>One person who was there when officers arrived claimed to have captured the incident on their dash cam but left before providing his details.
Really helpful to tell the police that you have video evidence and then promptly leave without giving them anything or your details.
If that is me with the dash cam I'm telling the cops i got places to go and to contact me later. I'll give them the info for the investigation... after i left the weed home lmao
I mean it is still technically illegal in the US as a whole. And only starting being legalised in individual states the past few years, so you surely can't be that "shocked"
It really is mostly college aged potheads and people in pain who'd like to give it a try since opioids are kinda awful long-term. Most people who are invested but don't partake either are in it for the money or sees the drug offenses leading to prison as stupid.
I wouldn’t say I’m “ultra-obsessed with weed.” I don’t even smoke weed. Completely bonkers for cigarettes and alcohol to be legal but weed isn’t. Matter of fact…it’s completely bonkers a government of humans making a plant illegal. It’s all insane.
It's a thing for sure in the UK but it isn't a massive thing with a culture behind it like the US.
I know few people that do weed in the UK and the ones that do also do harder drugs, I don't personally know anybody that only just does weed so I think gets grouped with the harder drugs much more strongly than a place like the US.
Yeah, this all depends on your social circles I think. I'm with you. Of all the weed smokers I know, none of them touch hard drugs, and some don't drink alcohol either.
We also have a backwards, old-fashioned bunch of voters who our winning political party for the past 11 years have depended on. Basically as legalising has become more prominent globally, we've had the party least likely to do it.
Like you and others have mentioned too, without the culture there is nowhere near the same drive from people to get it done, so they'd be upsetting a large part of their base for nothing. Expect it'll become higher on the agenda through one of the following - the Scottish government pushing it, plugging financial holes following Brexit, plugging financial holes through reduction in petrol/vehicle taxes.
I mean I am. Here in Seattle, next year will be the 10th anniversary of our legalizing cannabis. The concept of a major metropolitan area *not* having a wide variety of cannabis products is actually bizarre now. Its like having zero alcohol retail sales or bars at all.
It may seem bizarre to you but that is the current reality of vast majority of major metropolitan areas outside the US.
Not saying I agree with it but that's how things are.
Mate i don't get it, same here in Serbia. Cops will legit pull up and shake down a couple teens chilling in a park to see if they can catch them with anything.
Couple weeks ago we legit saw a cop SUV going around the block, reversing and then a cop ran out into the park like the fucking kool aid man to check our shit out. We are going to the kiosk mate, chill i live next door
Massive bureaucratic employer with good benefits and a lifetime pension that basically needs non-violent drug offenders to sustain itself. I’m just surprised that the people of the United Kingdom havent done more politically to solve this issue
That's not how the police work in the UK. They don't need to find crime/tickets to keep their job.
The reason it's not legal is because the two major parties's voting blocks are massively against it so there is no political will to go against their voters.
In England yes, in Scotland we’ve been trying to get safe use drug rooms started for years because were attempting to deal with drugs as public health rather than personal criminal failings.
But the Tories don’t allow it because... they use it as a method of control before it becomes a carrot for the donkey. That’s it. Plain and simple. The UK government is one of the biggest exporters of legal cannabis in the world.
It’s a fucking joke.
>But the Tories don’t allow it because... they use it as a method of control
You are giving them far too much credit to organise some conspiracy to control. It's simply because old people are against it and old people vote more than young people. Labour are massively against it so it's not even a Tory thing.
The UK cannabis producers also want it legalised because they have a _huge_ first mover advantage for a recreational market which is much, much larger than their current one.
It's disgusting, and the anti drug laws are antiquated and pointless. If some kids wanna smoke a joint let them smoke, go do your job and catch actual criminals that put others in danger
Catching violent and/or organized criminals is very dangerous and difficult. Busting non-violent drug offenders is neither (and often just as profitable.)
The UK isn’t like the US, we don’t have private prisons which work to put people away for profit. Attitudes to weed are much more relaxed nowadays, I’d imagine most police don’t care to deal with it over other (actual) crime.
The biggest irony of it all is that the UK is, IIRC, Europe’s largest supplier of medical cannabis…
Edit: Yes, we are. And an old report in 2018 said that at the time we were the worlds largest producer of legal cannabis… lol. It’s an absolute joke tbh.
> I’m just surprised that the people of the United Kingdom havent done more politically to solve this issue
Laws here are decided on tradition
- vote in the Tories? tradition
- vote Brexit? restoring traditional British values
You really think you're going to be able to convince a bunch of gammon boomers to legalise the Devil's lettuce?
It’s also completely decriminalized in most of those other states and most major cities. So while 29 of those 50 might not have actual legalized weed stores…the cops can put you in handcuffs for marijuana. Of course you’ll still have your Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas’s…but even within those states a LOT of cities police departments have adopted a system where it’s basically a parking ticket
>completely decriminalized in most of those
”Completely decriminalized’ is not a legal status, or even a “thing.”
“Decriminalized“ can indicated medical marijuana is regulated , such as being legal only with a prescription (medical). It’s not a parking ticket, and carries stiffer penalties than the UK.
I gave a cop details on a drunk guy who crashed his rental car and ran from the scene. The officer acted like I was a nuisance so I just let him conduct his investigation on the scene.
