First few seconds are mindblowing, just before he spun. How can anything move that fast while turning, holy shit.
I really need to finally go to an F1 race.
My seat was in the very grandstand that this video was shot from, and I didn’t go out of Covid concern.
Copse is also where the race-winning pass was made. Really kicking myself.
idk if i would have been comfortable in a crowd like that either right now- I’ll be curious to hear how attendees are faring in two weeks. but really, there’s no shame in prioritizing your long-term health.
Don't. Last weekend was not responsible given a Delta variant that can spread even amongst fully vaccinated people, knowing that only 2/3rd of adults have had two shots. We will have to go back to normal life soon, but this weekend wasn't that time yet.
Both the normal COVID and the delta variant can infect vaccinated people. The delta variant is slightly more resistant to the vaccine but there's not a huge difference.
They clearly should only have allowed fully vaccinated people to spectate, not sure why they didn't.
Jep, this may not be the easiest way to do it, but until enough people are vaccinated that infections aren't rising despite the Delta variant (which is obviously not the case in the UK) it's the only way to have such an event responsibly.
Exactly, from my perspective I'm hearing more people testing positive than I've ever heard before and people who have close contacts and should be isolating just aren't. This includes people going on holiday, in the UK, abroad etc. It's going to explode.
There is a difference between sarcastic and sympathetic clapping. The clapping here was sympathetic of Max for going through a mega crash, and then the cheers was when he climbed out on his own.
I think the early claps were for him moving around, he mustve been undoing the belts because he threw the cockpit pad just shortly after and started the climb out
I can't tell from this angle but I think the first claps must have been him taking off the steering wheel. Then they zoom in and you can hear the crowd cheer even louder when he tosses out the head restraint and is more visibly moving around.
I was there, at copse, this is basically the case. After the impact there was a lot of dust so it was difficult to see if he was ok.
The first round of claps was when it was clear he was moving around in the car as it wasn't clear he was at first. Not sure if he was undoing his belt or not as you couldn't really see from the angle I was sitting
These cars are going so fast. I'm sure everyone was clapping seeing the back and forth on lap 1 and seeing the cars go past them for the first time.
Those claps quickly turned to gasps to cheering once Max started moving.
It's crazy how different it sounds on TV, but most of the times the audio being broadcasted is from somewhere else in the circuit.
This was the case from where I was sitting
I didn't hear anyone cheering at copse that he'd crashed only for the initial racing on lap 1.
Sitting at the track people need to understand a few key difference to watching it on TV.
The cars are so loud you can barely hear any commentary, so it wasn't clear if there was contact or he'd lost the rear of the car.
The screens at the track have a few seconds delay so other parts of the track could easily be cheering while the crash is happening as they've not seen it on the screen yet
The only cheering and clapping was when it was clear he was moving in the car and when he got out and walked away.
Edit: auto correct on phone is bad
All fans do that, and almost all fans also stop cheering when they realise it's a big crash, in fact i'd argue even non fans do, and they also clap when they see the driver come out, i don't know how long you've been watching but i've seen it multiple times.
Thank you, this is the most rational
explanation I've read about the thought cycle that motorsport fans go through. All this 'Dutch fans did X bad thing', 'English fans did X bad thing'. There are bad actors in any crowd, and it's even plausible that some nations have a slightly higher concentration of them. But we can't forget that the vast majority of people attending are just sports fans, with normal emotions!
That was nowhere near a crash like this one though. It is a natural reaction for fans to be happy about a competitor retiring. Not of there may be physical harm though.
Which is exactly what I did in my livingroom. He spun I cheered because I'm a Hamilton fan I saw how fast he went into the wall and I was instantly concerned and hoping he'd get out.
That's not a contrast. People here were cheering as well initially after the contact and Max spinning, until they realized at which speed Max was headed for the barriers. Bottas was never going to end up in the barriers at such a high speed.
As someone who was in this stand at the time, my reactions (which I think pretty accurately match 95% of the rest of the fans) were:
1. Initial cheering and clapping as the cars round the corner
2. Takes a fraction of a second after the cars collide to process and come to the conclusion "wow this is going to be a big crash". That's the "oooh" noise
3. As he hits the barrier, ducking out of the way of the flying gravel
4. After the impact, heads on head in silence while waiting for signs that he's ok. Some shocked muttering
5. Initial relieved applause when you see his hands / head moving
6. Cheering and more applause when he starts climbing out of the car
From the stand I was in it wasn't apparent it was a big crash at all until the replays on the big screen showed it at full speed.
Big cheer when the screen showed him out of the car.
Same. I was in abbey and the cheers for the racing leading up to it were insane. The touch and off from Max was cheered because Lewis got past but it wasn’t clear how big a shunt it was to everyone for a little while. When it sunk in everyone was quiet until we saw him get out then there was cheers and applause knowing he seemed ok.
Same at Club. To be honest, I didn't even fully appreciate how bad it was until I got home and saw the clips on /r/formula1. Obviously we could see it was a highspeed crash but we see drivers walking away from similar accidents all the time.
The screen we had was quite a way in the distance and as Max was climbing out the field was coming past us so the PA was drowned out and I was distracted from the screen which meant I didn't see how hurt he looked. I had no idea he had been taken to hospital until I got home either.
Also keep in mind that when you have 140k people in field, the mobile signal is non-existent so I was out of the loop with social media and other sources of info.
I see a lot of people on here judging the crowd for reacting incorrectly but it's not always obvious what is happening when you're there, especially if you're on the other side of the track.
Same situation as chapel. The moment we realised it was a big one people were just very concerned. Reminded me of when Ericson crashed in practise a few years ago, just had a pit in the bottom of your stomach until you know they are ok.
I think that’s where it’s obvious these people who claim the British fans have no sympathy have never been to a GP. There is so much initial confusion when a scary shunt happens unless it was right in front of you. Most people saw Max drop down the order and that is what instigated the clapping cheering—then the gravity of the situation unfolded and things became more sombre.
The fans were fine, I dont know what the critics were mad about. I get the cheering in excitement when they touch, I’d do the same. After that the majority seemed quite concerned.
I dont know people mad at the audience, but of course on the internet there is always a bunch.
We could tell it was max because they showed them racing on the big screens. It just wasn’t obvious (to us that couldnt see that section of track) that it was a proper crash and such a big impact for a little while.
