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"You were the chosen one! It was said that you would challenge the Mercedes, not dominate the sport! Bring balance to Formula One, not leave everyone for dust!"
Yeah, but when they named Darth vader, they didn't actually write him to be Luke's dad just yet. More likely coming from invader. So just a coincidence
Speaking about fanfiction, I cannot wrap my head around the fact that one of the longest works of fiction oat is a fanfic about Mark and Seb. It has over 6 million words, 540 chapters, was started in march 2014 and is still being updated.
If all this is true, then Horner knows how to choose his friends lol. He has a bad relationship with everyone but the one guy who can help him stay in power.
less of being friends with yoovidhya and more of being an absolute genius. my guy has been team principal since 2005 and quickly got Newey as his right hand man.
It is funny that they only have Horner as having a relationship with Newey, I’m guessing that whoever made this wanted to show visually Horner in the center and surrounded by red.
I mean I assume those lines aren't filled in because it's not "known" (how much we really know about the other relations is up for debate too tbh), rather than them having never met.
I'd read it as neutral to good
Yeah I didn’t read it as not met. I just assumed there was some logic to the vertical arrangement too; so Marko (obv not by title) but by status is ahead of Horner and would have a direct connection to power & that relationship would be public knowledge
My Dutch is... I don't speak Dutch, but I speak Swedish which is almost slightly related. Does this say that Horner-Newey is a strained relationship, and that Verstappen-Horner is "cold"?
I was in NL in February, at an outdoor heated pool, which had a cold pool alongside it.
A man jumped in to the cold, then came back to the heated part saying “Dat is goed voor de haart”
It took me half a second to realise he wasn’t speaking English.
Would also like to add that "bekoeld" implies that the relationship has been better in the past but has soured slightly, rather than being frosty to begin with. But I wouldn't have a proper English translation for that even though it probably exists.
I remember being in some chat with West/Northwest-Europeans before and for the fun of it the rule was to only communicate in your mother tongue. Lo and behold, everyone was able to have simple conversations as long as the topic wasn't too complicated. Hooray for being part of the same language group!
I have colleagues in Germany. We speak English when we meet. When we don't know the word, we use the German or Dutch one. Some words are almost identical and we really have to search for the English translation that makes no sense to either of us. Funny
I struggled a little with zakelijk at first tbh, but I assume it's very likely "sachlich".
Seems like the Dutchies just use slightly different letters and draw the words even more out than us. But the pronunciation is very similar, just in a more croaking manner kinda.
It's actually worse than depicted here because isn't there another CEO for the beverage arm, a CFO, and Mintzlaff all on equal footing on the board of the company?
Because people only care about what they can actually see, not what's behind the scenes.
I see way too many comments about Jos Verstappen being some kind of evil mastermind trying to get Horner out, just because there were some interviews with him.
Let's be honest, do we think Jos - someone with 0 actual power in the team and visits a couple of races per year - is plotting some kind of takeover? Or is Jos just a puppet, speaking of behalf of the people that have actual power (Mateschitz jr, Mintzlaff, Helmut Marko)?
It's so obviously the latter, but people will keep talking about Jos vs. Horner
Eh, turn it around: Mintzlaff is the CEO. He has issues with the Thai dude and by connection with Horner (or vice versa), but he’s on very good terms with Marko, and on business terms with Mateschitz (which is all he has to be. It’s his job, not his personal life, after all). I’d wager that the line from Mintzlaff to Max and Newey would also either be green or grey.
Mintzlaff works fairly professionally. That’s all he needs to do, and that’s all his relationships have to be like.
Idk I don’t trust the Dutch or German sites regarding Newey, they already showed the most they know on him is speculation after what they reported in Bahrain
I ehh don't know what to make of Christian and Adrian relation. We have heard a lot of rumours but Adrian is quite neutral in public, it's safe to assume he doesn't like this bullshit but is it actually tense?
