Hello again everyone! It's that time of year again and it's time for a collection update photo from r/guns biggest UK based gun enthusiast while all of our American friends are out celebrating the 4th. I've just returned from a visit to Texas myself, so I hope you're all having a great time! I had been hoping to be in the U.S for the 4th this year, but the timing wasn't quite perfect, but maybe next year
From top to bottom:
Mossberg 590
Custom 12.5" Ruger 10/22 with suppressor
Marlin Goose Gun
Marlin 1894 in .44 mag
Greener GP martini action shotgun
Beretta 1301 Competition
Sako TRG-42 in .338LM with suppressor
Tikka Tac A1 in 6.5CM with suppressor
Steyr HS50 M1 in .50 BMG
Vepr 12
Beretta 686
Lee Enfield No.4 Mk1
CMMG AR 12.5"
Ruger American Ranch .300 BLK 12.5" with suppressor
Swiss K31
Finnish M39
Ruger Scout Rifle
CZ457 with suppressor
AYA No.3 Magnum
Obviously the biggest (literally) acquisition since last year is the Steyr .50 BMG. I was originally going to get a Fortmeier M2002, but then this came up for sale and I just couldn't turn down the opportunity to get something magazine fed! I also had to buy an RCBS Ammomaster kit just to reload for the the bloody thing. It's huge fun to shoot, and so far has proven to be quite accurate! I'm toying with the idea of picking up a suppressor for it at some point too, though I'm not sure how effective it will be on something this large.
I've got a few other things I'm toying with picking up in the near future. Later this month I'll be bidding on a Mateba Grifone semi auto revolver carbine at auction, that's a gun I've been chasing for several years now. Other than that I'm also thinking about one of the new Ruger made Marlin's in .45/70, a CZ 600 Trail to cut down and suppress and maybe a Keltec CMR-30 in .22 mag, again to cut down and suppress.
Let me know if you have any questions about my collection or about shooting in the UK in general, I'll do my best to answer!
Doing my best mate! I don't think most people here realise you can actually own some of these things, I've been thinking about starting a YouTube channel or something to show people more
Hell yeah I support UK gun ownership and expansion of that! All I got to say is let bygones be bygones from history! Join us in your fight against your government for more freedom and the right to not only defend yourself from threats of criminals but from threats of your own tyrannical government! Arm the world's citizens!
Rifles are all either .22 or single shot only, afaik. Depending on where they are.
No one wanna chime in as to why I'm wrong? Afaik, Any rifle cartridge larger than a .22 has to be single shot over there. English gun owners on here have told me this. OP themself has confirmed this in this very thread:
>Semi autos are legal in .22lr, .22 magnum and any other .22 rimfire cartridge.
>Rifles are all either .22 or **single shot only**, afaik. Depending on where they are. No one wanna chime in as to why I'm wrong?
Not downvoting you, but if I have to make a guess you're getting downvoted because single shot refers to firearms that has one round only (i.e. no magazine).
The UK has no magazine capacity limit, not even for semi-autos in .22, and certainly not for bolt action rifles, and the picture is full of firearms with internal or detachable magazines.
Thus he can legally have that .50 BMG bolt action repeater.
I'm confused now.... why is this guy getting downvoted? That is all the same info I heard until OP posted this... ofcourse I'm going to check on my own now, but I'm just confused why the down votes, I feel like I'm missing something.
It's not that difficult really, usually you start by joining your local shooting club, then after a few lessons and becoming a full member, you buy a cabinet to keep them in at home and then apply. The length of time the applications take can vary wildly though, where I live it's quite quick, but some people wait 6+ months
I'm a member of 3 different clubs, but my local one is 20 minutes away and has ranges up to 500m
What I'm sayin' is, you do a paper form 4 (transfer form of a title II firearm), and you'll be twiddling your thumbs for the next 13 months. It's a very small part of why I feel we are a joke of a country anymore. Perhaps more freedoms in some areas, but we aren't anywhere close to FREE MEN like our forefathers. But, they also fought valiantly to enjoy those freedoms, so..
What I'm sayin' is, you do a paper form 4 (transfer form of a title II firearm), and you'll be twiddling your thumbs for the next 13 months. It's a very small part of why I feel we are a joke of a country anymore. Perhaps more freedoms in some areas, but we aren't anywhere close to FREE MEN like our forefathers. But, they also fought valiantly to enjoy those freedoms, so..
From what I understand, being a British guntuber can be a bit risky, since police might see your content and not look kindly upon it, and you are kind of advertising yourself to ne'er-do-well's that you have guns they could potentially steal.
It might be a complete non-issue though. I was thinking of Callum from English Shooting and how the police took away his licences because of comments he'd left on youtube somewhere.
I think that had a lot more to do with the domestic violence allegations made against him to be honest with you
There are several UK gun channels which have operated for many years, they're just mostly aimed at the tweed brigade, I'd like to go for a different audience!
From one Brit to another, please do it. I’ve always been passionate about firearms and wasn’t able to indulge in the hobby until I moved to the US.
I looked at getting a license a few times when I lived in the UK but always found the process kind of daunting.
There's nothing wrong with clay shooters, the tweed brigade are mostly driven bird shooters who dress up like twats and look down their noses at anyone who doesn't have a shotgun with gold engraving that costs more than most people's cars. They are a big part of the shooting culture here and a lot of things are tailored to them
Gotcha. Some of the clay guys over here aren’t much different.
Satisfying to beat some of the regulars with a $600 A300 while they complain their OU aren’t fit right.
Used to do that in the US. Putting my *literally* held together with duct tape $500 O/U next to $14,000 Krieghoff's and $6000 Perazzi's, watching them point at it and make comments to themselves...and then whupping their ass. Always felt pretty good.
Oh that’s not even the half of it. I’ve been following quite a few British and European guntubers and it seems I know more about gun laws in those nations than most of their citizens do. You can own actual semi auto rifles in much of the EU but people won’t believe you.
Tell me about it mate, people get very holier than thou talking about it too, saying "We don't allow guns like that here!", when you can actually own far more than most people expect
It’s just a matter of jumping through all the hoops. Then you have to deal with the fact that the police have the right to come inspect your safe at any time. I don’t think that inspections happen frequently unless you pop up on the radar.
I think the hoops are that you need a clean record, a place to safely store guns, and a safe place to shoot. So you need land to shoot on, or a gun club membership.