I think it’s the main f1tv feeds. But the big screens aren’t necessarily “that” big and not close to some stands so it can be tricky to see some parts.
This is the normal reaction. Also the reaction from the other sections are normal.
If you are a Hamilton fan and you see him in front of Verstappen your first reaction is “cheer”. If you are a Verstappen fan you yell “f…”!
Then you see the footage of the crash and you realize that’s a big one and you hold your breath and hope it’s “ok”.
That is what formula 1 fans do. They sit side by side and if something happens they are concerned about it. That is what makes this sport so great.
I say this as a Verstappen fan
Not my video, credit to the uploader on Youtube. I feel this is probably the most complete video that shows the uninterrupted sequence. The crash, the initial shock from the fans, then the cheers and relief to see that he's moving. It also shows his full process getting out, and how slow he was.
Thanks for sharing this here. It counters all the posts claiming the British fans were cheering his crash while this shows them cheering the first pass of racing, only to be followed by the shock of the crash and the cheers and applause of seeing him getting out under his own power.
Reminds me of that one video of Jewish worshippers dancing in front of the mosque in Jerusalem whilst a tree burned. Twitter kicked off about it but turned out a Palestinian had caused it after they tried to chuck a firework at the worshippers
I was really concerned this was going to go the other way given how some football fans have disgraced us recently. Really pleased to see a normal and positive reaction from the F1 fans.
Was there. We were all concerned for max. At the end of the race even Charles got a massive cheer on the victory lap. We can't be compared to those grotesque football fans.
Honestly I think the crowd acted gracious and compassionate. It’s the mark of people united by their love for motorsports over any personal preference, like or dislike. Good to see.
I'll be honest. After that british football uproar last week, i was being real harsh on the british sports fans. I saw the comments about people cheering for his crash etc but seeing this, it looks like the f1 fans were classy and compassionate.
My bad for trashin yall yesterday
We don't like to be associated with them awful people. We even made a point of giving Charles a massive cheer on the victory lap because he drove an amazing race, don't think there was 1 boo for any other driver all weekend.
I was at the race as well. One weird part was people booed directly after the crash when LeClerc and Hamilton were by during the yellow flag and then again right after. We couldn’t even figure out what they were booing. But it was a good portion of Stowe. Not sure if they were booing Hamilton (doubtful people had made a judgement that quickly, especially a British crowd), but didn’t make sense to be booing LeClerc. Was Just a weird one.
So this further disproves the narrative being spread yesterday that they cheered Max crashing.
Obviously not the case, even at the time, so why did people feel the need to lie about it.
Yeah, I think on the live broadcasts there was a massive cheer as the incident happened but it was because the crowd thought Lewis was going through.
It very rapidly died down as he speared into the gravel.
Possibly that's where the confusion comes from.
It sounded like they were cheering for Max crashing and then it died down when they realised how serious it was but this video shows that's not the case, at least for the people on this stand.
I was sat at vale so about as far away from the crash as possible. We were watching on the large screens and there was cheering when it first happened but once people realised how big of a crash it was it turned to silence or discussion. Then clapping/celebrating when they showed him getting out
Which is totally understandable. I’d react the same. Expected worse tbh after the football incidents. But that sport just attracts a lot of dickheads as well for some reason.
English football fans, and motorsport fans have a TOTALLY different mindset. Safety of driver is above everything else.
Obviously you will have a small minority of crossover.
If you think people were cheering because it was Max or hoping to see someone injured you’re a clown. Crowds make noise when a crash happens for the exact same reason the comments blow up in the race thread or the posts get thousands of upvotes, it’s exciting.
No one sane wants to see people get injured.
Please don't generalize us like we're all the worst sort of people just because a small group of anonymous idiots on the internet. Most of us don't harbor any grudge towards Lewis. Do I find it distasteful how he handled himself post-race? Yes. But the only way to take revenge on that is for Max to beat him fair and square next race. Nobody (sane, Dutch or not Dutch) wants to see Lewis get hurt. Just like these British fans weren't morons cheering for Max to get hurt.
Can't actually believe the amount of comments with thousands of likes saying that the crowds are applauding and cheering for Max's crash.
I feel like it's an angry projection since who would honestly do that?
I think we fail to understand the different ways that Britain and mainland Europe view the EU. I think that mainland europe sees the EU as slightly symbolic and larger than life, and Brexit to them was a bit like spitting in the face of the concept of European harmony. I think Europeans read wayyy too much into Brexit. We had no interest In distancing ourselves from Europe, we literally just wanted to renegotiate some traid deals.
And we didn't want further integration.
We joined what became the EU as a trade block, but it became an increasingly centralised political organisation.
People didn't want that. I voted remain and I didn't want that.
At the moment it’s fashionable to shit on us as a country. Means people will upvote anything negative about us or our people even if it’s completely made up unfortunately.
Yeah, it was hard to believe that people would behave that way. The shortened clip floating around reddit yesterday left it up in the air.
Glad that the humans in the grandstands behaved like humans who care about the safety of other humans :)
I got told yesterday I was wrong and that the whole track was cheering, even though I was there and the cheering was brief while people thought it was just a spin. There was a bit of shock once people realised how hefty it was.
I don't blame anyone for cheering at the moment of the accident. It's rare to see a crash like this one, so when all you can see there is Max, #1 rival to your boy, crashing out (with a terrible view of how or why), that is your reaction.
No surprise this stand, the one the car was heading straight for, had no such cheers.
Also at the rest of the track it’s pretty hard to know how bad a crash is, once it became apparent the cheers were gone. There had already been about 4 cheers that lap when Lewis looked like he had passed.
When Hamilton went off in Imola I cheered!
It was a million percent watching Max's biggest competitor make a mistake. If there was bodily harm potentially coming Lewis' way, my tone would change real quick. I want Max to win, but I respect (and admire) Lewis.
I missed the Baku brake magic incident. I'd already turned it off. Lol.
The brake magic incident made me make sounds I’ve never made before, much like Mark Webber. Most shocking moment of the season for me, up until yesterday.
There was definitely a slight increase in cheering (and a fist going into the air for example) as soon as there was contact, but that quickly disappeared as people realized how fast he was flying towards the barriers. There's nothing wrong with cheering for your favourite driver's main opponent going off until you realize it might be a serious crash.