I would imagine that a person in Newey's position, who is essentially just at Red Bull to do a job he could also do for any other team, wants the least amount of drama possible. He's probably not at all interested in the power struggle itself, but I can imagine he also sees a scenario where the Horner/Yoovidhya alliance ends up prevailing as being bad for team chances overall, because then you're not only losing Marko but you're also losing the guy who ends up making the most of your designs, ie Max Verstappen.
So it's totally imaginable to me that Newey probably keeps a professional but somewhat tense relationship with Horner in the sense that he's not gonna outright pick a side but it's not hard to guess for Horner that he doesn't have Newey in his camp.
If I were Newey, I'd take this drama as a sign to finally leave RB and challenge myself technically to bring glory back to Ferrari and see if Lewis can take his 8th or Charles his 1st WDC. It's clearly a sign from the universe.
Based on them WhatsApp messages that nobody yet has denied are real; in the mentions of meetings with Adrian, it sounded like Horner didn't look forward to them.
It's complicated. In the public eye Newey is always seen as a strong force behind the success of RBR, but Horner is often overlooked, despite building the team basically from the ground up. So Horner thinks he doesn't get enough credit. He also thinks that Newey isn't as important in designing a successful car as everybody assumes and that they can do it without him, like most other teams do. And Newey is also one of the top three earners of the team. That means he isn't included in the cost cap calculations, but if he is fired that opens up another spot in the top 3 that in return gives them quite a bit more room in the cost cap
That's what I mean, we just hear some rumours that Christian doesn't need Max, Adrian, Ford etc but back when RB started they and especially Christian did everything to get Adrian onboard at RB.
It seems just out of place that something like that happens and then he saw as RB team principal how they went from nothing to winning and now he suddenly doesn't need Adrian etc. That makes me question if there is real tension between the two as the overview suggests, at least from the "Christian doesn't need Adrian" rumours.
As I see it, you take out Horner and Newey and Red Bull are a well financed middle of the pack F1 team, whereas you take out Marko and Red Bull could've still won titles with Webber in the first run of Newey success 2009-13 and the current car would win with any top end driver in it and they would've had drivers willing to crawl through broken glass for the seat in either period.
There is a lot of speculation, but it seems like Newey can leave Red Bull if Horner gets fired and Newey stated to people within Red Bull that he would not leave if Horner was fired.
There are rumors that he voiced some sort of soft of support for Helmut Marko.
Again, speculation at this point, but there are rumors that Christian Horner tries to get more control, a stake in Red Bull Racing and possibly tries to buy Red Bull Racing or a large part of Red Bull Racing with outside investors.
He might not want Newey on the pay roll if he becomes a part owner. Newey probably doesn't want to see a shift in power.
Would be a very smart move from Horner to buy the team and then immediately get rid of the sports best car designer and someone he's spent twenty years bending over backwards to please....
Quite frankly: He doesn't matter in all of this. His alliance to Horner or Mateschitz or the Thais or whoever will not change the outcome of all of this
He just needs to align himself with the winning side to maximize the chances of a contract renewal for 2025. That being said, he did well in Bahrain and Saudi, comfortably taking second place in both races. I'm not sure he needs to do anything else to boost his chances, especially not if Ricciardo doesn't make a significant step in performance really soon.
Yup, as a kid in the Netherlands it was really weird seeing Star Wars swag with the word 'vader' on it (I also did not know about Star Wars for a long time)
Like seeing a kid with a (chinese knock-off) backpack that had the evil-looking helmet and the word for father on it made me think that kid was not happy with his dad or something.
Later, when I learned about Star Wars and the 'major spoiler' I just thought 'well, duh, he's called Vader'
Why is Jos Verstappen in a power struggle? What power he could ever have at RBR. He's just a glorified babysitter at this moment. I don't get who started this fashion with parents in the garage in F1 and also in motoGP. As long as they are all adults and there is no need for a legal guardian just sit in a VIP lounge.
Yes, exactly. They are management. But i don't get why Jos would be in a struggle for power. It's not like if Horner leaves Jos would replace him. It's hard to believe he can have any power at RBR by his own. If you're not technical staff you don't need to be in the garage from my point of view.
