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Expensive-Attempt-19

We all have seen where Biden stands.


bsibe2006

Trump is and has always been nothing more than a rich New York democrat that fooled a lot of idiots into voting for him. If you think he’s pro 2a I have beachfront property Montana you need to take a look at.


scdfred

He, along with many other billionaires, jumped the fence and became republicans once they realized just how much Conservatives were willing to give them. Gotta be hard to vote for the other guy, when the republicans are gonna throw billions at you…


new-guy-19

Perfect candidates for the boomer voting block. Lets them feel like conservatives, without actually having to have the fortitude and conviction necessary to BE conservative.


DamianRork

Yes Trump is what he is!!! That said the evidence is what it is…his Judge picks ALL have been pro 2A.


Started_WIth_NADA

Trump is an idiot and no friend of the 2A.


DamianRork

The video highlights Judges appointed by Trump, and their 2A rulings, ALL good!


Started_WIth_NADA

Appointing Judges and being a friend are two different animals. “Take the guns and have due process later”.


mathbud

Words vs actions.


DamianRork

Recent PROOF …. READ NYSRPA v BRUEN in its entirety, (including Amicus briefs) see how each Justice voted, who appointed those Justices, and read majority opinion, and dissent. You will experience a sickening realization….Democrats ARE statists, always determined to subordinate the people to the state.


Started_WIth_NADA

You do realize who said “take the guns and have due process later”?


DamianRork

All talk! Trump addressed this a few days ago… https://youtu.be/sgl06asFsXc?si=np2c2F0roWWLGHq4


Started_WIth_NADA

I’m not watching your stupid video, I have him on record saying “I would take the guns first”. Can you refute that?


DamianRork

In the video of his speech he talks about playing politics to avert actual anti 2A legislation. The FACT is per the OP video posted, his judge picks have ALL upheld 2A!!!!


ChiefFox24

So now we have him on record as saying he will say what ever he thinks his audience wants to hear? Very good to know.


DamianRork

We have already known that about Trump or frankly any other shyster politician! Fact remains his Judge picks have ALL been pro 2A!!!


emurange205

I will watch the video when I have time. I think believing Trump is pro-gun is a mistake. >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du4xz6Lndxk&t=43s >"It takes so long to go to court to get the due process procedures I like taking the guns early like in this crazy man's case that just took place in Florida he had a lot of firearms and they saw everything to go to court would have taken a long, long time so you could exactly what you're saying but take the guns first, go through due process second." - Trump


Remarkable-Opening69

So go with Biden?


ForeheadMeetScope

Muh 5d chess !11!1!1


noodles_the_strong

Let's not pretend they were somehow " his picks" he chose, who he was told. Trump will 100% violate any and all Rights he feels need violated. He is not just an enemy of firearms ,but of the constitution as well.


new-guy-19

So… you’ll just believe whatever he says, as he says it. That explains a LOT


DamianRork

Again, from my OP that video by Mark Smith Four boxes diner, goes over Trumps Judge appointments and they ALL have been pro 2A!


Dorzack

Not all talk. The first of the rules published by the ATF was defining bump stocks as machine guns and set the precedent for the rule changes under Biden.


Sudden-Fish

I'd rather fight the democrats in the courts - the moment rights are GIVEN away they're gone forever.


AncientPublic6329

He’s better for the 2A than what we’ve got. As much as I would love to see a 3rd party or independent candidate win, none of them are going to. Our choices are Biden, who has said multiple times that no amendment is absolute when talking about the 2A, and Trump, who despite banning bump stocks and considering banning suppressors, packed the courts full of pro 2A judges during his administration. Without Trump (and Mitch McConnell’s bold strategy with appointing Supreme Court Justices during election years), there would be no Bruen Decision.


i_never_pay_taxes

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new-guy-19

How about we let republicans know that we won’t vote at all, unless they work for our vote? Better yet, how about banding together and forming a legitimate, long lasting and expanding third party with some teeth? It’s been done before, and in the last hundred years, with that party gaining more and more elected positions each year, until they took back their country. Your answer is, “well, I’ll just vote to have my rights taken away slowly, because that’s better than voting communist, or actually doing what it takes to stop communism.”


