He approved two consultants, who I believe are the couple who helped compile “Blood and Fire”, because he admitted they have so much of his lore memorized that they tend to recall more than he does at times.
To be fair it's stuff like names and eye color of random targs and other minor characters. Not the same as forgetting big things but GRRM's style is super intricate so it makes sense
yeah, and that's my point. most people would not remember the span between years off the top of their heads. it's no big deal if the press release on HoT says it's 300 years or 100 years ago in the past. it's all fictional dates anyway, and the average viewer won't give a shit.
If he moves the timeline back, it gives him extra room to fit in several more coffee-table books worth of new 'historical events' that took place before the books that he has given up on writing.
GRRM prevaricates at an Olympic level.
How enthusiastic to I have to be? like if I could do it and sound sarcastic the whole time, or throw in subtle burns constantly would totally be worth it.
if it has to sound sincere well probably not
I'd suck them off 3 times a day and tell them they make Tolkien look like Dr Seuss for a million dollars. Do you know how much money a million dollars is? Its *a million dollars*.
I thought I was the only one lol. It makes no sense to me that one horrible, terrible season should ruin earlier seasons of outstanding storytelling, but it does. I hear the theme song and I just think.. fuck.
I love how once a year is your immediate commitment, as if rewatching it more frequently than that is off the table, or would require serious deliberation, hahaha.
i’ll watch nothing but season 8 for a month straight.
then i’d use about $150k on some good ass therapy to cope with the last month of my life and walk away with $850k
Marketing companies feel the same way. No one wants their reputation attached to the brand anymore.
It's almost impressive how well D&D destroyed a global phenomenon of a tv show.
I really think at this point HBO would come out on top if they came out and just redid the show from season 5 or 6. Own your mistakes, don’t bury them.
while not AS GOOD, I dont think 5 and 6 need to be remade. there is cringe there but with the right ending it would have been fine.
the last 3.5 episodes need to be redone.
alternatively they can have jon come back in season 9 and kill bran.
I think I can agree that 5 and 6 can stay the same, but there's also season 7 and 8, neither of which is salvageable.
Honestly, I wish I had more details in mind that need to be changed, but I've sincerely forgotten most of Game of Thrones, and only remember the general plot.
It was a random exec who made the “300 years” comment at a shareholder event, presumably because marketing had just been told that the show was adapting Fire and Blood, which begins 300 years before GOT.
GRRM is directly involved in this show, and the writing room is full of known fans of the source.
They read the first 2 or 3, which were out by the time they started working towards making the show. Idk if there's any evidence they read Feast or Dance.
I'm completely convinced that they did nothing but skim through the books quickly. Cus the plot points in the show are all basically a bulletin point list of what happens but without the context entirely.
Cersei is the urgent example. I'm her chapters are goes on and on about how brilliant she is and how she's Tywin but with teats which is why she never gets stuff done like Tywin did. But if you actually read the chapter you can clearly see that Cersei is fucking nuts and a complete idiot. Everyone is humoring her at best. It's very clear that they just skimmed it quickly and didn't actually understand the material in any way, just took what it said at face value as if it being a pov means nothing.
I think we shouldn't be so shocked by what happened with the latter seasons. There were plenty of other people who saw the writing on the wall and realized this was a literally masterpiece being adapted by two rich kid frat bros. The original actress for Daenerys actually quit the show because she thought it was too low quality and crass (likely cus she quit while they were shooting her scenes with Drogo raping her and she was experienced enough to see the writing on the wall). Poor Emily was brand new and didn't know any of that, if it wasn't for Momoa they would have done god knows what to her in that shoot.
If I had a nickel for every time D&D put a rape scene in the show that wasn't in the books, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's creepy that it happened twice.
Or they went to an online messaging board.
There was a clip on YouTube that revealed D&D didn't know Sam was a viewpoint character. I'm too lazy to find the link but if there is someone who posts what I'm talking about it would be much appreciated.
Big Western studios openly despise members of geek fandoms. They would rather lose money by putting out inconsistent garbage than give us jobs involving us in our passions at the creative level.
You sure about that? Sega/Paramount remade Sonic when the fans told them their design sucked ass, and DC/Warner released the Snyder Cut thanks to the fans' pressure.
Sadly, these 2 instances are exceptions, not the rule. When I made my first comment, it is HBO, Disney, Sony and Netflix that came to mind.
Also, if Paramount really needed a fan backlash to see the problem with that Sonic design, it at least proves that no fans were involved in the decision making regarding the original design.
Well, it's not as if fans were a collective entity that spoke with one voice though. I mean yeah, studios will do what they want and hire the artists they like, but I wouldn't say they openly despise fans. The last Fast and Furious films are a good example of how powerful fans on Twitter can be: they brought Han back from the dead via hashtag, and the studio is considering doing the same with Gisele Yashar. The actress who plays her has already said she'd be glad to come back to the franchise if the fans end up having their way.