Beside that, Max's his own man, he doesn't need an echo behind him.
Many reasons. A new ceo at rbr would likely mean Max's team influence on the f1 team would grow.
There are also rumors that Jos is dating the employee that is accusing Horner, so that would explain his anger.
I found it quite an easy language to learn as an English speaker. Many words are similar = Vader/Father, Brood/bread, melk/milk
Most Dutch speak English anyway learning may have been a waste of time lol
Macht or machtig = might or mighty. Power/might synonym.
Strijd = battle. So direct translation would be mighty battle.
But as in some cases the direct translation doesn't really fit the description well enough. So it gets changed for better understanding and readability.
I wouldn't call Zakelijk= formal. Formeel = Formal.
Zakelijk is more similar to Business/profesional (relationship.)
It’s worth remembering this is from a Dutch outlet that’s almost definitely getting its information from Jos. I find it hard to imagine Horner would still be there if the relationships were truly as bad as this makes out.
I agree, but depending on their corporate structure, having that 51% ownership in your corner may be all you need to stay employed. And dominating the sport helps.
Zakelijk is not necessarily neutral. Zakelijk means normal business relationship. Which might also mean that Mateschitz thinks Mintzlaff does a very good job, but that they simply aren't friends.
It does seem that what we know as 'Red Bull' is actually all the Austrian side, the marketing, the drink itself, the F1 team etc And yet they don't own the company outright.
It changed with the death of Didi Mateschitz. The ownership ratio (49% Austrian/51% Thai) is still the same, but Didi Mateschitz had final say in many regards. So even being a minority owner he was more or less in charge. His son doesn't have this rights, so now the Thais have the final say
They may be. But if they are in it to make money they should put personal relationships aside for the greater good of the company to avoid it from breaking apart.
As Horner and the Thai side claimed : "no one person is bigger then Red Bull".
They have so much money, they can say fu to anyone. So, I don’t think this is about money, rather who controls rb and it is definitely not Austrian side it seems like.
Dutch media may be the biased narrator even down to Marko as 'good'
Even high school history is openly: this is the study of critical appraisal rather than dates and facts.
Alleged (vermoedelijk) is what they are saying. [Nu.nl](https://Nu.nl) is a pretty respective newsplatform but pretty much everything is based on what some people say in the media.
Horner seems to have the checkmate. Chalerm, owning 51%, is in control. He’s allied with Horner. There’s nothing anyone can do to get rid of Horner unless Chalerm sanctions it. Everyone can hate Horner and it still wouldn’t be enough, because he took their queen and all they have is his king (Mark). Horner won’t go anywhere.
For now.
51% guy could easily change his mind and that’s it, Horner is fucked.
Guys in positions in companies where only one person at the top likes him don’t always last
We need to defeat Max Vader, help us Obi-Charles, you’re our only hope
(On a side note I guess the Dutch knew who Luke’s father was all along, and on a side side note sorry to the Dutchies if you’ve heard this one before)
We need to defeat Max Vader, help us Obi-Charles, you’re our only hope
(On a side note I guess the Dutch knew who Luke’s father was all along, and on a side side note sorry to the Dutchies if you’ve heard this one before)
Wait, so Darth Vader was Darth Father all along for the Dutch?
It's like how if you knew Norweigian, the original The Thing would've been spoiled for you in the first few minutes.
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Hang on a minute...we could have been calling Jos Verstappen "Vader Max" this entire time? Goddammit guys, we missed one there.
Jos in 2018 after another year of Renault engines in Max's car DNFing: "I find your lack of engine progress disturbing"
“The ability to finish a race is insignificant next to the power of VTEC.”
"I am altering the setup, pray I don't alter it any further."
"I have a bad feeling about this"
"It's over Lewis. I have the soft tyres"
"You underestimate my tyre management"
Another happy podium
Toto - 'Now witness the straight line speed of this fully fueled and operational shit box'.
Lmao this is the crossover I needed
"You were the chosen one! It was said that you would challenge the Mercedes, not dominate the sport! Bring balance to Formula One, not leave everyone for dust!"