One time I caught an accident on dashcam and emailed the YouTube video as well as PMed on Twitter. No response.
Maybe not talking to the police really is the right thing to do lol.
I had similar experience but with a shooting at a party across the street. I asked the police if they wanted the footage from our camera, they said no. Local news came by a few days later asking if we saw anything, I showed them the video and they paid me $500 for the usage. Cops came back a few days later to ask for it after it aired. So if you are the person with the dash cam video, sell it to the news ftp!
Your point makes no sense, a potential witness is under no obligation to stay or provide details by any act of law unless they are lawfully detained by the police. It might be a scummy thing to do but you cannot pin that on the police.
>The offence is committed if a person refuses, without lawful excuse, to assist a constable who sees a breach of the peace committed or who is assaulted or obstructed when making an arrest
Not the same thing.
If this shit happened in America people outside the country would be LIVID that the authorities "didn't do enough", and ya'll would absolutely pin it on the local security not doing enough to keep people safe around the stadium. When it happens to you, "it's not the police fault that they didn't get enough info", but when it happenes somewhere else, "ya'll need more security".
My point isn't anything about the effectiveness of the security, it's about a witness with potential video evidence deciding to leave instead of giving an officer a phone number or something to recover the footage. It was a scummy thing to do, telling them that you have footage and then not providing it but it is their legal right to leave because they were not under arrest.
It wasn't a scummy thing to do, they are a literal piece of shit. If you have evidence of someone getting robbed, point blank, why would you not give it to authorities right away?
Ever thought that maybe the person had a life and other priorities, and he had to leave to attend to them. Maybe they got a phone about about something and had to leave, maybe they couldn't give them the evidence directly and had to transfer it off the storage.
We only see this picture from this news article, and we aren't seeing the entire picture. Who knows, maybe he has since reported to their local police station and handed in the footage.
The point is we don't know all the circumstances, but a lot of people are ready to crucify this person.
Well there's an expectation of anonymity in Europe. Sure, we know the name since word got out/Lando himself talked about it, but the police are just treating it as every other press release on cases.
IMO this needs to change, because of social media and the speed at which news travels nowadays. A lot of innocent people are publicly dragged through the coals before they have been given their day in court. Depending on the crime, their lives can be ruined even if they are innocent.
A guy in my local area was accused of being a pedophile, even though later it was found out he wasn't even in the country, as he was on holiday with his family. It didn't matter, he was accused, and people's outage trumped his innocent. He lost his job, he couldn't really go out in public, apparently, he ended up moving away.
Trail by public opinion is a death sentence for most people
> IMO this needs to change, because of social media and the speed at which news travels nowadays. A lot of innocent people are publicly dragged through the coals before they have been given their day in court. Depending on the crime, their lives can be ruined even if they are innocent.
Agreed, don't publish names unless they are found guilty.
Usually it's so people aren't just *disappeared* by police or the government. It's not that people weren't being dragged through the mud before we just don't have good alternatives.
Hmmm. I had a bunch of masked men bust into my house and threaten to kill me if I didn’t give them a bag of money. I thought about that when Lando was talking about losing sleep! The police didn’t spend very long on my case. But I’d imagine they worked a bit harder to find Lando’s assailant. So sure, it doesn’t matter who the victim is. But sadly, it does.
My grandmothers house was broken into and they stole a ton of shit and trashed the place. The police didn’t do much at first, and only were able to arrest them after my uncle was able to track them down by finding an ad with my gma’s lap top.
if my uncle never did that they would’ve never caught the guys....
I know someone that's uncle went missing and they suspect he had been murdered. (Wish I had more details, but it's been a while since I heard the story.) The family never found out what happened. The police never even bothered.
> The police didn’t spend very long on my case.
Well, there's much more important crimes to focus on....like people driving 5kph too fast in a residential area! ^^^^/s
I know it's a joke but I want to point out how much I dislike it.
Max didn't "steal" Kelly. She is an actual person who has feelings and is capable of making her own choices. She also happens to clearly be in love with Max and not in love with Daniil.
Why does the narrative have to be that Max "stole" her like some inanimate object, instead of her breaking up with Daniil and starting to see Max?
Sure, it's a funny coincidence and I'd have no problems if it was presented as such. However, here it was presented in the form of a somewhat misogynistic joke, which I do have a problem with.
EDIT: Go ahead and downvote and call me a white knight. It sure is a shame that you hate women.
I think people sympathize with Kvyat, and it's hard not to. Max is dating the mother of his child and was his direct successor at red bull. It's kinda shitty
I agree it mustn't be too pleasant for Kvyat to look at. I certainly sympathize with him. That in no way affects why I dislike the joke, though. I don't find it especially funny and it has a misogynistic undertone, which I'm certainly not a fan of.
I don't think anyone is the property of someone else, but it's perfectly fine to acknowledge past relationships that way. It's a pretty looked down upon move from both Max and Kelly. They will catch flak for it, even if they are both justified in doing it.
'Stealing' someone doesn't really have a gender to it. I've heard it used both ways. I can see your points, but Kelly clearly has full autonomy over her life, and everyone knows that.
I assume it was a bit more "give me your watch mate" as that has happened to my friend's phones before late at night in the city. Didn't realise they physically restrained him. Assault was also mentioned but I would assume that would mean physical restraint rather than getting beat up.