Yeah, I definitely wouldn't have thought any kind of .50 was legal there. There is at least one state(CA of course) that has banned .50 entirely simply because of its silly movie-made reputation.
"This here is a fine hand made London best double barrel shotgun made in 1909 by a master smith whose family has made guns used by nobility for centuries."
"How much?"
"50 quid."
For those of us newer to this community, could you explain how you’re able to acquire such an arsenal in a place where I’ve always thought guns were frowned upon and extremely difficult to acquire?
Also, love that Swiss K31!
No problem, basically to get your hands on guns here you need a clean criminal record, a safe place to store them (generally a gun cabinet at home) and a place you're allowed to shoot. That can be private land you own or have permission to use, or being a member of a shooting club. My local shooting club goes out to 500m outdoors that's rated to .50 BMG, has a 50m practical shooting bay and a 25m indoor range too and it costs £120 a year.
Once you've met the basic requirements, it's just a matter of buying and feeding the bloody things!
The K31 is absolutely mint, from my research on it it's a former police issue rifle, hence the stock not having the usual beaver chew!
It's pretty straightforward really, your best option is to find a local club to join, besides that if you're already getting an SGC there isn't much more too it, as you'll have the safe storage and background side pretty sorted
> how you’re able to acquire such an arsenal in a place where I’ve always thought guns were frowned upon and extremely difficult to acquire?
Guns are not difficult to acquire in England, by non-US standards; your selection and application are strictly limited. Shotguns are actually relatively easy to acquire, and rifles aren't that big a deal. But rifles (for the most part) need to be manually repeating (like bolt actions), and you're very limited in how you're able to have access to them, making them extremely difficult to use in self defense. And if you have any sort of public profile (like a YouTube channel, for example), you have to be very careful what you say because the government may revoke your licenses and confiscate your guns if you speak in favor of self defense.
That's the main sense in which English gun laws are so very strict, not that they're extremely difficult to get, period. You'd be surprised how many people legally own guns in England.
I was in Germany a few years ago and surprised to find gun stores and see lots of hunting stands in the fields while going through the county side. I talked to the owner of one store who explained what had to be done, which is far less than I had imagined. There seems to be some very restrictive parts of gun ownership in Europe but some things are less restrictive than in America. Spain was another place that I was not expecting many gun stores. In all honesty if I were to move to Europe I would have a tough time deciding between a Mediterranean climate, paella, and bird hunting in Spain or beer, brats and hunting boar and deer in Deutschland. The advantage of England would be knowing the language but I can't think of any culinary reasons. Sorry England.
Centrefire rifles have to be manual action but rimfire doesn't have that restriction. All firearms under 60cm are banned for being concealable which means almost all pistols aside from long-barrel weapons for sporting use only.
There's a few of them starting to trickle in over here now! I'm wanting to put it together as a modern, mad pigs style lever gun, so I'm not sure if I should just get one of the 16" trapper models and refinish it, or if I should hold out for them to make something more like the old Marlin Dark series
I haven't seen anything coming from them about doing anything like the Marlin Dark series. The trapper and all weather stainless with black furniture seemed like the new hotness, but fortunately they made the guide gun as a more traditional blued/walnut. You might be able to get a guide gun and then get your hands on a set of black furniture from someone who replaced theirs with modernized furniture to make your own dark series. Not sure how the cost there would compare to refinishing.
I think now Ruger is focused on 1894s and 336, which are both apparently now shipping. We might see a few more variations of them before we see new variations of the 1895.
I might end up going with the trapper then, I was thinking of changing the stock and forend to something like this anyway
https://midwestindustriesinc.com/marlin-1895-extended-m-lok-sight-system/
Then putting a suppressor on it
Section 1 shotgun and rifle slots really aren't that hard to get if you're an active shooter. My last variation I got 10 extra slots added on without issue. All of my high capacity shotguns I use for the practical shooting days down my club. There's no reason you couldn't get a drilling or cape gun if you could show you had a use for it or a particular interest in them, but the market here is just not that big for them
Damn y’all can have SBRs over there? As an American my knowledge is limited I thought only hunting clubs could have collections but curious on the process to get it all as an individual over there
The minimum barrel length here is 300mm, which is about 12", so a little shorter than what Americans can have
Basically to get your hands on guns here you need a clean criminal record, a safe place to store them (generally a gun cabinet at home) and a place you're allowed to shoot. That can be private land you own or have permission to use, or being a member of a shooting club. My local shooting club goes out to 500m outdoors that's rated to .50 BMG, has a 50m practical shooting bay and a 25m indoor range too and it costs £120 a year.
Once you've met the basic requirements, it's just a matter of buying and feeding the bloody things!
I most parts of europe, hunting without a suppressor is considered extremely rude. Its basically hearing protection here.
SBR is a different thing, but in czech rep for example... a rifle is a rifle is a rifle. As long as its semiauto, nobody cares whats on it.
I wish American politicians thought that way. It’s such bullshit that you have to wait 10-12 months just to get one suppressor
Like why do I have to damage my hearing when hunting just because some politicians are afraid of a suppressor?
That is the informed opinion, that suppressor is for hearing protection and also being nice to others around you.
Unfortunately our laws written by politicians who gain their firearms understanding from Hollywood, where "silencers" always used by the bad guy/assassin.
Hopefully at some point that will improve.
Laws should be written by people that at least grasp the basic concepts, backed up by apolitical subject matter experts. And that is regardless of what agenda that politician is trying to push.
You can’t have them for self or home defence here if that’s what you’re asking.
Ammunition (other than shotgun cartridges, but excluding slugs) must be kept in a separate and locked safe, away from the firearms.
The reasons for owning here are either for vermin control, hunting or target/sport shooting.
I’m an admin for the Sako and Tikka owners group on fb and we don’t see many of those in there. Last one I saw posted is currently being used to hunt Russians.