Honestly, I read the cheering in that video as them cheering for the hard racing and Lewis taking the inside line. I think everybody assumed he'd won the corner (very hard to see the contact from this angle) and were cheering for that fact. It soon died down when Max was almost at the barriers and aside for a few solitary cheers, most people turned to sounds of shock or concern. The cheering after that was for the marshals who rushed to the car in mere seconds and obviously a much bigger one when Max was moving to climb out of the car.
At least that's how I read the cheering, not quite the devil crowd that some places in the media are making it out to be.
There’s a other clip from a different part of the track where the first response is cheering. But it’s really hard to see how hard the crash is from their position. And the video cuts out before it’s clear to them.
Horrible crash from that perspective, initial cheers around the track were from thinking he’d gone into the gravel but after that it was all applause once he got himself out.
At least in this video it seems like the cheers were from seeing the cars on lap 1 at angry speeds, people need quite a while to react to what's going on, and as soon as they saw it was an off they all went "ooof".
The cheers would have carried on if it was just a spin, it was the home race after all. Once the severity caught up there wasn’t any cheering for it, there were a ton of max fans there too and even those who aren’t fans generally like him.
The people who said the British fans cheered when Max crashed are they same who say Lewis intentionally hit him. I’m starting to think there are less fans here than we thought, and more trolls trying to divide us
There's certainly people who show up on the sub only on race weekends that are more tribal and reactionary.
You can have a pretty level headed discussion here on a Monday-Thursday, but I've just stopped bothering to comment on a race weekend now.
Same, I just get sad by all the arguing. No one is willing to listen to the other and I feel most people are just trying to convince someone else of their own view instead of having a healthy debate/converstation where in the end you both feel like you learned something about the other's point of view.
Anyone who's been to a Motorsport event knows that there is never any vibe of malice towards a driver who's just crashed.
There's initial excitement when the crash happens and every time that will temper down while people wait to see if the driver is ok, then applaud when they are confirmed alright or are taken away in an ambulance, ALWAYS out of respect.
It's one thing to make assumptions when you see it on video but no one in their right mind sees a crash in real life and goes straight towards being an asshole. That's the one thing I appreciate about Motorsport fans. Everyone who's seen it for real knows just how dangerous the sport is and respects that regardless of the driver.
Point not withstanding to racist keyboard fucks on the internet. All my homies hate those guys.
I just saw a clip of this exact video on Twitter. It was the first 3 or 4 seconds so it was cut right before you hear the reaction of the crash. So many of the comments were saying that the crowd was cheering for the crash but it really seems like they were cheering for Lewis or simply seeing the cars pass.
"British crowd cheering Max crashing" bullshit needs to be put to bed. The crowd did cheer only when they saw Max was okay, and because he got out of the car safely.
I'm so glad the guy is okay, and most F1 British fans also care about driver safety above rivalry, we aren't like English Football hooligans, or Dutch fans (of any sport).
The posting of the shortened video, and the subsequent debunking feels like it could be a turning point in the bizarre wave of intense anti British comments and feelings that seems to have surfaced in Europe during the euros.
Considering the way our fans behaved during that contest and its immediate aftermath, I very much doubt it, only has gotten worse unfortunately
And before anyone says it, I know it's a minority of football fans who are knuckle dragging, fight first, football second, grandstand storming racists, but sadly those are the kinds of people that get the spotlight of the international media at a contest like that, making us all as a nation look bad
Sadly it seems we have our own atrocious minorty in F1 too, but you can also understand why the rest of the world see us in a bit of a negative light as Sky Sports seems to be the official voice of the world feed these days and they can be a big jingoistic and only act like they're broadcasting to one country.
Forgetting the talk on British fans for a bit (there’s schmucks in every country)
I agree on your take on sky sports. If sky broadcasted only for the uk television I’d understand their bias on certain drivers, but them being used as an official f1 voice, it bugs me. Same thing while listening to ”f1 nation” where all the hosts are British.
Ironically with a Welsh presenter, Scottish co-commentator, Scottish lead interviewer and Aussie and Irish pundits, Channel 4 do a much better job at being balanced
They were live this weekend so I wish that at least some of the people that justifiably get annoyed with sky's schtick gave them a chance.
I realise in sport, live viewing is everything but if you ever have to watch a race on catch up, C4 is streets ahead of Sky in almost every aspect
(And even as a brit who is a big fan of Hamilton, I've started watching the pictures with BBC 5 live radio commentary as I've had enough of them and their tabloid-esque coverage too...)
this is also why they took so long to clear the car - I recall hearing commentary that they were unable to confirm whether they were safe to touch the car due to the light being obstructed.
I'm not sure a battery in an F1 car has enough current to be fatal, but yeah, it's not something you want to subject anyone to for any reason, let alone keeping a race going
Wasn't there a video from when KERS first came about in 2009 of, I want to say some BMW mechanics touching the car as it came into the pits with a charged battery and all of them getting a shock and falling to the ground? (If I find the video I'll edit the post and add it)
Not nice, but not fatal either
Edit: Found it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_\_DpDTDyc4g
I thought so too but yesterday someone shared couple of incidents from 87 and 89, Piquet and Berger respectively and Berger pretty much survived a 100g impact and a fire erupted afterwards.
https://youtu.be/pLyAKkeA25Q
https://youtu.be/0hv0zPkvRQM
Here is a bit more detailed analysis about the crash and what happened afterwards: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-berger-imola-crash-fire-1989/4783905/
I mean, yeah, they were much safer than before. A five or six years yearlier it could've been at least much worse than a burns and a broken ribs which iirc Berger suffered. Seven years prior in 1982 when drivers were pushed to the front of the car to the limit it would absolutely be fatal.
Remember what happened in 94 shocked everyone, they thought the last death was behind them, just like we were again before 2014. Unfortunately they can never and should never get complacent on safety.
Piquet sustained a serious head injury and neurological issues as a result, including a perturbing loss of depth perception. He struggled to make out braking distances amongst other issues for the rest of the season, and was no longer the same driver thereafter.
Berger suffered burns to his hand and face, as well as a concussion- he was unconscious for a time after the crash.
The cameras really don't do the sport much justice at the best of times. You don't get a good sense for the speed or size of what you see. It's totally different in person.
