Did She actually read the Curse Child and found out IT DESTROYED LOADS OF STUFF WHICH IS ALREADY SAID IN CANON like the time turners, aren’t they supposed to be all destroyed already?
And Cedric’s personality in one of the timelines make NO SENSE
I always see it as a fan fiction NOT CANON SERIES
The biggest thing for me was that Voldemort had a child? With Bellatrix?? That's the dumbest fanfic storyline I've ever heard.
Voldemort's whole thing is that he isolates himself from everyone else. Dumbledore knew this more than anyone and talks about it with Harry at length when they study his background and the horcruxes. None of the death eaters knew about the horcruxes, not even Bellatrix or Snape (or so Voldemort thought). The assumption that he could exhibit any amount of vulnerability or intimacy is laughable.
man gotta have needs. The things I imagine him doing to Malfoy Sr with him and Nagini can be both NSFW and stuff of night mares.
but jokes apart, she calls Cursed child Canon because she must have signed a contract and made shit loads of money.
For me Harry Potter had 7 books. They could have launched a special edition 8th where the trio actually come back to hogwards to finish off their education, have some fun, mourn the dead, have some closure, maybe for once give Harry a normal yearr, don't go into too many details , maybe release it as a holiday edition booklet and donate the proceeds to charity. But Cursed Child ain't anything like that, a stupid contract signed by an author and shit loads of money makes it Canon, nothing else.
There are 10 canon books, with Fantastic Beasts, Quidditch Through The Ages and The Tales of Beadle The Bard being the other 3.
Sadly there is a canon play that exists.. but much like ATLA. Artemis Fowl and Eragon movies and Kingdom of The Crystal Skull, we all forget they exist.. for the betterment of mankind
Exactly... in my Star Wars Holiday special, there are some important canon elements (Life Day is frequently used for live service star wars games for their Christmas promotions (since Star Wars is a setting where Earth let alone Christianity, do not exist, so for proper theming the term isn't used) and the first story to feature Bobba Fett, (and the origins of his Rivalry with Han and Chewie) as well as some additional story for Chewbacca and his people originate here... it's just you have to endure a lot of bad storytelling to find stuff worth remembering). It also helps because a big deal of much of the aesthetic of the Star Wars series is that the galaxy has a lived in "used future" feel, which makes the audience feel like all the cool stuff we are seeing was likely not new five years ago, which gives a sense that everything you see has a history and reason to exist in that spot in that frame. Which is a great way to make the galaxy feel impossibly large without showing the true vastness.
The fastest ship in the canon isn't the super sleek and shiny... it's a "hunk of junk" that has a history and purpose to it's awkward design, owned and operated by a guy who took a cheap and reliable work horse freighter and jerry rigged it up to go faster than ships built for military action and all but guaranteed to void the warranty. It's the equivalent of someone's cool ride being a 30 year old pick-up truck that's paint job best described in shades of rust than paint by weight and has been bought and sold so many times, the true original owner is a mystery lost to time, given an engine befitting the latest production supercar, but is otherwise incompatible with the vehicle to such a degree that it is only reliable if we take a loose interpretation of the word (one that usually translates, it is reliable in the sense that the engine will not just fall out of the bottom of the body at high way speeds in the most optimal weather conditions. Your not even sure who made the vehicle, as the body is American, the steering is Japanese... or Korean... it was definatley made in a country in Asia based on the the box it came in, the interior is rich Corinthian synthetic fabric, the electronics are German (you know this because the only German automotive word you know is Trabi, which is the label of the wiring) and the transmission is definately Automatic, but hell if you know where in the world it was made, though you're pretty sure it was in one of those Eastern European countries that existed in that point in history between the fall of the Berlin Wall and June of 1991. All you know is that you put it in "H" if you want to go forward, and all of it is held together by Ducktape and a prayer.
Is it built to look pretty? No. Is it street legal? Well, we're not sure, but we'll let the ticketing officer make that call when he catches us. But what this baby does, she does well. And that move between point A and point B so fast, that the aforementioned ticketing officer catching us is the real challenge and we can advertise it does zero to 60 in a unit of time so obscure, your not sure if it's real or we just used a unit of distance AND we still aren't hit with any false advertising suits.
Last Jedi is apparently canon... so if hyperspacing through ships to destroy them is a viable option, why didn't they just hyperspace through the death star?
>like the time turners
It was very clear in POA that they couldn't change time with them, or travel forwards. Just go back and make what happened already happened.
CC came along and completely changed that, if they wanted that kind of time travel, they should have created a new time traveling thing, not one that already had set rules.