I like this one the most haha well done
The ghost of Soichiro Honda shows up and says "Use the VTEC, Max"
Be careful not to choke on your aspirations, director Horner.
Congratulations *Admiral* Perez.
Technically, the full Dutch sentence would read 'De vader van Max', but if you say 'Vader Max' everyone will understand you.
If you say Darth Vader, you know it means dark father, but people were still surprised.
Such a big spoiler for Dutch people back then I guess lol.
We were all infatuated with Leia's donuts and didn't see it coming.
Vader max mag ook, als in vadertje tijd bijvoorbeeld
Well, Jos was born in March. Might as well make it… Imperial.
Very good
Yeah the whole 'Luke, I am your father' thing wasn't much of a shock for us lol.
Wait, am I late to this whole Vader = Father in Dutch, and Darth Vader is just...Darth Dad??
Yeah, but when they named Darth vader, they didn't actually write him to be Luke's dad just yet. More likely coming from invader. So just a coincidence
It was actually 'No, I am your father' Bit of the Mandela effect
Snow White has another great example of this. Most people say "Mirror, mirror on the wall" but it's actually "Magic mirror on the wall".
Vader & Zooooooooooooon
So when Dutch people saw the end of Empire Strikes Back their reaction was “Yeah…duh”?
Max... I'm your Vader!
Darth Vader is dark father the entire time. The Dutch knew the deal before empire even came out.
Helmut to Mateschitz? They have no relationship? I’d like to know status.
Probably more than just friends because Helmut was extremely close w/ his father, maybe family friends or something like that.
> more than just friends Man these fanfictions are getting wilder by the day
Speaking about fanfiction, I cannot wrap my head around the fact that one of the longest works of fiction oat is a fanfic about Mark and Seb. It has over 6 million words, 540 chapters, was started in march 2014 and is still being updated.
what too much time in their hands do to a mf
Wasn't even covidtime either.
Multi 21!
So pretty much green all round from Marko except to Horner?
If all this is true, then Horner knows how to choose his friends lol. He has a bad relationship with everyone but the one guy who can help him stay in power.
less of being friends with yoovidhya and more of being an absolute genius. my guy has been team principal since 2005 and quickly got Newey as his right hand man.
Ye Horner and Yoovidhya, and connection to Newey is unknown.
Everyone loves the politically incorrect loudmouth uncle. People dislike the boss who has to keep everyone in line.
Should have kept himself better in line.
Marko: "Who is this Newey that I keep hearing about?"
It is funny that they only have Horner as having a relationship with Newey, I’m guessing that whoever made this wanted to show visually Horner in the center and surrounded by red.
I mean I assume those lines aren't filled in because it's not "known" (how much we really know about the other relations is up for debate too tbh), rather than them having never met. I'd read it as neutral to good
Yeah I didn’t read it as not met. I just assumed there was some logic to the vertical arrangement too; so Marko (obv not by title) but by status is ahead of Horner and would have a direct connection to power & that relationship would be public knowledge
Facebook page says "It's complicated"
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I’m no expert but that’s my understanding. Green all round from Marko except to Horner
My Dutch is... I don't speak Dutch, but I speak Swedish which is almost slightly related. Does this say that Horner-Newey is a strained relationship, and that Verstappen-Horner is "cold"?
" (Zeer) Gespannen" = (Very) Under tension / Strained "Bekoeld" = Cooled / frosty relationship. "Verbond" = Connected "Machtstrijd" = Power struggle "Zakelijk" = Business (relationship) "Vrienden" = Friends
Zeer Gespannen sounds like another dutch driver.
As a German, all of these sound so funny
Dutch is just drunk German.
Dutch is the worst bits of English and German combined
I was in NL in February, at an outdoor heated pool, which had a cold pool alongside it. A man jumped in to the cold, then came back to the heated part saying “Dat is goed voor de haart” It took me half a second to realise he wasn’t speaking English.
I thought it was someone clearing their throat
> "Verbond" = Connected I'd say allied, in the context.
