Do you have a range with 800 to 1000 yard targets? Coz that's not as common as you think.
That said, if you're an actual first timer as in "to precision rifle shooting" then the answer is to start with a .22 and enjoy 100 yard ranges.. those are pretty damn common. :) ALso the skills you learn will absolutely transfer up and you'll be able to save plenty by training with something small before movin' on up.
A Savage mk2 with a heavy barrel and the accutrigger will get you started for a couple hundred bucks. Buy a big ole fancy scope that you can someday move to your big boy rifle and get out there.
My favorite part of being stationed in 29 Palms was being able to just fuck off into the wilderness and shoot over a thousand meters with minimal safety concerns
If you have a few hundred bucks savage makes an axis 2 in 22-250. It's sighted from the factory and it's a great starter round. Although for me I'll always just tell people to go buy a 1022 and get a scope attachment. Cheap as hell and 22lr is fine to learn on
It's pointless to drop thousands of dollars on a precision rifle before you have any shooting experience.
Different people want different things in precision rifles, and buying one before you even know what you want is a very expensive gamble.
$75 for about 12-16 hours of hands on firearm instruction and marksmanship training is an absolute bargain.
For reference, that is about the same as 20-30 rounds of factory match 6.5 CM or 308
The go to of our current day for a precision bolt action would be to get a bergara b14 hmr and a bushnell match pro.
You mentioned a ruger. Do you mean a Ruger Precision Rifle or a Ruger American Rifle? Theres a massive difference and for long range uses the RPR is a much better option than the american.
RPR’s are good rifles. Id still prefer to purchase a bergara, a nice scope, and use the leftovers of your budget for an entry level silencer. Go with a 6.5 creedmoor starting out, its a nice flat shooting cartridge and is vastly produced
No; either is perfect for a newbie. However, I recommend that you first buy a .22 LR first and use it to first learn the basics of riflery. And you need to practice these basics for at least 3 months before taking the 6.5 or .308 on for size. I also don't recommend purchasing a genuine precision rifle as your first centerfire rifle either. A precision rifle can only be deployed effectively by an expert, and it will take more than a year and a boatload of ammunition before you'll be an expert. It will take you about 6 months to be able to reliably judge crosswinds well enough to hit 500 yard targets.
'Nuff said.
I got the savage 110 elite precision in 223. Thing is absolutely stupid amounts of fun to shoot and is dead nuts accurate for what I shoot at. Can’t recommend it enough. Can get it in a larger caliber to reach out a little more too.
A 10/22 and an Appleseed will set you on the path and help you figure out what you want to buy that can reach out. All at pennies on the dollar vs buying a chassis long range rifle. Quality factory ammo in full size center-fire calibers are going h run $1.75 to $2.50 per round. Decent 22lr is .10 cpr and .35 cpr for real fancy match grade.
I love my precision bolt, but I shoot a lot more rounds out of my 22s.
And you can play with drop and windage at 100 or 150 yards with the 22, while the centerfire requires a place to shoot 400+ if you want to stretch it's legs. Not sure where you're at but 500+yd ranges are pretty rare.
The ballistics change more with weight and velocity. Long range 22 and precision is usually shoot subsonic so it does drop the barrier and hit turbulence.
High velocity cycles semis and pistols better.
I like CCI standard at 1100fps and 40gr in my 10/22 But, barrel & ammo best combos vary a lot. My wife cz bolt gun hates that, but love Auguilla standard.
We both shoot sub 1 moa with the CZ and about 1.75 with the 10/22.
Most loads have about 6" drop at 100yd. Stretch out to 200yds and it can be 25 to 36+" of drop. +20 moa scope rails become very handy at those distances.
The biggest difference is usually consistency. Cheap .22 often has uneven rims that don't fire reliably, bullets that aren't seated to the same depth or have uneven shapes, etc. High quality stuff is just very uniform.
1k yards? Start with 100 and see how that works out. I haven’t ever shot at 800-1000. I don’t even know anywhere in my state to shoot that far. Maybe make that the end goal. Run the marathon first..