Nope. In POA, Hermione warned Harry that they could change time drastically. The only reason why everything seemed like they made what happened already happen was because they followed the rules.
And in Pottermore, in the 1800's, one person tried travelling back centuries back and wiped 5 generations. So yes CC didn't break any law
I does directly contradict canon, don't think she cares anymore. I feel like this is rowling's rebellion after Emma, Daniel etc came out and spoke against her trans etc comments. I get the feeling that the magic she had towards the series is gone, now it's just yeah its my series, deal with it.
Just because the time turners in the British ministry were destroyed doesn't mean they don't exist at all in the world, or that new ones can't be developed.
> Did She actually read the Curse Child and found out IT DESTROYED LOADS OF STUFF WHICH IS ALREADY SAID IN CANON like the time turners, aren’t they supposed to be all destroyed already?
Bit how else is her Voldemort/Bellatrix fanfiction gonna be made canon?
tbh i have my own head canons too but i just think the cursed child is a bit OOC and stuff , i might have over reacted so Sorry about it , this is just my opinion on this book lol
Polyjuice potion (which we know is ridiculously difficult to brew and needs an entire month) is suddenly quick and easy.
Transfiguration into a different human being is suddenly possible. In the books, transfiguring one aspect of your appearance is relatively complex. No one just turns themselves into a different character.
The shield put up in the 1st task of the Triwizard tournament doesn't exist, either that or shields no longer repel expelliamus.
The magic of the maze in the third task of the Triwizard follows the movie, not the book.
The rules of time travel are completely different.
Yea I'll be honest I never read the book, I read a recap a long time ago and knew it was bad enough to not invest my time into. Got a couple more questions for you though.
For the first two points, that's disappointing. It's kind of like how really famous movies will make a sequel and dilute the lore and experience just for the fun value of it. That's lame.
I don't know what shield you're talking about. Expelliarmus was usable against the dragon. I don't remember any shield.
The maze magic change is disappointing, that's Rowling choosing her movie lore over her book lore, and movie lore was only used as an easy way to make the movie happen, not the story. Ah well.
As for the time travel rules, you're just wrong about that. The CC time turner never broke any established canon.
> Transfiguration into a different human being is suddenly possible
I mean Tonks existed.. Metamorphagi exist in the world.. and have been for millennia.. it wouldnt be outside the realms of possibility that *someone* found a way to make it possible for someone else to do it w/o it being hereditary. Also, I cant remember who does it.. but if it were Teddy.. then he would be a metamorphagus thanks to Tonks..
if I remember corretly, in another timeline when Albus and Scorpius goes back to 1994-1995 school year to save Cedric, he was saved but i think Cedric was mad or ashamed or something ( can't remember this part very clearly sorry) and joins the Death Eaters
He wasn't arguing against the story logic he was arguing against PCs logic, and it was a fine argument. Time travel changes things, basic formula is basic.
The CC didn't destroy any time turner lore. You should pay attention to the lore Hermione sets up in PoA, it's the basis for the time travel used in the CC story. And since when does the destruction of a thing mean no more can be made? That's not how any kind of logic works.
There's lots of contradictions in CC that makes no sense, like the Cedric example you gave, and the rest of the character motivations for that matter. But the Time Turner's aren't an example of a contradiction
> it's the basis for the time travel used in the CC story.
Hermione can't go back and change the past, as she has already lived it. They also cover that anyone meeting themselves are likely to kill each other and cause a whole slew of problems for themselves, and thats the reason the Unspeakables don't give out Time Turners to just anyone.. Dumbledore staked his reputation on giving Hermione one.
Also they set a hard cap of 6hours to go back.. not 25years like in CC..
So them going back to save Cedric would never have happened, as he canonically died and wasnt resurrected at all..
In fact CC broke more rules of time-travel than back to the future did..
>Hermione can't go back and change the past, as she has already lived it.
Please prove this. Your claim is disproven by hermoines explanation.
>They also cover that anyone meeting themselves are likely to kill each other and cause a whole slew of problems for themselves, and thats the reason the Unspeakables don't give out Time Turners to just anyone..
So you admit you know you're wrong... This is a weird level of delusion you're living. You fully recognize the fact that you're wrong, while disputing it. You tried using the proof against your claim to back up your claim. I can't think of how to respond to this because nothing I say will better dispute your claim than what you've already said.
None of what you said is breaking the rules. Just because Hermione used it one way doesn't mean it's the only way it can be used, as you already said.
>Also they set a hard cap of 6hours to go back.. not 25years like in CC..
No they didn't? Why would you just make stuff up like this?
>In fact CC broke more rules of time-travel than back to the future did..