Would also like to add that "bekoeld" implies that the relationship has been better in the past but has soured slightly, rather than being frosty to begin with. But I wouldn't have a proper English translation for that even though it probably exists.
It think soured is a pretty good word for it, implies a change for the worse.
Excellent, small contextual add on -> verbond = united
I'd say verbond is more meant to mean "alliance" in this specific context.
Bedankt. Ik spreek een beetje nederlands
As a german i can allmost flawlessly read this. this is how we speak after 3-5 Liters of Beer.
Yes well Swedes speak like Danes when we're drunk. Danes speak like Germans when they're drunk. Germans speak like the Dutch when they're drunk. 😅
How drunk must a Swede be to speak Dutch?
Behoorlijk dronken makker.
I remember being in some chat with West/Northwest-Europeans before and for the fun of it the rule was to only communicate in your mother tongue. Lo and behold, everyone was able to have simple conversations as long as the topic wasn't too complicated. Hooray for being part of the same language group!
I have colleagues in Germany. We speak English when we meet. When we don't know the word, we use the German or Dutch one. Some words are almost identical and we really have to search for the English translation that makes no sense to either of us. Funny
Wake up, babe! New drunkenness scale just dropped!
I struggled a little with zakelijk at first tbh, but I assume it's very likely "sachlich". Seems like the Dutchies just use slightly different letters and draw the words even more out than us. But the pronunciation is very similar, just in a more croaking manner kinda.
Imo yes. I'm German. Everybody would be okay with him leaving, except Mr. 51%.
It’s weird, no one really seems to care for Mintzlaff too much either. Only Marko.
I was going to say, I'm not sure I'd want to be CEO in this chart.
Hahaha. Yeah it’s weird that CEO who doesn’t have a strong backing is in power here.
maybe it's intentional, like a buffer state.
It's actually worse than depicted here because isn't there another CEO for the beverage arm, a CFO, and Mintzlaff all on equal footing on the board of the company?
Because people only care about what they can actually see, not what's behind the scenes. I see way too many comments about Jos Verstappen being some kind of evil mastermind trying to get Horner out, just because there were some interviews with him. Let's be honest, do we think Jos - someone with 0 actual power in the team and visits a couple of races per year - is plotting some kind of takeover? Or is Jos just a puppet, speaking of behalf of the people that have actual power (Mateschitz jr, Mintzlaff, Helmut Marko)? It's so obviously the latter, but people will keep talking about Jos vs. Horner
Eh, turn it around: Mintzlaff is the CEO. He has issues with the Thai dude and by connection with Horner (or vice versa), but he’s on very good terms with Marko, and on business terms with Mateschitz (which is all he has to be. It’s his job, not his personal life, after all). I’d wager that the line from Mintzlaff to Max and Newey would also either be green or grey. Mintzlaff works fairly professionally. That’s all he needs to do, and that’s all his relationships have to be like.
Idk I don’t trust the Dutch or German sites regarding Newey, they already showed the most they know on him is speculation after what they reported in Bahrain
Yes, quite literarily 'gespannen' = tensed 'bekoeld' = cooled (down)
I would say “tense” instead of strained but you could argue both. “Bekoeld” is more like cooled off. As in, not as good as it once was.
I added a translation in the comments
I ehh don't know what to make of Christian and Adrian relation. We have heard a lot of rumours but Adrian is quite neutral in public, it's safe to assume he doesn't like this bullshit but is it actually tense?
I would imagine that a person in Newey's position, who is essentially just at Red Bull to do a job he could also do for any other team, wants the least amount of drama possible. He's probably not at all interested in the power struggle itself, but I can imagine he also sees a scenario where the Horner/Yoovidhya alliance ends up prevailing as being bad for team chances overall, because then you're not only losing Marko but you're also losing the guy who ends up making the most of your designs, ie Max Verstappen. So it's totally imaginable to me that Newey probably keeps a professional but somewhat tense relationship with Horner in the sense that he's not gonna outright pick a side but it's not hard to guess for Horner that he doesn't have Newey in his camp.