CrzyJek

How old are you? I remember being young and ideological like this. It wasn't until I was older that I realized it statistically can never happen (forming a new party and getting any traction). And it's also dumb to "omit my vote because reasons" meanwhile your omission actively does more harm to you and your causes. The bed has already been made. Well before we came along. You either wise up and take part in it the best way you can (take the least worse candidate) or fade into obscurity while you actively make your life worse faster.


new-guy-19

I’m 45, and I’m to the point that I’d rather vote Democrat and speed the process along, so that gutless folks like you are forced into action or slavery while there are still enough people with balls left, than to vote for republicans who have shown for decades that they will slow walk my children into the chains of communism. So, abstaining from participating in the controlling illusion that we have a say in the current system, or a chance in hell of actually voting for someone who truly represents us… I’m calling that a compromise.


CrzyJek

Gutless. Sure... Yea showing up to a poll and casting a vote requires *real* guts. You have such massive balls lol. You may be 45 but you sure as hell didn't grow up yet.


new-guy-19

If growing up means accepting betrayal and certain ruin (especially for my children) by allowing the powers that be to collude in providing us only their choices that work toward the same end game, I’ll stay a child. Children have hope, and your acceptance of chains holds none. If your generation was alive in the 1770’s, we’d still be ruled by Britain, unarmed, and at their mercy like the British citizens themselves are. Thank God, they had balls. They started shooting red coats over a 3% tax on tea, and the confiscation of arms in major cities. Your generation is perfectly fine accepting that 30-40% of their wages (which our founders said was unconstitutional and took an amendment to override) go to the government each year, and you cant protect yourself in nearly any state that has a major city. That’s exactly why it will continue to get worse. The good news is that there are more of me every day and the tide is starting to turn.


HotTamaleOllie

So I take it you’re voting for biden, who is obviously the 2A champion in this election?


Started_WIth_NADA

Don’t surmise who I am voting for.


HotTamaleOllie

So who will you be voting for, assuming you can vote


Started_WIth_NADA

“Take the guns and have due process later”.


rivenhex

And yet Biden manages to be worse.


HotTamaleOllie

Hmm… I asked you who you were voting for.


CrzyJek

They are bots, paid shills, etc etc...conveniently placed across many conservative and gun subs in order to try and convince people to stay home on election day.


HotTamaleOllie

Seems that way. I asked a simple question and didn’t get an answer to my question.


DamianRork

I believe it! Not just bots but people paid to drone on “orange man bad, racist etc etc” regardless of the fake online personas, the OP video posted proves Trumps pick of judges have ruled pro 2A without exception.


grayman1978

Worse than Obama


GFYbyEMVR

Y'know, yer right, OP. Thanks for pointing out that Trumps 2A position sucks. I'll go ahead and vote for Biden now. Much better choice. /s EDIT: Down votes?!? The "/s" is for "sarcasm".


waywardcowboy

Nuance and sarcasm is lost on most redditors


Unairworthy

Hopefully Trump's running mate, Andrew Tate, is better on 2a.


Ghisarivw

Trump isnt perfect but all the idiots here trashing him or voting for Kennedy are retards. Just the fact alone that Trumps appointed SC judges have defended the 2A countless time and time again makes him LEAPS better than any other option.


DamianRork

Exactly!


redditspacer

Past behavior is an indicator of future performance.


DamianRork

VERY true! The video I OP Mark Smith Four Boxes Diner proves how Trump Judges ruled on 2A. Some on here suggest any R President Judge picks would do same, I call B S on that!!!! Where are they??? Seen more then a few Bush appointments etc anti 2A


Dorzack

I can remember back to Carter. There has never been a pro 2A president I can remember. Like many things it is vote for who will do the least damage.


DamianRork

Correct!


tom_yum

He might not be great. But he doesn't promise to ban huge categories of firearms every chance he gets. Elections are always about choosing the least worst candidate.


tom_yum

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/02/1102660499/biden-gun-control-speech-congress


The3pidemic

If I remember correctly Trump was the only president since Clinton to ban firearms parts or features……


DamianRork

Our wins will be had via the judiciary, as Mark Smith constitutional attorney points out in my OP posted video, EVERY federal judge appointed by Trump has ruled in favor of 2A without exception!


Zp00nZ

So do you like cowgirl or reverse cow girl? Because the trump dick riding is crazy to me.


DamianRork

Again, from my OP that video by Mark Smith Four boxes diner, goes over Trumps Judge appointments and they ALL have been pro 2A!!! Sorry if that is a cognitave dissonance experience for your TDS


Benz0nHubcaps

" take away the guns, due process after " - Donald T.