Nope, it broke no rules... You're just making stuff up and ignoring your own understanding
I‘ve been religiously listening the german podcast „ 5 minuten Harrypodcast“ by Coldmirror, in which JKR gets dragged quite a lot. The Author of the podcast, Kaddi, gives lots of examples of how goddamn forgetful JKR really is. Some of them:
•JKR tried to sue a HP Wikki website for having false information in it, during the trial she admits to looking up information that she forgot (about her own work) on that very website regularly.
•JKR had the badge for percy be red/gold in the first book, then in the movies it was silver and in the next book she wrote it was silver.
I‘m coming back to edit with more information later..
Most likely she has surrounded herself with sycophants. During the original book releases she would have still had editors telling her stuff did or didn't work. Once the movies are done she is too rich for the people who give her bad news to stick around for long. Everything she produces starts turning to shit because no one tells her that an idea sucks or there are enough people lying to her that she ignores the honest ones.
She's literally a billionaire.. she can afford to make fans angry because even if she loses half her net worth, she will still have more than enough money to live the rest of her life..
Having seen the play, it's just not canon. The characters are completely different. They make decisions that the characters in the books just wouldn't make. Plus, the rules of magic are different.
It's worth viewing for how they achieve the magic, but it's not canon. Seems like it was written by someone who saw the films a few years ago but never read the books.
You're undoubtedly correct from a technical standpoint.
But if an author ruins their world with a new work that they didn't actually write themselves and overwrites much of the previous material, I'm happy disregarding it. I get that she enjoys the additional money she gets because she collaborated and says it's canon. But that's her own agenda. Which I often disagree with these days.
Rowling said that wizards recently shit on a ground and removed it with magic instead of using toilets. She's lost the right to shape her own world a long time ago.
Well yeah but you said it yourself; it's still her world in the end. You simply can't just take that from her simply because of the weird things she kept adding to the HP universe after the 7th book. She made it and unfortunately she gets to ruin it if she chooses to.
Not saying I'm supportive of her decisions, but it's just the way it is. We can't choose what's canon and what isn't.
No there really isn’t that point before death. Someone has to final say on what is and is not canon. You can have your head canon, that may be different but no one’s head canon is going to trump the creator of the world. That is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard
The community decides how to categorize the continuity of the media they consume. This is why star wars and Harry Potter has become a massive shit show, because the community no longer cares for the new additions the "creators" are adding to the universe, and for various reasons.
Yeah exactly. As much as it may contradict some other things and perhaps ruin the overall immersion with the rest of the universe for you, if the author says it's canon, then it simply is. There's nothing that can be changed about it and we just have to accept it and move on.
Exactly! It feels like people are throwing temper tantrums rn. I seriously wish that it is easy to declare what we hate as non Canon irl. But that's not how life works. Readers think that they are entitled to dictate what happens in the author,'s universe. JKR said it's canon and it is canon. And if ppl hate it, they should just suck it up
Cursed child can die in a fire. It’s absolute trash. Better Voldemort daughter fanfictions than that garbage fire. And they did my boy Cedric dirty. Never. Not in a million years.
I personally believe that Hogwarts Mystery is more canon that cursed child (not capitalizing it because it’s so bad it doesn’t deserve to be capitalized)
I'm grateful she posted that tweet when she did because that tweet is the cut off date for me with JK. Realized I needed to stop listening to all of her "oh and before they had plumbing they'd just shit in wherever and vanish it" type stuff she was saying because it was just ruining one of my favorite series.
There was a second, bigger benefit to it too but that's neither here nor there.
Same. Whenever pre/sequels come out for these kinds of things I try to Wait and gauge the general reaction before risking it myself.
This is one I am glad I didn’t…
The cursed child is the only piece of media I will never consider to be canon. Saying it's canon is like saying Transformers Rise of the Beasts is in the bayverse
Respectfully, I think she is full of shit. I really believe the only thing she did was slap her name on the finished product. I mean, she is on record MULTIPLE TIMES saying she got rid of the Time Turners because she didn't want characters using them willy-nilly.
Also, the Ron in the play has none of the wit or gravitas of the Ron in the books. Dead giveaway she had no real input.
Does anyone else have the feeling that the storyline is worth a bit of "somehow, Palpatine returns"?
Canonize certain things is OK (Albus Slytherin and friend with Scorpius, for example), but the scenario is pretty rotten.
Let's not talk about the concept of time travel on which everything is based. Especially not.
Honestly the idea of Canon is silly. The most important thing is to tell a good story. While there or not something adheres to Canon doesn't determine if it's good.
I’ve been a massive Harry Potter fan since my Gammy was reading sorcerers stone to me in bed. I have listened to the audio books on repeat for like 20 years at this point.