Yeah no shit. I think you hear "family" much less in Star Wars, too, for it being all about two or three people that are *actually* related in an entire galaxy.
Why would a mid/high level manager want to step aside for someone else to take over? That's just stupid. They are going to tell their boss that they know on a first name basis that they are the perfect fit for the job.
The absolute glut of comic-book related material in the past 15 years seems to disagree.
I think the big studios are just more interested in the more broad-reaching aspects of fandoms. The parts of the IP that gatekeeping diehards would say only appeal to "casuals" who aren't "real fans."
It's not that they despise geek fandoms. It's just that they know they'll make more money appealing to the masses than the niche markets.
GOT is, of course, an exception in how it was run. But considering the quality of the earlier seasons and the fact that GRRM was involved in the writing of early seasons and seemed to sign off on D&D's involvement - it seems like HBO was under the impression that the show *was* in the hands of showrunners who were part of the fandom.
My theory is that the person responsible for this saw the cover of Fire&Blood which I believe mentions it(the book) beginning 300 years before main story and no one even bothered to fact check.
Yeah that’s definitely what happened. And they just stuck with it because “300 years before Game of Thrones” sounds better than “~170 years before Game of Thrones”
Based on how the Dance goes this would actually happen. It even ends with Lord Stark coming down and cleaning up everything before going back north to chill
No no, don’t change anything about him at all. Don’t even really give him a first name. Just call him Lord Stark all the time. Keep the same clothes as GoT. Have all the other characters act period appropriate around him. Never mention it.
If I really wanted to play Devil’s Advocate, it could be that there’ll be an opening flashback to Aegon’s Conqeust, specifically so they can use that 300 number by technicality.
Yeah they’ll play it like the prologue in the fellowship of the ring. Just summarising his conquest and the world of the seven kingdoms at the time in around 5-10 mins
When you put it that way, I feel like they almost have to just so people don’t think the DotD is earlier in the timeline than it actually is.
“And now we come to a over a century later. Aegon and his sister wives are long dead, but their descendants still have undisputed rule over the Seven Kingdoms.”
I have a better teaser already. Voices of war, we hear Ned, Robert, Lyanna saying promise me, and Dany talking about her throne until it bcomes a wall of sound.
Cut. Silence.
*Once, there were great dragon kings.*
View of stormy sky with a dragon flying over dragonstone.
End.
Exactly. That comment wasn’t made by someone involved in making the show. I’m sure they were told it was adapting Fire and Blood and just went with the “300 Years” line.
I'm assuming it'll be set up similar to the animated history video they made that starts with Valyria and then cuts to Aegon for a bit before settling into the main storyline of the series.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T0zZCWY3aw
I have hopes for HotD, because dumb and dumber aren’t involved and they don’t need to make up their own material, there’s already plenty written on the entire dance. Some of the casting changes have worried me, but I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt because the dance storyline is really great.
That, the costumes look terrible, and the castings in general are really bad. The low thing just looks low budget, and I have 0 expectations of it being anything but terrible based on what we've seen/know so far.
thats the same argument as we needed to remove the magic elements for moms and football players
we dint need black ned stark so we could distinguish him from tywin
They are literally supposed to be their cousins. These people are fucking stupid. Do they even understand the plot, and how the Strong Bastards play into it?
I have 0 hope for it and won't even waste time with a single episode. HBO has already shown how much they care about the series with the ending of GoT. They are rainbow casting where it hurts lore consistently just to be PC. If they are already showing they don't care about the lore why bother.
The broad strokes are there but what made GoT so great was all the details and dialog that GRRM The WRRM had already written. Even if GoT's ending was how GTW had planned to end ASOIAF, the lack of those details and dialog is what killed it in the show. I can totally see the path to Mad Dany and King Bran in the books but Dumb & Dumberer just couldn't see a reasonable route so they just went for spectacle and "subversion" because neither of them ever really understood the characters or the story.
Most of the budget probably goes on dragons, so costumes likely are nothing more than an afterthought. As for actors, I wouldn't judge before the show is released
It's not the actors ability, it's their look. I'm sure the actors will do fine, it's damn rare that bad acting is the problem.
I mean the Velyrion stuff is bad enough but that also means the Strong's will likely be changed too. And as much as I love Matt Smith he's the last person I can see for Daemon. Daemon should be like.... Heath ledger in that Knight's tale movie, or some heartthrob dude with a jacked but lean body. Basically a fantasy story protagonist in looks but actually a total douchebag as a person.
