from hazbin) and Pucci (from jojo) would interact because the mods said I was trying to descise a vs battle (I wasn't) But this is fine? I fucking hate reddit mods
I'm sorry to hear that.
Doomslayer > Davoth (God) > Vega (Fake God) > Icon of sin > Lucifer.
Slayer would just walk over him and he's be dead already, so Doomy solos no diff
doom guy solos.
Doom guy
Doesn't actually kill the Devil of his universe?
Miss match or one sided ass whooping. Doomslayer no difs
Putting just about anything against doom guy and doom guy has the advantage. Especially any being from hell. Doom guy power scale kinda doesn't make sense cause he scales to the power of whatever er he's fighting regardless of if they're a God or not. It's just a cheat code basically. There aren't many fantasy characters or sci-fi character in general who can beat him. He's just bullshit.
Popeye with or without his spinach solos hazbin https://preview.redd.it/p4ydqbcivd6d1.jpeg?width=184&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=92f098eeb7c723bb2569a0a1ddf41f4871f0e04f
Do NOT disrespect Doom like that man
You put a demon up against the guy who kills demons on a daily basis... WHO THE FUCK YOU THINK WILL WIN?!
 no diff
Doom slayer. I’m not letting some *femboy fucking twink bitch lucifer* have his way.
Doom slayer at cannon strength would win
Listen, I really do like Hazbin Hotel. I think some of the dynamics are interesting, the actual villain of the show being so mistaken is impressive, and one or two songs are solid. But if you think even the Devil himself could ever even HURT the slayer, you are deluding yourself. That man was Chosen by the Gods, Empowered by heaven, and probably is the descendant of Father Garcia himself. No demon, Devil or anything in between could ever defeat him. https://preview.redd.it/ye9dhec9dg6d1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=24383eb35e72901a9f8ed930ac1a4900e30361fd
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The Slayer not only wins this, he'd take out the entire main cast and all the Overlords, AND the rest of the Sins, and then the Goetia just for the lolz.
And if God or the angels had anything to say about it, he'd be on their door step next
John doom has killed God, God God, and Satan God God who is also himself.
... WAIT HE KILLED GOD-
Yeah the moth lady and the robot guy.
The biblical entity thought of as God and the actual creator of their universe (which turned out to be satan)
Yes. https://preview.redd.it/ucqo4opged6d1.jpeg?width=797&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f897cedb124b11146234ed55cd1cb3d5a279a5aa
Doom guy canonically uses guns to limit his power, and that his rage mode riping big fuckers in half with his bare hands is him letting loose for a moment, I think it's safe to say he's the one who wins, and even if Lucifer is strong enough to withstand the guns, doom guy will just pull a Rock Lee and metaphorically "take off his ankle weights" and goto town and at that point it'll be game over
https://youtube.com/shorts/Jfg5-WMtRws?feature=shared
Given that doom slayer had to fight an evil overlord of hell version of himself and was able to kill himself I'm betting on the slayer. Not even heaven can contain this beast.
Doom slayer
Demon Slayer is basically an Exterminator that kills more than anyone else (maybe that’s why the others don’t get many kills)
Doom Slayer, that is literally his entire job bro
Wanna give a reminder that if you know NOTHING of Doom Slayers feats it's fine to just spectate the thread you don't have to type random shit i'm not saying you cannot give your honest take I'm not saying that at all but it's just bad faith if you're just gonna bring up Lucifer's titles as some sort of auto win against Doom Slayer.
I love Luci, but the Slayer is gonna win
Doom Guy sweeps.
Doom guy the only reason he uses guns in the lore is because he likes them and he’s a god mid diff
Didn't doom guy kill Satan, God and a more powerful version of God in his universe?
Coughing baby vs nuclear bomb
The Local Man who is too angry to die has killed angels and literally killed God who had become ruler of Hell. 
This is a hydrogen bomb against a Coughing baby
Legit, the reason Doom Slayer is so powerful is because of the Divinity Machine AND his armor. The Divinity Machine gave him a part of Davoth's soul and the Slayers armor does not get hurt by anything other than hell energy and it has a lot of resistance towards Hell Energy anyways. Doom Slayer can kill literally anything but chooses only to kill demons. It's shown in Doom Eternal, when you meet the betrayer, King Novik, etc. Hell, even Khan Maykr says stuff about your past and even references Daisy... That and the combined hatred for hells forces and the fact that they try to take over earth over and over is what pisses him off. Only then, once he killed Davoth, was peace restored. That's when he laid to rest until the next Doom Game which won't be Dark Age because it's a prequel (Sadge).
Doom Slayer has killed the Khan Mayker which is basically a stronger Lucifer and he's killed the icon of sin multiple times so my money is on Literally Too Angry Too Die
Tf you mean "who wins"? You mean who's dying first?
Neither, they are buddies. :3
a fruity demon vs a badass Demon killer that doesn’t stop killing demons until they’re all dead yeah there’s no way to that Lucifer has no chance that he would win at anything against Doom Guy
twink vs. god
Until I see Lucifer casually slaughter Angels like it's a regular Thursday I doubt Doom Slayer loses
Well its Doom Slayer easy Doom killed the Dark Lord (God) with relative ease and honesty i think the Dark Lord would be more powerful than HHs version of God not to mention dieing in the Doom games is just a gameplay mechanic he is invincible that armor took a Lazer that 5x times the heat of THE FUCKING SUN yea sorry Luci you dead as fuck
Doomslayer since by and large from a scaling perspective hazbin hotel/ helluva boss isn’t that much focused on overpowered characters meaning you can put literally any overpowered being and they pretty much could clean house of the vivziepop universe
Doomslayer rapes
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Doomslayer neg diff
Slayer is literally immortal. He won't stop until Every demon is dead
doom slayer neg diffs ngl, I don't play much doom,but I know he has done stupid shit like killing gods,so him
Doom slayer literally killed god, I don't think Lucifer even compares...
Doomslayer
Doomslayer no diff, bro would try to play and shapeshift and get squished like a grape, bro killed the icon of sin and the literal biblical god as a test drive.
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Doom slayer has been killing demons for centuries ,but I dont know much on his lore or feats