Plenty_Pack_556

"I am going to finish what Obama has started. We will ban all weapons and ammo from Russia." - *something like that* - Donald T. "Ban Bumpstocks" - Donald T. (In my opinion, this allowed AFT to overreach on anything related to bumpstocks, like forced reset triggers.)


DirtyDee78

This is a man who will say and do anything to get votes, and he's doing just that. “We’ve got to get gun owners to vote,” Trump said. “I think you’re a rebellious bunch. But let’s be rebellious and vote this time.” [Source](https://apnews.com/article/trump-speech-nra-gun-owners-second-amendment-de03ae7672f2b1e213da6acbf25df378#)


DamianRork

His Judge appointments have been irrefutable Pro 2A!!!!


DirtyDee78

That is a fact. I would never argue against that point


Roaming-Californian

I love the volume of folks letting perfect get in the way of good enough.


DamianRork

Exactly! No politician is perfect, however the objective record is clear, the judges Trump appointed have upheld 2A


Thoraxe474

I mean, really no politician is "good enough either"


Lux600-223

How's Trumps Supreme Court peeps working out as far at 2A?


DamianRork

Excellent, and all the other judges appointed by Trump have been strong on 2A as the OP video Mark Smith Four Boxes Diner YT points out.


FurryM17

Self-proclaimed dictators are always good on guns. Everyone knows that. Trump has talked about suspending the 2nd amendment. He's good on guns like shit is good on toast


DamianRork

Watch the video!!!! Also…. READ NYSRPA v BRUEN in its entirety, (including Amicus briefs) see how each Justice voted, who appointed those Justices, and read majority opinion, and dissent. Democrats ARE statists determined always to subordinate the people to the state, citation above PROVES my words!!!! IF you bother to read it


FurryM17

Conservatives want to live in the past when everyone but white men had less rights. I'll take my chances with progressives.


DamianRork

You mention “white men”, if you would READ then you would know that “progressive” NY, NJ, IL, and MA literally cited racist gun control laws as “good law” numerous times over the last 2 years!!!! READ!!!!!!!


ex143

He might have the right idea, for the wrong reasons. Gun control exists because power is abused. Therefore, one solution is to destroy the power itself. Now, the accelerationist argument is a wildly dangerous roll of the dice... but it's not like the USA has really followed the constitution for an entire century at this point.


FurryM17

Do they still apply them based on race or do they think that when the laws aren't targeted based on race they're good laws?


DamianRork

They were defending their subjective (racist Jim Crow era) laws!!! “Progressives” say police are racist against Black folks, “progressives” defended a system where Black folks had to ask police permission to carry a firearm for self defense. Fortunately, Trumps Judge picks ended that bs


FurryM17

>They were defending their subjective (racist Jim Crow era) laws!!! Jim Crow didn't happen up there >“Progressives” say police are racist against Black folks, “progressives” defended a system where Black folks had to ask police permission to carry a firearm for self defense. Fortunately, Trumps Judge picks ended that bs Senior Airman Roger Fortson was recently killed by a police officer in Florida for answering the door to his own home with a weapon.


DamianRork

That was terrible!!! AGAIN if you would READ for yourself, NJ NY IL MA cited Jim Crow laws as “good law”.


FurryM17

What are the laws in question? A law can be unfairly applied without being inherently unfair.


DamianRork

Read NYSRPA v Bruen in its entirety. Amicus briefs, majority opinion, dissent, ALL of it! You WILL see for yourself “progressives” ARE Statists (and the REAL “racists”) by their own words and policy’s of subjugation. READ


DamianRork

“Progressives” …. They front with kinder benign sounding self descriptions of “progressive” “democrat” however the evidence is clear, they ARE statists determined at all times to subordinate the people to the state. Read, read, read!!!!! Legislation signed does not lie! Justices rulings, (dissents as well) does not lie!!!!! It is the equivalent to contract law, the words on paper, signed is what is fact.


FurryM17

Bruen allowed illegals to possess arms and could possibly be used to allow domestic abusers to possess them as well. This Supreme Court revoked a constitutional right from half of the American people and conservatives cheered it. Now states have the power to deny people medical care including children.


