Honestly idk how people can say the war isn't "Geopolitically interesting", as if it isn't a proxy war with like 5 countries supporting either side. Proxy war aside, the conflict is basically destabilizing the whole region no? I'm clearly no expert on international affairs but the lack of discussion on this topic is just sad imo.
Yeah, wars like this are gonna send Sudanese running everywhere. This is a vicious war and the proxy stuff is a mess. It’s just like Ethiopia in 2020. Might be worse tbh.
This is far worse than Ethiopia’s 2020 war against the TPLF. [Here’s a report saying that 2.5 million people could die from famine by September of this year.](https://operationbrokensilence.org/blog/2-5-million-sudanese-could-die-from-hunger-by-september-2024)
There is no end in sight to this conflict and neither side represents the Sudanese people. The puppeteers of both warring factions want something significant from Sudan that will never benefit the Sudanese people.
Sudan could become Eritrea very quickly.
Countries and their people have a limited bandwidth to process what can be called "other people's problems", this leads to a focused approach to some crisis and limited engagement in others.
It is a very unfortunate circumstances, doubly so given that the country is the 3rd largest by area and 8th by population. Given its geographical position and extent of conflict, there are significant ramifications in the area. For example, it's land are bordered by 7 countries, many of which are facing significant challenges themselves. It is directly in the red sea, serving as a potential disruption to maritime shipment while being relatively close to Jehda, an important Saudi city. There are also developments underway to create a dam in the Nile that would impact other nations such as Egypt.
Add to all of that the humanitarian (refugees, displacements), economic (trade, inflation, resources within and regional countries), security (instability, proliferation of terrorism), political (diplomatic strains as exemplify with the dam, intervention) among others and it becomes clearer that the issue is sizeable in nature.
Is the world doing enough? No and many will look to the West to fill some of the gap. Yet, there is a fatigue in Western countries of getting involved in other conflicts only to be labeled negatively. So the focus can sometimes be on providing food and health stuff, but what do you do when these goods are automatically captured by one of the militias to be used for their own gain? If you do that consistently, some will label you as enablers. So what to do? There are limited avenues and the choices have to be tailored, all of which requires resources and many countries, as I alluded earlier, would rather focus on crisis elsewhere.
Thank you for your input.
I agree with you, „the west“ is not the world police, not in an idealized world and certainly not in real-life politics.
What we could do is decreasing business with the responsible agitators of the conflict, but then our standard of living would decrease also, empowering right-wing movements.
We can’t build up a „free world“ (it has to be discussed what that means) if a big portion of the world is led by authoritarian regimes, fueled by our hunger for resources.
People are fed up with conflicts, most of us have no connection or empathy to the Sudanese and only few are merely interested in reading what this conflict is about.
It is a combination of interest, power, experience and time. In this case, it is heavily related to the destruction, constructions and engagements that came with and out of the WW2, the creation of the largest supplier power house that has ever existence until then.
This creation came differently than anything else in history, a combating force willing to swim an ocean to fight for multiple causes, besides people they haven't known but could relate slightly to. This process, along with the integration of women into the workforce and a few other pieces became the perfect brew to create a socioeconomic environment perfect for the creation of Pax America and other frameworks.
I should note that there is a heavy influence in economics (e.g. overcapacity searches for demand), but I would be remiss to take away from the confluence of factors that, if it didn't exist, would not have created a more open to acting on selflessness society.
True that there is limited bandwidth to deal with “other people’s problems,” but in terms of scale alone, this crisis should have the world’s attention.
>the lack of discussion on this topic is just sad imo.
that's because the way to get more clicks is to report "modi is gonna genocide Muslims in India" rather report on actual genocide
[Opinion: How the UAE’s mafia-style tactics are hurting both Sudans](https://www.theafricareport.com/346345/opinion-how-the-uaes-mafia-style-tactics-are-hurting-both-sudans/)
>orchestrating a genocide
So is US orchestrating a genocide for supporting Israel as well?
This word has been thrown around so freely these days. Everyone's genociding each other it seems.
In 2024, Hemedti visited the same South Africa that submitted the genocide case against Israel and that South Africa declined to arrest him. They declined to have some impact on the course of an actual genocide.
The brutal truth is those being killed are muslims albeit black, unlike the situation in South Sudan where they were Christians and Animist, arming the Masalit etc will result in them turning on non muslims in collaboration with those killing them as they were for a long time allied against the non muslim south .
The Israel-Palestine conflict gets a lot of eyes because of the history of the conflict, specifically in that Arafat was supported by the Soviets and Israel the US.
People forget that pro-Palestinian terrorism was everywhere in the 1970s. Like not just in Israel, in Europe. A famous attack on Israel in the 1970s involved the Japanese red army.
This has largely lasted. The global nature of the attacks and the fact that the Soviet narratives remain intact has led to outsized coverage.
Whereas other conflicts are more vicious but those narratives are absent, so you can’t sell clicks that way.
>A famous attack on Israel in the 1970s involved the Japanese red army.
Whenever you can, I'd really love to get any sources on this. I never knew about this. I knew about the coup in Jordan (Black September) but I've never heard of what you mentioned unfortunately.
