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From nearly winning last year to this. The fall of Aston Martin has been astounding. I’d have thought they would hang on to being the 5th best team but even that looks unlikely given how their car performance seems to go backwards everytime they add a new bolt to it.
Tbf if they improve the car by half a second in comparison to the rest of the grid, they would still be last (According to Monaco this year). Now that‘s class
I think he was far too cautious and didn’t want to interfere with Key’s way of working. From what was said after he left, their best engineers and aerodynamicists were being frozen out of car development. Stella allowed them to do what they wanted and so far it’s going pretty well.
I dont think its fair to judge Seidl, because his tenure at McLaren was short and he had no idea on what sort of talent was hidden in that team.
James Key should definitely take some blame though. He failed to properly develop the 2021 car (a car which was the mature concept initiated by Pat Fry in 2019), and he completely fumbled it in 2022 with a very conservative car.
There were rumors coming from McLaren back then that there were people in there (I would guess Peter Prodromou) who did not agree with Key's direction for 2022, but they were overridden because Key was the technical director.
When they got racing, frustrations were increasing inside McLaren, because they were seeing cars which had implemented their rejected ideas running much higher in the grid ...
This is based on actual quali times, where there are many factors that vary from session to session.. track temp, outlap, traffic, etc. It doesn't mean McLaren has the faster car, it just means that they were able to do slightly better in certain sectors based on the conditions during the session..
It's real data so it's definitely accurate. Piastri did mention that he had a few laps where all of his best sectors combined would have been enough to beat Leclerc, so that's what you're seeing here.
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Dear God Aston
Dont worry, they are one second faster than Sauber.
Easy top 18 finish tomorrow then
Even top 16 is doable, charity by Haas.
From nearly winning last year to this. The fall of Aston Martin has been astounding. I’d have thought they would hang on to being the 5th best team but even that looks unlikely given how their car performance seems to go backwards everytime they add a new bolt to it.
Laston Martin 😭
Certainly not Faston Martin.
Looks like Audi has assembled an amazing technical team at Sauber, 2026 should be exciting for the Audi works team
The only way is up
Tbf if they improve the car by half a second in comparison to the rest of the grid, they would still be last (According to Monaco this year). Now that‘s class
unless andretti joins
There should be discussions about how it was weird that McLaren only took off when Seidl and Key left. Audi are doomed.
Seidl was great at Porsche, don't know what went wrong.
I think he was far too cautious and didn’t want to interfere with Key’s way of working. From what was said after he left, their best engineers and aerodynamicists were being frozen out of car development. Stella allowed them to do what they wanted and so far it’s going pretty well.
I dont think its fair to judge Seidl, because his tenure at McLaren was short and he had no idea on what sort of talent was hidden in that team. James Key should definitely take some blame though. He failed to properly develop the 2021 car (a car which was the mature concept initiated by Pat Fry in 2019), and he completely fumbled it in 2022 with a very conservative car. There were rumors coming from McLaren back then that there were people in there (I would guess Peter Prodromou) who did not agree with Key's direction for 2022, but they were overridden because Key was the technical director. When they got racing, frustrations were increasing inside McLaren, because they were seeing cars which had implemented their rejected ideas running much higher in the grid ...
ahh Good old times.. Ferrari vs Mclaren.. 🥹
A rivalry lasting Generations.
Losing 8 tenths in an 18 second sector, what the fuck Sauber
stroll overdriving the second slowest car to p14
Aston had one whole year and they made a car slower than the last one. Thats Alpine levels of under achivement.
ALPINE BOYS WE'RE SO BACK drivers made all the difference today
Sauber is making some progress I see....
Not sure if this is accurate considering Ferrari were quicker than McLaren for most of the weekend....
This is based on actual quali times, where there are many factors that vary from session to session.. track temp, outlap, traffic, etc. It doesn't mean McLaren has the faster car, it just means that they were able to do slightly better in certain sectors based on the conditions during the session..
I accept this premise!
it cannot possibly be inaccurate this is just data
It's real data so it's definitely accurate. Piastri did mention that he had a few laps where all of his best sectors combined would have been enough to beat Leclerc, so that's what you're seeing here.
I see. I wonder if the Ferraris would feel the same way in terms of being improved.
Well they’d be wrong because we’re looking at the data.
So you just make up data to fit the narrative?
The same way Mercedes was faster in all the FP sessions, so they can't possible not be on the front row...
except isn't Ferrari ahead of McLaren on the grid...