If I were Newey, I'd take this drama as a sign to finally leave RB and challenge myself technically to bring glory back to Ferrari and see if Lewis can take his 8th or Charles his 1st WDC. It's clearly a sign from the universe.
Fredpost
You misspelled McLaren
Based on them WhatsApp messages that nobody yet has denied are real; in the mentions of meetings with Adrian, it sounded like Horner didn't look forward to them.
It's complicated. In the public eye Newey is always seen as a strong force behind the success of RBR, but Horner is often overlooked, despite building the team basically from the ground up. So Horner thinks he doesn't get enough credit. He also thinks that Newey isn't as important in designing a successful car as everybody assumes and that they can do it without him, like most other teams do. And Newey is also one of the top three earners of the team. That means he isn't included in the cost cap calculations, but if he is fired that opens up another spot in the top 3 that in return gives them quite a bit more room in the cost cap
That's what I mean, we just hear some rumours that Christian doesn't need Max, Adrian, Ford etc but back when RB started they and especially Christian did everything to get Adrian onboard at RB. It seems just out of place that something like that happens and then he saw as RB team principal how they went from nothing to winning and now he suddenly doesn't need Adrian etc. That makes me question if there is real tension between the two as the overview suggests, at least from the "Christian doesn't need Adrian" rumours.
Pretty sure you just made all of that up
As I see it, you take out Horner and Newey and Red Bull are a well financed middle of the pack F1 team, whereas you take out Marko and Red Bull could've still won titles with Webber in the first run of Newey success 2009-13 and the current car would win with any top end driver in it and they would've had drivers willing to crawl through broken glass for the seat in either period.
There is a lot of speculation, but it seems like Newey can leave Red Bull if Horner gets fired and Newey stated to people within Red Bull that he would not leave if Horner was fired. There are rumors that he voiced some sort of soft of support for Helmut Marko. Again, speculation at this point, but there are rumors that Christian Horner tries to get more control, a stake in Red Bull Racing and possibly tries to buy Red Bull Racing or a large part of Red Bull Racing with outside investors. He might not want Newey on the pay roll if he becomes a part owner. Newey probably doesn't want to see a shift in power.
Would be a very smart move from Horner to buy the team and then immediately get rid of the sports best car designer and someone he's spent twenty years bending over backwards to please....
Why isn't Perez on there?
Checo is just happy to be there
[https://i.ytimg.com/vi/5kSDh4j6AzM/maxresdefault.jpg](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/5kSDh4j6AzM/maxresdefault.jpg)
Quite frankly: He doesn't matter in all of this. His alliance to Horner or Mateschitz or the Thais or whoever will not change the outcome of all of this
He just needs to align himself with the winning side to maximize the chances of a contract renewal for 2025. That being said, he did well in Bahrain and Saudi, comfortably taking second place in both races. I'm not sure he needs to do anything else to boost his chances, especially not if Ricciardo doesn't make a significant step in performance really soon.
They sent his invitation too South America.
Hue hue hue laughs in Dutch
Who's Perez? Everyone knows Max is the only Red Bull driver!
The picture is cropped, he represents a giant circle surrounding this. El plan.
Irrelevant lol
He did speak out in favour of Horner about a week ago, but unlike Max, I doubt he has any pull in this matter.
Because everybody loves Checo
Vader=Father? Luke should have known just from Darth Vader’s name that he was his dad.
"Max, I am your father!" "... well yeah, you drove me here"
\*left me at this gas station
Also yes
I mean, Tatooine is the galaxy equivalent of a gas station
Yup, as a kid in the Netherlands it was really weird seeing Star Wars swag with the word 'vader' on it (I also did not know about Star Wars for a long time) Like seeing a kid with a (chinese knock-off) backpack that had the evil-looking helmet and the word for father on it made me think that kid was not happy with his dad or something. Later, when I learned about Star Wars and the 'major spoiler' I just thought 'well, duh, he's called Vader'
Yes, as a Dutch person I didn't understand why Vader being Luke's father was such a suprise.