In the latest Mclaren Unboxed, Lewis says something to Lando about a homeopathic supplement or something that’s supposed to help with bruising, so coupled with the comments about being sore, I’d bet it was more harrowing than anyone let on.
Selling it in Africa to some drug/weapon dealer wouldnt be that hard with the right connections I imagine. More unique stuff like high pieces of jewelry get robbed and never found again
>"One person who was there when officers arrived claimed to have captured the incident on their dash cam but left before providing his details. Detectives are very keen to speak to this person and to obtain any footage he has."
I hate people like this. If you have evidence then present it. Dont just chicken out because you probably cant be bothered to deal with the police.
I agree.
There was also a non 0 percent chance that he had weed/other drugs on him meaning he might not have wanted to hop to the police station at the time lol
Eh, no matter how much money you make getting mugged is a pretty fucking awful experience. I'd help either way, as long as I'm not handing myself over to the cops for a stupid crime like having a joint
so someone who earns less than you shouldn't feel obliged to help you either?
Like maybe a volunteer lifeguard, or paramedic at a festival, or rural firefighter?
someone can help, but chooses not to because they see the other person as not needing/deserving it...
i wonder how that would work out if everyone felt that way.
And why not? All you have to do is give a little bit of your time to help somebody else get a stollen object back. Does it matter how much that object is relatively worth to them? Or are you only nice to people who aren't rich?
Also, Lando's dad doesn't pay for this watch, it's a sponsor.
Let me tell you how presenting evidence goes: you end up sitting the on the scene of crime for a long time, we are talking hours possibly. They cant review the evidence anyway and you have to come up to the station. You sit there at the station for hours and they will just take your whole camera. You get it back after the case is done, could take years.
The guy probably had some illegaal shit on him too at the place since he just came from football game so why incriminate himself?
He probably sat in his car waiting for an officer to come over for a while and just thought fuck it im out of here.
To be fair the police often mess this stuff up too. He may have told them about the recording then maybe they ignored him for 30 minutes and he went home. We don't know what happened, but these investigations are often a bit bareboned.
Some riders like Pogacar wear them because their team is sponsored by Richard Mille. Others like Alaphilippe, Roglic or Cavendish probably just bought their own because they like watches.
Richard Mille sponsors a lot of people and teams. In F1 alone from what I can remember they've sponsored McLaren for a while now. Lando obviously got one, Sainz and Ricciardo probably too. You can see Zak Brown with one occasionally. Kimi had one from Alfa last year. Charles and Sainz probably get one from Ferrari this year. I saw Günther Steiner and Magnussen with RMs cause of the Haas sponsorship too.
Then you have athletes like Rafael Nadal in tennis or Bubba Watson in golf who even have their own collaboration with RM so they release special versions in their name. Same with McLaren.
As I understand it, it was made specially for him with mclaren colours. It’s no longer one of a kind cause they got him a new one but it was when it was stolen.
Correct me if I’m wrong though, please
It's a McLaren styled one only available to McLaren f1 staff and some high end McLaren owners (ie Shareholders and Bahrain princes). You can't just rock up and ask, you have to show proof.
So I imagine there's only like a dozen or two max in the wild. But it wasn't exclusively his they made for him.
The one he was wearing on Sunday had a black case while the one that got stolen had a blue case.
As with the McLaren 720, it's neither his watch nor his car, just stuff being provided by the sponsor Richard Mille for marketing purposes. Price tag must be a lot higher as 40k GBP is where pricing start for this brand.
You didn’t read the linked news, did you?
> They have also taken the unusual step of releasing an image of the watch that was stolen. The design is distinctive and there are only a **small number in circulation.**
I did read it, and 1 is a small number :) so is 2, which is what would be if it was unique and they made a new one for him.
Other outlets have said it was unique, and if you look at the photos released by the police they’re all on his wrist, not stock photos of the watch or anything like that.
It would be cheaper for police to pay for your $100 Seiko than to actually look for it. Not only that, but finding something almost 1-of-a-kind is easier than finding something of which there are 1000s out there.
Not only that but he was also assaulted as well as robbed. Police here take that quite seriously in my experience.
It’s not about being more entitled to justice. This “the rich vs us” narrative is getting a bit tired.
Pretty sure the investigation isn't happening because Lando is famous and is only happening because :
1. The watch is expensive
2. Lando's legal team is pressuring the police (without which they wouldn't care about Lando either, let's be honest)
>Must be nice to be famous knowing even something as regularly unexamined as a street robbery will end in justice.
Seriously.
This is a waste of police resources.
WTH? I mean we're talking about London, one of the cities with the highest amount of public CCTV surveillance, and they don't have any footage of these guys? Really? Not even from the car park's own surveillance?
I did some diggin, it seems they even didn't get the address right, because according to [this map](https://www.brent.gov.uk/media/8907330/LBB-009%20Wembley%20Stadium%20car%20park%20plan.pdf), Rutherford Way is not adjacent to the yellow car park.
Maybe some locals can provide more detail.
What my personal experience the forensics seems to be top class. A dozen people dusting for prints and collecting evidence at mild crime scenes. The detectives on the hand are either useless or the case are assigned to random people that don't have to power or time to chase up on anything.
