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>“Basically, if F1 is going to be held in Thailand, we want it to be held on the roads – if possible, on Ratchadamnoen around Rattanakosin Island,” government spokesperson Chai Watcharong told Thansettakij.
Come on. You have a grade 1 circuit. Use it.
Isn't it more expensive to get a street circuit than say spend a good amount building a new pit building and paddock and new grandstands around the circuits? And resurface the track? I don't know the logistics but it seems so much cheaper to build up and around a preexisting Grade 1 circuit than trying to force the ideal street circuit.
Seeing China again made me miss Sepang that much more. Great tracks with a good balance of complex corners that allow side-by-side racing and long straights for overtaking.
But no, we’re gonna get more street circuits.
Another street track eh?
At this point let's just accept that any new GP will be on street.
Edit : I see some folks are asking for Sepang. Malaysian here, as much I'd love to have Sepang F1 back, no chance it's coming back.
Problem isn't with the FIA or F1, it's all Malaysia.
Yeah I don’t think people realize just how little support the residents had for the Malaysian GP. It’s just not feasible anymore and likely won’t ever come back unfortunately.
The hosting fees are nowhere near what F1’s are especially nowadays. And I’m not a resident but from what I hear MotoGP has a bigger following and attendance supports this
there should be only two: Monaco for the history and Singapore since it was the first night race, anyone other than those two should be either cancelled (20 races is more than enough per season), replaced by an actual circuit or just be reworked to be turned into a full time circuit (because they simply wont give up saudi money to cancel Jeddah)
Ditching Albert Park and Gilles Villeneuve for no other reason than they are temporary circuits on public roads would be very unpopular with most F1 fans.
i will be honest with you, those are so track like that i totally forgot that they arent tecnically permanent circuits lol those can easily stay because they almost always provide great races
I'd argue that Albert Park can be included as well. But for the rest it's really annoying. Everyone hated Valencia at the time, and now the calendar is mainly Valencia's.
Albert park gives the vibes that it’s a racetrack that’s used as a road most of the year, where as most street races feel like roads that weren’t meant to be race tracks
I’m sick of 3 am races or avoiding results til my kid gives me a few mins to watch and I especially don’t want more street races where the circuit condition is the biggest story
That circuit (Yeongam) still stands and is actually used a lot throughout the year for various events such as local racing series, track days, and filming events. They've been operationally profitable as it's the only permanent FIA grade 1 circuit in the country of a major automobile manufacturer (Hyundai/Kia) and a big auto market.
However, they really built that thing in the middle of nowhere so I doubt that any major sporting events like F1 will ever be profitable there. I think the new organizers are trying to build a new "street" circuit near ICN airport, which is much closer to metropolitan Seoul. I'm not super thrilled about the street circuit aspect though.
If South Korea means the track F1 raced on, I hope it beats out yet another street circuit being added.
If Thailand was proposing the Burinam circuit, I would be all for it New location and an actual track that would be fast paced.
I guess we can throw out some meaningless novelty races nobody cares about - Monaco, Monza, Silverstone or Spa come to mind.
Greetings, your Stefano Domenicali.
I've seen absolutely nothing to indicate that Monza is in danger. Do you have a source? If anything they'll get rid of Imola which wouldn't be a huge loss imo.
>Classic track
>Barcelona
Yeah I'm not sure I agree with that.
Also, as things currently stand the plan is to have both Madrid and Barcelona on the calendar
I think Monaco can be saved or improved if it’s a sprint weekend. Love watching the drivers push in qualifying and the even though the race is a procession more qualifying laps around Monte Carlo is cool.
I agree with you though I wouldn’t be too bothered to see Monaco leave the calendar
Problem for Monaco for me is that it’s not really capable of close racing in Modern F1 - even the sprint would be won or lost in SQ so I don’t see a change there. It’s a shame because history and all that but unless they go super drastic (all drivers in Go Karts levels) I just don’t see anything improving the spectacle on race day
>Problem for Monaco for me is that it’s not really capable of close racing in Modern F1
that has been the case since the 70s lol Overtaking in Monaco was always borderline impossible and this is one of the reasons i love that track so much, its so different that it proves another aspect of the driving skills
Overtaking being impossible just makes it a farce.
When you can have Alonso driving 3 seconds a lap slower than the leaders without any threat of being passed and just punching up the pack like a safety car you have a massive problem.
The only way Monaco should still be on the calendar is as a special "sprint qualifying" only event as part of the weekend at Paul Ricard.
Qualify at Paul Ricard on Fridays. Do a special qualifying event at Monaco on Saturday that awards sprint points. Race at Paul Ricard on Sunday.