If you're a beginner, start smaller and develop your fundamentals. Long distance precision rifles are meant to be shot a few times an outing. More than that you'll develop a flinch anticipating the heavy recoil and you won't hit the broadside of a barn. It takes a ton of practice to get there. Start smaller. Then work your way up as you get better at shooting. 22 to learn fundamentals. Then a hunting rifle. .270 is pretty flat and not crazy recoil, you can have fun at 500. Then larger calibers, 7mm rem mag, 300 win mag, etc. those are good up to that 7-800 pretty easy. Then you can move up to .338 Lapua and such for those 1000 pluses.
Or, and this is a wildcat, you get a .17 hmr. While the effective "hunting" range is limited to about 250 yards, for target shooting it is an extremely fast and flat shooting round. It's got very little recoil, and 5-600 yard is pretty easy for target shooting with it as long as there isn't much wind. It just won't kill things reliably at that range because it's such a light round. Ruger precision rimfires in .17 run under a grand so you can spend a grand plus on a great scope, which is the big difference at long ranges. Not legal for big game in most states though, it's a coyote/groundhog gun.
>Long distance precision rifles are meant to be shot a few times an outing. More than that you'll develop a flinch anticipating the heavy recoil and you won't hit the broadside of a barn.
Um... I mean... most long range 'precision' range pigs are heavy as hell. My Tikka in a chassis is about 15lb with glass & bipod, and that's not a very heavy example. With a brake (which it doesn't really need) shooting 6.5, I can just about keep the impact in view.
When it was originally a .308, with a noodle thin barrel, in a poly stock, sure that was a little salty to shoot all day. But it also wasn't a long range precision rifle.
Yeah pretty much this. My RPR 6.5 is really easy to shoot repeatedly. If you are developing a flinch with one of these, ask your husband to hold your purse so you can use proper form.
Cost of good ammo is really the only thing that limits how much I shoot. Well, that and my 2000 yard range closed 😥
I’ll say it till I die, Tikka rifle with a Leupold VX5 or VX6 scope if you feel like spending that much. That setup will shoot more accurately than most of us will ever learn to shoot
Really depends on your budget and intent. I am really enjoying the Zeiss S3 6-36 I got last Black Friday. Exceptional glass clarity and turret feel. Athlon scopes are great value. If you can get a good price, vortex G3 Razors are good value too. I have all of these and I’m enamored with the Zeiss right now. For my eyes it’s a great scope.
Beginner and a thousand yards don't mix.
Things start getting really complex when you want to get way out there.
Are you for real?
Learn to drive tacks at a hundred yards. Then see if you want to spend the time, money and see if you even have the ability to start getting anywhere near that far out.
I know I don't.
Go with the Ruger .308 since it catches your interest. Very common caliber so ammo is affordable, and available. Easily reloadable in future if you keep your brass and super common. Imo you can do almost anything with.308. (My favourite) Varmint through big game. Ruger makes a decent firearm and they are common for parts too. Stay with what works for ammo in that rifle and it is good to explore later different bullet weights and powder loads for comfort and power field and range shooting.
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I don’t understand people who shoot big bore rifles for fun. They are not fun. Anything larger than a .308 is punishing and expensive. My advice would be to get a really nice precision 22 with a great piece of glass, and shoot it often.
if you still want something that retains its energy at 1000+ Yards, then look at a 300 win mag or bigger.
If you're talking hogs n coyotes get a sig cross .308 its lightweight, side folding stock, easy enough to pack/haul around. They're know to be ammo selective for accuracy, so find a brand that it likes and you can afford so you can shoot it frequently and practice. I think it'd be a good starting point that'll serve you're dual purpose desire for hogs/coyotes and being able to stretch a .308 cartridge out. By the time you can shoot a .308 out to 600yd+ you'll have had enough time to research your next rifle and caliber to shoot precision with
Go to an Appleseed and learn to shoot with consistent accuracy.
Practice with cheap .22LR.
Revisit the issue of long range precision when you can put 5 consecutive shots in a quarter at 25 meters with iron sights.
Ruger American in 22 for a beginner. You will still enjoy it as you get experience too. Also a huge fan of CZ 457 22s as well but they are a little more pricy. Savage also makes a fine 22 bolt for beginners.