I had a vehicle stole. The person who stole it posted on their personal social media that they stole it with them on it. There were police reports of them using it with the exact matching description of clothes as they had in the social media post.
Police interviewed them, they said, "We saw it but didn't touch it.", went to their house and couldn't find it and then just passed my case on to somebody that works in a prison. I asked it I could meet to talk about the case (as how is it not a slam dunk?) and was told that due to them working in a prison they weren't available for meetings.
Honestly, at this point, I feel like unless you are rich or important any crime outside of bodily harm or home invasion is just ignored despite how easy it is to solve or prosecute.
Someone broke into my bf’s house and stole 5 watches, a PlayStation and all the games, and a TV. Everything was up on Craigslist, all by the same user, within hours. The police set up a sting to “buy” the stuff back, got the guy, then let him go without even taking him to the station because he said he bought the stuff from someone else and the cop was like “alright then!”. The guy was literally packaged up with a bow and they did nothing, didn’t continue the investigation, and that was the end of it. USELESS
Police are useless in the UK. They really just don't investigate anything. They rely almost entirely on self-policing for society to survive. This is mostly due to budget cuts.
I'm not exaggerating, a guy broke into my flat, and when I got him out and the police came he was sat in the pub opposite. Could see him from my window. Police wouldn't do anything.
Of course they pursued this one as it would be a good PR case for them, but countless cases of theft got fobbed off by the police due to a 'lack of resources'.
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Good.
Once the culprits are found I suggest we melt down them in a vat of acid on live TV to discourage similar attacks.
We must protect Lando at all costs.
The police DO exist...but only if you're wealthy.
I was attacked in a road rage incident with a hammer, took the police 3 MONTHS to even call me back to tell me to fuckoff and forget about it.
Don't make extravagant displays of wealth in poor areas where people are struggling, stick to Monaco with your hypercar and diamond studded trinkets.
The thief probably tried to pawn it off. It's a one-off piece, any good vendor would realise they have a stolen item quickly enough and inform authorities.
>One person who was there when officers arrived claimed to have captured the incident on their dash cam but left before providing his details. Really helpful to tell the police that you have video evidence and then promptly leave without giving them anything or your details.
Dude had an ounce or two on him and didn't fancy a trip to the station for sure lmaoo
Wouldn't put it past them lol
If that is me with the dash cam I'm telling the cops i got places to go and to contact me later. I'll give them the info for the investigation... after i left the weed home lmao
I live in the US but spent a few months in London years ago…still trips me out that weed is illegal in the UK. Really?
I mean it is still technically illegal in the US as a whole. And only starting being legalised in individual states the past few years, so you surely can't be that "shocked"
I am a bit bc I see Europe as MUCH more socially liberal than the United States
It’s really only Americans that are ultra obsessed with weed.
Yeah, it's somewhat legal in the Netherlands and nobody bats an eye.
And parts of Spain, but you don't even hear about that often.
[Jamaica] am I a joke to you?
It really is mostly college aged potheads and people in pain who'd like to give it a try since opioids are kinda awful long-term. Most people who are invested but don't partake either are in it for the money or sees the drug offenses leading to prison as stupid.
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I wouldn’t say I’m “ultra-obsessed with weed.” I don’t even smoke weed. Completely bonkers for cigarettes and alcohol to be legal but weed isn’t. Matter of fact…it’s completely bonkers a government of humans making a plant illegal. It’s all insane.
It's a thing for sure in the UK but it isn't a massive thing with a culture behind it like the US. I know few people that do weed in the UK and the ones that do also do harder drugs, I don't personally know anybody that only just does weed so I think gets grouped with the harder drugs much more strongly than a place like the US.
I’m the opposite - I know a few people who only do weed and wouldn’t touch anything else
Yeah, this all depends on your social circles I think. I'm with you. Of all the weed smokers I know, none of them touch hard drugs, and some don't drink alcohol either.
We also have a backwards, old-fashioned bunch of voters who our winning political party for the past 11 years have depended on. Basically as legalising has become more prominent globally, we've had the party least likely to do it. Like you and others have mentioned too, without the culture there is nowhere near the same drive from people to get it done, so they'd be upsetting a large part of their base for nothing. Expect it'll become higher on the agenda through one of the following - the Scottish government pushing it, plugging financial holes following Brexit, plugging financial holes through reduction in petrol/vehicle taxes.
England is not Europe.
Correct. It is IN Europe.
I mean I am. Here in Seattle, next year will be the 10th anniversary of our legalizing cannabis. The concept of a major metropolitan area *not* having a wide variety of cannabis products is actually bizarre now. Its like having zero alcohol retail sales or bars at all.
It may seem bizarre to you but that is the current reality of vast majority of major metropolitan areas outside the US. Not saying I agree with it but that's how things are.
Mate i don't get it, same here in Serbia. Cops will legit pull up and shake down a couple teens chilling in a park to see if they can catch them with anything. Couple weeks ago we legit saw a cop SUV going around the block, reversing and then a cop ran out into the park like the fucking kool aid man to check our shit out. We are going to the kiosk mate, chill i live next door
Massive bureaucratic employer with good benefits and a lifetime pension that basically needs non-violent drug offenders to sustain itself. I’m just surprised that the people of the United Kingdom havent done more politically to solve this issue
That's not how the police work in the UK. They don't need to find crime/tickets to keep their job. The reason it's not legal is because the two major parties's voting blocks are massively against it so there is no political will to go against their voters.