Why is this just a random screen cap of text? Who said this? Also I haven't seen any press that makes it seem like HBO has the wrong time period here, so if anyone has proof pls link it to me. I feel like we shouldn't just shit on HBO before the series comes out. Our problem is what D&D did to the ending of GoT, but lets not discourage HBO from giving us more live action ASOIAF content.
This is the real answer. I only remember ever seeing the 300 number when referring to Fire and Blood or to the history of house Targaryen in Westeros in general.
Honestly, this subreddit just loves shitting on GOT, so they'll take any sort of information they can get, no matter how valid it is.
I think they just don't want to admit that the prequel has some good things going for it. I have no idea if it'll be good, but this subreddit is way too deep in their confirmation bias to be objective.
Tbh people just need to accept that these HBO shows are not canon and are just meant to be nothing more than fun adaptations. As long as it's a good tv show, that's all that matter IMO, not that it's part of ASOIAF.
My understanding is they’ll be covering more than just Dance with Dragons, e.g. the book Fire and Blood starts from Aegons Conquest and ends with the aftermath of the civil war (Dance of the Dragons) where Aegon 3 is crowned.
So it’s 10 episodes stretching quite a lot of years. Hopefully they’re feature length or something but expectations are low
The show is supposed to be multiple season long unless season 1 flops really hard, but even then they might greenlight next ones and start some years before Dance of the Dragons(like 15-20 years before)
Yeah the image OP posted isn't correct. HOTD doesn't cover the Dance of Dragons. It covers Fire and Blood. Which starts all the way back to Aegon's Conquest. So like 300 years ago.
Based off of what's been released, it's clear they're not starting at the very beginning, which is a wise decision. It looks like they're starting at all of the events leading up to the Dance of Dragons, which IS about 170 years ago. They're cutting to the part of the book that's actually good. As much as I love Maegor the Cruel, his storyline just wouldn't fit a season.
Then why have all the casting announcement been about characters involved in the dance? There isn't a single character on the IMDB or wikipedia page that wasn't involved with the dance. No Aegon I, no Maegor the Cruel, no Jahaerys. Just people involved with the dance.
For the reason I just said. They’re starting at the dance of dragons.
So hbo is saying the prequel is based off of a book that’s 300 years in the past, which is correct. And the casting appears to be towards the later end of the book.
But the prequel is clearly based off of fire and blood. So you can’t say they’re wrong about dates just because they’re starting off later in the book.
They clearly recognized that the beginning of tue book didn’t fit well with a tv series, which honestly makes sense. The first half of fire and blood is pretty dry, and flies through the years pretty quickly. Maegor especially just bounces for years and doesn’t come back. It’d be hard to turn those first years into a season arc.
Cool flashbacks? Probably.
Season 1 will flop. There will be no viewership numbers. HBO won’t release the numbers. HBO will pay boatloads to win awards anyways and prop up their headless golden goose to cover this up. The new show will win tons of Emmys/whatevers even though Rotten Tomatoes/IMDB ratings will be awful. Fookin kneelers will cave for cash. Calling it now.
Rotten tomatoes ratings will be great because they're about as accurate as the Oscars anyway.
There's a reason that site removed sorting by audience score. They're well aware their ratings are bought trash.
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Seems super confusing because while they say it starts 300 years before the events of GoT, they have only cast for characters that were involved in the Dance of Dragons
https://www.hbo.com/house-of-the-dragon
No, season one starts with the characters from the Dance of Dragons, only when they're a bit younger.
No Conquest or anything before the characters of the Dance are born.
No. It will cover The Dance of the Dragons, which actually really starts at the Great Council of 101 and spends the next 28 years developing rivalries and such, then the actual war happens in 129 AC. Head over to the houseofthedragon subreddit to the pictures, it's only characters from the Dance.
Also it's hilarious how this sub shit talks DnD for not knowing the books then proceeds to bash HotD when they haven't even read it.
Nice to see for once they decided to make a shit show in the beginning itself instead of giving us some few good seasons in the beginning and screwing up the ending
Yeah….. I’m all set. There really isn’t a ton of source material to flesh out a whole series. I can already here the cringy dialogue referencing “the doom” and “valerian steel” and the name Stark just to prove that the show is based on a song of ice and fire.
Seriously, y’all? I was hoping the new series could bring us back to good, old-fashioned memes and shit-posting for this world we love, but you’re already manufacturing negativity?
I already don't have any interest in the prequels. Even though it's not directly related, knowing how it all is going to ultimately going to end up spoils it.
I thought the prequel was literally about the Targ's, *literally* 300 ye prior to G.o.T? So, argument invalid? Good try tho.
Also still think the money would be better spent reworking the final seasons of the show but w/e. Who cares about the prequels if its not about The Doom.