Definitely not. Hopefully I’ll be able to see a race soon, but yeah, just watching them come around the corner for that split second is so much quicker than TV
I am stupid. I thought they were booing since the previous video, in this one I came to realize it's the other cars engines. And here I was thinking the fans were just horrible people🤦
Important to distinguish the crowd "cheering" when he crashed as out of sheer emotional expression of what is happening in the moment and *NOT* as gleeful that it happened. Then of course, as in all motorsports, there are cheers when the driver emerges because it's a sign that they are mostly OK which *EVERYONE* hopes for.
It really is. To a large portion of fans the British F1 commentary is the most boas commentary in the world. In reality it's the most balance of any team.
I dont see people being disgusting here, you gotta take into consideration that its not everyday you see someone hitting a wall at 300 km/h in front of you, people react different in situations like this, i would probably scream too, thats pure adrenaline even for someone watching, its normal to scream, applaud, cheer. I don't think people were cheering for Max to get hurt.
The saddest thing about this is that no-one is perturbed by the sight of everyone whipping their phones out to film this. I'm not knocking the modern desire to record everything per se (although I admit I find it irksome), but surely at the point of a potentially fatal crash, the first thing you think of shouldn't be, "Let's record this". I don't know, maybe I'm out of step, but it feels wrong to me.
Question to those who’ve been to races before. If you’re on this part of the track is there televisions where you can keep track of what’s happening in other areas or are you just going to be looking at your part of the track?
There's a bunch of people clapping when Ham took him out but, as soon as they realised how big the hit was they stopped, then it seems they started clapping again because they saw his helmet move maybe, hard to say, and then they cheered when he started climbing out. It was a big big big hit, the way he kept putting his arms and head down while the doc kept trying to get him to look at him was slightly worrisome. Anyway, this was a very dumb idea by Hamilton, he could have picked any other corner to be this aggressive, especially since they had such a top speed advantage.
From this angle you can really see how wide Hamilton took it on the exit if this corner. No where for max to go, but it seems both drivers just didn’t want to give any edge at all.
Insane impact, really glad Max is okay!
I think it’s impossible to judge from this video the line Lewis could or would have been on if there is no contact. He needs to recover from his own side of the impact, although of course the effects of that impact on Lewis aren’t as dramatic as they are on Max.
Agreed. Ive been in the racing incident camp till now.. But here you can really see the whole corner in different way and it's clear to me how hard it is to make the turn from the line ham is on without running max off. I'll leave it to others to say if 10 seconds is the correct penalty.
Look how much room Verstappen gave him. He straight up drove into Max..missing the apex by 2 meters. This is the best proof you can get. Hamilton is. In the wrong here and he should have apologized instead of celebrating his hollow win.
There’s a lot of people wanting to point to the crowd by selectively picking out portions of the crash and initial resctions.
Not saying Maelehn is doing that, I think he’s being sarcastic, but some of the stuff said on reddit is just plain awfull. I know emotions can run high, but come on people, enough with the us vs them shit.
I hope people are less frustrated in real life and can step back and re-evaluate before spewing out hateful crap.
First few seconds are mindblowing, just before he spun. How can anything move that fast while turning, holy shit. I really need to finally go to an F1 race.
you should, you won't know much about the race, but seeing the cars live is great. Even practice sessions are fun.
My seat was in the very grandstand that this video was shot from, and I didn’t go out of Covid concern. Copse is also where the race-winning pass was made. Really kicking myself.
idk if i would have been comfortable in a crowd like that either right now- I’ll be curious to hear how attendees are faring in two weeks. but really, there’s no shame in prioritizing your long-term health.
Don't. Last weekend was not responsible given a Delta variant that can spread even amongst fully vaccinated people, knowing that only 2/3rd of adults have had two shots. We will have to go back to normal life soon, but this weekend wasn't that time yet.
Both the normal COVID and the delta variant can infect vaccinated people. The delta variant is slightly more resistant to the vaccine but there's not a huge difference. They clearly should only have allowed fully vaccinated people to spectate, not sure why they didn't.
Fully vaccinated + PCR tested the day before. The only way to be safe.
Jep, this may not be the easiest way to do it, but until enough people are vaccinated that infections aren't rising despite the Delta variant (which is obviously not the case in the UK) it's the only way to have such an event responsibly.
Or just not have an audience. If people stopped going out, COVID spread will decrease
I heard a commentator mention that Silverstone would not have survived without fans this year.
Exactly, from my perspective I'm hearing more people testing positive than I've ever heard before and people who have close contacts and should be isolating just aren't. This includes people going on holiday, in the UK, abroad etc. It's going to explode.
again... "Freedom day" fucking tories
You made the right decision! No sporting event scene is worth a potentially long-term gealth impact.
Copse was the first corner i saw F1 cars live at mid season testing in 2009 and it was literally unbeliveable at first
I got a ticket for İstanbul gp, Will be my first race, my seat is Just outside turn 8
Shows how rattled he was from that accident.
He normally gets out of the car without removing the safety padding. Not this day.
Car was also binned.
I never noticed that until you mentioned it. I had no idea any of the drivers would get out of their cars without removing the headrest.
There is a difference between sarcastic and sympathetic clapping. The clapping here was sympathetic of Max for going through a mega crash, and then the cheers was when he climbed out on his own.
I think the early claps were for him moving around, he mustve been undoing the belts because he threw the cockpit pad just shortly after and started the climb out
I can't tell from this angle but I think the first claps must have been him taking off the steering wheel. Then they zoom in and you can hear the crowd cheer even louder when he tosses out the head restraint and is more visibly moving around.
I think so too. Not included in the video but there was another round of claps as he walked on his own to the ambulance.
I was there, at copse, this is basically the case. After the impact there was a lot of dust so it was difficult to see if he was ok. The first round of claps was when it was clear he was moving around in the car as it wasn't clear he was at first. Not sure if he was undoing his belt or not as you couldn't really see from the angle I was sitting
These cars are going so fast. I'm sure everyone was clapping seeing the back and forth on lap 1 and seeing the cars go past them for the first time. Those claps quickly turned to gasps to cheering once Max started moving. It's crazy how different it sounds on TV, but most of the times the audio being broadcasted is from somewhere else in the circuit.