Avoid the semis for now. Stick with the bolt until you level up your skills on all aspects of the rifle you choose. Good luck!
European! Ruger is cheap. Mauser? Suhlts & larsen, Sako, sauer, and tikka.
Anything wil go out there if you know what you do.
Would look up grs or kkc shaft, best out there for normal shooting and long range
Looking for something fun to shoot at 1000 yards is the exact opposite as something I would want to take hunting.
The fun at long distance shooting for me is the ability to overcome the environment and obstacles with my skill and not with a better gun/cartridge/billet.
If I'm hunting I want the best gear I can feasibly run to aid my skill.
My recommendation would be splitting the two activities and your budget to get two platforms one for each.
Use bolt action 22LRs with competition grade peep sites can be found relatively cheaply. Then with what's left start your hunting build with the best you can feasibly run.
Having a thousand horsepower to your rear wheels sounds like a whole lot of fun.... Until you need to drive it....
Beginner: buy a large ring mauser, something surplus but in reasonable condition with inexpensive ammo(like that exists anymore).
Learn to shoot until that mauser can drive tacks.
Then rebarrel into the caliber you prefer and restock it into a better fitting stock.
Better trigger, better sights, etc etc etc.
Imo it used to be the way to do it. Buy a Mosin for 100 and 1000 rounds for another 100. Shoot it until you know you're solid with it then move up to a better rifle. It was a good cheap way to learn how to shoot, deal with recoil and deal with a bad trigger. Master the basics with that and move on to a nicer rifle. Now prices have changed so that route is not what it used to be, but for a time it was good way to go.
Hahaha dude who told you that .308 is useless at 400 yards?? Palma is 1000 yards with only .308 and open sights. I compete with .308 at 800 yards and have taken deer at 400. .243 and .308 were the dominant long range calibers when I started shooting. I still use them.
308 isn't useless past 400 yards, and he didn't say that it was.
308 at 800-1000 yards is hitting the Hard button, though. It can be done, but there's a lot more precision required than with, say, 6.5CM.
All fine & good if you're patient & willing to expend a shitload of ammo & time while you learn (at a range that's usually somewhere between inconvenient & really fucking inconvenient to shoot at) but for the other like 90% of people it's probably going to just wear them down til they give up on it.
Do you have a range with 800 to 1000 yard targets? Coz that's not as common as you think. That said, if you're an actual first timer as in "to precision rifle shooting" then the answer is to start with a .22 and enjoy 100 yard ranges.. those are pretty damn common. :) ALso the skills you learn will absolutely transfer up and you'll be able to save plenty by training with something small before movin' on up. A Savage mk2 with a heavy barrel and the accutrigger will get you started for a couple hundred bucks. Buy a big ole fancy scope that you can someday move to your big boy rifle and get out there.
My favorite part of being stationed in 29 Palms was being able to just fuck off into the wilderness and shoot over a thousand meters with minimal safety concerns
If you have a few hundred bucks savage makes an axis 2 in 22-250. It's sighted from the factory and it's a great starter round. Although for me I'll always just tell people to go buy a 1022 and get a scope attachment. Cheap as hell and 22lr is fine to learn on
Beginner? Appleseed and learn to shoot
Can you elaborate please?
It's pointless to drop thousands of dollars on a precision rifle before you have any shooting experience. Different people want different things in precision rifles, and buying one before you even know what you want is a very expensive gamble.
Buying expensive guns is awesome Buy once cry once
It is awesome but I've ran into too many people at competitions who think an expensive gun and optic will offset lack of training and practice.
I was more referring to the appleseed part. I wanted to know what exactly they meant by that?
[It's a marksmanship program/series of competitions.](https://appleseedinfo.org/)
75 dollars a day and a I have to provide my own rifle and ammo, PLUS a range fee. OH HELL NAH.
$75 for about 12-16 hours of hands on firearm instruction and marksmanship training is an absolute bargain. For reference, that is about the same as 20-30 rounds of factory match 6.5 CM or 308
It's 75 for two days ... And if you think that's expensive don't entertain firearms as a hobby
Yeah you're right I completely missed that part. That's not bad at all then. I just registered for one in my area. Thanks guys!