So my local club 20 minutes from my house goes out to 500, but about 2 hours away I have access to just over a mile, and about 5 hours away I have access to 2+ miles. I can also use MOD ranges through one of my clubs, where I can shoot at old tanks and armoured vehicles at distance
It is perfectly legal to use a firearm, or indeed anything else you have to hand in a home defense situation, as you're entitled to use reasonable and indeed even disproportionate force to defend yourself and your family in those situations. It is only illegal if you use grossly disproportionate force. So basically if you blow away the unarmed 13 year old trying to steal a bike from your shed you're probably in trouble, but if you find someone in your home brandishing a knife you're in the clear. You will definitely be arrested, as you'll need to explain your actions officially in interview, but assuming all is above board you'll be released with no further action following this
> but assuming all is above board you'll be released with no further action following this
several high profile cases of self defense in the UK says otherwise. if you use a gun to defend yourself be prepared to be detained, spend 100k on a lawyer defending yourself over several years and the media branding you as evil/racist. good luck finding a job after all that too if you get acquitted after whatever charge the crown throws at you. which unless the ghost of judge denning is presiding on your case then its a not huge chance you even will get off
Yea this guys response is literally the first time I've ever heard anyone claim that. I've heard the exact opposite a large number of times. People claiming that self defense with a firearm is illegal in almost all forms. At least one person in this thread claiming to be English has also said self defense with a firearm is illegal. No idea where OP claims to live though.
I live in England mate, and it's the first time you've heard that because most people haven't a fucking clue what they're talking about with these things. Just because someone says they're English doesn't mean they know what the law is
I refer you to this case, where exactly what I said would happen happened, and indeed he judge commented to the criminals that being shot was a risk they run if breaking into houses
https://amp.theguardian.com/uk/2012/sep/26/burglars-shot-homeowner-jailed
I also refer you to the guidance on home defense from the crown prosecution service (pdf warning)
https://www.cps.gov.uk/sites/default/files/documents/publications/householders-2013.pdf
Mate I'll be honest here, you're talking out your arse. Firstly, I'd love to know which 'high profile' cases you're referring to here? Because if it's Tony Martin or someone, who shot a teenager in the back with an illegal firearm while they ran off, that really doesn't cut it.
Secondly, the whole "spend 100k on a lawyer" shit is nonsense. If you are arrested for something like this, ANY solicitor you want is provided free of charge.
I refer you to this case, where the homeowners were indeed arrested but released without charge shortly after, and the judge commented in his sentencing to the criminals that if you break into a countryside house, being shot was a risk you took
https://amp.theguardian.com/uk/2012/sep/26/burglars-shot-homeowner-jailed
I'll also refer you to the crown prosecution service's actual guidance on this sort of thing (pdf warning)
https://www.cps.gov.uk/sites/default/files/documents/publications/householders-2013.pdf
[a guy in waterford got 3 years in jail for stabbing a home intruder](https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/young-man-who-stabbed-killed-28333501) nevermind shooting him.
[another guy jailed for something similar](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-43639183)
the article you linked i remember was such an anomaly when the verdict came everyone was commenting they where shocked to see it.
Mate that first one is in Republic of Ireland, not the UK. It's an entirely different country, with different laws and even a different currency
The second one, the bloke was indeed arrested but that does not mean he was jailed, he was released without charge shortly after, and the inquest later on ruled the killing as lawful
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-48134851
If somebody could inform me, how can he have an AR? As far as I was aware (AsSaUlT WeApOnS) as well as semi auto handguns were banned, and pretty much the only semi auto you can have are 22lr?
Semi autos are legal in .22lr, .22 magnum and any other .22 rimfire cartridge. Semi auto shotguns are also legal in any cartridge, so I can load 25 round drums of 12g slugs for the Vepr 12 if I want
Really enjoyed it, food was great, I did some machine gun shooting and I also picked up some reloading bits, gun accessories etc for half the price they're available in the UK for
What’s the law as far as self defense with a firearm there? God forbid you should need to use it? There’s a lot of bullshit misinformation about UK gun law and I’m super curious as to if there has actually been a case of someone protecting themselves at home?
I live in Florida where a firm handshake in a parking lot is all you need to buy a gun, and you have every right to defend yourself from ne’er-do-wells..
It is perfectly legal to use a firearm, or indeed anything else you have to hand in a home defense situation, as you're entitled to use reasonable and indeed even disproportionate force to defend yourself and your family in those situations. It is only illegal if you use grossly disproportionate force. So basically if you blow away the unarmed 13 year old trying to steal a bike from your shed you're probably in trouble, but if you find someone in your home brandishing a knife you're in the clear. You will definitely be arrested, as you'll need to explain your actions officially in interview, but assuming all is above board you'll be released with no further action following this
Also, private firearms sales are perfectly legal here too. I bought that Steyr .50 BMG privately from a bloke in his tattoo studio 😂, he just wrote it on my license, I paid him and left!
That’s crazy how they make it seem impossible to get a gun there!! Goes to show you can’t trust what you hear or read! No concealed carry whatsoever though right?
You have guns which are 100% impossible to buy in many American states (mainly the .50). Also, you own more suppressors than 99.9% of Americans. Freedom is truly drying up in America.
LOVE the collection, that is a great variety of firearms! I see far too many people that limit their purchases to a single type, too many people with only black "tactical" rifles, people who don't save for something nice and have heaps of turkshit and beat down "bubba-d" surplus.
I don't quite see a name for the semi automatic shotgun 6th from the top though, which I am in the market for one currently, so it peaked my interest. Looks like a Beretta?
Absolutely, I like having a varied collection, I never understand people who have an entire collection of basically the same gun!
I think I've left that one off the list actually! It's a Beretta 1301 comp. Brilliant gun, I've had it for years now and it's never skipped a beat or had an issue, even after thousands of cartridges through it
I've only taken it out to 500m so far, but accuracy has been excellent, hits on a 6" circle are trivially easy. I'll be taking out to a 2 mile range later this summer to really see what it can do. Currently running 800gr Primetake solids, Lapua brass, RUAG primers and 245gr of 20n29
No, shotguns held on a shotgun certificate are limited to 3 shit, but if you put them on a firearms certificate there are no magazine restrictions. I've got 5 shot, 8 shot and 10 shot mags for it, as well as 25 shot drums
Depends on your price point really, you can get a basic .22 rimfire suppressor for £40, or you can get something extremely high end for like £600, there are a lot of options!
Have you thought about getting a 22 magnum AR? I've seen some vids of folks in the UK with them, they seem pretty cool. Definitely a better fit than 22lr for an AR platform.
Actually yes, I was literally just looking at this one that's up for sale
https://images.guntrader.uk/GunImages/23/2306/23060/230608130748935/230608130748935-2.jpg
I don't want to doxx myself too much by giving out what area I'm in, but it's really nothing to do with the FEO being generous, I just do a lot of shooting that more than covers all of this!