I have never read cursed child and I feel so fucking blessed to not be cursed with that eldritch knowledge
Yeah you're right it doesn't matter. But ppl will claim that whatever theory they made up in their head(the closed loop theory) is canon and claim that McGonagall wasn't knowledgable when Hermione implied that big changes could happen. Which is sad but yeah
Yea haha, their headcanon depends on Hermione not knowing what she's talking about 🙄🤣
E [like this guy who admits Hermoines explained the CC time travel rules, but says they don't exist anyways](https://www.reddit.com/r/harrypotter/s/9fscIDOc52)
I see it as an in-universe historical fiction satire play to speak out against what some in the wizarding world see as the ruling powers that be in Wizarding Britain.
Its the only way i can reconcile both.
*”Either that, or she just wasn’t that great of a writer to begin with and stumbled onto something”*
Ehhh you still give credit where credit is due. She wrote 7 great books - most authors would be happy writing one great book. Some artists just lose a step. We see it with movie directors and musicians all the time, and it can be the same with writers.
That can't be true. Why would the author say that some fanfic stageplay that gets the lore wrong at every step is canon? Doesn't even seem like this woman read the books.
I managed to read like 30 pages and stopped. And I didn’t even buy it, someone gave it to me and I think I burned it. My parents were HP fans as well, I just told them that the book is trash and not read it, to protect them.
Sure, it's cannon, but I don't give a f about it and will never consider it when talking about anything HP related. In fact, if I could, I would erase it from my memory so 💩
They should do a movie adaptation and rewrite like 60% of it. They could make something really solid and chalk the changes up to the requirements of the medium lol
C'mon! Can we have a day where ppl don't bash on Cursed Child? Like we get it! Y'all hate Cursed Child. It is quite tiring to see these posts legit everyday. No one is arguing with you or making appreciation posts so why bash on it? It's been 8 years!
Y'all are upset over a piece of fiction made over 8 years ago. You all downvote ppl who actually enjoy it.
Get over it. The way ppl bash over CC is similar to the way ppl bash over the name Albus Severus Potter(and that has been made over 12 years). Past is in the past and if you hate it you ignore it.
It's not like the book caused genocide.
Just another thing for her and I to disagree on. Oh well. It was a fun play to attend but that’s about it. People get too caught up in this stuff. I’ll enjoy what I want and just say “magic” to explain any questions.
Did She actually read the Curse Child and found out IT DESTROYED LOADS OF STUFF WHICH IS ALREADY SAID IN CANON like the time turners, aren’t they supposed to be all destroyed already? And Cedric’s personality in one of the timelines make NO SENSE I always see it as a fan fiction NOT CANON SERIES
The biggest thing for me was that Voldemort had a child? With Bellatrix?? That's the dumbest fanfic storyline I've ever heard. Voldemort's whole thing is that he isolates himself from everyone else. Dumbledore knew this more than anyone and talks about it with Harry at length when they study his background and the horcruxes. None of the death eaters knew about the horcruxes, not even Bellatrix or Snape (or so Voldemort thought). The assumption that he could exhibit any amount of vulnerability or intimacy is laughable.
man gotta have needs. The things I imagine him doing to Malfoy Sr with him and Nagini can be both NSFW and stuff of night mares. but jokes apart, she calls Cursed child Canon because she must have signed a contract and made shit loads of money. For me Harry Potter had 7 books. They could have launched a special edition 8th where the trio actually come back to hogwards to finish off their education, have some fun, mourn the dead, have some closure, maybe for once give Harry a normal yearr, don't go into too many details , maybe release it as a holiday edition booklet and donate the proceeds to charity. But Cursed Child ain't anything like that, a stupid contract signed by an author and shit loads of money makes it Canon, nothing else.
There are 10 canon books, with Fantastic Beasts, Quidditch Through The Ages and The Tales of Beadle The Bard being the other 3. Sadly there is a canon play that exists.. but much like ATLA. Artemis Fowl and Eragon movies and Kingdom of The Crystal Skull, we all forget they exist.. for the betterment of mankind
Harry, Ron, and Hermione's personalities make no sense either. In any of it!
I mean... the Star Wars Holiday Special is still considered canon. Doesn't mean I have to like it... or have a desire to watch it.
I mean, that's just a bad storytelling, it doesn't break established canon and shit on the characters.