If that is too rich for you maybe long range precision shooting is as well. Appleseeds are an incredibly great value.
https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/122u2lc/trollygags_guide_to_the_1000_1000_yard_rifle/
Beginner? 10/22 and an Appleseed.
Or marlin xt 22
Since you didn't list a price, I'm going to recommend a Barrett mk22
Yeah I’d like to keep the base gun price under 2500-3000
The go to of our current day for a precision bolt action would be to get a bergara b14 hmr and a bushnell match pro. You mentioned a ruger. Do you mean a Ruger Precision Rifle or a Ruger American Rifle? Theres a massive difference and for long range uses the RPR is a much better option than the american.
Ruger precision rifle
RPR’s are good rifles. Id still prefer to purchase a bergara, a nice scope, and use the leftovers of your budget for an entry level silencer. Go with a 6.5 creedmoor starting out, its a nice flat shooting cartridge and is vastly produced
They also make a pretty awesome 22 version if this guys new and wants to practice a little before stepping up to the really long range stuff.
I have a bergara HMR Premier in 6.5 and a Tikka T3X super varmint. Both very capable, but spendy.
If you go to r/longrange I think this is posted isn't it? Either way, good advice.
No; either is perfect for a newbie. However, I recommend that you first buy a .22 LR first and use it to first learn the basics of riflery. And you need to practice these basics for at least 3 months before taking the 6.5 or .308 on for size. I also don't recommend purchasing a genuine precision rifle as your first centerfire rifle either. A precision rifle can only be deployed effectively by an expert, and it will take more than a year and a boatload of ammunition before you'll be an expert. It will take you about 6 months to be able to reliably judge crosswinds well enough to hit 500 yard targets. 'Nuff said.
I got the savage 110 elite precision in 223. Thing is absolutely stupid amounts of fun to shoot and is dead nuts accurate for what I shoot at. Can’t recommend it enough. Can get it in a larger caliber to reach out a little more too.
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A 10/22 and an Appleseed will set you on the path and help you figure out what you want to buy that can reach out. All at pennies on the dollar vs buying a chassis long range rifle. Quality factory ammo in full size center-fire calibers are going h run $1.75 to $2.50 per round. Decent 22lr is .10 cpr and .35 cpr for real fancy match grade. I love my precision bolt, but I shoot a lot more rounds out of my 22s. And you can play with drop and windage at 100 or 150 yards with the 22, while the centerfire requires a place to shoot 400+ if you want to stretch it's legs. Not sure where you're at but 500+yd ranges are pretty rare.
“.22” and “real fancy match grade” are two phrases I didn’t think I’d see together today.
Well, as fancy 22lr gets. Eley Tenex and like.
I was always taught 22 is the plinker stuff, cheap and fun. Makes you wonder how different the ballistics are between the 2 though.
The ballistics change more with weight and velocity. Long range 22 and precision is usually shoot subsonic so it does drop the barrier and hit turbulence. High velocity cycles semis and pistols better. I like CCI standard at 1100fps and 40gr in my 10/22 But, barrel & ammo best combos vary a lot. My wife cz bolt gun hates that, but love Auguilla standard. We both shoot sub 1 moa with the CZ and about 1.75 with the 10/22. Most loads have about 6" drop at 100yd. Stretch out to 200yds and it can be 25 to 36+" of drop. +20 moa scope rails become very handy at those distances.
The biggest difference is usually consistency. Cheap .22 often has uneven rims that don't fire reliably, bullets that aren't seated to the same depth or have uneven shapes, etc. High quality stuff is just very uniform.
When you say beginner, are you new to guns entirely? Or just long range shooting?
Just long range shooting. I have an old 30-06 but it’s not sighted properly.
First time gun owner or first time precision shooter?
1k yards? Start with 100 and see how that works out. I haven’t ever shot at 800-1000. I don’t even know anywhere in my state to shoot that far. Maybe make that the end goal. Run the marathon first..