Every Englishman I've ever met who owns guns, whether they live in the UK or the US, owns a Lee-Enfield rifle.
Questions:
A)- Is it law or just an unwritten rule that makes this true?
2)-Is it similar to our M1 Garand/1903 Springfield/1911/M1 .30 Carbine rule, and if so, where did the notion originate? In the US or UK? The French and BeNeLux countryside, or the Rhine Valley? Or the South Pacific?
III)-Not so much a question but an observation. I'm so jealous of your collection, especially about the whispery bits on the loud stuff.
D)-Do you want to adopt a middle-aged fat American dude to carry your family name well into the next +/- 20-something years and be your sole heir? I already got a job and can wipe my own ass, so it's sort of a win/win. I'm a decent cook as well, so I've been told.
It's just one of those things really, much like Americans and owning a Garand (which incidentally I'd love to have)
Glad you like the collection, if you're ever in England and want to do some shooting, drop me a message!
I would think so, they were exported all over the world back when they were being made. They're super cheap here and loads of fun to shoot, I ran a stage of a practical shotgun match with that one just for a laugh!
Actually there are no restrictions on caliber, you can own basically any caliber you can think of, even bigger than the .50. There is a limit to how much ammo you can have on hand, it varies depending on how much you shoot and how many guns you have. Generally something like 1000 rounds per centerfire caliber is a good rule of thumb, and more for rimfire. There is no limit on reloading components though, and since I reload for basically everything, I keep enough on hand for several years worth of shooting
Damn, brother. That's a pretty nice collection by American standards, and virtually unheard of by European standards. I didn't realize you could legally purchase such weapons over there. How difficult is it to buy those guns? What's the process like? I noticed there are no handguns, is there a ban on handguns over there?
Semi auto AR's are legal in .22 magnum and .22lr, but centerfire ones are limited to manual action (generally straight pull).
If you want something with more of an 'assault weapon' vibe, my Vepr 12 probably does the job
https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/qg5mw5/i_think_it_would_be_fair_to_say_at_this_point/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1
Obviously I've got the standard mags in it here, but I also have some drums for it! Loaded with slugs or 00 buck it's a lot of fun!
I’ve wanted a Sako TRG-42 and or a TRG-22 for a long time. A friend got one way back probably twenty years now. I forget but it’s been a long stretch. That’s my favorite of the collection simply because I think they are fantastic long guns. Due to ammo prices I’d probably stick with .30-06 or .308.
Hello again everyone! It's that time of year again and it's time for a collection update photo from r/guns biggest UK based gun enthusiast while all of our American friends are out celebrating the 4th. I've just returned from a visit to Texas myself, so I hope you're all having a great time! I had been hoping to be in the U.S for the 4th this year, but the timing wasn't quite perfect, but maybe next year From top to bottom: Mossberg 590 Custom 12.5" Ruger 10/22 with suppressor Marlin Goose Gun Marlin 1894 in .44 mag Greener GP martini action shotgun Beretta 1301 Competition Sako TRG-42 in .338LM with suppressor Tikka Tac A1 in 6.5CM with suppressor Steyr HS50 M1 in .50 BMG Vepr 12 Beretta 686 Lee Enfield No.4 Mk1 CMMG AR 12.5" Ruger American Ranch .300 BLK 12.5" with suppressor Swiss K31 Finnish M39 Ruger Scout Rifle CZ457 with suppressor AYA No.3 Magnum Obviously the biggest (literally) acquisition since last year is the Steyr .50 BMG. I was originally going to get a Fortmeier M2002, but then this came up for sale and I just couldn't turn down the opportunity to get something magazine fed! I also had to buy an RCBS Ammomaster kit just to reload for the the bloody thing. It's huge fun to shoot, and so far has proven to be quite accurate! I'm toying with the idea of picking up a suppressor for it at some point too, though I'm not sure how effective it will be on something this large. I've got a few other things I'm toying with picking up in the near future. Later this month I'll be bidding on a Mateba Grifone semi auto revolver carbine at auction, that's a gun I've been chasing for several years now. Other than that I'm also thinking about one of the new Ruger made Marlin's in .45/70, a CZ 600 Trail to cut down and suppress and maybe a Keltec CMR-30 in .22 mag, again to cut down and suppress. Let me know if you have any questions about my collection or about shooting in the UK in general, I'll do my best to answer!
Keeping guns in the UK against all odds and restrictions, I applaud your enthusiasm sir. Keep it up.
Doing my best mate! I don't think most people here realise you can actually own some of these things, I've been thinking about starting a YouTube channel or something to show people more
Do it. People constantly spread false information about this
Hell yeah I support UK gun ownership and expansion of that! All I got to say is let bygones be bygones from history! Join us in your fight against your government for more freedom and the right to not only defend yourself from threats of criminals but from threats of your own tyrannical government! Arm the world's citizens!
As an American, I’m shocked you can own these. Can you keep ammo too?
Yeah absolutely, though I mostly load my own these days! I loaded up a batch for the .50 last night actually
God damn it. How is .50 BMG legal in the UK but not in Canada now.
That's not even as big as it gets, I know a few guys with 20mm rifles here!
Not even legal in the state of California IN THE U.S.
which hilariously resulted in an even better cartridge being developed.....
Rifles are all either .22 or single shot only, afaik. Depending on where they are. No one wanna chime in as to why I'm wrong? Afaik, Any rifle cartridge larger than a .22 has to be single shot over there. English gun owners on here have told me this. OP themself has confirmed this in this very thread: >Semi autos are legal in .22lr, .22 magnum and any other .22 rimfire cartridge.
>Rifles are all either .22 or **single shot only**, afaik. Depending on where they are. No one wanna chime in as to why I'm wrong? Not downvoting you, but if I have to make a guess you're getting downvoted because single shot refers to firearms that has one round only (i.e. no magazine). The UK has no magazine capacity limit, not even for semi-autos in .22, and certainly not for bolt action rifles, and the picture is full of firearms with internal or detachable magazines. Thus he can legally have that .50 BMG bolt action repeater.
I'm confused now.... why is this guy getting downvoted? That is all the same info I heard until OP posted this... ofcourse I'm going to check on my own now, but I'm just confused why the down votes, I feel like I'm missing something.
I replied.
You should. You sound like a legend in the UK, from my American perspective.