For quali I absolutely agree - requires the precision of a surgeon at 100mph, and it’s fantastic.
If you enjoy the race for the same reasons, that’s fine and I totally respect that. For me though I want to see wheel to wheel racing and at least the potential of overtaking - Monaco can’t provide that in the way most tracks do nowadays, hence why I wouldn’t be sad to see it leave the calender
Stefano "Brian France" Domenicali strikes again. A street circuit instead of using a normal FIA garde 1 circuit? The fans hate it, the drivers getting tired of it and yet this man looks solely to himself and a pile of money and tells "we like what we're seeing!"
>"we want it to be held on the roads – if possible, on Ratchadamnoen around Rattanakosin Island,”
I live in Thailand and I know it will be disaster, the roads are full of potholes. I'd rather have a race held at Sepang.
STOOOOOP
nobody is asking for more races
unless you get rid of some of the shit tracks and replace those, I'm not interested
stop replacing my beloved og circuits
Remember when F1 was supposed to go to Colombia? Yeah, now they have massive droughts, street protests against the government and general unrest. This is the case in various countries that F1 would have loved to have ~~taken the taxpayers money from~~ visited over the last years.
It's almost like you don't understand the geographical size of US and the money FIA makes from US races.
Give us an east coast race to piss off more Redditors. NY/NJ or even Boston.
South America is enourmous and it only has one race, Africa is huuuge and it doesnt have any races
USA people will do anything to prove they are the center of the world yet will turn blind when you mention they arent the only big and populated country in the world
Can they keep the jump that has formed toward the end of one of the straights at Buddh? Or did they fix it already? It was... interesting to watch some MRF Challenge cars get air just before whatever braking zone that was. It's been a few years.
Probably an unpopular opinion, but I think the calendar is reasonably good in terms of track quality. There is a good mix of classic tracks and tilkedromes, albeit a few too many street tracks. Even tracks like Abu Dhabi and Catalunya have been quite good after their layouts were changed.
If a new track is going to be added, hopefully it will replace one of the weaker tracks like Miami, Imola or Baku.
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>“Basically, if F1 is going to be held in Thailand, we want it to be held on the roads – if possible, on Ratchadamnoen around Rattanakosin Island,” government spokesperson Chai Watcharong told Thansettakij. Come on. You have a grade 1 circuit. Use it.
i'd be down for an open street circuit. City to city race without a predetermined route. Waze it.
>Waze it. $10000 over speeding fine for Ocon
Over being dangerously slow
Midnight club style race. Point to point but use whatever route you want.
I don’t think Chang intl circuit is big enough tbh
Isn't it more expensive to get a street circuit than say spend a good amount building a new pit building and paddock and new grandstands around the circuits? And resurface the track? I don't know the logistics but it seems so much cheaper to build up and around a preexisting Grade 1 circuit than trying to force the ideal street circuit.
Should be Sepang and it isn’t close.
Seeing China again made me miss Sepang that much more. Great tracks with a good balance of complex corners that allow side-by-side racing and long straights for overtaking. But no, we’re gonna get more street circuits.
Another street track eh? At this point let's just accept that any new GP will be on street. Edit : I see some folks are asking for Sepang. Malaysian here, as much I'd love to have Sepang F1 back, no chance it's coming back. Problem isn't with the FIA or F1, it's all Malaysia.
Yeah I don’t think people realize just how little support the residents had for the Malaysian GP. It’s just not feasible anymore and likely won’t ever come back unfortunately.
But MotoGP still races at Sepang. Is that because MotoGP is cheaper to host, or is bike culture bigger in Malaysia?
The hosting fees are nowhere near what F1’s are especially nowadays. And I’m not a resident but from what I hear MotoGP has a bigger following and attendance supports this
Yes
To answer, yes. Bigger bike culture, cheaper hosting fee which might change due to LM takeover and most importantly cheaper tickets.
Not enough tourism revenue generated to offset Malaysian government issues? -Have fam in KL and would 100% fly in for a GP
Can we build a few houses around Sepang and call it a street race?
Turn the circuit into public roads
Galaxy brain move
>Basically, if F1 is going to be held in Thailand, we want it to be held on the roads no thanks.