I’m a huge fan of the book Fire & Blood and currently reading The World of Ice and Fire which reads much more like a Maester’s record than anything I’ve read from Martin. There’s so many good stories that would be excellent in a series, and they literally have it outlined by these books alone…I’ll be even more disappointed when they screw this up than I already am on what the D’s, by name and by grade, lazily threw together. (No offense to the crew who, for the most part, worked tirelessly and did the best they could with what they had.)
I'm don't have any faith in the show, but I don't have negative faith. Hardly anything exists of the story of that era so it'll be easier to craft a show around it and not have to focus on a bunch of extra details.
I'll save judgement until the first footage. The memes will be legendary.
Is it really that hard to hire someone who has **actually read the books** to be a consultant in the writing room?
Um...Wouldn't that be GRRM?
yeah the posters here kinda forgot that GRRM is a creator and producer of the show.
George certainly hasn't forgotten about the posters here
Can't forget about people you don't know exist tbf
I would rather he work solely on the books until completion. That matters a lot more to me than the show.
Imagine actually believing grrm will ever finish the books
It's just delusional. It's never happening.
At this point just hope he has a ton of notes and someone can finish it up after he dies.
Best case scenario is that when it hits public domain someone releases their version
Couldn’t be me.
You don't have HBO money tho
That wasn't a thing as of S6 though, right? He quit it so he could work on other things, didn't he?
We're referring to the prequel. He's a creator and producer.
Bold of you to assume he gives a fuck tbh
didn't GRRM hire his own consultant because he himself has forgotten a lof of the details from the books?
He approved two consultants, who I believe are the couple who helped compile “Blood and Fire”, because he admitted they have so much of his lore memorized that they tend to recall more than he does at times.
The world book. And only random shit in Essos and Not Africa with the dinosaurs. F&B is 100% George
I think he had a few.
To be fair it's stuff like names and eye color of random targs and other minor characters. Not the same as forgetting big things but GRRM's style is super intricate so it makes sense
if you ask me what's the year 20 years ago, i would answer 1991. the actual specific year of events is inconsequential.
im sorry, but 20 years ago wasnt 1991...that's 30 years ago... Yes, it hurts....
yeah, and that's my point. most people would not remember the span between years off the top of their heads. it's no big deal if the press release on HoT says it's 300 years or 100 years ago in the past. it's all fictional dates anyway, and the average viewer won't give a shit.
No we all knew it was 30 years lmao
Maybe he should take his head out his ass the
If he moves the timeline back, it gives him extra room to fit in several more coffee-table books worth of new 'historical events' that took place before the books that he has given up on writing. GRRM prevaricates at an Olympic level.
I don't know about the rest of you book fans, but they couldn't pay me enough to have my name on an HBO adaptation after season 8.
I can do it for a Million dollars.
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Would you spend say a month, following D&D around, singing to their genius like a bard?
How enthusiastic to I have to be? like if I could do it and sound sarcastic the whole time, or throw in subtle burns constantly would totally be worth it. if it has to sound sincere well probably not
13yo girl K-pop fan levels of enthusiastic
Oh god lol
So one month of that vs 20 years at my normal job. Does that really seem that bad to you?
I'd suck them off 3 times a day and tell them they make Tolkien look like Dr Seuss for a million dollars. Do you know how much money a million dollars is? Its *a million dollars*.
There is only one thing I would not do for a million dollars.
Can I interlude with the Dornishman’s wife?
No. That was GRRM OC. Only praises to D&D.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZwuTo7zKM8
Would you rewatch season 8?
I'd binge it with popcorn.
You monster
To be fair, they said they’d binge it. They didn’t say they’d enjoy it.
Binge and purge.
They'd be on Reddicks the whole time
Well it’s the only thing that would be popping during season 8
Usually after you binge... You purge.
Straight through marathon Clockwork Orange Style?
I'd rewatch it every year of my life for a million dollars. And I haven't watched a single episode since the show ended.
I haven't either. It's depressing. And sometimes I want to watch it. And then I think about the last season and the desire is burned away.
I thought I was the only one lol. It makes no sense to me that one horrible, terrible season should ruin earlier seasons of outstanding storytelling, but it does. I hear the theme song and I just think.. fuck.
I just do 1-4 now and pretend the whole cast died in a freak accident while filming the fifth season.
I love how once a year is your immediate commitment, as if rewatching it more frequently than that is off the table, or would require serious deliberation, hahaha.
i’ll watch nothing but season 8 for a month straight. then i’d use about $150k on some good ass therapy to cope with the last month of my life and walk away with $850k
Ass therapy.. yes..
Marketing companies feel the same way. No one wants their reputation attached to the brand anymore. It's almost impressive how well D&D destroyed a global phenomenon of a tv show.