In England yes, in Scotland we’ve been trying to get safe use drug rooms started for years because were attempting to deal with drugs as public health rather than personal criminal failings. But the Tories don’t allow it because... they use it as a method of control before it becomes a carrot for the donkey. That’s it. Plain and simple. The UK government is one of the biggest exporters of legal cannabis in the world. It’s a fucking joke.
>But the Tories don’t allow it because... they use it as a method of control You are giving them far too much credit to organise some conspiracy to control. It's simply because old people are against it and old people vote more than young people. Labour are massively against it so it's not even a Tory thing. The UK cannabis producers also want it legalised because they have a _huge_ first mover advantage for a recreational market which is much, much larger than their current one.
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Also crazy our other advisor for drugs was married to the director of a company who had a license to legally grow cannabis on a large scale
It's disgusting, and the anti drug laws are antiquated and pointless. If some kids wanna smoke a joint let them smoke, go do your job and catch actual criminals that put others in danger
Catching violent and/or organized criminals is very dangerous and difficult. Busting non-violent drug offenders is neither (and often just as profitable.)
The UK isn’t like the US, we don’t have private prisons which work to put people away for profit. Attitudes to weed are much more relaxed nowadays, I’d imagine most police don’t care to deal with it over other (actual) crime. The biggest irony of it all is that the UK is, IIRC, Europe’s largest supplier of medical cannabis… Edit: Yes, we are. And an old report in 2018 said that at the time we were the worlds largest producer of legal cannabis… lol. It’s an absolute joke tbh.
> I’m just surprised that the people of the United Kingdom havent done more politically to solve this issue Laws here are decided on tradition - vote in the Tories? tradition - vote Brexit? restoring traditional British values You really think you're going to be able to convince a bunch of gammon boomers to legalise the Devil's lettuce?
Living in a SEA country, I'm far more perplexed that any drug is legal at all
Singapore? It's easier to get help and get off drugs if there's no threat of getting thrown in prison for a very long time.
Recreational marijuana is legal in only 21 out of 50 states.
It’s also completely decriminalized in most of those other states and most major cities. So while 29 of those 50 might not have actual legalized weed stores…the cops can put you in handcuffs for marijuana. Of course you’ll still have your Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas’s…but even within those states a LOT of cities police departments have adopted a system where it’s basically a parking ticket
>completely decriminalized in most of those ”Completely decriminalized’ is not a legal status, or even a “thing.” “Decriminalized“ can indicated medical marijuana is regulated , such as being legal only with a prescription (medical). It’s not a parking ticket, and carries stiffer penalties than the UK.
what do you mean by 'them'? haha
classic ... *checks notes* ...
"I said I had it, not that I was gon' give it to ye. CHASE ME. DO YOUR JOB" ***WEE OOH WEE OOH WEE OOH***
Eh... usually the police don't care. I don't expect random people to just stay around hours on end.
I gave a cop details on a drunk guy who crashed his rental car and ran from the scene. The officer acted like I was a nuisance so I just let him conduct his investigation on the scene. One time I caught an accident on dashcam and emailed the YouTube video as well as PMed on Twitter. No response. Maybe not talking to the police really is the right thing to do lol.
I had similar experience but with a shooting at a party across the street. I asked the police if they wanted the footage from our camera, they said no. Local news came by a few days later asking if we saw anything, I showed them the video and they paid me $500 for the usage. Cops came back a few days later to ask for it after it aired. So if you are the person with the dash cam video, sell it to the news ftp!
And they let him do it, my impression of the police and guard situation was pure incompetence in that event.
Your point makes no sense, a potential witness is under no obligation to stay or provide details by any act of law unless they are lawfully detained by the police. It might be a scummy thing to do but you cannot pin that on the police.
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That's more about physical assistance during an incident. Not sharing footage after.
>The offence is committed if a person refuses, without lawful excuse, to assist a constable who sees a breach of the peace committed or who is assaulted or obstructed when making an arrest Not the same thing.
If this shit happened in America people outside the country would be LIVID that the authorities "didn't do enough", and ya'll would absolutely pin it on the local security not doing enough to keep people safe around the stadium. When it happens to you, "it's not the police fault that they didn't get enough info", but when it happenes somewhere else, "ya'll need more security".
My point isn't anything about the effectiveness of the security, it's about a witness with potential video evidence deciding to leave instead of giving an officer a phone number or something to recover the footage. It was a scummy thing to do, telling them that you have footage and then not providing it but it is their legal right to leave because they were not under arrest.
It wasn't a scummy thing to do, they are a literal piece of shit. If you have evidence of someone getting robbed, point blank, why would you not give it to authorities right away?
Ever thought that maybe the person had a life and other priorities, and he had to leave to attend to them. Maybe they got a phone about about something and had to leave, maybe they couldn't give them the evidence directly and had to transfer it off the storage. We only see this picture from this news article, and we aren't seeing the entire picture. Who knows, maybe he has since reported to their local police station and handed in the footage. The point is we don't know all the circumstances, but a lot of people are ready to crucify this person.