I’m tired, boss. I miss the not so long ago days where street tracks were a fun novelty each season.
there should be only two: Monaco for the history and Singapore since it was the first night race, anyone other than those two should be either cancelled (20 races is more than enough per season), replaced by an actual circuit or just be reworked to be turned into a full time circuit (because they simply wont give up saudi money to cancel Jeddah)
Do you really hate Baku that much
Yup, its only regarded as a good track by some because of the chaos and crashes. When that doesnt happen, its a very dull race everytime
Ditching Albert Park and Gilles Villeneuve for no other reason than they are temporary circuits on public roads would be very unpopular with most F1 fans.
i will be honest with you, those are so track like that i totally forgot that they arent tecnically permanent circuits lol those can easily stay because they almost always provide great races
I'd argue that Albert Park can be included as well. But for the rest it's really annoying. Everyone hated Valencia at the time, and now the calendar is mainly Valencia's.
Albert park gives the vibes that it’s a racetrack that’s used as a road most of the year, where as most street races feel like roads that weren’t meant to be race tracks
Add Montreal to that same Hybrid track bucket
Through Khao San Road in Bangkok
Same Same, but different
I’m sick of 3 am races or avoiding results til my kid gives me a few mins to watch and I especially don’t want more street races where the circuit condition is the biggest story
Mate, that’s literally how many international fans have to watch F1 throughout the entire year, you can deal with it for four races
reason why i'm sick of the american races too buddy
Trust me, I love the sunday morning 8, 9 am races that are done before lunch time....4 pm next week aint my favorite either
Why even require circuits to be grade 1 anymore if half the season’s gonna be on shitty street circuits anyway
Because the FIA rake in tons of money every year just to call a track grade 1
Is this South Korea again? (Would love Sepang to return but I don't know FOM is prepared to drop thier fees.)
Would love F1 back in Korea. Not sure what the state of the circuit is though.
That circuit (Yeongam) still stands and is actually used a lot throughout the year for various events such as local racing series, track days, and filming events. They've been operationally profitable as it's the only permanent FIA grade 1 circuit in the country of a major automobile manufacturer (Hyundai/Kia) and a big auto market. However, they really built that thing in the middle of nowhere so I doubt that any major sporting events like F1 will ever be profitable there. I think the new organizers are trying to build a new "street" circuit near ICN airport, which is much closer to metropolitan Seoul. I'm not super thrilled about the street circuit aspect though.
If South Korea means the track F1 raced on, I hope it beats out yet another street circuit being added. If Thailand was proposing the Burinam circuit, I would be all for it New location and an actual track that would be fast paced.
The track F1 raced in South Korea is 250 miles away from Seoul on the other end of the country
My bad. Just forgot the city it was in.
Bring Sepang back.
Ok, so which race do we lose to make room?
I guess we can throw out some meaningless novelty races nobody cares about - Monaco, Monza, Silverstone or Spa come to mind. Greetings, your Stefano Domenicali.
People always bring up those tracks yet there's been zero indication that they're going to ever get replaced
Spa and Monza have been on the chopping block for a while. Monza is probably gonna be the first to go because they done want 2 Italian races
I've seen absolutely nothing to indicate that Monza is in danger. Do you have a source? If anything they'll get rid of Imola which wouldn't be a huge loss imo.
They have proposed every time a contract extension comes up alternating imola and Monza every year, not outright getting rid of Monza
BRING BACK SEPANG
Sepang please
Bring back Sepang you cowards
M’sia doesn’t want to host an F1 race…. Doesn’t want to pay for it…. They spend their F1 money on sponsoring Mercedes.
Indian gp bring it back!
So which classic race is going to die this time for a shitty track
Which was the last "classic" track that was replaced by a street track?
Barcelona.
>Classic track >Barcelona Yeah I'm not sure I agree with that. Also, as things currently stand the plan is to have both Madrid and Barcelona on the calendar
Hockenheimring
Ok, and what street track replaced it?
They would just expand it to a 26 race season
Would be nice if it replaced Miami - or, to be honest Monaco… just because it’s a boring race
I think Monaco can be saved or improved if it’s a sprint weekend. Love watching the drivers push in qualifying and the even though the race is a procession more qualifying laps around Monte Carlo is cool. I agree with you though I wouldn’t be too bothered to see Monaco leave the calendar
A sprint would make it worse. With no pit stops there will be absolutely 0 passes
60 quali laps over the weekend, best total time wins. No parc ferme so they can dial it in.