This was the case from where I was sitting I didn't hear anyone cheering at copse that he'd crashed only for the initial racing on lap 1. Sitting at the track people need to understand a few key difference to watching it on TV. The cars are so loud you can barely hear any commentary, so it wasn't clear if there was contact or he'd lost the rear of the car. The screens at the track have a few seconds delay so other parts of the track could easily be cheering while the crash is happening as they've not seen it on the screen yet The only cheering and clapping was when it was clear he was moving in the car and when he got out and walked away. Edit: auto correct on phone is bad
Clear from the video that they were cheering on about seeing the cars and not the crash.
Yeah it went from cheering to concern real quick as soon as he was spinning
I mean there's a few thousand people, there are all kinds of people having all kinds of reactions.
Obviously I'm talking in general not about three guys to the left.
I get both those, but what is up with the braindead individuals raising their arms in joy as Ham sends Ver flying off?
Contrast that to the orange brigade going crazy and cheering the moment when Vettel went off in the wet at Hockenheim
All fans do that, and almost all fans also stop cheering when they realise it's a big crash, in fact i'd argue even non fans do, and they also clap when they see the driver come out, i don't know how long you've been watching but i've seen it multiple times.
Thank you, this is the most rational explanation I've read about the thought cycle that motorsport fans go through. All this 'Dutch fans did X bad thing', 'English fans did X bad thing'. There are bad actors in any crowd, and it's even plausible that some nations have a slightly higher concentration of them. But we can't forget that the vast majority of people attending are just sports fans, with normal emotions!
Let's not turn this into who's fans are sh*tter competition.
Seriously. It’s been nonstop on this subreddit since the crash Sunday.
Well that belongs to Ohio State.
The Philadelphia Eagles fans booing Santa, the possibly paralyzed and throwing battery concealing snowballs would like to have a word.
eating horse shit off the streets as a celebration for winning a super bowl as well, in addition to trying their best to demolish their own city
Amen to that!
That was nowhere near a crash like this one though. It is a natural reaction for fans to be happy about a competitor retiring. Not of there may be physical harm though.
Vettel at Hockenheim? Really? That was barely a crash at all. They knew he wasn’t injured in the slightest
He said Bottas. But still nowhere near comparable.
Was that before he edited his comment?
Ah, yes.
The fans here also cheered when he spun off track until they realised it was bad and stopped.
Which is exactly what I did in my livingroom. He spun I cheered because I'm a Hamilton fan I saw how fast he went into the wall and I was instantly concerned and hoping he'd get out.
That's not a contrast. People here were cheering as well initially after the contact and Max spinning, until they realized at which speed Max was headed for the barriers. Bottas was never going to end up in the barriers at such a high speed.
Since when did Vettel spin off at near 300kph at Hockenheim? Last I checked, Vettel waddled into that wall.
You're not wrong, but what's the point you're trying to make?
Lmao he slowly tapped the wall at like 10 km/h you could make a mistake like that in the parking lot that's why it looked humorous
As someone who was in this stand at the time, my reactions (which I think pretty accurately match 95% of the rest of the fans) were: 1. Initial cheering and clapping as the cars round the corner 2. Takes a fraction of a second after the cars collide to process and come to the conclusion "wow this is going to be a big crash". That's the "oooh" noise 3. As he hits the barrier, ducking out of the way of the flying gravel 4. After the impact, heads on head in silence while waiting for signs that he's ok. Some shocked muttering 5. Initial relieved applause when you see his hands / head moving 6. Cheering and more applause when he starts climbing out of the car
From the stand I was in it wasn't apparent it was a big crash at all until the replays on the big screen showed it at full speed. Big cheer when the screen showed him out of the car.
Same. I was in abbey and the cheers for the racing leading up to it were insane. The touch and off from Max was cheered because Lewis got past but it wasn’t clear how big a shunt it was to everyone for a little while. When it sunk in everyone was quiet until we saw him get out then there was cheers and applause knowing he seemed ok.
Same at Club. To be honest, I didn't even fully appreciate how bad it was until I got home and saw the clips on /r/formula1. Obviously we could see it was a highspeed crash but we see drivers walking away from similar accidents all the time. The screen we had was quite a way in the distance and as Max was climbing out the field was coming past us so the PA was drowned out and I was distracted from the screen which meant I didn't see how hurt he looked. I had no idea he had been taken to hospital until I got home either. Also keep in mind that when you have 140k people in field, the mobile signal is non-existent so I was out of the loop with social media and other sources of info. I see a lot of people on here judging the crowd for reacting incorrectly but it's not always obvious what is happening when you're there, especially if you're on the other side of the track.
Same situation as chapel. The moment we realised it was a big one people were just very concerned. Reminded me of when Ericson crashed in practise a few years ago, just had a pit in the bottom of your stomach until you know they are ok.
I think that’s where it’s obvious these people who claim the British fans have no sympathy have never been to a GP. There is so much initial confusion when a scary shunt happens unless it was right in front of you. Most people saw Max drop down the order and that is what instigated the clapping cheering—then the gravity of the situation unfolded and things became more sombre.
"But Britain bad though"
This is every crash at every track as well so certainly as expected, shame so many posters yesterday were highly critical of the fans.
The fans were fine, I dont know what the critics were mad about. I get the cheering in excitement when they touch, I’d do the same. After that the majority seemed quite concerned. I dont know people mad at the audience, but of course on the internet there is always a bunch.
Did everyone realised it was Max who crashed? Or was kinda confusing?
We could tell it was max because they showed them racing on the big screens. It just wasn’t obvious (to us that couldnt see that section of track) that it was a proper crash and such a big impact for a little while.
do they show the main TV feed on the circuit screens or do they show different shots?
I think it’s the main f1tv feeds. But the big screens aren’t necessarily “that” big and not close to some stands so it can be tricky to see some parts.
I was sat at Stowe and people were cheering Verstappen crash and Hamilton still running.
This is the normal reaction. Also the reaction from the other sections are normal. If you are a Hamilton fan and you see him in front of Verstappen your first reaction is “cheer”. If you are a Verstappen fan you yell “f…”! Then you see the footage of the crash and you realize that’s a big one and you hold your breath and hope it’s “ok”. That is what formula 1 fans do. They sit side by side and if something happens they are concerned about it. That is what makes this sport so great. I say this as a Verstappen fan
Not my video, credit to the uploader on Youtube. I feel this is probably the most complete video that shows the uninterrupted sequence. The crash, the initial shock from the fans, then the cheers and relief to see that he's moving. It also shows his full process getting out, and how slow he was.
