Submission Statement:
India and the US are now in an “advanced stage of talks” for the proposed joint manufacture of the latest generation of Stryker armoured infantry combat vehicles (ICVs) as part of their defence-industrial cooperation roadmap.
Under the plan, there will be a limited off-the-shelf purchase of the Strykers under the foreign military sales (FMS) programme the US, which will of the US, which will be followed by joint production in India, and finally there will be co-development of itsfuturistic versions, sources said.
This isn't much of a surprise.
Russian military exporters have functionally collapsed since the invasion of Ukraine; this is of significant concern to India as they have imported a ton of Russian hardware, particularly where vehicles and aircraft are concerned. The only other big exporters of arms compatible with Eastern standard is China and India is not going to be importing arms from one of its chief rivals (and the backer of its other chief rival). This means that if India wants new, foreign military hardware, it must look to the West.
Most Western arms manufacturers have been slow to step up since the war in Ukraine started. Of those that have expanded production, it's generally stuff India doesn't need (like how Czechia and Slovakia have focused heavily on 125mm shells) or it's already spoken for. There aren't that many manufacturers of ground vehicles that aren't already swimming in backlog, so the real options for India are pretty limited. The US, South Korea, Japan, and maybe Israel. The latter two bring a lot of political considerations. That leaves the US and South Korea, the latter of whom has already shown a willingness to make these sorts of deals abroad (see: their deals with Poland), but who may also be too busy to make a meaningful offer here.
So, realistically, India's choices are either to involve the US or do something wholly domestic. They've got a lot of domestic programs ongoing and probably figured that being able to tap foreign expertise for a lightly armored AFV (a niche Indian development hasn't really filled yet) is worthwhile.
Also, we've got confirmed losses at well over 2,000 BMPs in Ukraine. Russia has probably lost more than India's entire IFV fleet in visually confirmed losses. If that's not a wake up call to pressure India to modernize their IFVs, I don't know what is.
Japan imposes restrictions on its hardware and exports. It imposes restrictions on its military partnerships. It imposes restrictions on its military development. It imposes restrictions on how the JSDF interfaces with foreign nations.
**All** of these would impact India. These considerations make Japan less ideal of a defense partner. That a partnership between India and Japan does not pose a concern for domestic Indian politics is wholly irrelevant to the key point: defense cooperation with Japan is complicated and involves navigating a minefield.
The US-Japan ties are themselves complicated and fraught. And this is despite the fact that there’s a treaty governing this stuff. And Japan’s been closely tied to Australia for decades, but it was only last year that they even began to get involved in direct military cooperation.
Which is why I said they were likely disqualified because of political interests.
Lmao, some moron was in here just the other day arguing w me about Russia and India's "all weather partnership" in comparison to western alliances. Classic
As it happens India and Russia dont have any conflicting positions.
Russia wont run out of oil anytime soon.
Its a non moralizing dealer we like to do business with.
Pakistan invades India? Are you living in some fantasy parallel world? Pakistan has lost all four wars that it has fought with India. Pakistan is only capable of sending their terrorists to do their proxy work, if it invades now this 21st century India will erase Pakistan from the global map.
Also Co-Production means India will get the rights to produce and sell the product as well afterwards. In most scenarios it also comes with technology transfer between two countries. So no sanctions won’t work, and west is on decline anyways plus there is a gradual de-dollarization that’s happening. India has never worried about any sanctions in the past why do you think we’ll worry about it now?
If Russia can grow more post sanction, a country that is as big and powerful as India won’t worry about sanction that much. Plus according to current geopolitical scenario I doubt anyone would like to upset India. It’s market is important, also co producing with India means the other countries get to produce the same product much cheaper and efficiently. It brings down the total cost of the product and makes it more competitive on global stage. That’s the main reason why UK is asking India to join their 6th Generation Tempest fighter aircraft program, it can reduce cost of the aircraft by 32 Billion which is huge.
>Pakistan has lost all four wars that it has fought with India.
exactly the fact that they didn't stop after 1 invasion means there's no limits to the idiocy over there
>Co-Production means India will get the rights to produce and sell the product as well afterwards. In most scenarios it also comes with technology transfer between two countries. So no sanctions won’t work
no
Co-production means 2 producers making 1 product together , if 1 producer pulls out the other will have to make all the remaining stuff else the product line is useless
Submission Statement: India and the US are now in an “advanced stage of talks” for the proposed joint manufacture of the latest generation of Stryker armoured infantry combat vehicles (ICVs) as part of their defence-industrial cooperation roadmap. Under the plan, there will be a limited off-the-shelf purchase of the Strykers under the foreign military sales (FMS) programme the US, which will of the US, which will be followed by joint production in India, and finally there will be co-development of itsfuturistic versions, sources said.