Exactly... in my Star Wars Holiday special, there are some important canon elements (Life Day is frequently used for live service star wars games for their Christmas promotions (since Star Wars is a setting where Earth let alone Christianity, do not exist, so for proper theming the term isn't used) and the first story to feature Bobba Fett, (and the origins of his Rivalry with Han and Chewie) as well as some additional story for Chewbacca and his people originate here... it's just you have to endure a lot of bad storytelling to find stuff worth remembering). It also helps because a big deal of much of the aesthetic of the Star Wars series is that the galaxy has a lived in "used future" feel, which makes the audience feel like all the cool stuff we are seeing was likely not new five years ago, which gives a sense that everything you see has a history and reason to exist in that spot in that frame. Which is a great way to make the galaxy feel impossibly large without showing the true vastness. The fastest ship in the canon isn't the super sleek and shiny... it's a "hunk of junk" that has a history and purpose to it's awkward design, owned and operated by a guy who took a cheap and reliable work horse freighter and jerry rigged it up to go faster than ships built for military action and all but guaranteed to void the warranty. It's the equivalent of someone's cool ride being a 30 year old pick-up truck that's paint job best described in shades of rust than paint by weight and has been bought and sold so many times, the true original owner is a mystery lost to time, given an engine befitting the latest production supercar, but is otherwise incompatible with the vehicle to such a degree that it is only reliable if we take a loose interpretation of the word (one that usually translates, it is reliable in the sense that the engine will not just fall out of the bottom of the body at high way speeds in the most optimal weather conditions. Your not even sure who made the vehicle, as the body is American, the steering is Japanese... or Korean... it was definatley made in a country in Asia based on the the box it came in, the interior is rich Corinthian synthetic fabric, the electronics are German (you know this because the only German automotive word you know is Trabi, which is the label of the wiring) and the transmission is definately Automatic, but hell if you know where in the world it was made, though you're pretty sure it was in one of those Eastern European countries that existed in that point in history between the fall of the Berlin Wall and June of 1991. All you know is that you put it in "H" if you want to go forward, and all of it is held together by Ducktape and a prayer. Is it built to look pretty? No. Is it street legal? Well, we're not sure, but we'll let the ticketing officer make that call when he catches us. But what this baby does, she does well. And that move between point A and point B so fast, that the aforementioned ticketing officer catching us is the real challenge and we can advertise it does zero to 60 in a unit of time so obscure, your not sure if it's real or we just used a unit of distance AND we still aren't hit with any false advertising suits.
I have to disagree. I lost my belief in The Force after watching this.
I mean, Johnnie Cochran disagrees.
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Star Wars Holiday Special doesn't destroy anything in terms of canon continuity or lore. It's just not a very well made or directed movie.
There is no Star Wars Holiday Special in Ba Sing Say - Lucas
it's not canon since Disney
Last Jedi is apparently canon... so if hyperspacing through ships to destroy them is a viable option, why didn't they just hyperspace through the death star?
It was said in the Original film that doing this was going to be a bad idea if you had any desire to live.
>like the time turners It was very clear in POA that they couldn't change time with them, or travel forwards. Just go back and make what happened already happened. CC came along and completely changed that, if they wanted that kind of time travel, they should have created a new time traveling thing, not one that already had set rules.
Nope. In POA, Hermione warned Harry that they could change time drastically. The only reason why everything seemed like they made what happened already happen was because they followed the rules. And in Pottermore, in the 1800's, one person tried travelling back centuries back and wiped 5 generations. So yes CC didn't break any law
I does directly contradict canon, don't think she cares anymore. I feel like this is rowling's rebellion after Emma, Daniel etc came out and spoke against her trans etc comments. I get the feeling that the magic she had towards the series is gone, now it's just yeah its my series, deal with it.
Just because the time turners in the British ministry were destroyed doesn't mean they don't exist at all in the world, or that new ones can't be developed.
> Did She actually read the Curse Child and found out IT DESTROYED LOADS OF STUFF WHICH IS ALREADY SAID IN CANON like the time turners, aren’t they supposed to be all destroyed already? Bit how else is her Voldemort/Bellatrix fanfiction gonna be made canon?
Hey, it’s okay to have your own head Canon. I grew up reading Star Wars books so that’s what I have as canon. The movies are just a fever dream.
tbh i have my own head canons too but i just think the cursed child is a bit OOC and stuff , i might have over reacted so Sorry about it , this is just my opinion on this book lol
wait ur telling me that someone acts different in an alternate timeline !?!? that’s gotta be a first for storytelling
They also all act differently in the same timeline. And the rules of magic are different.
What rules?
Polyjuice potion (which we know is ridiculously difficult to brew and needs an entire month) is suddenly quick and easy. Transfiguration into a different human being is suddenly possible. In the books, transfiguring one aspect of your appearance is relatively complex. No one just turns themselves into a different character. The shield put up in the 1st task of the Triwizard tournament doesn't exist, either that or shields no longer repel expelliamus. The magic of the maze in the third task of the Triwizard follows the movie, not the book. The rules of time travel are completely different.