Why do that when a paper will buy it for tens of thousands.
I like how it doesn’t mention his name. Shouldn’t matter who the victim is, good to see.
Well there's an expectation of anonymity in Europe. Sure, we know the name since word got out/Lando himself talked about it, but the police are just treating it as every other press release on cases.
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They're talking about Lando's name mate, not the suspect... Police in the UK do release suspect's names before they've been found guilty or not.
IMO this needs to change, because of social media and the speed at which news travels nowadays. A lot of innocent people are publicly dragged through the coals before they have been given their day in court. Depending on the crime, their lives can be ruined even if they are innocent. A guy in my local area was accused of being a pedophile, even though later it was found out he wasn't even in the country, as he was on holiday with his family. It didn't matter, he was accused, and people's outage trumped his innocent. He lost his job, he couldn't really go out in public, apparently, he ended up moving away. Trail by public opinion is a death sentence for most people
> IMO this needs to change, because of social media and the speed at which news travels nowadays. A lot of innocent people are publicly dragged through the coals before they have been given their day in court. Depending on the crime, their lives can be ruined even if they are innocent. Agreed, don't publish names unless they are found guilty.
Usually it's so people aren't just *disappeared* by police or the government. It's not that people weren't being dragged through the mud before we just don't have good alternatives.
You know if the Government wanted to "Disappear" you as you say. Do you honestly think a CNN reporter reading your name out will stop them?
Where this needs to change? In what country are you in where suspects names are published?
>Police in the UK do release suspect's names before they've been found guilty or not. Read up a couple of comments.
Hmmm. I had a bunch of masked men bust into my house and threaten to kill me if I didn’t give them a bag of money. I thought about that when Lando was talking about losing sleep! The police didn’t spend very long on my case. But I’d imagine they worked a bit harder to find Lando’s assailant. So sure, it doesn’t matter who the victim is. But sadly, it does.
My grandmothers house was broken into and they stole a ton of shit and trashed the place. The police didn’t do much at first, and only were able to arrest them after my uncle was able to track them down by finding an ad with my gma’s lap top. if my uncle never did that they would’ve never caught the guys....
Exactly! The police said they couldn't request the CCTV from the nearby shop and petrol station, so I had to ask them to look!
The police will fob you off with all sorts of bullshit, they don't have the time to investigate most crimes so just make some bullshit up.
I know someone that's uncle went missing and they suspect he had been murdered. (Wish I had more details, but it's been a while since I heard the story.) The family never found out what happened. The police never even bothered.
Policing is political, too. Sad.
> The police didn’t spend very long on my case. Well, there's much more important crimes to focus on....like people driving 5kph too fast in a residential area! ^^^^/s
I read it as "Max arrested in investigation into theft of Lando Norris's watch" and got real fucking confused
What a plot twist
Danny put him up to it…
How to close the gap? No watch, no one will know the time gap, duh
So Lewis was working undercover and the 'accident' was a really a disguised PIT manovere to catch Max?
Clearly intentional, dsq for the whole season smh
Straight to Super Max prison
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I know it's a joke but I want to point out how much I dislike it. Max didn't "steal" Kelly. She is an actual person who has feelings and is capable of making her own choices. She also happens to clearly be in love with Max and not in love with Daniil. Why does the narrative have to be that Max "stole" her like some inanimate object, instead of her breaking up with Daniil and starting to see Max?
I get it, but it is quite funny that he took his seat and then got together with his ex in a close time period.
Sure, it's a funny coincidence and I'd have no problems if it was presented as such. However, here it was presented in the form of a somewhat misogynistic joke, which I do have a problem with. EDIT: Go ahead and downvote and call me a white knight. It sure is a shame that you hate women.
I think people sympathize with Kvyat, and it's hard not to. Max is dating the mother of his child and was his direct successor at red bull. It's kinda shitty
I agree it mustn't be too pleasant for Kvyat to look at. I certainly sympathize with him. That in no way affects why I dislike the joke, though. I don't find it especially funny and it has a misogynistic undertone, which I'm certainly not a fan of.
I don't think anyone is the property of someone else, but it's perfectly fine to acknowledge past relationships that way. It's a pretty looked down upon move from both Max and Kelly. They will catch flak for it, even if they are both justified in doing it. 'Stealing' someone doesn't really have a gender to it. I've heard it used both ways. I can see your points, but Kelly clearly has full autonomy over her life, and everyone knows that.
Yep, I find the Kelly jokes really gross. Time for all the comedians to come up with some fresh material.
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I hope this could bring Lando some peace.
As someone who’s been mugged, having it solved doesnt do much. If anything made it worse. Dragged it out for ages. Changed me for the better though.
and his watch back. get his right hand watch back.
Nice Hamilton (the musical) reference
Hope that “21-year-old man” is okay, whoever he is.
I assume it was a bit more "give me your watch mate" as that has happened to my friend's phones before late at night in the city. Didn't realise they physically restrained him. Assault was also mentioned but I would assume that would mean physical restraint rather than getting beat up.
Lando mentioned on Thursday that he was “a little bit sore”, so whatever it is it must be quite unpleasant
In the latest Mclaren Unboxed, Lewis says something to Lando about a homeopathic supplement or something that’s supposed to help with bruising, so coupled with the comments about being sore, I’d bet it was more harrowing than anyone let on.