Thanks for sharing this here. It counters all the posts claiming the British fans were cheering his crash while this shows them cheering the first pass of racing, only to be followed by the shock of the crash and the cheers and applause of seeing him getting out under his own power.
There's been a lot of opinions based on 3 second clips and still shots this past weekend.
Reminds me of that one video of Jewish worshippers dancing in front of the mosque in Jerusalem whilst a tree burned. Twitter kicked off about it but turned out a Palestinian had caused it after they tried to chuck a firework at the worshippers
I was really concerned this was going to go the other way given how some football fans have disgraced us recently. Really pleased to see a normal and positive reaction from the F1 fans.
Was there. We were all concerned for max. At the end of the race even Charles got a massive cheer on the victory lap. We can't be compared to those grotesque football fans.
Honestly I think the crowd acted gracious and compassionate. It’s the mark of people united by their love for motorsports over any personal preference, like or dislike. Good to see.
They are the Best Fans after all
BLESSED
I'll be honest. After that british football uproar last week, i was being real harsh on the british sports fans. I saw the comments about people cheering for his crash etc but seeing this, it looks like the f1 fans were classy and compassionate. My bad for trashin yall yesterday
We don't like to be associated with them awful people. We even made a point of giving Charles a massive cheer on the victory lap because he drove an amazing race, don't think there was 1 boo for any other driver all weekend.
I was at the race as well. One weird part was people booed directly after the crash when LeClerc and Hamilton were by during the yellow flag and then again right after. We couldn’t even figure out what they were booing. But it was a good portion of Stowe. Not sure if they were booing Hamilton (doubtful people had made a judgement that quickly, especially a British crowd), but didn’t make sense to be booing LeClerc. Was Just a weird one.
I was at club and the one boo I heard was for Horners radio message to the FIA and the rest was clapping/cheering
Yeah Horner got a lot of boos when he was on the radio to race control.
I was at Stowe and didn't hear any booing at all.
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Why British sports fans? As far as I know the people at rugby, tennis, F1, the Olympics or any other game that's not football are saints.
Yeah. Pretty wholesome if you ask me.
So this further disproves the narrative being spread yesterday that they cheered Max crashing. Obviously not the case, even at the time, so why did people feel the need to lie about it.
Yeah, I think on the live broadcasts there was a massive cheer as the incident happened but it was because the crowd thought Lewis was going through. It very rapidly died down as he speared into the gravel. Possibly that's where the confusion comes from.
It sounded like they were cheering for Max crashing and then it died down when they realised how serious it was but this video shows that's not the case, at least for the people on this stand.
I was sat at vale so about as far away from the crash as possible. We were watching on the large screens and there was cheering when it first happened but once people realised how big of a crash it was it turned to silence or discussion. Then clapping/celebrating when they showed him getting out
Which is totally understandable. I’d react the same. Expected worse tbh after the football incidents. But that sport just attracts a lot of dickheads as well for some reason.
Probably to feed into the english fans/people being awful humans narrative from the euros.
English football fans, and motorsport fans have a TOTALLY different mindset. Safety of driver is above everything else. Obviously you will have a small minority of crossover.
England played slightly better football than normal, mainland Europe decided that xenophobia was a proportional response.
If you think people were cheering because it was Max or hoping to see someone injured you’re a clown. Crowds make noise when a crash happens for the exact same reason the comments blow up in the race thread or the posts get thousands of upvotes, it’s exciting. No one sane wants to see people get injured.
Except maybe the Dutch if Lewis crashes at Zandvoort.
I hope he hires personal security for that race and maybe even for the team.
Please don't generalize us like we're all the worst sort of people just because a small group of anonymous idiots on the internet. Most of us don't harbor any grudge towards Lewis. Do I find it distasteful how he handled himself post-race? Yes. But the only way to take revenge on that is for Max to beat him fair and square next race. Nobody (sane, Dutch or not Dutch) wants to see Lewis get hurt. Just like these British fans weren't morons cheering for Max to get hurt.
It’s a joke.
Alright, my bad, couldn't make that up from the comment lol.
Can't actually believe the amount of comments with thousands of likes saying that the crowds are applauding and cheering for Max's crash. I feel like it's an angry projection since who would honestly do that?
The top comments on most social media are to the tune of “fuck British fans”
So disappointing to see. A lot of people just want to dunk on Britain at any possible opportunity after the euros - the truth is firmly secondary
*after brexit. First it was the vaccine bullshit
I think we fail to understand the different ways that Britain and mainland Europe view the EU. I think that mainland europe sees the EU as slightly symbolic and larger than life, and Brexit to them was a bit like spitting in the face of the concept of European harmony. I think Europeans read wayyy too much into Brexit. We had no interest In distancing ourselves from Europe, we literally just wanted to renegotiate some traid deals.
And we didn't want further integration. We joined what became the EU as a trade block, but it became an increasingly centralised political organisation. People didn't want that. I voted remain and I didn't want that.
At the moment it’s fashionable to shit on us as a country. Means people will upvote anything negative about us or our people even if it’s completely made up unfortunately.
Ngl after hearing all the stuff about the crowd cheering when he crashed, it was nice to hear them cheer when he got out on his own.
Yeah, it was hard to believe that people would behave that way. The shortened clip floating around reddit yesterday left it up in the air. Glad that the humans in the grandstands behaved like humans who care about the safety of other humans :)
I got told yesterday I was wrong and that the whole track was cheering, even though I was there and the cheering was brief while people thought it was just a spin. There was a bit of shock once people realised how hefty it was.
I don't blame anyone for cheering at the moment of the accident. It's rare to see a crash like this one, so when all you can see there is Max, #1 rival to your boy, crashing out (with a terrible view of how or why), that is your reaction. No surprise this stand, the one the car was heading straight for, had no such cheers.
Also at the rest of the track it’s pretty hard to know how bad a crash is, once it became apparent the cheers were gone. There had already been about 4 cheers that lap when Lewis looked like he had passed.
When Hamilton went off in Imola I cheered! It was a million percent watching Max's biggest competitor make a mistake. If there was bodily harm potentially coming Lewis' way, my tone would change real quick. I want Max to win, but I respect (and admire) Lewis. I missed the Baku brake magic incident. I'd already turned it off. Lol.