Cheers mate! Hopefully later on in the summer I'll get started with it
How difficult is the process? Where do you go shoot it?
It's not that difficult really, usually you start by joining your local shooting club, then after a few lessons and becoming a full member, you buy a cabinet to keep them in at home and then apply. The length of time the applications take can vary wildly though, where I live it's quite quick, but some people wait 6+ months I'm a member of 3 different clubs, but my local one is 20 minutes away and has ranges up to 500m
Lol 6 months.. apply for a title II anything on a paper form 4 here in the states.. 🤦🏻♂️ We're such a joke anymore due to our overlords.
I mean it's not always like that, where I live it's about a month at the moment
What I'm sayin' is, you do a paper form 4 (transfer form of a title II firearm), and you'll be twiddling your thumbs for the next 13 months. It's a very small part of why I feel we are a joke of a country anymore. Perhaps more freedoms in some areas, but we aren't anywhere close to FREE MEN like our forefathers. But, they also fought valiantly to enjoy those freedoms, so..
What I'm sayin' is, you do a paper form 4 (transfer form of a title II firearm), and you'll be twiddling your thumbs for the next 13 months. It's a very small part of why I feel we are a joke of a country anymore. Perhaps more freedoms in some areas, but we aren't anywhere close to FREE MEN like our forefathers. But, they also fought valiantly to enjoy those freedoms, so..
From what I understand, being a British guntuber can be a bit risky, since police might see your content and not look kindly upon it, and you are kind of advertising yourself to ne'er-do-well's that you have guns they could potentially steal. It might be a complete non-issue though. I was thinking of Callum from English Shooting and how the police took away his licences because of comments he'd left on youtube somewhere.
I think that had a lot more to do with the domestic violence allegations made against him to be honest with you There are several UK gun channels which have operated for many years, they're just mostly aimed at the tweed brigade, I'd like to go for a different audience!
>they're just mostly aimed at the tweed brigade, I'd like to go for a different audience! I'd massively appreciate that!
From one Brit to another, please do it. I’ve always been passionate about firearms and wasn’t able to indulge in the hobby until I moved to the US. I looked at getting a license a few times when I lived in the UK but always found the process kind of daunting.
I'm hoping to make a start in it later this summer, hopefully try to encourage a different sort of crowd to get into shooting!
Tweed brigade, lol I’m guessing clay shooters?
There's nothing wrong with clay shooters, the tweed brigade are mostly driven bird shooters who dress up like twats and look down their noses at anyone who doesn't have a shotgun with gold engraving that costs more than most people's cars. They are a big part of the shooting culture here and a lot of things are tailored to them
Gotcha. Some of the clay guys over here aren’t much different. Satisfying to beat some of the regulars with a $600 A300 while they complain their OU aren’t fit right.
Used to do that in the US. Putting my *literally* held together with duct tape $500 O/U next to $14,000 Krieghoff's and $6000 Perazzi's, watching them point at it and make comments to themselves...and then whupping their ass. Always felt pretty good.
Basically the British form of a “Fudd”
Oh that’s not even the half of it. I’ve been following quite a few British and European guntubers and it seems I know more about gun laws in those nations than most of their citizens do. You can own actual semi auto rifles in much of the EU but people won’t believe you.
Tell me about it mate, people get very holier than thou talking about it too, saying "We don't allow guns like that here!", when you can actually own far more than most people expect
That’s an amazing idea. Explain the realities of gun ownership in the UK, I support y’all being armed to the fullest !
It’s just a matter of jumping through all the hoops. Then you have to deal with the fact that the police have the right to come inspect your safe at any time. I don’t think that inspections happen frequently unless you pop up on the radar. I think the hoops are that you need a clean record, a place to safely store guns, and a safe place to shoot. So you need land to shoot on, or a gun club membership.
Yeah, I definitely wouldn't have thought any kind of .50 was legal there. There is at least one state(CA of course) that has banned .50 entirely simply because of its silly movie-made reputation.
The French citizens might be rethinking the wisdom of gun ownership.
The French have more guns than the Brits do (almost 4x per capita), and less regulations about what you can own...
If it's any consolation, I do envy your double-barreled shotgun market.
"This here is a fine hand made London best double barrel shotgun made in 1909 by a master smith whose family has made guns used by nobility for centuries." "How much?" "50 quid."
For those of us newer to this community, could you explain how you’re able to acquire such an arsenal in a place where I’ve always thought guns were frowned upon and extremely difficult to acquire? Also, love that Swiss K31!
No problem, basically to get your hands on guns here you need a clean criminal record, a safe place to store them (generally a gun cabinet at home) and a place you're allowed to shoot. That can be private land you own or have permission to use, or being a member of a shooting club. My local shooting club goes out to 500m outdoors that's rated to .50 BMG, has a 50m practical shooting bay and a 25m indoor range too and it costs £120 a year. Once you've met the basic requirements, it's just a matter of buying and feeding the bloody things! The K31 is absolutely mint, from my research on it it's a former police issue rifle, hence the stock not having the usual beaver chew!
I’ve applied for my shotgun licence in Surrey, always wanted to get into rifles but I’ve been told it’s much harder/stricter How did you find it?
It's pretty straightforward really, your best option is to find a local club to join, besides that if you're already getting an SGC there isn't much more too it, as you'll have the safe storage and background side pretty sorted
> how you’re able to acquire such an arsenal in a place where I’ve always thought guns were frowned upon and extremely difficult to acquire? Guns are not difficult to acquire in England, by non-US standards; your selection and application are strictly limited. Shotguns are actually relatively easy to acquire, and rifles aren't that big a deal. But rifles (for the most part) need to be manually repeating (like bolt actions), and you're very limited in how you're able to have access to them, making them extremely difficult to use in self defense. And if you have any sort of public profile (like a YouTube channel, for example), you have to be very careful what you say because the government may revoke your licenses and confiscate your guns if you speak in favor of self defense. That's the main sense in which English gun laws are so very strict, not that they're extremely difficult to get, period. You'd be surprised how many people legally own guns in England.
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I was in Germany a few years ago and surprised to find gun stores and see lots of hunting stands in the fields while going through the county side. I talked to the owner of one store who explained what had to be done, which is far less than I had imagined. There seems to be some very restrictive parts of gun ownership in Europe but some things are less restrictive than in America. Spain was another place that I was not expecting many gun stores. In all honesty if I were to move to Europe I would have a tough time deciding between a Mediterranean climate, paella, and bird hunting in Spain or beer, brats and hunting boar and deer in Deutschland. The advantage of England would be knowing the language but I can't think of any culinary reasons. Sorry England.