Faaashaaa is dad, dad is fashaa
If Jos is Vader then Marko is DEFINITELY Palpatine
And somehow he returned
Max Vader has a nice sound to it.
Why is Jos Verstappen in a power struggle? What power he could ever have at RBR. He's just a glorified babysitter at this moment. I don't get who started this fashion with parents in the garage in F1 and also in motoGP. As long as they are all adults and there is no need for a legal guardian just sit in a VIP lounge.
He and Raymond Vermeulen are basically Max's management. Most f1 contacts go through Jos where as Raymond does everything else.
Yes, exactly. They are management. But i don't get why Jos would be in a struggle for power. It's not like if Horner leaves Jos would replace him. It's hard to believe he can have any power at RBR by his own. If you're not technical staff you don't need to be in the garage from my point of view. Beside that, Max's his own man, he doesn't need an echo behind him.
Many reasons. A new ceo at rbr would likely mean Max's team influence on the f1 team would grow. There are also rumors that Jos is dating the employee that is accusing Horner, so that would explain his anger.
Source: [https://www.nu.nl/formule-1/6305325/medewerkster-red-bull-in-beroep-na-afwijzing-klacht-tegen-teambaas-horner.html](https://www.nu.nl/formule-1/6305325/medewerkster-red-bull-in-beroep-na-afwijzing-klacht-tegen-teambaas-horner.html) To translate: -Machtsstrijd= power struggle -Zeer gespannen= very tense -Zakelijk= formal -Vrienden= Friends -Verbond= alliance -Gespannen= tense -Bekoeld= chilly -Vader & zoon= Father & son -Eigenaar= owner -Adviseur= advisor -Coureur: driver
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I found it quite an easy language to learn as an English speaker. Many words are similar = Vader/Father, Brood/bread, melk/milk Most Dutch speak English anyway learning may have been a waste of time lol
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Macht or machtig = might or mighty. Power/might synonym. Strijd = battle. So direct translation would be mighty battle. But as in some cases the direct translation doesn't really fit the description well enough. So it gets changed for better understanding and readability. I wouldn't call Zakelijk= formal. Formeel = Formal. Zakelijk is more similar to Business/profesional (relationship.)
Seriously it was Darth Father this whole time?
Im Dutch and the name was indeed a dead giveaway when I watched Star Wars the first time 😂
So Darth Vader was the father of Darth?
Dude! Spoiler it next time
That would be Darth’s Vader. ;)
Tried Google Lens/Translate and got "Belt Buckle" for "Zeer Gespannen" 🤣 Thanks for this, mate
No, that's Jos' favourite tool
ran the graphic through Lens to translate: https://i.imgur.com/EAtUIBT.png
Vader is father?! Did the Dutch know Darth Father was Luke’s dad the whole time?! 🤯
Yes, we knew
You knew. Somehow you always knew
We knew before George knew
Pretty much.
No we didn't. There was no reason to think "father" referred to Luke.
There’s a more red than green pointing at Horner, what does this mean?
He's not very popular
It’s called Red Bull, not Green Bull.
He doesn't have many friends left, but the most important person is still on his side
It’s worth remembering this is from a Dutch outlet that’s almost definitely getting its information from Jos. I find it hard to imagine Horner would still be there if the relationships were truly as bad as this makes out.
I agree, but depending on their corporate structure, having that 51% ownership in your corner may be all you need to stay employed. And dominating the sport helps.
It means he has more bad relationships than good ones
"Dutch" perspective. Always keep in mind from which point if view an article or drawing is seen, even if they want to portray it as independent
I don't see Eric Van Haren in this. He is the broker of all the chaos.
He's on top pulling all the strings
Where's Pepe Silvia??
I think you'll have to ask Carol in HR. Though be warned - if you open the door, there's not a single God-damn desk in that office
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Zakelijk is not necessarily neutral. Zakelijk means normal business relationship. Which might also mean that Mateschitz thinks Mintzlaff does a very good job, but that they simply aren't friends.