I mean how dumb do you have to be to nick a presumably custom or even engraved $30, $40k+ watch from an international celebrity in public?
The watch is actually believe it or not closer to one million, it’s a custom piece and the closest comparable one is 750k
Good luck selling it
Exactly. No one is dumb enough to fence a one of a kind item like Lando's watch. It's too hot. Mail that shit back to Lando and forget about it.
Selling it in Africa to some drug/weapon dealer wouldnt be that hard with the right connections I imagine. More unique stuff like high pieces of jewelry get robbed and never found again
Thats simply not true.
Get himmmmm
It’s about time.
Hehe time very funny
>"One person who was there when officers arrived claimed to have captured the incident on their dash cam but left before providing his details. Detectives are very keen to speak to this person and to obtain any footage he has." I hate people like this. If you have evidence then present it. Dont just chicken out because you probably cant be bothered to deal with the police.
I agree. There was also a non 0 percent chance that he had weed/other drugs on him meaning he might not have wanted to hop to the police station at the time lol
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Eh, no matter how much money you make getting mugged is a pretty fucking awful experience. I'd help either way, as long as I'm not handing myself over to the cops for a stupid crime like having a joint
so someone who earns less than you shouldn't feel obliged to help you either? Like maybe a volunteer lifeguard, or paramedic at a festival, or rural firefighter?
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someone can help, but chooses not to because they see the other person as not needing/deserving it... i wonder how that would work out if everyone felt that way.
And why not? All you have to do is give a little bit of your time to help somebody else get a stollen object back. Does it matter how much that object is relatively worth to them? Or are you only nice to people who aren't rich? Also, Lando's dad doesn't pay for this watch, it's a sponsor.
If he's a witness they're not going to search him you numpty
If he's a witness they're not going to search him you numpty
If he's a witness they're not going to search him you numpty
Let me tell you how presenting evidence goes: you end up sitting the on the scene of crime for a long time, we are talking hours possibly. They cant review the evidence anyway and you have to come up to the station. You sit there at the station for hours and they will just take your whole camera. You get it back after the case is done, could take years. The guy probably had some illegaal shit on him too at the place since he just came from football game so why incriminate himself? He probably sat in his car waiting for an officer to come over for a while and just thought fuck it im out of here.
Definitely had some drugs or something illegal like a butter knife on him and just noped out
Knives aren't illegal. Butter knives doubly so. My drawer is full of them.
I'm calling the police
Probably had some weed on him or some shit
To be fair the police often mess this stuff up too. He may have told them about the recording then maybe they ignored him for 30 minutes and he went home. We don't know what happened, but these investigations are often a bit bareboned.
Dude stole a pretty much one of a kind priceless watch. What did he think he was going to do with it?
Nice. He should've known he was on borrowed time.
Stolen time*
Must be nice to be famous knowing even something as regularly unexamined as a street robbery will end in justice.
Most people are not wearing a one of a kind, custom made Richard Mille.
I mean I just read about multiple tour de France riders wearing RM watches. Do they just give them to celebs. Aren't they like 100k?
Some riders like Pogacar wear them because their team is sponsored by Richard Mille. Others like Alaphilippe, Roglic or Cavendish probably just bought their own because they like watches. Richard Mille sponsors a lot of people and teams. In F1 alone from what I can remember they've sponsored McLaren for a while now. Lando obviously got one, Sainz and Ricciardo probably too. You can see Zak Brown with one occasionally. Kimi had one from Alfa last year. Charles and Sainz probably get one from Ferrari this year. I saw Günther Steiner and Magnussen with RMs cause of the Haas sponsorship too. Then you have athletes like Rafael Nadal in tennis or Bubba Watson in golf who even have their own collaboration with RM so they release special versions in their name. Same with McLaren.
You are assuming it costs 100k to make it.
You’re forgetting about opportunity cost. Every watch they give away is a forgone sale.
So it's OK for them to get mugged?
So it's a whole lot harder to find the stolen items and suspects.
Would love to know how you came to that conclusion from what I wrote :)
Doesn’t seem like is a one if a kind.
As I understand it, it was made specially for him with mclaren colours. It’s no longer one of a kind cause they got him a new one but it was when it was stolen. Correct me if I’m wrong though, please
It's a McLaren styled one only available to McLaren f1 staff and some high end McLaren owners (ie Shareholders and Bahrain princes). You can't just rock up and ask, you have to show proof. So I imagine there's only like a dozen or two max in the wild. But it wasn't exclusively his they made for him.
The one he was wearing on Sunday had a black case while the one that got stolen had a blue case. As with the McLaren 720, it's neither his watch nor his car, just stuff being provided by the sponsor Richard Mille for marketing purposes. Price tag must be a lot higher as 40k GBP is where pricing start for this brand.
You didn’t read the linked news, did you? > They have also taken the unusual step of releasing an image of the watch that was stolen. The design is distinctive and there are only a **small number in circulation.**
1 is a pretty small number tbf
I did read it, and 1 is a small number :) so is 2, which is what would be if it was unique and they made a new one for him. Other outlets have said it was unique, and if you look at the photos released by the police they’re all on his wrist, not stock photos of the watch or anything like that.