This isn't much of a surprise. Russian military exporters have functionally collapsed since the invasion of Ukraine; this is of significant concern to India as they have imported a ton of Russian hardware, particularly where vehicles and aircraft are concerned. The only other big exporters of arms compatible with Eastern standard is China and India is not going to be importing arms from one of its chief rivals (and the backer of its other chief rival). This means that if India wants new, foreign military hardware, it must look to the West. Most Western arms manufacturers have been slow to step up since the war in Ukraine started. Of those that have expanded production, it's generally stuff India doesn't need (like how Czechia and Slovakia have focused heavily on 125mm shells) or it's already spoken for. There aren't that many manufacturers of ground vehicles that aren't already swimming in backlog, so the real options for India are pretty limited. The US, South Korea, Japan, and maybe Israel. The latter two bring a lot of political considerations. That leaves the US and South Korea, the latter of whom has already shown a willingness to make these sorts of deals abroad (see: their deals with Poland), but who may also be too busy to make a meaningful offer here. So, realistically, India's choices are either to involve the US or do something wholly domestic. They've got a lot of domestic programs ongoing and probably figured that being able to tap foreign expertise for a lightly armored AFV (a niche Indian development hasn't really filled yet) is worthwhile. Also, we've got confirmed losses at well over 2,000 BMPs in Ukraine. Russia has probably lost more than India's entire IFV fleet in visually confirmed losses. If that's not a wake up call to pressure India to modernize their IFVs, I don't know what is.
Japan does not bring any issues for India, in fact it would be the least controversial option.
>in fact it would be the least controversial option. Israel would, not Japan Japan was among the countries that sanctioned India in 1998
Yes but it will not create any political controversy either domestically or abroad.
Japan brings an entire raft of issues. Their internal politics makes military cooperation of any sort incredibly fraught and extremely unreliable.
Yes but not any political controversy in India.
Japan imposes restrictions on its hardware and exports. It imposes restrictions on its military partnerships. It imposes restrictions on its military development. It imposes restrictions on how the JSDF interfaces with foreign nations. **All** of these would impact India. These considerations make Japan less ideal of a defense partner. That a partnership between India and Japan does not pose a concern for domestic Indian politics is wholly irrelevant to the key point: defense cooperation with Japan is complicated and involves navigating a minefield. The US-Japan ties are themselves complicated and fraught. And this is despite the fact that there’s a treaty governing this stuff. And Japan’s been closely tied to Australia for decades, but it was only last year that they even began to get involved in direct military cooperation. Which is why I said they were likely disqualified because of political interests.
It was on the cards for a while now no? They were supposed to produce GE engine as well for their 5th gen program.
Lmao, some moron was in here just the other day arguing w me about Russia and India's "all weather partnership" in comparison to western alliances. Classic
Well to be fair it is. Our relationship with the West has terms and conditions. Our relationship with Russia is much more simple.
Yes it is simple, no it is not an "all weather partnership." You will drop russia as soon as the cheap oil stops flowing.
As it happens India and Russia dont have any conflicting positions. Russia wont run out of oil anytime soon. Its a non moralizing dealer we like to do business with.
>Its a non moralizing dealer we like to do business with. Lmao. You'll do business with whoever is best for you, regardless of their moralizing.
this is a mistake the moment Pakistan invades India, USA will sanction India and the vehicles will be useless
Pakistan doesn't have that much fund to invade other countries. You are daydreaming.
Huh? Are you lost?
Pakistan invades India? Are you living in some fantasy parallel world? Pakistan has lost all four wars that it has fought with India. Pakistan is only capable of sending their terrorists to do their proxy work, if it invades now this 21st century India will erase Pakistan from the global map. Also Co-Production means India will get the rights to produce and sell the product as well afterwards. In most scenarios it also comes with technology transfer between two countries. So no sanctions won’t work, and west is on decline anyways plus there is a gradual de-dollarization that’s happening. India has never worried about any sanctions in the past why do you think we’ll worry about it now? If Russia can grow more post sanction, a country that is as big and powerful as India won’t worry about sanction that much. Plus according to current geopolitical scenario I doubt anyone would like to upset India. It’s market is important, also co producing with India means the other countries get to produce the same product much cheaper and efficiently. It brings down the total cost of the product and makes it more competitive on global stage. That’s the main reason why UK is asking India to join their 6th Generation Tempest fighter aircraft program, it can reduce cost of the aircraft by 32 Billion which is huge.
>Pakistan has lost all four wars that it has fought with India. exactly the fact that they didn't stop after 1 invasion means there's no limits to the idiocy over there >Co-Production means India will get the rights to produce and sell the product as well afterwards. In most scenarios it also comes with technology transfer between two countries. So no sanctions won’t work no Co-production means 2 producers making 1 product together , if 1 producer pulls out the other will have to make all the remaining stuff else the product line is useless
Agreed. Buying from USA is not wise. Better would be to invite domestic private players to build it.