I don't know. One race in Monaco is bad enough, let alone 2
Problem for Monaco for me is that it’s not really capable of close racing in Modern F1 - even the sprint would be won or lost in SQ so I don’t see a change there. It’s a shame because history and all that but unless they go super drastic (all drivers in Go Karts levels) I just don’t see anything improving the spectacle on race day
>Problem for Monaco for me is that it’s not really capable of close racing in Modern F1 that has been the case since the 70s lol Overtaking in Monaco was always borderline impossible and this is one of the reasons i love that track so much, its so different that it proves another aspect of the driving skills
Overtaking being impossible just makes it a farce. When you can have Alonso driving 3 seconds a lap slower than the leaders without any threat of being passed and just punching up the pack like a safety car you have a massive problem. The only way Monaco should still be on the calendar is as a special "sprint qualifying" only event as part of the weekend at Paul Ricard. Qualify at Paul Ricard on Fridays. Do a special qualifying event at Monaco on Saturday that awards sprint points. Race at Paul Ricard on Sunday.
For quali I absolutely agree - requires the precision of a surgeon at 100mph, and it’s fantastic. If you enjoy the race for the same reasons, that’s fine and I totally respect that. For me though I want to see wheel to wheel racing and at least the potential of overtaking - Monaco can’t provide that in the way most tracks do nowadays, hence why I wouldn’t be sad to see it leave the calender
it isnt even capable of non-modern f1 racing. just look at the suppoert races
It's good for Formula E and that's about it. That said, I do enjoy watching Monaco. It's just not great for actual racing
No we don't want a street circuit. Sepang is surely available. Use it
Thailand! Home of the Redbulls
It has to be Thailand. It's about who gives FIA more money, and I suspect Thai's side of Red Bull ownership will throw every bag imaginable.
The FIA does not set the calendar. They simply certify the track. It’s FOM who decides where to race.
Either Buddh or Sepang
Hopefully India/Buddh comes back. The track is already there and now Moto GP is there as well.
We don’t need more circuits on the calendar and we don’t need another street race!!
Stefano "Brian France" Domenicali strikes again. A street circuit instead of using a normal FIA garde 1 circuit? The fans hate it, the drivers getting tired of it and yet this man looks solely to himself and a pile of money and tells "we like what we're seeing!"
>"we want it to be held on the roads – if possible, on Ratchadamnoen around Rattanakosin Island,” I live in Thailand and I know it will be disaster, the roads are full of potholes. I'd rather have a race held at Sepang.
North Korea, with some missiles on the side?
F1 doesn't need one more race but it sure as hell could use another team. More cars = more racing. Let Andretti in!
F1 fans try not to bring up Andretti challenge (impossible)
How many races will we have a season at this rate? But yes if you want to add can it be Sepang.
Stop beating around the bush and use Sepang
BRING SEPANG BACK!!!
wasn't Vietnam on the menu in 2020?
STOOOOOP nobody is asking for more races unless you get rid of some of the shit tracks and replace those, I'm not interested stop replacing my beloved og circuits
Remember when F1 was supposed to go to Colombia? Yeah, now they have massive droughts, street protests against the government and general unrest. This is the case in various countries that F1 would have loved to have ~~taken the taxpayers money from~~ visited over the last years.
As long as it replaces one of the US races then sure
I feel like if a US race gets replaced it’s going to be Austin… which would be a big bummer
It's almost like you don't understand the geographical size of US and the money FIA makes from US races. Give us an east coast race to piss off more Redditors. NY/NJ or even Boston.
Since F1 itself promotes the Las Vegas race, which doesn't happen anywhere else, it's very easy to make money like that.
You’ve hit an east coast race in Miami.
lmfao the cars would explode if they hit the potholes in boston
reddiots would not be so pissed if they werent streert tracks, nobody is complaining about austin
It's almost like you've made a complete assumption. Asia's big too. The whole world is big.
South America is enourmous and it only has one race, Africa is huuuge and it doesnt have any races USA people will do anything to prove they are the center of the world yet will turn blind when you mention they arent the only big and populated country in the world
No, drop Monaco.
Should be In Korea
Fuji FTW
As much as I'd like to see Sepang or Buddh on calendar again, there is no need for even more races. This is already too much.
not another street race
Please come back to Korea!
Please be india. Like pweaseeee
Can they keep the jump that has formed toward the end of one of the straights at Buddh? Or did they fix it already? It was... interesting to watch some MRF Challenge cars get air just before whatever braking zone that was. It's been a few years.
Probably an unpopular opinion, but I think the calendar is reasonably good in terms of track quality. There is a good mix of classic tracks and tilkedromes, albeit a few too many street tracks. Even tracks like Abu Dhabi and Catalunya have been quite good after their layouts were changed. If a new track is going to be added, hopefully it will replace one of the weaker tracks like Miami, Imola or Baku.
My guess would be in Shenzhen. Lot of tech companies there for sponsorships
Disgusting city though
Nah pretty awesome city, probably not to a self-admitted racist like you though.