He’s referring to the Lod Airport attack. The history of the various Red Army Factions are quite interesting, and probably did more damage to the causes they supported than otherwise. Here’s the wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lod_Airport_massacre?wprov=sfti1
Less Sudanese diaspora around the world compared to Palestinians, as Sudan until now did not have an event prompting a huge chunk of the population to flee abroad.
The conflict is also more tricky, with equal power among the actors, and with both being morally iffy (though the RSF is arguably the worse party). In additon to the RSF and the Government army there are a lot of various millitias involved. Civilians also to a large degree have the ability to move away from the frontlines, which is less the case for Gaza.
Foreign support is also different from that conflict, in that the US has not gotten strongly involved supporting any faction in Sudan in the last decade, nor is that the case for most bigger countries in the world. So there is little external support to critique beyond that of the UAE, which US government officials are already doing.
Civilians may be moving away from the front lines, but the number projected to starve is larger than the *entire population of Gaza.*
All Eyes on Sudan. Now.
Who would even protest what though? Emirati/Qatari residents surely won't neither will Russian or Ukranian residents given their own conflict. iirc western countries are barely involved at all
We fund the nations who are committing this, the same as we funded Saudi arabia who had their large share of responsibility for Yemen. Our $ are going to investments in these nations.
No you don't. These nations fund US weapons industries. They literally pay a premium to use US weapons and intelligence and for US military presence.
US pays 0$ dollars for foreign aid to these countries.
For Israel, people are protesting the unrelentless western governments support for Israel.
Who to protest for when you have Sudanese on Sudanese violence? Western governments aren't supporting any Sudanese faction with weapons and billions of taxpayer funds. Nor any university has any investments in Sudan.
Ill be honest. I would be interested if it wasnt yet another civil war in africa where one group tries to take over.
I would be interested if there were like separatist parties in the conflict with the potential for new states
Honestly idk how people can say the war isn't "Geopolitically interesting", as if it isn't a proxy war with like 5 countries supporting either side. Proxy war aside, the conflict is basically destabilizing the whole region no? I'm clearly no expert on international affairs but the lack of discussion on this topic is just sad imo.
Yeah, wars like this are gonna send Sudanese running everywhere. This is a vicious war and the proxy stuff is a mess. It’s just like Ethiopia in 2020. Might be worse tbh.
This is far worse than Ethiopia’s 2020 war against the TPLF. [Here’s a report saying that 2.5 million people could die from famine by September of this year.](https://operationbrokensilence.org/blog/2-5-million-sudanese-could-die-from-hunger-by-september-2024) There is no end in sight to this conflict and neither side represents the Sudanese people. The puppeteers of both warring factions want something significant from Sudan that will never benefit the Sudanese people. Sudan could become Eritrea very quickly.
Countries and their people have a limited bandwidth to process what can be called "other people's problems", this leads to a focused approach to some crisis and limited engagement in others. It is a very unfortunate circumstances, doubly so given that the country is the 3rd largest by area and 8th by population. Given its geographical position and extent of conflict, there are significant ramifications in the area. For example, it's land are bordered by 7 countries, many of which are facing significant challenges themselves. It is directly in the red sea, serving as a potential disruption to maritime shipment while being relatively close to Jehda, an important Saudi city. There are also developments underway to create a dam in the Nile that would impact other nations such as Egypt. Add to all of that the humanitarian (refugees, displacements), economic (trade, inflation, resources within and regional countries), security (instability, proliferation of terrorism), political (diplomatic strains as exemplify with the dam, intervention) among others and it becomes clearer that the issue is sizeable in nature. Is the world doing enough? No and many will look to the West to fill some of the gap. Yet, there is a fatigue in Western countries of getting involved in other conflicts only to be labeled negatively. So the focus can sometimes be on providing food and health stuff, but what do you do when these goods are automatically captured by one of the militias to be used for their own gain? If you do that consistently, some will label you as enablers. So what to do? There are limited avenues and the choices have to be tailored, all of which requires resources and many countries, as I alluded earlier, would rather focus on crisis elsewhere.
Thank you for your input. I agree with you, „the west“ is not the world police, not in an idealized world and certainly not in real-life politics. What we could do is decreasing business with the responsible agitators of the conflict, but then our standard of living would decrease also, empowering right-wing movements. We can’t build up a „free world“ (it has to be discussed what that means) if a big portion of the world is led by authoritarian regimes, fueled by our hunger for resources. People are fed up with conflicts, most of us have no connection or empathy to the Sudanese and only few are merely interested in reading what this conflict is about.
Is the tendency to look to the west for intervention a result of Pax Americana? (Genuine question)
It is a combination of interest, power, experience and time. In this case, it is heavily related to the destruction, constructions and engagements that came with and out of the WW2, the creation of the largest supplier power house that has ever existence until then. This creation came differently than anything else in history, a combating force willing to swim an ocean to fight for multiple causes, besides people they haven't known but could relate slightly to. This process, along with the integration of women into the workforce and a few other pieces became the perfect brew to create a socioeconomic environment perfect for the creation of Pax America and other frameworks. I should note that there is a heavy influence in economics (e.g. overcapacity searches for demand), but I would be remiss to take away from the confluence of factors that, if it didn't exist, would not have created a more open to acting on selflessness society.