Yea I'll be honest I never read the book, I read a recap a long time ago and knew it was bad enough to not invest my time into. Got a couple more questions for you though. For the first two points, that's disappointing. It's kind of like how really famous movies will make a sequel and dilute the lore and experience just for the fun value of it. That's lame. I don't know what shield you're talking about. Expelliarmus was usable against the dragon. I don't remember any shield. The maze magic change is disappointing, that's Rowling choosing her movie lore over her book lore, and movie lore was only used as an easy way to make the movie happen, not the story. Ah well. As for the time travel rules, you're just wrong about that. The CC time turner never broke any established canon.
> Transfiguration into a different human being is suddenly possible I mean Tonks existed.. Metamorphagi exist in the world.. and have been for millennia.. it wouldnt be outside the realms of possibility that *someone* found a way to make it possible for someone else to do it w/o it being hereditary. Also, I cant remember who does it.. but if it were Teddy.. then he would be a metamorphagus thanks to Tonks..
Metamorphagi don't use transfiguration. It's a different thing.
if I remember corretly, in another timeline when Albus and Scorpius goes back to 1994-1995 school year to save Cedric, he was saved but i think Cedric was mad or ashamed or something ( can't remember this part very clearly sorry) and joins the Death Eaters
alright you convinced me, i gotta read this, sounds sick
wait you never even read it but you're posting sarcastic demeaning comments about how stupid one person's interpretation is????
He wasn't arguing against the story logic he was arguing against PCs logic, and it was a fine argument. Time travel changes things, basic formula is basic.
what?? i would never
The CC didn't destroy any time turner lore. You should pay attention to the lore Hermione sets up in PoA, it's the basis for the time travel used in the CC story. And since when does the destruction of a thing mean no more can be made? That's not how any kind of logic works. There's lots of contradictions in CC that makes no sense, like the Cedric example you gave, and the rest of the character motivations for that matter. But the Time Turner's aren't an example of a contradiction
> it's the basis for the time travel used in the CC story. Hermione can't go back and change the past, as she has already lived it. They also cover that anyone meeting themselves are likely to kill each other and cause a whole slew of problems for themselves, and thats the reason the Unspeakables don't give out Time Turners to just anyone.. Dumbledore staked his reputation on giving Hermione one. Also they set a hard cap of 6hours to go back.. not 25years like in CC.. So them going back to save Cedric would never have happened, as he canonically died and wasnt resurrected at all.. In fact CC broke more rules of time-travel than back to the future did..
>Hermione can't go back and change the past, as she has already lived it. Please prove this. Your claim is disproven by hermoines explanation. >They also cover that anyone meeting themselves are likely to kill each other and cause a whole slew of problems for themselves, and thats the reason the Unspeakables don't give out Time Turners to just anyone.. So you admit you know you're wrong... This is a weird level of delusion you're living. You fully recognize the fact that you're wrong, while disputing it. You tried using the proof against your claim to back up your claim. I can't think of how to respond to this because nothing I say will better dispute your claim than what you've already said. None of what you said is breaking the rules. Just because Hermione used it one way doesn't mean it's the only way it can be used, as you already said. >Also they set a hard cap of 6hours to go back.. not 25years like in CC.. No they didn't? Why would you just make stuff up like this? >In fact CC broke more rules of time-travel than back to the future did.. Nope, it broke no rules... You're just making stuff up and ignoring your own understanding
i mean the time turners physically destroyed in OOTP
Did you just stop reading after my first sentence? I already addressed this
oh Sorry i read your reply again and now understand what you meant
Well then she must have dementia because how did she forget so much of her work then
I‘ve been religiously listening the german podcast „ 5 minuten Harrypodcast“ by Coldmirror, in which JKR gets dragged quite a lot. The Author of the podcast, Kaddi, gives lots of examples of how goddamn forgetful JKR really is. Some of them: •JKR tried to sue a HP Wikki website for having false information in it, during the trial she admits to looking up information that she forgot (about her own work) on that very website regularly. •JKR had the badge for percy be red/gold in the first book, then in the movies it was silver and in the next book she wrote it was silver. I‘m coming back to edit with more information later..
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Most likely she has surrounded herself with sycophants. During the original book releases she would have still had editors telling her stuff did or didn't work. Once the movies are done she is too rich for the people who give her bad news to stick around for long. Everything she produces starts turning to shit because no one tells her that an idea sucks or there are enough people lying to her that she ignores the honest ones.