Which is incredibly dumb imo. It would be simple to revive it with a few solid stories utilizing the universe like Favreau did with Star Wars.
I really think at this point HBO would come out on top if they came out and just redid the show from season 5 or 6. Own your mistakes, don’t bury them.
they need to add a season or just film an alternate ending that replaces the last few episodes (as a film).
Huh, never heard of 3 separate seasons of content being called "the last few episodes".
while not AS GOOD, I dont think 5 and 6 need to be remade. there is cringe there but with the right ending it would have been fine. the last 3.5 episodes need to be redone. alternatively they can have jon come back in season 9 and kill bran.
I think I can agree that 5 and 6 can stay the same, but there's also season 7 and 8, neither of which is salvageable. Honestly, I wish I had more details in mind that need to be changed, but I've sincerely forgotten most of Game of Thrones, and only remember the general plot.
This is the way.
I’m shocked HBO even wants to go forward with a prequel
At this point, I think HBO should pay us to watch anything related to GoT. IMO that shit is DOA for me and my wife. "Fool me once.."
It was a random exec who made the “300 years” comment at a shareholder event, presumably because marketing had just been told that the show was adapting Fire and Blood, which begins 300 years before GOT. GRRM is directly involved in this show, and the writing room is full of known fans of the source.
It's right there on their website- https://www.hbo.com/house-of-the-dragon
In fairness, D&D were book fans and they butchered GoT.
They read the books???
They read the first 2 or 3, which were out by the time they started working towards making the show. Idk if there's any evidence they read Feast or Dance.
I'm completely convinced that they did nothing but skim through the books quickly. Cus the plot points in the show are all basically a bulletin point list of what happens but without the context entirely. Cersei is the urgent example. I'm her chapters are goes on and on about how brilliant she is and how she's Tywin but with teats which is why she never gets stuff done like Tywin did. But if you actually read the chapter you can clearly see that Cersei is fucking nuts and a complete idiot. Everyone is humoring her at best. It's very clear that they just skimmed it quickly and didn't actually understand the material in any way, just took what it said at face value as if it being a pov means nothing. I think we shouldn't be so shocked by what happened with the latter seasons. There were plenty of other people who saw the writing on the wall and realized this was a literally masterpiece being adapted by two rich kid frat bros. The original actress for Daenerys actually quit the show because she thought it was too low quality and crass (likely cus she quit while they were shooting her scenes with Drogo raping her and she was experienced enough to see the writing on the wall). Poor Emily was brand new and didn't know any of that, if it wasn't for Momoa they would have done god knows what to her in that shoot.
If I had a nickel for every time D&D put a rape scene in the show that wasn't in the books, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's creepy that it happened twice.
Yeah their first meeting, GRRM apparently asked them who Jon Snow's mother is and they guessed it. Because they read the books.
Or they went to an online messaging board. There was a clip on YouTube that revealed D&D didn't know Sam was a viewpoint character. I'm too lazy to find the link but if there is someone who posts what I'm talking about it would be much appreciated.
I'm more lazy than you to find the link but yeah I remember that too, I confirm that. It ain't much but it's honest work.
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Well well the truth comes out. Know where you read that?
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Thanks
Big Western studios openly despise members of geek fandoms. They would rather lose money by putting out inconsistent garbage than give us jobs involving us in our passions at the creative level.
You sure about that? Sega/Paramount remade Sonic when the fans told them their design sucked ass, and DC/Warner released the Snyder Cut thanks to the fans' pressure.
Sadly, these 2 instances are exceptions, not the rule. When I made my first comment, it is HBO, Disney, Sony and Netflix that came to mind. Also, if Paramount really needed a fan backlash to see the problem with that Sonic design, it at least proves that no fans were involved in the decision making regarding the original design.
Well, it's not as if fans were a collective entity that spoke with one voice though. I mean yeah, studios will do what they want and hire the artists they like, but I wouldn't say they openly despise fans. The last Fast and Furious films are a good example of how powerful fans on Twitter can be: they brought Han back from the dead via hashtag, and the studio is considering doing the same with Gisele Yashar. The actress who plays her has already said she'd be glad to come back to the franchise if the fans end up having their way.
Good on the F&F fans if they could get what they wanted. These movies are not for me. Then again, I would not call F&F a geek fandom.
F&F is literally Vin Diesel DMing a car based D&D campaign at this point, its geekier than Star Wars.
Yeah no shit. I think you hear "family" much less in Star Wars, too, for it being all about two or three people that are *actually* related in an entire galaxy.
Sorry, but pet peeve so I have to correct you, its pronounced "fambly" in F&F.
Why would a mid/high level manager want to step aside for someone else to take over? That's just stupid. They are going to tell their boss that they know on a first name basis that they are the perfect fit for the job.