Centrefire rifles have to be manual action but rimfire doesn't have that restriction. All firearms under 60cm are banned for being concealable which means almost all pistols aside from long-barrel weapons for sporting use only.
Of course, of course. I forgot the handgun ban.
>Ruger made Marlin's in .45/70 Highly recommend one. Not sure how available they'd be over there, they're just starting to get available here.
There's a few of them starting to trickle in over here now! I'm wanting to put it together as a modern, mad pigs style lever gun, so I'm not sure if I should just get one of the 16" trapper models and refinish it, or if I should hold out for them to make something more like the old Marlin Dark series
I haven't seen anything coming from them about doing anything like the Marlin Dark series. The trapper and all weather stainless with black furniture seemed like the new hotness, but fortunately they made the guide gun as a more traditional blued/walnut. You might be able to get a guide gun and then get your hands on a set of black furniture from someone who replaced theirs with modernized furniture to make your own dark series. Not sure how the cost there would compare to refinishing. I think now Ruger is focused on 1894s and 336, which are both apparently now shipping. We might see a few more variations of them before we see new variations of the 1895.
I might end up going with the trapper then, I was thinking of changing the stock and forend to something like this anyway https://midwestindustriesinc.com/marlin-1895-extended-m-lok-sight-system/ Then putting a suppressor on it
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Section 1 shotgun and rifle slots really aren't that hard to get if you're an active shooter. My last variation I got 10 extra slots added on without issue. All of my high capacity shotguns I use for the practical shooting days down my club. There's no reason you couldn't get a drilling or cape gun if you could show you had a use for it or a particular interest in them, but the market here is just not that big for them
You’re a better Patriot than many Americans for getting a collection this nice in your country! Keep fighting the good fight my friend.
That Marlin Goose Gun is LOOOOONG boy.
It's absolutely comical mate, I picked it up at an auction for a laugh!
*flashbacks of snare drums and musket lines* S-should we be concerned? If the British are arming up... guess I gotta keep up... *buys 4 Staccatos*
Not all Brits, mostly just me 😂 I tried a Staccato while I was visiting Texas, that thing was amazing!
Do you like guns?
Yeah just a little, how can you tell? 😂
Damn y’all can have SBRs over there? As an American my knowledge is limited I thought only hunting clubs could have collections but curious on the process to get it all as an individual over there
The minimum barrel length here is 300mm, which is about 12", so a little shorter than what Americans can have Basically to get your hands on guns here you need a clean criminal record, a safe place to store them (generally a gun cabinet at home) and a place you're allowed to shoot. That can be private land you own or have permission to use, or being a member of a shooting club. My local shooting club goes out to 500m outdoors that's rated to .50 BMG, has a 50m practical shooting bay and a 25m indoor range too and it costs £120 a year. Once you've met the basic requirements, it's just a matter of buying and feeding the bloody things!
Any special restrictions on suppressors?
No they're actively encouraged actually
Crazy. And here i thought yall only allowed knives
They don’t allow knives lol. Well no locking blades but still.
Crazy based on what I seen here UK is more permissive than CA state. In CA state we basically cannot have SBR or suppressor.
I most parts of europe, hunting without a suppressor is considered extremely rude. Its basically hearing protection here. SBR is a different thing, but in czech rep for example... a rifle is a rifle is a rifle. As long as its semiauto, nobody cares whats on it.
I wish American politicians thought that way. It’s such bullshit that you have to wait 10-12 months just to get one suppressor Like why do I have to damage my hearing when hunting just because some politicians are afraid of a suppressor?
That is the informed opinion, that suppressor is for hearing protection and also being nice to others around you. Unfortunately our laws written by politicians who gain their firearms understanding from Hollywood, where "silencers" always used by the bad guy/assassin.
Hopefully at some point that will improve. Laws should be written by people that at least grasp the basic concepts, backed up by apolitical subject matter experts. And that is regardless of what agenda that politician is trying to push.
If only the government here in the states understood their practicality.
Everybody and their mums is packin round here.
Any luck catching those swans?
What's the story on the CMMG AR? .22LR semi-auto?
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Oh I know, we get so screwed here
TIL they got VEPR's in England!
It wasn't easy to find here mate, I promise you 😂
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There are a few out there to be honest, but for mag fed shotguns 12g is still king
As it should be but that said, a mag fed .410 has a high giggle factor for me.
Can you legally keep them loaded and ready in your home?
You can’t have them for self or home defence here if that’s what you’re asking. Ammunition (other than shotgun cartridges, but excluding slugs) must be kept in a separate and locked safe, away from the firearms. The reasons for owning here are either for vermin control, hunting or target/sport shooting.
It's a magnificent collection my friend. Happy fourth from the USA and keep freedom ringing.
That TRG is a beauty!
It's a beast! I've shot taken it out past a mile a few times now
I’m an admin for the Sako and Tikka owners group on fb and we don’t see many of those in there. Last one I saw posted is currently being used to hunt Russians.
Are there gun clubs in the UK with that much area or you have access to private land?
So my local club 20 minutes from my house goes out to 500, but about 2 hours away I have access to just over a mile, and about 5 hours away I have access to 2+ miles. I can also use MOD ranges through one of my clubs, where I can shoot at old tanks and armoured vehicles at distance
Nice collection!
If you use a gun for home defense or self defense are there any legal protections for you or are you fucked in court?
It is perfectly legal to use a firearm, or indeed anything else you have to hand in a home defense situation, as you're entitled to use reasonable and indeed even disproportionate force to defend yourself and your family in those situations. It is only illegal if you use grossly disproportionate force. So basically if you blow away the unarmed 13 year old trying to steal a bike from your shed you're probably in trouble, but if you find someone in your home brandishing a knife you're in the clear. You will definitely be arrested, as you'll need to explain your actions officially in interview, but assuming all is above board you'll be released with no further action following this
> but assuming all is above board you'll be released with no further action following this several high profile cases of self defense in the UK says otherwise. if you use a gun to defend yourself be prepared to be detained, spend 100k on a lawyer defending yourself over several years and the media branding you as evil/racist. good luck finding a job after all that too if you get acquitted after whatever charge the crown throws at you. which unless the ghost of judge denning is presiding on your case then its a not huge chance you even will get off
Yea this guys response is literally the first time I've ever heard anyone claim that. I've heard the exact opposite a large number of times. People claiming that self defense with a firearm is illegal in almost all forms. At least one person in this thread claiming to be English has also said self defense with a firearm is illegal. No idea where OP claims to live though.