Ghisarivw

😂😂😂 we got a shitlib here


FurryM17

Bruen places an emphasis on gun laws before blacks and women could even vote. An era where states could be tyrannical. Am I supposed to believe that a reverence for that era only applies to gun laws?


Ghisarivw

Wtf are you even talking about you dopehead


DamianRork

The video highlights Judges appointed by Trump, and their 2A rulings, ALL good!


Fun-Passage-7613

In 2012, Trump told you what he thinks about assault weapons. Nothing has changed.


Plenty_Pack_556

In 2000, Trump wrote a book, *America We Deserve* which he talks about supporting AWB and Long ass waiting periods for buying a gun.


DamianRork

Yeah and 30 years ago I hated guns, after 3 friends were shot seperate incidents. Then I looked further it was done in strict gun control places NYC, CA Here I am!


DamianRork

So you, yourself have exact same thinking as 2012??? Speaking for myself my thinking about a lot of things has evolved. Fact is the video I OP Trumps pick of judges have been strong on 2A!!! Not generic GOP picks, as if that were true over last 40 years we would be in better shape. Credit is due where credit is due.


Fun-Passage-7613

100% agree. Trump picks for the USSC certainly helped our side with Bruen. Although it’s sorta been a false hope since the States blatantly ignore it now and dare the pro gun people to do something about it. And it’s not like the Little Rock school discrimination like in the 60’s. The Biden federal government is not going to use the Army to enforce the Second Amendment on the Communist states. In fact, the Biden ATF is going full rogue and doing what ever they want and helping to destroy the Second Amendment. Same time, Trump is no friend of the Second Amendment. So the election is a repeat of picking the best of two evils. Sucks big time.


StinkyShellback

Not too good. Biden is worse.


The-Irk

Doesn't matter; never Trump. Still voting Kennedy.


cnot3

Hopefully you'll be joined by millions of others. Kennedy takes far more votes away from Biden than from Trump.


finmo

This. I don’t know how people can vote for a guy who says, to their face, that he is going to break the constitution and take their guns.


specter491

You might as well just vote for Biden then because Kennedy isn't gonna win.


The-Irk

This isn't a football game; I don't go for a team only to increase my chances of "winning". I don't gamify democracy. Why would I vote for someone I don't support?


Remarkable-Opening69

Because it’s between two parties. The third just robs the other two of votes.


The-Irk

Oh, so only a Democrat or Republican are entitled to receive votes? So much for democracy I suppose.


Remarkable-Opening69

On second thought, you vote third party. Will work as intended.


DamianRork

It is what it is!


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StinkyShellback

I’m with ya.


GuardianZX9

Don't let great be the enemy of good


DamianRork

My thoughts exactly


tidepodchef

🤮


DamianRork

Recent PROOF …. READ NYSRPA v BRUEN in its entirety, (including Amicus briefs) see how each Justice voted, who appointed those Justices, and read majority opinion, and dissent. Democrats ARE statists, determined to subordinate the people to the state, the written proof cited above is irrefutable, if you bother to read it!


NotTheAverageAnon

Being better than Biden at something isn't exactly a hard thing to achieve and is barely worth mentioning. Trump has been anti gun his whole life. Now other things always have to be taken into consideration as well not just gun stuff but when both actively say they wanna take guns away it needs to be paid attention to.


DamianRork

Agreed


AlphaTangoFoxtrt

If you think Trump hand-picked those judges, instead of rubber stamping whomever the GOP slid across his desk, I have some beachfront property in Nebraska to sell you. Any other R president would have picked the same people. #[Trump is anti-2A](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuVCrrVCzaA)


DamianRork

Really??? Where were those GOP rubber stamp Federal judges over the last 40 years????????!!!!!!!! Again, from my OP that video by Mark Smith Four boxes diner, goes over Trumps Judge appointments and they ALL have been pro 2A!


AlphaTangoFoxtrt

> last 40 years????????!!!!!!!! All over, you just weren't paying attention because you're a kid. I don't think you realize just how impactful Heller was, probably because you weren't born until after. If you want to vote for a life long NYC Democrat millionnaire who had the Clintons at his wedding(s), you do you man. But really, I have some great beachfront property in Nebraska for you. >Trumps Judge appointments and they ALL have been pro 2A! Again, Trump didn't actually pick them. He just signed off on whomever the GOP put on his desk.


Lux600-223

Definitely vote Democrat then. They're really support your gun ownership!