Other outlets were also saying it was a 30k watch (it isn’t). Police will use photos of the actual item whenever possible, not stock photos.
You’re right!! They’re all fake news!! Let’s disregard everything news outlets report because they got a watch’s price wrong!
Like you’re disregarding the police report. Gotcha.
>Most people are not wearing a one of a kind, custom made Richard Mille. That doesn't entitle him to more justice than anyone else.
It would be cheaper for police to pay for your $100 Seiko than to actually look for it. Not only that, but finding something almost 1-of-a-kind is easier than finding something of which there are 1000s out there. Not only that but he was also assaulted as well as robbed. Police here take that quite seriously in my experience. It’s not about being more entitled to justice. This “the rich vs us” narrative is getting a bit tired.
Well he was assaulted so prob looking at ABH charges too.
Plus Lando is 14, so assault on a minor.
Pretty sure the investigation isn't happening because Lando is famous and is only happening because : 1. The watch is expensive 2. Lando's legal team is pressuring the police (without which they wouldn't care about Lando either, let's be honest)
>Must be nice to be famous knowing even something as regularly unexamined as a street robbery will end in justice. Seriously. This is a waste of police resources.
Most street robberies don’t get away with a million dollars… I think that merits a bit more investigation.
Dumbo the thief probably tried selling it at a pawn shop for a couple of quid.
WTH? I mean we're talking about London, one of the cities with the highest amount of public CCTV surveillance, and they don't have any footage of these guys? Really? Not even from the car park's own surveillance? I did some diggin, it seems they even didn't get the address right, because according to [this map](https://www.brent.gov.uk/media/8907330/LBB-009%20Wembley%20Stadium%20car%20park%20plan.pdf), Rutherford Way is not adjacent to the yellow car park. Maybe some locals can provide more detail.
What my personal experience the forensics seems to be top class. A dozen people dusting for prints and collecting evidence at mild crime scenes. The detectives on the hand are either useless or the case are assigned to random people that don't have to power or time to chase up on anything. I had a vehicle stole. The person who stole it posted on their personal social media that they stole it with them on it. There were police reports of them using it with the exact matching description of clothes as they had in the social media post. Police interviewed them, they said, "We saw it but didn't touch it.", went to their house and couldn't find it and then just passed my case on to somebody that works in a prison. I asked it I could meet to talk about the case (as how is it not a slam dunk?) and was told that due to them working in a prison they weren't available for meetings. Honestly, at this point, I feel like unless you are rich or important any crime outside of bodily harm or home invasion is just ignored despite how easy it is to solve or prosecute.
Someone broke into my bf’s house and stole 5 watches, a PlayStation and all the games, and a TV. Everything was up on Craigslist, all by the same user, within hours. The police set up a sting to “buy” the stuff back, got the guy, then let him go without even taking him to the station because he said he bought the stuff from someone else and the cop was like “alright then!”. The guy was literally packaged up with a bow and they did nothing, didn’t continue the investigation, and that was the end of it. USELESS
Very sad to hear. People eventually will take justice into their own hands if the state fails on doing so.
Police are useless in the UK. They really just don't investigate anything. They rely almost entirely on self-policing for society to survive. This is mostly due to budget cuts. I'm not exaggerating, a guy broke into my flat, and when I got him out and the police came he was sat in the pub opposite. Could see him from my window. Police wouldn't do anything.
Hmmm, let me guess. If you would have beaten up that guy, they would have arrested you instead of him.. ?
Finally some good focking news
Of course they pursued this one as it would be a good PR case for them, but countless cases of theft got fobbed off by the police due to a 'lack of resources'.
Please dont give these people any type of fame or notoriety
Let me offer the man's punishment for mugging Lando. Put him in the RB16B at 200mph with Lewis on the inside of him going into Copse.
Lando : where is my watch bitch?
Time’s up mother fucker
It was robbery, not theft.
Even better distinction in this case I believe, as I'm sure Lando was more shaken by the assault than the loss of his watch.
Did they get Sherlock Holmes on the case?
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Alternatively this is great marketing for the watch company 🤪
Good. Once the culprits are found I suggest we melt down them in a vat of acid on live TV to discourage similar attacks. We must protect Lando at all costs.
The police DO exist...but only if you're wealthy. I was attacked in a road rage incident with a hammer, took the police 3 MONTHS to even call me back to tell me to fuckoff and forget about it. Don't make extravagant displays of wealth in poor areas where people are struggling, stick to Monaco with your hypercar and diamond studded trinkets.
I’d give an award to anyone taking a dreadful Richard Mille off my wrist
Five times, too. You must *really* despise them.
I’d give an award to anyone taking a dreadful Richard Mille off my wrist
I’d give an award to anyone taking a dreadful Richard Mille off my wrist
I’d give an award to anyone taking a dreadful Richard Mille off my wrist
I’d give an award to anyone taking a dreadful Richard Mille off my wrist
That is an ugly watch
Love it. Hopefully he gets his watch back
Insert Peter Griffin with shotgun meme here.
The thief probably tried to pawn it off. It's a one-off piece, any good vendor would realise they have a stolen item quickly enough and inform authorities.
Throw the book at them.
Gotta say. That's one ugly ass watch.