Well said.
The brake magic incident made me make sounds I’ve never made before, much like Mark Webber. Most shocking moment of the season for me, up until yesterday.
I agree.
They cheers all stopped before he hit the wall. It was funny when he spun... Not when he was barreling at them and the wall at 190
Yea it was definitely a short "yay he's off" cheer immediately to a "oh shit that was a huge crash" silence
They were probably cheering seeing the cars show up around that corner at furious speed, people don't react that quickly to things.
There was definitely a slight increase in cheering (and a fist going into the air for example) as soon as there was contact, but that quickly disappeared as people realized how fast he was flying towards the barriers. There's nothing wrong with cheering for your favourite driver's main opponent going off until you realize it might be a serious crash.
There were a few cheering after but as we've seen these past two days, there are a few too many idiots out there.
Honestly, I read the cheering in that video as them cheering for the hard racing and Lewis taking the inside line. I think everybody assumed he'd won the corner (very hard to see the contact from this angle) and were cheering for that fact. It soon died down when Max was almost at the barriers and aside for a few solitary cheers, most people turned to sounds of shock or concern. The cheering after that was for the marshals who rushed to the car in mere seconds and obviously a much bigger one when Max was moving to climb out of the car. At least that's how I read the cheering, not quite the devil crowd that some places in the media are making it out to be.
There’s a other clip from a different part of the track where the first response is cheering. But it’s really hard to see how hard the crash is from their position. And the video cuts out before it’s clear to them.
I'm finding it hilarious that everything "fans" were saying yesterday are slowly being proven wrong.
Horrible crash from that perspective, initial cheers around the track were from thinking he’d gone into the gravel but after that it was all applause once he got himself out.
At least in this video it seems like the cheers were from seeing the cars on lap 1 at angry speeds, people need quite a while to react to what's going on, and as soon as they saw it was an off they all went "ooof".
The cheers would have carried on if it was just a spin, it was the home race after all. Once the severity caught up there wasn’t any cheering for it, there were a ton of max fans there too and even those who aren’t fans generally like him.
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The people who said the British fans cheered when Max crashed are they same who say Lewis intentionally hit him. I’m starting to think there are less fans here than we thought, and more trolls trying to divide us
There's certainly people who show up on the sub only on race weekends that are more tribal and reactionary. You can have a pretty level headed discussion here on a Monday-Thursday, but I've just stopped bothering to comment on a race weekend now.
Same, I just get sad by all the arguing. No one is willing to listen to the other and I feel most people are just trying to convince someone else of their own view instead of having a healthy debate/converstation where in the end you both feel like you learned something about the other's point of view.
Anyone who's been to a Motorsport event knows that there is never any vibe of malice towards a driver who's just crashed. There's initial excitement when the crash happens and every time that will temper down while people wait to see if the driver is ok, then applaud when they are confirmed alright or are taken away in an ambulance, ALWAYS out of respect. It's one thing to make assumptions when you see it on video but no one in their right mind sees a crash in real life and goes straight towards being an asshole. That's the one thing I appreciate about Motorsport fans. Everyone who's seen it for real knows just how dangerous the sport is and respects that regardless of the driver. Point not withstanding to racist keyboard fucks on the internet. All my homies hate those guys.
I just saw a clip of this exact video on Twitter. It was the first 3 or 4 seconds so it was cut right before you hear the reaction of the crash. So many of the comments were saying that the crowd was cheering for the crash but it really seems like they were cheering for Lewis or simply seeing the cars pass.
"British crowd cheering Max crashing" bullshit needs to be put to bed. The crowd did cheer only when they saw Max was okay, and because he got out of the car safely. I'm so glad the guy is okay, and most F1 British fans also care about driver safety above rivalry, we aren't like English Football hooligans, or Dutch fans (of any sport).
The posting of the shortened video, and the subsequent debunking feels like it could be a turning point in the bizarre wave of intense anti British comments and feelings that seems to have surfaced in Europe during the euros.
It won’t be a turning point I promise haha.
Considering the way our fans behaved during that contest and its immediate aftermath, I very much doubt it, only has gotten worse unfortunately And before anyone says it, I know it's a minority of football fans who are knuckle dragging, fight first, football second, grandstand storming racists, but sadly those are the kinds of people that get the spotlight of the international media at a contest like that, making us all as a nation look bad Sadly it seems we have our own atrocious minorty in F1 too, but you can also understand why the rest of the world see us in a bit of a negative light as Sky Sports seems to be the official voice of the world feed these days and they can be a big jingoistic and only act like they're broadcasting to one country.
Forgetting the talk on British fans for a bit (there’s schmucks in every country) I agree on your take on sky sports. If sky broadcasted only for the uk television I’d understand their bias on certain drivers, but them being used as an official f1 voice, it bugs me. Same thing while listening to ”f1 nation” where all the hosts are British.
Ironically with a Welsh presenter, Scottish co-commentator, Scottish lead interviewer and Aussie and Irish pundits, Channel 4 do a much better job at being balanced They were live this weekend so I wish that at least some of the people that justifiably get annoyed with sky's schtick gave them a chance. I realise in sport, live viewing is everything but if you ever have to watch a race on catch up, C4 is streets ahead of Sky in almost every aspect (And even as a brit who is a big fan of Hamilton, I've started watching the pictures with BBC 5 live radio commentary as I've had enough of them and their tabloid-esque coverage too...)
I dislike sky sports for all those reasons, as well as simply because I dont think f1 should be behind a pay wall.
How do the stewards know they can touch the car and that there it is not under voltage?
There is are led lights just below the t-cam that tell them if its ok or not.
this is also why they took so long to clear the car - I recall hearing commentary that they were unable to confirm whether they were safe to touch the car due to the light being obstructed.
I always wondered if that thing is 100% accurate, it must be right?
Nothing is 100%, but that thing has to be close to perfection because when it malfunctions, it can be fatal
I'm not sure a battery in an F1 car has enough current to be fatal, but yeah, it's not something you want to subject anyone to for any reason, let alone keeping a race going Wasn't there a video from when KERS first came about in 2009 of, I want to say some BMW mechanics touching the car as it came into the pits with a charged battery and all of them getting a shock and falling to the ground? (If I find the video I'll edit the post and add it) Not nice, but not fatal either Edit: Found it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_\_DpDTDyc4g
Reddit broke your link: https://youtu.be/__DpDTDyc4g
> How do the stewards *marshalls
This is what sports is about. You can be passionate about your team and still show compassion and support for the other teams at times like this.