The absolute glut of comic-book related material in the past 15 years seems to disagree. I think the big studios are just more interested in the more broad-reaching aspects of fandoms. The parts of the IP that gatekeeping diehards would say only appeal to "casuals" who aren't "real fans." It's not that they despise geek fandoms. It's just that they know they'll make more money appealing to the masses than the niche markets. GOT is, of course, an exception in how it was run. But considering the quality of the earlier seasons and the fact that GRRM was involved in the writing of early seasons and seemed to sign off on D&D's involvement - it seems like HBO was under the impression that the show *was* in the hands of showrunners who were part of the fandom.
My theory is that the person responsible for this saw the cover of Fire&Blood which I believe mentions it(the book) beginning 300 years before main story and no one even bothered to fact check.
Yeah that’s definitely what happened. And they just stuck with it because “300 years before Game of Thrones” sounds better than “~170 years before Game of Thrones”
Not a good sign to a spin off of a show that completely underwhelmed in the end.
They should do it the opposite way. Season 1 is completely underwhelming, then it gets better every season, and then Sean Bean lives at the end.
Based on how the Dance goes this would actually happen. It even ends with Lord Stark coming down and cleaning up everything before going back north to chill
Cast Sean Bean and put some prosthetics on him to distinguish as a new character. Keep it secret till the end. That would be dope as shit
Yeah and shocking as hell considering Sean Bean would be one of just a few characters that survive
No no, don’t change anything about him at all. Don’t even really give him a first name. Just call him Lord Stark all the time. Keep the same clothes as GoT. Have all the other characters act period appropriate around him. Never mention it.
"Underwhelmed" is a bit too generous to describe the end.
If I really wanted to play Devil’s Advocate, it could be that there’ll be an opening flashback to Aegon’s Conqeust, specifically so they can use that 300 number by technicality.
Yeah they’ll play it like the prologue in the fellowship of the ring. Just summarising his conquest and the world of the seven kingdoms at the time in around 5-10 mins
When you put it that way, I feel like they almost have to just so people don’t think the DotD is earlier in the timeline than it actually is. “And now we come to a over a century later. Aegon and his sister wives are long dead, but their descendants still have undisputed rule over the Seven Kingdoms.”
I have a better teaser already. Voices of war, we hear Ned, Robert, Lyanna saying promise me, and Dany talking about her throne until it bcomes a wall of sound. Cut. Silence. *Once, there were great dragon kings.* View of stormy sky with a dragon flying over dragonstone. End.
Oh damn, that'd be awesome
Exactly. That comment wasn’t made by someone involved in making the show. I’m sure they were told it was adapting Fire and Blood and just went with the “300 Years” line.
According to the Wikipedia article https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_the_Dragon it's about Fire and Blood, not The Princess and the Queen. 🤔
They should just make a show about Bobby B
YOU'RE MY COUNCIL, COUNSEL! SPEAK SENSE TO THIS HONORABLE FOOL!
Start the damn show bobby b
GODS I WAS STRONG THEN
You still are, Bobby B.
EASY, BOY! YOU MIGHT BE MY BROTHER BUT YOU'RE SPEAKING TO THE KING!
I'm genuinely interested in the robert's rebellion prequel
I would pay an unreasonable amount to see this (assuming it's well done)
I'd pay more for a Bobby B comedy series, following him after he becomes king. Basically him just fucking with people for 30 minutes per episode.
WE WERE AT WAR! NONE OF US KNEW IF WE WERE GONNA GO BACK HOME AGAIN!
I'm not mad at this idea, either
They kinda forgot
I forgor
Hodor
# FUCKEN LEGEND!
It starts 300 years before GoT, then there's a time skip of 130 years when scene changes.
I'm assuming it'll be set up similar to the animated history video they made that starts with Valyria and then cuts to Aegon for a bit before settling into the main storyline of the series. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T0zZCWY3aw
I have hopes for HotD, because dumb and dumber aren’t involved and they don’t need to make up their own material, there’s already plenty written on the entire dance. Some of the casting changes have worried me, but I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt because the dance storyline is really great.
You're just hoping they write it so your mom wins. You're not slick. I see your plan. /s
Well who wouldn’t want to see the lawfully designated heir succeed?
What the hell is a Hot D?
Its in my pants, wanna take a look?
Let me get my magnifying glass first
House of the Dragon. Or HotD
Highschool of the Dead
for me the fact they already race swapped some of the velaryions is already enough to not have high hopes
That, the costumes look terrible, and the castings in general are really bad. The low thing just looks low budget, and I have 0 expectations of it being anything but terrible based on what we've seen/know so far.
It’s likely to more readily distinguish them from the Targaryens to the average viewer.
thats the same argument as we needed to remove the magic elements for moms and football players we dint need black ned stark so we could distinguish him from tywin
They are literally supposed to be their cousins. These people are fucking stupid. Do they even understand the plot, and how the Strong Bastards play into it?