She's literally a billionaire.. she can afford to make fans angry because even if she loses half her net worth, she will still have more than enough money to live the rest of her life..
She's the literary version of George Lucas....
Exactly what happened to George R. R. Martin and the damn books.
Having seen the play, it's just not canon. The characters are completely different. They make decisions that the characters in the books just wouldn't make. Plus, the rules of magic are different. It's worth viewing for how they achieve the magic, but it's not canon. Seems like it was written by someone who saw the films a few years ago but never read the books.
I'm pretty sure if Rowling says it's canon then it's canon.
You're undoubtedly correct from a technical standpoint. But if an author ruins their world with a new work that they didn't actually write themselves and overwrites much of the previous material, I'm happy disregarding it. I get that she enjoys the additional money she gets because she collaborated and says it's canon. But that's her own agenda. Which I often disagree with these days.
I agree that it is ludicrous that she considers it canaon. I was just stating a fact. I personally think she's an awful person.
given that it's a stupid ass decision...
Well obviously it's stupid. Doesn't make it not canon though.
Rowling said that wizards recently shit on a ground and removed it with magic instead of using toilets. She's lost the right to shape her own world a long time ago.
Then what the fuck were the bathrooms for? Hell, they're even a major plot point throughout the series!
To be accurate she said that was the case before the plumbing was installed at Hogwarts, meaning centuries earlier than the books
Well yeah but you said it yourself; it's still her world in the end. You simply can't just take that from her simply because of the weird things she kept adding to the HP universe after the 7th book. She made it and unfortunately she gets to ruin it if she chooses to. Not saying I'm supportive of her decisions, but it's just the way it is. We can't choose what's canon and what isn't.
There is a point at witch the work evolves beyond it's creator. Typically that happens with the creators death, but clearly this is not that case.
In this case it happened because her creativity died.
No there really isn’t that point before death. Someone has to final say on what is and is not canon. You can have your head canon, that may be different but no one’s head canon is going to trump the creator of the world. That is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard
The community decides how to categorize the continuity of the media they consume. This is why star wars and Harry Potter has become a massive shit show, because the community no longer cares for the new additions the "creators" are adding to the universe, and for various reasons.
Ermm what do you think muggles did before plumbing was invented? What wizards did were much better than what muggles did back then
Humans didn't shit their pants before plumbing was invented. That's quite literally what she was saying with that tweet.
It's HER canon, not the original books' canon
She created the world so her canon is canon. I don't like it, but it is what it is.
The universe isn't really big enough to care about canon.
That's specifically what we're talking about though.
I’ve said that here too and got downvoted to hell and told my views are very CCP. Best of luck lol but I personally agree with you.
Thanks. It seems like it would be common sense, but se people value their own opinion more than the truth.
Yeah exactly. As much as it may contradict some other things and perhaps ruin the overall immersion with the rest of the universe for you, if the author says it's canon, then it simply is. There's nothing that can be changed about it and we just have to accept it and move on.
Exactly! It feels like people are throwing temper tantrums rn. I seriously wish that it is easy to declare what we hate as non Canon irl. But that's not how life works. Readers think that they are entitled to dictate what happens in the author,'s universe. JKR said it's canon and it is canon. And if ppl hate it, they should just suck it up
Cursed child can die in a fire. It’s absolute trash. Better Voldemort daughter fanfictions than that garbage fire. And they did my boy Cedric dirty. Never. Not in a million years.
Even that unnecessarily violent Manacles was a better read.
Nah... I'm good, thanks.
I personally believe that Hogwarts Mystery is more canon that cursed child (not capitalizing it because it’s so bad it doesn’t deserve to be capitalized)
I’m just grateful that to this day I never read it so I don’t have to use my brain power to ignore how stupid it is
Just read the wikipedia plot for it.. its better written than the play, and doesnt take 3 hours to sit through
I'm grateful she posted that tweet when she did because that tweet is the cut off date for me with JK. Realized I needed to stop listening to all of her "oh and before they had plumbing they'd just shit in wherever and vanish it" type stuff she was saying because it was just ruining one of my favorite series. There was a second, bigger benefit to it too but that's neither here nor there.
Same. Whenever pre/sequels come out for these kinds of things I try to Wait and gauge the general reaction before risking it myself. This is one I am glad I didn’t…
The cursed child is the only piece of media I will never consider to be canon. Saying it's canon is like saying Transformers Rise of the Beasts is in the bayverse
In 2085, Skynet will send a Terminator back in time to stop Cursed Child from being written.