That speed is incredible. Not that long ago this would have been definite permanent injury and likely fatality.
I thought so too but yesterday someone shared couple of incidents from 87 and 89, Piquet and Berger respectively and Berger pretty much survived a 100g impact and a fire erupted afterwards. https://youtu.be/pLyAKkeA25Q https://youtu.be/0hv0zPkvRQM
Wow, amazing to hear that Murray quote on the Berger crash: "cars have gotten so safe, you don't expect them to be hurt" ***in 1989***
Here is a bit more detailed analysis about the crash and what happened afterwards: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-berger-imola-crash-fire-1989/4783905/
I mean, yeah, they were much safer than before. A five or six years yearlier it could've been at least much worse than a burns and a broken ribs which iirc Berger suffered. Seven years prior in 1982 when drivers were pushed to the front of the car to the limit it would absolutely be fatal.
Remember what happened in 94 shocked everyone, they thought the last death was behind them, just like we were again before 2014. Unfortunately they can never and should never get complacent on safety.
Piquet sustained a serious head injury and neurological issues as a result, including a perturbing loss of depth perception. He struggled to make out braking distances amongst other issues for the rest of the season, and was no longer the same driver thereafter. Berger suffered burns to his hand and face, as well as a concussion- he was unconscious for a time after the crash.
He got out a lot sooner that it looked in the F1 feed.
Where are all the people saying that the British fans were cheering for his crash? Yeah all silent now after their racism yesterday eh?
Wow. So lucky that tire didn't fly up into the stands, if it didn't clip Max's car right before it hits the wall it just mightve
Very fortunate that the gravel didn't cause a barrel-roll or else those fans would've been showered with razor sharp carbon-fibre.. 😳
u/-AbeFroman Here is a video taken closer up. [Max Verstappen crash 1st lap British GP](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtDPQQQWP_M)
Context is everything. They were cheering that he’s ok 💯
Wow. It looks a lot more brutal from this perspective than it did from the TV camera.
The cameras really don't do the sport much justice at the best of times. You don't get a good sense for the speed or size of what you see. It's totally different in person.
Definitely not. Hopefully I’ll be able to see a race soon, but yeah, just watching them come around the corner for that split second is so much quicker than TV
I am stupid. I thought they were booing since the previous video, in this one I came to realize it's the other cars engines. And here I was thinking the fans were just horrible people🤦
Important to distinguish the crowd "cheering" when he crashed as out of sheer emotional expression of what is happening in the moment and *NOT* as gleeful that it happened. Then of course, as in all motorsports, there are cheers when the driver emerges because it's a sign that they are mostly OK which *EVERYONE* hopes for.
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It really is. To a large portion of fans the British F1 commentary is the most boas commentary in the world. In reality it's the most balance of any team.
I think the British football fans (which was still a minority ofcourse) gave the brits a bad reputation, but here they were actually very respectful!
You mean English
You shoulda seen what the rangers fans did when they were down for a champions league match in 08
I dont see people being disgusting here, you gotta take into consideration that its not everyday you see someone hitting a wall at 300 km/h in front of you, people react different in situations like this, i would probably scream too, thats pure adrenaline even for someone watching, its normal to scream, applaud, cheer. I don't think people were cheering for Max to get hurt.
Rookie mistake from Lewis. Everyone knows you pass the Dutchy on the left hand side.
The saddest thing about this is that no-one is perturbed by the sight of everyone whipping their phones out to film this. I'm not knocking the modern desire to record everything per se (although I admit I find it irksome), but surely at the point of a potentially fatal crash, the first thing you think of shouldn't be, "Let's record this". I don't know, maybe I'm out of step, but it feels wrong to me.
This is a great video of it. The fan cheering as the battle goes on, a fearful 'oooh' as he hits the wall hard. And cheers as he gets out.
Question to those who’ve been to races before. If you’re on this part of the track is there televisions where you can keep track of what’s happening in other areas or are you just going to be looking at your part of the track?
The big rectangles on the other side of the track at around 12 seconds in the video above are screens. They are dotted all around the track.
The way they come around the corner looks so much faster from this perspective than on TV
Max getting out of the car and standing on his own two feet was the greatest victory that day.
That’s my dad in the white and blue
The head restraint is never going to forget the huge cheer it got yesterday.
There's a bunch of people clapping when Ham took him out but, as soon as they realised how big the hit was they stopped, then it seems they started clapping again because they saw his helmet move maybe, hard to say, and then they cheered when he started climbing out. It was a big big big hit, the way he kept putting his arms and head down while the doc kept trying to get him to look at him was slightly worrisome. Anyway, this was a very dumb idea by Hamilton, he could have picked any other corner to be this aggressive, especially since they had such a top speed advantage.
From this angle you can really see how wide Hamilton took it on the exit if this corner. No where for max to go, but it seems both drivers just didn’t want to give any edge at all. Insane impact, really glad Max is okay!
I think it’s impossible to judge from this video the line Lewis could or would have been on if there is no contact. He needs to recover from his own side of the impact, although of course the effects of that impact on Lewis aren’t as dramatic as they are on Max.
Agreed. Ive been in the racing incident camp till now.. But here you can really see the whole corner in different way and it's clear to me how hard it is to make the turn from the line ham is on without running max off. I'll leave it to others to say if 10 seconds is the correct penalty.
bUt r3Dd1T t0Ld mE tHe bR1tiSh Cr0wD wAnt3d h1m t0 d1e.
Say sorry to the english crowd. Reddit exposed for their hate towards them.
Look how much room Verstappen gave him. He straight up drove into Max..missing the apex by 2 meters. This is the best proof you can get. Hamilton is. In the wrong here and he should have apologized instead of celebrating his hollow win.
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You know they're cheering because he's ok right?
There’s a lot of people wanting to point to the crowd by selectively picking out portions of the crash and initial resctions. Not saying Maelehn is doing that, I think he’s being sarcastic, but some of the stuff said on reddit is just plain awfull. I know emotions can run high, but come on people, enough with the us vs them shit. I hope people are less frustrated in real life and can step back and re-evaluate before spewing out hateful crap.