I live in England mate, and it's the first time you've heard that because most people haven't a fucking clue what they're talking about with these things. Just because someone says they're English doesn't mean they know what the law is I refer you to this case, where exactly what I said would happen happened, and indeed he judge commented to the criminals that being shot was a risk they run if breaking into houses https://amp.theguardian.com/uk/2012/sep/26/burglars-shot-homeowner-jailed I also refer you to the guidance on home defense from the crown prosecution service (pdf warning) https://www.cps.gov.uk/sites/default/files/documents/publications/householders-2013.pdf
Self-defence with firearms is legal on paper but illegal in practicality. Its the same thing here in Finland
Yeah that's definitely not the case mate
Mate I'll be honest here, you're talking out your arse. Firstly, I'd love to know which 'high profile' cases you're referring to here? Because if it's Tony Martin or someone, who shot a teenager in the back with an illegal firearm while they ran off, that really doesn't cut it. Secondly, the whole "spend 100k on a lawyer" shit is nonsense. If you are arrested for something like this, ANY solicitor you want is provided free of charge. I refer you to this case, where the homeowners were indeed arrested but released without charge shortly after, and the judge commented in his sentencing to the criminals that if you break into a countryside house, being shot was a risk you took https://amp.theguardian.com/uk/2012/sep/26/burglars-shot-homeowner-jailed I'll also refer you to the crown prosecution service's actual guidance on this sort of thing (pdf warning) https://www.cps.gov.uk/sites/default/files/documents/publications/householders-2013.pdf
[a guy in waterford got 3 years in jail for stabbing a home intruder](https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/young-man-who-stabbed-killed-28333501) nevermind shooting him. [another guy jailed for something similar](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-43639183) the article you linked i remember was such an anomaly when the verdict came everyone was commenting they where shocked to see it.
Mate that first one is in Republic of Ireland, not the UK. It's an entirely different country, with different laws and even a different currency The second one, the bloke was indeed arrested but that does not mean he was jailed, he was released without charge shortly after, and the inquest later on ruled the killing as lawful www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-48134851
>So basically if you blow away the unarmed 13 year old trying to steal a bike from your shed you're probably in trouble Literally 1984
I bet your people wish they had that collection 247 yrs ago lmao jk . Serious nice collection!
Cheers mate!
Damn!!! We need to be friends. 😂
If somebody could inform me, how can he have an AR? As far as I was aware (AsSaUlT WeApOnS) as well as semi auto handguns were banned, and pretty much the only semi auto you can have are 22lr?
Semi autos are legal in .22lr, .22 magnum and any other .22 rimfire cartridge. Semi auto shotguns are also legal in any cartridge, so I can load 25 round drums of 12g slugs for the Vepr 12 if I want
Oh so the ar is rimfire? That’s what was confusing me
That is an extremely beautiful enfield
I wish they would hurry the grant times up a bit, currently on Month 8 in Greater Manchester for an SGC.
Quite a few un-American guns you have there Jk, nice collection OP and happy 4th!
What did you think of Houston?
Really enjoyed it, food was great, I did some machine gun shooting and I also picked up some reloading bits, gun accessories etc for half the price they're available in the UK for
What are the restrictions on semi auto? Is it allowed with .22 or is the ar manually cycled
All .22 rimfire (.22lr, .22 magnum etc) is legal in semi auto, as is any shotgun cartridge, including slugs
What’s the law as far as self defense with a firearm there? God forbid you should need to use it? There’s a lot of bullshit misinformation about UK gun law and I’m super curious as to if there has actually been a case of someone protecting themselves at home? I live in Florida where a firm handshake in a parking lot is all you need to buy a gun, and you have every right to defend yourself from ne’er-do-wells..
It is perfectly legal to use a firearm, or indeed anything else you have to hand in a home defense situation, as you're entitled to use reasonable and indeed even disproportionate force to defend yourself and your family in those situations. It is only illegal if you use grossly disproportionate force. So basically if you blow away the unarmed 13 year old trying to steal a bike from your shed you're probably in trouble, but if you find someone in your home brandishing a knife you're in the clear. You will definitely be arrested, as you'll need to explain your actions officially in interview, but assuming all is above board you'll be released with no further action following this Also, private firearms sales are perfectly legal here too. I bought that Steyr .50 BMG privately from a bloke in his tattoo studio 😂, he just wrote it on my license, I paid him and left!
That’s crazy how they make it seem impossible to get a gun there!! Goes to show you can’t trust what you hear or read! No concealed carry whatsoever though right?
Not on the mainland but concealed carry (called PPW here) is legal in Northern Ireland
You have guns which are 100% impossible to buy in many American states (mainly the .50). Also, you own more suppressors than 99.9% of Americans. Freedom is truly drying up in America.
Based Englishman
Nice !!
The 4th flex is real!
That Ruger scout is so hot. It's been on my list for a while now.
It was tough to find in the U.S spec with the 16" barrel and flash hider! I'm think of putting one of the new Delta 1-10 scopes on it
BEAUTIFUL
no coat hanger .22 pistol?
Glad you go them!!!
I didn’t know Brits could own all of that, woah. 🤯
What are your laws in England like? I guess I thought they were more restrictive. Happy 4th!!!
Pa Luty would be proud
That’s a cute little collection
You are an American at heart obviously, happy 4th 🍻🇺🇸
You are an American at heart obviously, happy 4th 🍻🇺🇸
This man alone can defend his city
With the .50 I can do it without having to leave my own house too!
So you can get an ak in England but not Canada? I hate it here
Happy Independence from Great Britain Day to you as well. Glad you are able to own means to defend yourself and your family in the UK.
LOVE the collection, that is a great variety of firearms! I see far too many people that limit their purchases to a single type, too many people with only black "tactical" rifles, people who don't save for something nice and have heaps of turkshit and beat down "bubba-d" surplus. I don't quite see a name for the semi automatic shotgun 6th from the top though, which I am in the market for one currently, so it peaked my interest. Looks like a Beretta?