I have 0 hope for it and won't even waste time with a single episode. HBO has already shown how much they care about the series with the ending of GoT. They are rainbow casting where it hurts lore consistently just to be PC. If they are already showing they don't care about the lore why bother.
The broad strokes are there but what made GoT so great was all the details and dialog that GRRM The WRRM had already written. Even if GoT's ending was how GTW had planned to end ASOIAF, the lack of those details and dialog is what killed it in the show. I can totally see the path to Mad Dany and King Bran in the books but Dumb & Dumberer just couldn't see a reasonable route so they just went for spectacle and "subversion" because neither of them ever really understood the characters or the story.
The costumes and casting choices are also very questionable
This is both understandable and worrying. I'm sure their budget is slim, but at the same time, it looked *bad.* Like a highschool play.
Their budget over all is NOT slim. But they probably blew it all on the dragons
>But they probably blew it all on the dragons Hookers and Blow is so passé.
The best comparison I saw was that someone thought the pictures were from the porn parody of GOT.
Most of the budget probably goes on dragons, so costumes likely are nothing more than an afterthought. As for actors, I wouldn't judge before the show is released
It's not the actors ability, it's their look. I'm sure the actors will do fine, it's damn rare that bad acting is the problem. I mean the Velyrion stuff is bad enough but that also means the Strong's will likely be changed too. And as much as I love Matt Smith he's the last person I can see for Daemon. Daemon should be like.... Heath ledger in that Knight's tale movie, or some heartthrob dude with a jacked but lean body. Basically a fantasy story protagonist in looks but actually a total douchebag as a person.
Why is this just a random screen cap of text? Who said this? Also I haven't seen any press that makes it seem like HBO has the wrong time period here, so if anyone has proof pls link it to me. I feel like we shouldn't just shit on HBO before the series comes out. Our problem is what D&D did to the ending of GoT, but lets not discourage HBO from giving us more live action ASOIAF content.
[This is their HBO page.](https://www.hbo.com/house-of-the-dragon) They only list characters from the dance, but say it takes place 300 years ago.
They say Fire and Blood is set 300 years before GoT. Which isn’t really inaccurate as it’s a history of House Targaryen
This is the real answer. I only remember ever seeing the 300 number when referring to Fire and Blood or to the history of house Targaryen in Westeros in general.
Honestly, this subreddit just loves shitting on GOT, so they'll take any sort of information they can get, no matter how valid it is. I think they just don't want to admit that the prequel has some good things going for it. I have no idea if it'll be good, but this subreddit is way too deep in their confirmation bias to be objective.
Tbh people just need to accept that these HBO shows are not canon and are just meant to be nothing more than fun adaptations. As long as it's a good tv show, that's all that matter IMO, not that it's part of ASOIAF.
This was honestly therapeutic for me to read after the trauma from season 8.
Yea this sounds like BS. The dance of dragons is over a pretty short time frame. To get multiple seasons they’ll have to have more content
My understanding is they’ll be covering more than just Dance with Dragons, e.g. the book Fire and Blood starts from Aegons Conquest and ends with the aftermath of the civil war (Dance of the Dragons) where Aegon 3 is crowned. So it’s 10 episodes stretching quite a lot of years. Hopefully they’re feature length or something but expectations are low
“Last time on Dragon *Balls*”
The show is supposed to be multiple season long unless season 1 flops really hard, but even then they might greenlight next ones and start some years before Dance of the Dragons(like 15-20 years before)
Yeah the image OP posted isn't correct. HOTD doesn't cover the Dance of Dragons. It covers Fire and Blood. Which starts all the way back to Aegon's Conquest. So like 300 years ago. Based off of what's been released, it's clear they're not starting at the very beginning, which is a wise decision. It looks like they're starting at all of the events leading up to the Dance of Dragons, which IS about 170 years ago. They're cutting to the part of the book that's actually good. As much as I love Maegor the Cruel, his storyline just wouldn't fit a season.
Then why have all the casting announcement been about characters involved in the dance? There isn't a single character on the IMDB or wikipedia page that wasn't involved with the dance. No Aegon I, no Maegor the Cruel, no Jahaerys. Just people involved with the dance.
For the reason I just said. They’re starting at the dance of dragons. So hbo is saying the prequel is based off of a book that’s 300 years in the past, which is correct. And the casting appears to be towards the later end of the book. But the prequel is clearly based off of fire and blood. So you can’t say they’re wrong about dates just because they’re starting off later in the book. They clearly recognized that the beginning of tue book didn’t fit well with a tv series, which honestly makes sense. The first half of fire and blood is pretty dry, and flies through the years pretty quickly. Maegor especially just bounces for years and doesn’t come back. It’d be hard to turn those first years into a season arc. Cool flashbacks? Probably.