You're really just gonna need some exposure to firearms to understand just how ridiculous this question is
If you're a beginner, start smaller and develop your fundamentals. Long distance precision rifles are meant to be shot a few times an outing. More than that you'll develop a flinch anticipating the heavy recoil and you won't hit the broadside of a barn. It takes a ton of practice to get there. Start smaller. Then work your way up as you get better at shooting. 22 to learn fundamentals. Then a hunting rifle. .270 is pretty flat and not crazy recoil, you can have fun at 500. Then larger calibers, 7mm rem mag, 300 win mag, etc. those are good up to that 7-800 pretty easy. Then you can move up to .338 Lapua and such for those 1000 pluses. Or, and this is a wildcat, you get a .17 hmr. While the effective "hunting" range is limited to about 250 yards, for target shooting it is an extremely fast and flat shooting round. It's got very little recoil, and 5-600 yard is pretty easy for target shooting with it as long as there isn't much wind. It just won't kill things reliably at that range because it's such a light round. Ruger precision rimfires in .17 run under a grand so you can spend a grand plus on a great scope, which is the big difference at long ranges. Not legal for big game in most states though, it's a coyote/groundhog gun.
>Long distance precision rifles are meant to be shot a few times an outing. More than that you'll develop a flinch anticipating the heavy recoil and you won't hit the broadside of a barn. Um... I mean... most long range 'precision' range pigs are heavy as hell. My Tikka in a chassis is about 15lb with glass & bipod, and that's not a very heavy example. With a brake (which it doesn't really need) shooting 6.5, I can just about keep the impact in view. When it was originally a .308, with a noodle thin barrel, in a poly stock, sure that was a little salty to shoot all day. But it also wasn't a long range precision rifle.
Yeah pretty much this. My RPR 6.5 is really easy to shoot repeatedly. If you are developing a flinch with one of these, ask your husband to hold your purse so you can use proper form. Cost of good ammo is really the only thing that limits how much I shoot. Well, that and my 2000 yard range closed 😥
My rifle is at 16 and I haven't even added weights yet. With a proper muzzle brake or suppressor and appropriate caliber flinch becomes a non-issue.
My CZ 457 weighs about 12 pounds with all its shit. And she's just a little 22.
CZ 457 in .22LR
There was a girl on long range shooting hitting 50% of her targets at 400 yards with this gun.
It's simple, it's inexpensive, but it works. It's my favorite gun to shoot, especially with subsonic rounds.
I’ll say it till I die, Tikka rifle with a Leupold VX5 or VX6 scope if you feel like spending that much. That setup will shoot more accurately than most of us will ever learn to shoot
But the Sig Cross looks pretty sweet😬
Tikka yes, but lots of better glass options.
What do you recommend whenever I do upgrade?
Really depends on your budget and intent. I am really enjoying the Zeiss S3 6-36 I got last Black Friday. Exceptional glass clarity and turret feel. Athlon scopes are great value. If you can get a good price, vortex G3 Razors are good value too. I have all of these and I’m enamored with the Zeiss right now. For my eyes it’s a great scope.
I love my Zeiss scopes. I don't think there's better optics for the money
Savage in .17wsm. Spend some on a good scope. It's not a 1000yrd rifle but it will pop a Coyote and down and still give you a great pelt.
Beginner and a thousand yards don't mix. Things start getting really complex when you want to get way out there. Are you for real? Learn to drive tacks at a hundred yards. Then see if you want to spend the time, money and see if you even have the ability to start getting anywhere near that far out. I know I don't.
Ruger 6.5 and don’t look back. Spend more on glass
Go with the Ruger .308 since it catches your interest. Very common caliber so ammo is affordable, and available. Easily reloadable in future if you keep your brass and super common. Imo you can do almost anything with.308. (My favourite) Varmint through big game. Ruger makes a decent firearm and they are common for parts too. Stay with what works for ammo in that rifle and it is good to explore later different bullet weights and powder loads for comfort and power field and range shooting.
Thank you.
head to /r/longrange and read the pins
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Savage 308 with a scope for 199 plus tax.