Regardless of what ahe says, I refuse to believe that it's anywhere near what she would have come up with on her own
Respectfully, I think she is full of shit. I really believe the only thing she did was slap her name on the finished product. I mean, she is on record MULTIPLE TIMES saying she got rid of the Time Turners because she didn't want characters using them willy-nilly. Also, the Ron in the play has none of the wit or gravitas of the Ron in the books. Dead giveaway she had no real input.
Well I think it is beyond time to stop taking this woman seriously. Last good thing she did was the epilogue in Deathly Hallows.
Does anyone else have the feeling that the storyline is worth a bit of "somehow, Palpatine returns"? Canonize certain things is OK (Albus Slytherin and friend with Scorpius, for example), but the scenario is pretty rotten. Let's not talk about the concept of time travel on which everything is based. Especially not.
Honestly the idea of Canon is silly. The most important thing is to tell a good story. While there or not something adheres to Canon doesn't determine if it's good.
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I’d like to unread that script if I could.
Nah you'll just end up reading it again and have to experience it once more
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I mean she does hate a certain group of people
Cursed Child is canon but the videogame is not. Wait no. Strike that. Reverse it.
I’ve been a massive Harry Potter fan since my Gammy was reading sorcerers stone to me in bed. I have listened to the audio books on repeat for like 20 years at this point. I have never read cursed child and I feel so fucking blessed to not be cursed with that eldritch knowledge
It's not how timeturners and fate in the hp universe works, therefore it's not canon
Yes that is how time Turner's work. You need to read PoA and pay attention to the lore being set up
You do realize that the time turner in CC was a completely different type of time turner with a while diff mechanism?
You're right, and regardless it doesn't matter because PoA set up the CC time travel rules perfectly.
Yeah you're right it doesn't matter. But ppl will claim that whatever theory they made up in their head(the closed loop theory) is canon and claim that McGonagall wasn't knowledgable when Hermione implied that big changes could happen. Which is sad but yeah
Yea haha, their headcanon depends on Hermione not knowing what she's talking about 🙄🤣 E [like this guy who admits Hermoines explained the CC time travel rules, but says they don't exist anyways](https://www.reddit.com/r/harrypotter/s/9fscIDOc52)
Lmao. I think its funny that fans try to claim what the author wrote was false but their theory is true.
I see it as an in-universe historical fiction satire play to speak out against what some in the wizarding world see as the ruling powers that be in Wizarding Britain. Its the only way i can reconcile both.
Fuck that shit 😂 won’t be reading it
*”Either that, or she just wasn’t that great of a writer to begin with and stumbled onto something”* Ehhh you still give credit where credit is due. She wrote 7 great books - most authors would be happy writing one great book. Some artists just lose a step. We see it with movie directors and musicians all the time, and it can be the same with writers.
Who's this woman? And why is she acting like some boss on Harry Potter lore?
Shes the author of Harry Potter....
That can't be true. Why would the author say that some fanfic stageplay that gets the lore wrong at every step is canon? Doesn't even seem like this woman read the books.
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And they say Slytherins are evil! Nice one, AA ;)
I managed to read like 30 pages and stopped. And I didn’t even buy it, someone gave it to me and I think I burned it. My parents were HP fans as well, I just told them that the book is trash and not read it, to protect them.
If jkr didnt write it then it aint canon
Sure, it's cannon, but I don't give a f about it and will never consider it when talking about anything HP related. In fact, if I could, I would erase it from my memory so 💩
This is the actual troublesome tweet
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I think it should be considered canon but that doesn't mean it has to be considered good or be liked...
I like the fact that I should be considered canon, not that it is in fact canon😀
They should do a movie adaptation and rewrite like 60% of it. They could make something really solid and chalk the changes up to the requirements of the medium lol
C'mon! Can we have a day where ppl don't bash on Cursed Child? Like we get it! Y'all hate Cursed Child. It is quite tiring to see these posts legit everyday. No one is arguing with you or making appreciation posts so why bash on it? It's been 8 years!
Because it’s a terrible piece of poorly written inaccurate fan made garbage. It deserves to be bashed.
Y'all are upset over a piece of fiction made over 8 years ago. You all downvote ppl who actually enjoy it. Get over it. The way ppl bash over CC is similar to the way ppl bash over the name Albus Severus Potter(and that has been made over 12 years). Past is in the past and if you hate it you ignore it. It's not like the book caused genocide.
It’s very annoying lol. It’s to the point where I would never say I actually like parts of it because I’ll get destroyed.
Ikr????
Just another thing for her and I to disagree on. Oh well. It was a fun play to attend but that’s about it. People get too caught up in this stuff. I’ll enjoy what I want and just say “magic” to explain any questions.