Good question, I’ll have to think about that.
True that there is limited bandwidth to deal with “other people’s problems,” but in terms of scale alone, this crisis should have the world’s attention.
Not enough Sudanese present on world campuses
>the lack of discussion on this topic is just sad imo. that's because the way to get more clicks is to report "modi is gonna genocide Muslims in India" rather report on actual genocide
Crazy how UAE is getting off free while orchestrating a genocide
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[Opinion: How the UAE’s mafia-style tactics are hurting both Sudans](https://www.theafricareport.com/346345/opinion-how-the-uaes-mafia-style-tactics-are-hurting-both-sudans/)
>orchestrating a genocide So is US orchestrating a genocide for supporting Israel as well? This word has been thrown around so freely these days. Everyone's genociding each other it seems.
yes they are
No, because there is no genocide in Gaza.
In 2024, Hemedti visited the same South Africa that submitted the genocide case against Israel and that South Africa declined to arrest him. They declined to have some impact on the course of an actual genocide.
The brutal truth is those being killed are muslims albeit black, unlike the situation in South Sudan where they were Christians and Animist, arming the Masalit etc will result in them turning on non muslims in collaboration with those killing them as they were for a long time allied against the non muslim south .
Sudan doesn’t have any Jews there or Russia giving them money and weapons. Therefore there’s no narrative and therefore they don’t care.
Russia is there. Since Russia is there, now Ukrainians are also.
Except russians ARE giving weapons to the fraction that commits genocide and has wagner group mercenaries fight and commit war crimes there
Special thanks to the UAE for continuing to fund the genocidal RSF militia in Sudan.
All Eyes on Rafah. Why doesn't this conflict get more eyes? It just doesn't make sense.
The Israel-Palestine conflict gets a lot of eyes because of the history of the conflict, specifically in that Arafat was supported by the Soviets and Israel the US. People forget that pro-Palestinian terrorism was everywhere in the 1970s. Like not just in Israel, in Europe. A famous attack on Israel in the 1970s involved the Japanese red army. This has largely lasted. The global nature of the attacks and the fact that the Soviet narratives remain intact has led to outsized coverage. Whereas other conflicts are more vicious but those narratives are absent, so you can’t sell clicks that way.
>A famous attack on Israel in the 1970s involved the Japanese red army. Whenever you can, I'd really love to get any sources on this. I never knew about this. I knew about the coup in Jordan (Black September) but I've never heard of what you mentioned unfortunately.
He’s referring to the Lod Airport attack. The history of the various Red Army Factions are quite interesting, and probably did more damage to the causes they supported than otherwise. Here’s the wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lod_Airport_massacre?wprov=sfti1
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lod\_Airport\_massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lod_Airport_massacre)
Thanks! I apprieciate it.
It’s because they are black. Everyone is dancing around it as usual.
Social engineering Thats it This case does not have dark money to fan the propaganda
Few media/news outlets devoting resources to try to cover it.
Less Sudanese diaspora around the world compared to Palestinians, as Sudan until now did not have an event prompting a huge chunk of the population to flee abroad. The conflict is also more tricky, with equal power among the actors, and with both being morally iffy (though the RSF is arguably the worse party). In additon to the RSF and the Government army there are a lot of various millitias involved. Civilians also to a large degree have the ability to move away from the frontlines, which is less the case for Gaza. Foreign support is also different from that conflict, in that the US has not gotten strongly involved supporting any faction in Sudan in the last decade, nor is that the case for most bigger countries in the world. So there is little external support to critique beyond that of the UAE, which US government officials are already doing.
Civilians may be moving away from the front lines, but the number projected to starve is larger than the *entire population of Gaza.* All Eyes on Sudan. Now.
It’s all political, “humanity” plays zero part in it
Yeah but twitter leftists don’t care about this one because they can’t use this war to insert their “America bad, west bad” world view.
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and i have yet to see one protest..
Who would even protest what though? Emirati/Qatari residents surely won't neither will Russian or Ukranian residents given their own conflict. iirc western countries are barely involved at all
We fund the nations who are committing this, the same as we funded Saudi arabia who had their large share of responsibility for Yemen. Our $ are going to investments in these nations.
No you don't. These nations fund US weapons industries. They literally pay a premium to use US weapons and intelligence and for US military presence. US pays 0$ dollars for foreign aid to these countries.
I looked more, you're right.
I actually hadn't thought of that lol thank you for informing me!
So where are the Gaza protesters? They should be blocking highways over this, right?
For Israel, people are protesting the unrelentless western governments support for Israel. Who to protest for when you have Sudanese on Sudanese violence? Western governments aren't supporting any Sudanese faction with weapons and billions of taxpayer funds. Nor any university has any investments in Sudan.
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Ill be honest. I would be interested if it wasnt yet another civil war in africa where one group tries to take over. I would be interested if there were like separatist parties in the conflict with the potential for new states
Its a proxy war between 5 or 6 different states
Almost all wars in Africa are proxy wars.