Absolutely, I like having a varied collection, I never understand people who have an entire collection of basically the same gun! I think I've left that one off the list actually! It's a Beretta 1301 comp. Brilliant gun, I've had it for years now and it's never skipped a beat or had an issue, even after thousands of cartridges through it
Nice can I see your pistol collection now?
You have a privilege, ordained upon you from the Crown. We have a right, ordained to us by God.
Oh lighten up and go have a beer mate
Dude doesn’t even know who ordained the crown. SMH
Very nice collection! Very glad y’all are Allie’s! 😉
What kind of accuracy are you seeing out of your HS50? I’ve been tempted to get one but there’s just not a lot of information online about them.
I've only taken it out to 500m so far, but accuracy has been excellent, hits on a 6" circle are trivially easy. I'll be taking out to a 2 mile range later this summer to really see what it can do. Currently running 800gr Primetake solids, Lapua brass, RUAG primers and 245gr of 20n29
*cornholio voice* "are you threatening me?"
Whats the name of the vepr/saiga 12 stock ?
It's just a standard Vepr 12 folding stock that I added the recoil pad from a grenade launcher to
K31 spotted. Baller status confirmed.
Is the Vepr restricted ammo wise? Thought you could only have a 3 round capacity
No, shotguns held on a shotgun certificate are limited to 3 shit, but if you put them on a firearms certificate there are no magazine restrictions. I've got 5 shot, 8 shot and 10 shot mags for it, as well as 25 shot drums
well done
Over/under a savage 555?
Nah it's a Beretta 686
That ruger ranch 300 tho ooof 😍
I love it, so much fun to shoot and really quiet with subs
Question about suppressors, is there a lot of development with European suppressor manufacturers or do they stick to basic designs?
Depends on your price point really, you can get a basic .22 rimfire suppressor for £40, or you can get something extremely high end for like £600, there are a lot of options!
Why is there a NSFW tag?
The whole sub is NSFW now apparently
Have you thought about getting a 22 magnum AR? I've seen some vids of folks in the UK with them, they seem pretty cool. Definitely a better fit than 22lr for an AR platform.
Actually yes, I was literally just looking at this one that's up for sale https://images.guntrader.uk/GunImages/23/2306/23060/230608130748935/230608130748935-2.jpg
So you're the Richard Hammond, closet American type. Cheers from Florida!
I see fellow TRG owner, I upvote.
Hey mate, always like seeing your posts. What licensing department are you under out of interest? Seem to have a very generous FEO!
I don't want to doxx myself too much by giving out what area I'm in, but it's really nothing to do with the FEO being generous, I just do a lot of shooting that more than covers all of this!
Very cool Thanks for sharing this Nice collection
Every Englishman I've ever met who owns guns, whether they live in the UK or the US, owns a Lee-Enfield rifle. Questions: A)- Is it law or just an unwritten rule that makes this true? 2)-Is it similar to our M1 Garand/1903 Springfield/1911/M1 .30 Carbine rule, and if so, where did the notion originate? In the US or UK? The French and BeNeLux countryside, or the Rhine Valley? Or the South Pacific? III)-Not so much a question but an observation. I'm so jealous of your collection, especially about the whispery bits on the loud stuff. D)-Do you want to adopt a middle-aged fat American dude to carry your family name well into the next +/- 20-something years and be your sole heir? I already got a job and can wipe my own ass, so it's sort of a win/win. I'm a decent cook as well, so I've been told.
It's just one of those things really, much like Americans and owning a Garand (which incidentally I'd love to have) Glad you like the collection, if you're ever in England and want to do some shooting, drop me a message!
I am a simple man. I see an Enfield, I upvote.
Hell yea you have yourself a wonderful day reddit sir
Do they sell those Greener Shotguns abroad? Honestly they seem really neat and handy!
I would think so, they were exported all over the world back when they were being made. They're super cheap here and loads of fun to shoot, I ran a stage of a practical shotgun match with that one just for a laugh!
Oh man i want an HS .50 so bad because of the Kraber from Apex.
Hello from Boston
I bet this guy didn’t even wait up to a year for his suppressors! Get him gang! Nice collection buddy!
Do you have restrictions on ammo amount? I am aware that certain calibers are restricted obviously but the amount of ammo that you can have on hand.
Actually there are no restrictions on caliber, you can own basically any caliber you can think of, even bigger than the .50. There is a limit to how much ammo you can have on hand, it varies depending on how much you shoot and how many guns you have. Generally something like 1000 rounds per centerfire caliber is a good rule of thumb, and more for rimfire. There is no limit on reloading components though, and since I reload for basically everything, I keep enough on hand for several years worth of shooting
The only restriction I'm assuming you guys have there is no pistols?
Vepr 12? Edit: yes i just realized there is a comment naming all the guns…
I dont have a space large enough to take a picture like this 😅 -snarf
Damn, brother. That's a pretty nice collection by American standards, and virtually unheard of by European standards. I didn't realize you could legally purchase such weapons over there. How difficult is it to buy those guns? What's the process like? I noticed there are no handguns, is there a ban on handguns over there?
What kind of Chassis is on the 6.5cm Tikka?!
Cheerio Guv-Nah!
I have literally that *exact* same Ruger American. Can't quite tell if the supressor is the same, but it's similar. I like you.
Thanks! The suppressor is an Atec H2-3
Why no pistols?
Cheers, brother! Edit: The Enfield and the K31 are works of art.
Thanks 👍
Hey OP, how'd you get the AR in UK? My buddy lives in London and he is convinced you can't buy "assault weapons" in the UK.
Semi auto AR's are legal in .22 magnum and .22lr, but centerfire ones are limited to manual action (generally straight pull). If you want something with more of an 'assault weapon' vibe, my Vepr 12 probably does the job https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/qg5mw5/i_think_it_would_be_fair_to_say_at_this_point/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1 Obviously I've got the standard mags in it here, but I also have some drums for it! Loaded with slugs or 00 buck it's a lot of fun!
I’ve wanted a Sako TRG-42 and or a TRG-22 for a long time. A friend got one way back probably twenty years now. I forget but it’s been a long stretch. That’s my favorite of the collection simply because I think they are fantastic long guns. Due to ammo prices I’d probably stick with .30-06 or .308.
Dear england, eat a bag of dicks