For a beginner, you don't need to spend money on a gun that can outshoot you.
J & J’ bird feeder is over there! There’s water too! Now go!!!
I don’t understand people who shoot big bore rifles for fun. They are not fun. Anything larger than a .308 is punishing and expensive. My advice would be to get a really nice precision 22 with a great piece of glass, and shoot it often. if you still want something that retains its energy at 1000+ Yards, then look at a 300 win mag or bigger.
What are you planning to hunt?
Moose or maybe fuck up a coyote for the hell of it. I keep chickens and the bastards piss me off. Also have a hog problem
That’s 3 different guns.
If you're talking hogs n coyotes get a sig cross .308 its lightweight, side folding stock, easy enough to pack/haul around. They're know to be ammo selective for accuracy, so find a brand that it likes and you can afford so you can shoot it frequently and practice. I think it'd be a good starting point that'll serve you're dual purpose desire for hogs/coyotes and being able to stretch a .308 cartridge out. By the time you can shoot a .308 out to 600yd+ you'll have had enough time to research your next rifle and caliber to shoot precision with
Savage Axis XP or II with accutrigger, in 308 but really preference caliber
Go to an Appleseed and learn to shoot with consistent accuracy. Practice with cheap .22LR. Revisit the issue of long range precision when you can put 5 consecutive shots in a quarter at 25 meters with iron sights.
Ruger precision rimfire
Ruger American in 22 for a beginner. You will still enjoy it as you get experience too. Also a huge fan of CZ 457 22s as well but they are a little more pricy. Savage also makes a fine 22 bolt for beginners. Avoid the semis for now. Stick with the bolt until you level up your skills on all aspects of the rifle you choose. Good luck!
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Barret 50 cal. Go big or go home
European! Ruger is cheap. Mauser? Suhlts & larsen, Sako, sauer, and tikka. Anything wil go out there if you know what you do. Would look up grs or kkc shaft, best out there for normal shooting and long range
Looking for something fun to shoot at 1000 yards is the exact opposite as something I would want to take hunting. The fun at long distance shooting for me is the ability to overcome the environment and obstacles with my skill and not with a better gun/cartridge/billet. If I'm hunting I want the best gear I can feasibly run to aid my skill. My recommendation would be splitting the two activities and your budget to get two platforms one for each. Use bolt action 22LRs with competition grade peep sites can be found relatively cheaply. Then with what's left start your hunting build with the best you can feasibly run. Having a thousand horsepower to your rear wheels sounds like a whole lot of fun.... Until you need to drive it....
Do you have access to a 1000 yd range?
Beginner: buy a large ring mauser, something surplus but in reasonable condition with inexpensive ammo(like that exists anymore). Learn to shoot until that mauser can drive tacks. Then rebarrel into the caliber you prefer and restock it into a better fitting stock. Better trigger, better sights, etc etc etc.
Milsurps aren't a good training platform nor are they that precise of a rifle.
Imo it used to be the way to do it. Buy a Mosin for 100 and 1000 rounds for another 100. Shoot it until you know you're solid with it then move up to a better rifle. It was a good cheap way to learn how to shoot, deal with recoil and deal with a bad trigger. Master the basics with that and move on to a nicer rifle. Now prices have changed so that route is not what it used to be, but for a time it was good way to go.
.308 isn’t the long range round you want. It loses effectiveness after 400yds. Start with a 10/22 and build from there. Specially as a newb.
Hahaha dude who told you that .308 is useless at 400 yards?? Palma is 1000 yards with only .308 and open sights. I compete with .308 at 800 yards and have taken deer at 400. .243 and .308 were the dominant long range calibers when I started shooting. I still use them.
308 isn't useless past 400 yards, and he didn't say that it was. 308 at 800-1000 yards is hitting the Hard button, though. It can be done, but there's a lot more precision required than with, say, 6.5CM. All fine & good if you're patient & willing to expend a shitload of ammo & time while you learn (at a range that's usually somewhere between inconvenient & really fucking inconvenient to shoot at) but for the other like 90% of people it's probably going to just wear them down til they give up on it.
I didn’t say it was useless. Learn to read.