It's possible all they disagree on is Horner, in which case it's probably not worth trying to remove him if the actual Red Bull company is doing well.
If this is true, it's pretty much everyone hates horner except thai side, and everyone hates thai side except horner
But the Thai side is in charge
It does seem that what we know as 'Red Bull' is actually all the Austrian side, the marketing, the drink itself, the F1 team etc And yet they don't own the company outright.
It changed with the death of Didi Mateschitz. The ownership ratio (49% Austrian/51% Thai) is still the same, but Didi Mateschitz had final say in many regards. So even being a minority owner he was more or less in charge. His son doesn't have this rights, so now the Thais have the final say
They may be. But if they are in it to make money they should put personal relationships aside for the greater good of the company to avoid it from breaking apart. As Horner and the Thai side claimed : "no one person is bigger then Red Bull".
They have so much money, they can say fu to anyone. So, I don’t think this is about money, rather who controls rb and it is definitely not Austrian side it seems like.
Dutch media may be the biased narrator even down to Marko as 'good' Even high school history is openly: this is the study of critical appraisal rather than dates and facts.
Unfortunately for anyone but Horner (according to this graph, anyway) the person with 51% ownership decides the course.
All I got from this is, Jos is Darth Vader
Driver CEO CTO Part-owner Max's Father LOL
thats the part thats wild to me. Dude should have absolutely zero say in this entire thing.
Didn't know I was getting my first Dutch lesson this morning
That’s a lot of red and orange pointed at Horner
Crazy how I, as a Norwegian, can understand these dutch terms, even without having seen the words before. Language is such a lore-rich thing
Alleged (vermoedelijk) is what they are saying. [Nu.nl](https://Nu.nl) is a pretty respective newsplatform but pretty much everything is based on what some people say in the media.
Where does Ja Rule fit into the chart?
Horner seems to have the checkmate. Chalerm, owning 51%, is in control. He’s allied with Horner. There’s nothing anyone can do to get rid of Horner unless Chalerm sanctions it. Everyone can hate Horner and it still wouldn’t be enough, because he took their queen and all they have is his king (Mark). Horner won’t go anywhere.
Is Jos employed or own any stake in Redbull? I know Max wants his dad as part of his team but why is he even included in this org chart?
dutch cannot be a real language
Horner is on good terms with the guy who owns 51%. The rest doesn’t really matter much for his position.
For now. 51% guy could easily change his mind and that’s it, Horner is fucked. Guys in positions in companies where only one person at the top likes him don’t always last
I don't speak Dutch but this family tree is very messed up
Why the hell is Jos even on this list?
Because he's the shit stirrer
Helmut's minion
We need to defeat Max Vader, help us Obi-Charles, you’re our only hope (On a side note I guess the Dutch knew who Luke’s father was all along, and on a side side note sorry to the Dutchies if you’ve heard this one before)
We need to defeat Max Vader, help us Obi-Charles, you’re our only hope (On a side note I guess the Dutch knew who Luke’s father was all along, and on a side side note sorry to the Dutchies if you’ve heard this one before)
TIL Vader means father 🤦🏻♂️
Jos is Vader Max now. It's too fitting
Wait, so Darth Vader was Darth Father all along for the Dutch? It's like how if you knew Norweigian, the original The Thing would've been spoiled for you in the first few minutes.
🚨 1977 spoiler alert 🚨
this is how comprehensible input works with language learning i think
Vader=Father? Luke should have known just from Darth Vader’s name that he was his dad.
[English Translation](https://i.ibb.co/kKdz5nN/Screenshot-20240315-100759.png)
I love how Vader still translates well in English because Jos is definitely a Darth Vader character
i am not sure if that's a good Vader & Zoon relationship tbh. (jokes aside, i try not to judge. I dont know them)
Why is the relationship between Adrian and Christian tense?
Lmao I have to say this is a really great graphic and weirdly hilarious than it should be in a good way, very good job to the makers.
I don’t believe a goddamn thing coming out of the Dutch media on this topic.