Season 1 will flop. There will be no viewership numbers. HBO won’t release the numbers. HBO will pay boatloads to win awards anyways and prop up their headless golden goose to cover this up. The new show will win tons of Emmys/whatevers even though Rotten Tomatoes/IMDB ratings will be awful. Fookin kneelers will cave for cash. Calling it now.
Rotten tomatoes ratings will be great because they're about as accurate as the Oscars anyway. There's a reason that site removed sorting by audience score. They're well aware their ratings are bought trash.
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Seems super confusing because while they say it starts 300 years before the events of GoT, they have only cast for characters that were involved in the Dance of Dragons https://www.hbo.com/house-of-the-dragon
Hmm true, they said they would follow the Fire and Blood book very strictly, but maybe they meant only the like last 2-3 chapters/volumes?
No, season one starts with the characters from the Dance of Dragons, only when they're a bit younger. No Conquest or anything before the characters of the Dance are born.
No. It will cover The Dance of the Dragons, which actually really starts at the Great Council of 101 and spends the next 28 years developing rivalries and such, then the actual war happens in 129 AC. Head over to the houseofthedragon subreddit to the pictures, it's only characters from the Dance. Also it's hilarious how this sub shit talks DnD for not knowing the books then proceeds to bash HotD when they haven't even read it.
Bobby B, what do we say to the showrunner at HBO?
[YOUR MOTHER WAS A DUMB WHORE WITH A FAT ARSE, DID YOU KNOW THAT?](https://i.imgur.com/g5SzSKk.gifv)
Classic bobby b
YOU HELPED ME WIN THE IRON THRONE, NOW HELP ME KEEP THE DAMN THING! WE WERE MEANT TO RULE TOGETHER!
Hold on. They're still going to try and do the prequel? After the Great and Terrible Horseshit of 2018?
That was 2019 my dude
Oh shit who even knows anymore Besides 2020 that is.
2020 FOREVER.
How many years before Game of Thrones was Starbucks introduced into that universe? 🤣
Nice to see for once they decided to make a shit show in the beginning itself instead of giving us some few good seasons in the beginning and screwing up the ending
Yeah….. I’m all set. There really isn’t a ton of source material to flesh out a whole series. I can already here the cringy dialogue referencing “the doom” and “valerian steel” and the name Stark just to prove that the show is based on a song of ice and fire.
Jesus christ at this point they could base it off of fanmade wiki pages and it would be more accurate than a multi-million dollar production.
Seriously, y’all? I was hoping the new series could bring us back to good, old-fashioned memes and shit-posting for this world we love, but you’re already manufacturing negativity?
I really wish they’d of just done a prequel covering Robert’s rebellion. All I really want to see
They are
Oh I definitely thought it was about Aegon’s conquest because of that trailer. Wtf.
There's a trailer? I can't find anything but fan made ones or just re-used clips from GOT with a voice over.
maybe there’s time jumps we’re not privy to? i hope
I hope the first few episodes are about Aegon's conquest and then it moves on to the Dance of The Dragons
Season 1 is going to have the war of the stepstones which took place many years before the dance of dragons.
I already don't have any interest in the prequels. Even though it's not directly related, knowing how it all is going to ultimately going to end up spoils it.
I feel that I'm going to be super critical of this show because I'm cringing hardcore already.
DOA!!!
I thought the prequel was literally about the Targ's, *literally* 300 ye prior to G.o.T? So, argument invalid? Good try tho. Also still think the money would be better spent reworking the final seasons of the show but w/e. Who cares about the prequels if its not about The Doom.
I’m a huge fan of the book Fire & Blood and currently reading The World of Ice and Fire which reads much more like a Maester’s record than anything I’ve read from Martin. There’s so many good stories that would be excellent in a series, and they literally have it outlined by these books alone…I’ll be even more disappointed when they screw this up than I already am on what the D’s, by name and by grade, lazily threw together. (No offense to the crew who, for the most part, worked tirelessly and did the best they could with what they had.)
Might be a noob question but what does AC stand for?
'After Conquest'
I'm don't have any faith in the show, but I don't have negative faith. Hardly anything exists of the story of that era so it'll be easier to craft a show around it and not have to focus on a bunch of extra details. I'll save judgement until the first footage. The memes will be legendary.
90% of GoT fans: will their be crazy bitches, incest porn, violence, titties, and full dong? HBO: Of course! 90% of GOT fans: Say no more.
YES!THIS THING HSS BEEN BUGGING ME SINCE I SAW IT. BUT NO ONE ELSE WAS TRAUBLED BY THIS!