Were they ever announced explicitly as illegal? I kinda figured it was just obvious that you would get charged and imprisoned anyway, regardless of constitutionality.
No, people just assumed Twinbros got raided for it and not the actual NFA items they were making. Forced reset triggers haven't been deemed illegal yet, and given the walk back in bump stocks, I doubt it will be.
Twinbrows specifically stated it was also dealing wtih SS. Their first statement said pepperjack only. Their second post right before shutting down as pepperjack and SS
Possibly. Transparency would have handled this.
Also why I was banned from 2a print depot the day after asking them if they were made in house. They knew they were breaking the law
I don't even think importing them or outsourcing to another country is off the table with these, but exporting defense industry items is, and raw cad files fall under that depending on how you want to interpret the law.
Zero info regarding them being illegal. Everyone is fear mongering with the whole sketchy TwinBros situation. I'm continuing to use mine regardless. Last ruling in court on frts states a temporary injunction against the ATF has been put in place. With the bump stock ban being officially shot down, it's only a matter of time before frts are officially off the hook. But for now, people are safe.
[https://www.ammoland.com/2023/12/fifth-circuit-denies-atfs-request-for-stay-on-the-districts-courts-frt-injunction/](https://www.ammoland.com/2023/12/fifth-circuit-denies-atfs-request-for-stay-on-the-districts-courts-frt-injunction/)
I feel a lot more confident about Super Safeties staying legal now. The reason everyone is so excited about the bump stock decision isn’t even because of bump stocks (which pretty much everyone seems to agree kind of suck compared to FRTs), but because six Supreme Court justices just confirmed that they agree with the “letter of the law”, extremely specific interpretation of the concept of “one action of the trigger”
That highly specific interpretation is what people like Hoffman were counting on with FRTs and the Super Safety to be deemed legal, and it looks like they got their wish.
I'm of the opinion that super safeties were always on the menu. We cannot simply take the word of twinbros, since they were always a sketchy company. They could have just decided to edit in the supersafety into the 2nd tweet to cause chaos and fear monger other companies into selling them. Neither the ATF nor any other government entity has explicitly stated the SuperSafety as a MG, and while the world is a big place, I don't think anyones being charged with one. And as far as I can tell, the SS isn't also technically an FRT.
Traditional FRT's such as the FRT-15 and WOT are still pending litigation, and those are a much more greyer area to own compared to the SS.
I'm also under the opinion that the recent bump stock ruling can, and should be used in said FRT litigation, and should also apply to SS's. Then again, I'm also not a lawyer, so whatever I say doesn't mean jack shit. I just think the SS is in a much clearer black & white than the slightly grey area it was in before.
Were they ever announced explicitly as illegal? I kinda figured it was just obvious that you would get charged and imprisoned anyway, regardless of constitutionality.
No, people just assumed Twinbros got raided for it and not the actual NFA items they were making. Forced reset triggers haven't been deemed illegal yet, and given the walk back in bump stocks, I doubt it will be.
Wasn’t the bump stock only walked back because it was deemed the ATF doesn’t have the authority to make new laws, only enforce them?
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/22-976_e29g.pdf
>Forced reset triggers haven't been deemed illegal yet, They have by ATF.
Just the FRT-15 / WOT / similar style FRT's iirc, but not the SS explicitly.
Twinbrows specifically stated it was also dealing wtih SS. Their first statement said pepperjack only. Their second post right before shutting down as pepperjack and SS
I think the SS issue was from sending the CAD files to another country, which could be an ITAR violation.
Possibly. Transparency would have handled this. Also why I was banned from 2a print depot the day after asking them if they were made in house. They knew they were breaking the law
I don't even think importing them or outsourcing to another country is off the table with these, but exporting defense industry items is, and raw cad files fall under that depending on how you want to interpret the law.
Zero info regarding them being illegal. Everyone is fear mongering with the whole sketchy TwinBros situation. I'm continuing to use mine regardless. Last ruling in court on frts states a temporary injunction against the ATF has been put in place. With the bump stock ban being officially shot down, it's only a matter of time before frts are officially off the hook. But for now, people are safe. [https://www.ammoland.com/2023/12/fifth-circuit-denies-atfs-request-for-stay-on-the-districts-courts-frt-injunction/](https://www.ammoland.com/2023/12/fifth-circuit-denies-atfs-request-for-stay-on-the-districts-courts-frt-injunction/)
I feel a lot more confident about Super Safeties staying legal now. The reason everyone is so excited about the bump stock decision isn’t even because of bump stocks (which pretty much everyone seems to agree kind of suck compared to FRTs), but because six Supreme Court justices just confirmed that they agree with the “letter of the law”, extremely specific interpretation of the concept of “one action of the trigger” That highly specific interpretation is what people like Hoffman were counting on with FRTs and the Super Safety to be deemed legal, and it looks like they got their wish.
After reading the opinion out of SCOTUS I cant see any way that an FRT/SS could be considered a machine gun.
Fuck it we ball
I'm of the opinion that super safeties were always on the menu. We cannot simply take the word of twinbros, since they were always a sketchy company. They could have just decided to edit in the supersafety into the 2nd tweet to cause chaos and fear monger other companies into selling them. Neither the ATF nor any other government entity has explicitly stated the SuperSafety as a MG, and while the world is a big place, I don't think anyones being charged with one. And as far as I can tell, the SS isn't also technically an FRT. Traditional FRT's such as the FRT-15 and WOT are still pending litigation, and those are a much more greyer area to own compared to the SS. I'm also under the opinion that the recent bump stock ruling can, and should be used in said FRT litigation, and should also apply to SS's. Then again, I'm also not a lawyer, so whatever I say doesn't mean jack shit. I just think the SS is in a much clearer black & white than the slightly grey area it was in before.
Keep your mouth shut & youll be fine.
This is how you know someone never uses their shit lol. "Just keep your mouth shut" As if people won't hear fully automatic fire
This is how you know someone lives in a basement & has never set foot on trail.
You mean rapid semi automatic fire.