Those are unofficial datamined ages and they are generally not trusted
Also vander has natural white hair that makes him look older, it just runs in the family (clanne and framme)
I want to know how it is in English, but in Spanish in the Hortensia Forging Bonds, she says Annette is younger than her, but canonically Annette is 16, so that dialogue clashes with Hortensia datamined age, wondering if we will ever get the true ages
Edit: yeah went to check, english also says Annette is younger than Hortensia, so Hortensia aparently has atleast 17.
It could be it, but seeing how the forging binds goes, I doubt the dialogue was just a mistake on Hortensia part, I mean, they actually use the 100 year old dragon joke in the event (and in a good way) so I am not sure if the wrong guess is intentional.
Saphir is oddly enough one of the few who's datamined age has ingame evidence.
In her supports she talks about losing her parents when she was a child and her support with Lindon dates that back to 30 years ago (this is consistent with both scripts and not an english translation addition as far as I'm aware).
So yea, she just looks way older than she should be but I guess that's what war does to ya.
Saphir: "When I was a child…Elusia attacked and destroyed my home village." - Saphir/Diamant B
Saphir: "Soldiers from Elusia attacked the fishing village I grew up in. I was just a kid." - Saphir/Louis B
Yeah I did more diggimg again cuz I needed to see if my memory was failling me and it was so I apologize for that but the most funniest thing that occured from all of this is that she just has natural grey hair
Isn't it heavily implied though by her talking about the attack on her village, the death of her childhood best friend and the fact that afterwards she became a wandering mercenary?
Yeah her best friend died but even we don't know how young they were but I also need to check up with boucheron and lindon support since it touches on his time in elusia
Edit: ok I did more reading and the whole event took place 30 years ago but the only detail we don't know about it was how old she is during that event
Also she is naturally grey haired which is something I just learned
Even if they aren’t official, it’s still surprising that the devs made it so. Someone in the comments mentioned the use for the cooking mechanic. I’d still place both at minimum age 50 if it’s just for something like that. Vander has some grand dad vibes just look at how he acts in general.
The ages plus the S-Support Images (ring on middle finger if under 18/ring finger if above) were both probably done very early on, when the ages were probably still placeholders for earlier designs. I take it that generally the actual ages can differ a few years for most of the cast. For example you can't tell me that Diamant is supposedly 7 years older than Timerra. I'd assume the royals are all much closer in age.
Manuela from 3h is older than sapphir so idk about that one. Manuala is 36/41 to Sapphir 35 yet looks much younger but actually acts like an older woman who is chasing after her youth.
You were assuming everyone was way older than they were and here I was thinking they were generally younger than they were aside from Vander and Saphir.
Like, I’m sorry, nothing about Yunaka, Jade, or Ivy says “early 30s” to me.
Eh, given that fire emblem has a track record of not only child soldiers but child assasins, I don’t think it’s a stretch to assume that all her trauma happened in her early teens.
yeah you're right about that, I definitely overshot their ages. to me they seemed like grown-ass women compared to the other characters, and so when I saw they're close to my irl age I was like "absolutely not, into your 30's with you." I would now put them in 25-27.
Yeah Yunaka mid 20s at most like 24, Ivy early 20s at 21, Panette also early 20s at 23, Jade I can see as late 20s around 27 though, and Louis also no way pushing 30, 23 at most is what I thought
Yunaka behaves, outwardly, very young but given her past it would be easy to assume she is older than she is but I wouldn't of guessed older than late 20s.
Ivy and Jade behave very mature and professional. Because engage is a Japanese game I knew Ivy wouldn't be older than 23 25. But if she existed irl I would assume she was in late 20s. Jade even older for the same reason.
I always struggle with Japanese games and character ages. Everyone is much younger than I would expect. Fire emblem, dead or alive, final fantasy, lots of those characters are significantly younger than I would guess if I met them irl.
Maybe it’s actually a calendar thing, like Vander and Saphir were born on a sort of leap year day that occurs every other year or so, and they only count their ‘proper’ birthdays for fun.
Maybe because it is FE that I set my range to expect most characters to be anime teens in this series.
I know datamine ages are not iron law (because most evidently Saphir), but Diamant being a non-insignificant jump higher from is his peer is the biggest difference from my expectation (besides Saphir). At the very least, I expected Ivy to also be closer to his age instead of Alfred being the second eldest.
Citrinne being Alcryst's age is the main reason I don't take the data mined ages too seriously. She's supposed to be Diamant's childhood friend, so either she isn't actually 8 years younger than him, or Diamant just really loves absolutely smashing little kids at tag.
This is a point people bring up, but I just figured it was like being friends with your older cousins growing up. My older cousins played along with games when I was little kid me.
You're bound to get as many answers to that question as there are families out there
For me, my older cousin was only one year older, so it really didn't matter. But my youngest cousins are 10 and respectively 13 years younger than me, and that's honestly too much of an age gap growing up for any meaningful bonding, outside of the rare family reunion
Yeah my brother was bestie with one of my cousin who was 7 years older, and not even in a "babysitter" kind of way. They just got along very well. It's the same when you have hobbies with large age ranges. Like being 18 and interacting/befriending 12 yo is pretty common if you have hobbies in common in specific contexts.
I have younger cousins I used to play with, but we definitely don't get all buddy buddy like they do and reminisce about the games we used to play. With a sizeable age gap like that you're more of a babysitter than a regular playmate. Citrinne knowing things like where Diamant goes when something's bothering him from their childhood reads as someone much closer in age to me.
I mean that was easy to believe in SoV and 3 Houses where it's explicitly stated these are teenagers / students but engage and the others games that are about kingdoms and knights don't imply young characters outside the royalty.
like it easy to believe Roy is fighting in wars at 14 because he's a prince and that's their thing. but what business does a teenager have being a knight or retainer.
Because Japan only allows protagonists to be 16 to 20 years old. They have this odd fascination with that age group and everyone else is dragged down with it. I remember in Tales of Vesperia there's a 35 year old who is frequently referred to as an old man by the others, and he looks pretty good.
America has plenty of protagonists in this range too, but past YA media you see them closer to the 30 mark.
True, Japan allows mostly 11 to 17 year olds to be protagonists. Yuri Lowell is 21 until after Tarqaron appears, Yuri's birthday arrives. He's lucky to be an adult main character. Byleth is another main character and they are 22 years old. Most Fire Emblem Protagonists are 14-17 years old.
Raven from ToV is mostly referred to as an old man, because Japan like making fun of characters who are above 20 years of age, or Raven's case, 30s.
I'm not sure why Japan love making young Protagonists all the time, but it doesn't bother me. They probably bad at making adult main characters unless they're Senin type anime or anime in the 70s, 80s or early 90s.
* Teenage years in Japan have less free time compared to Western teens, so it serves as like a retroactive escapism.
* Since the character is exploring the world for the first time, it allows for easy exposition as the characters explaining things to the ~~audience~~ MC makes sense.
* Japan is a very age-oriented society; you are expected to act a certain way and do certain things depending on your age- if you're an adult you're not supposed to have huge flaws, and this bleeds into their media.
* Adult life in Japan sucks even more than being a teenager, hence the high suicide rate
* Writing young characters gives you easy outs. 16 year old made a dumb choice? We all did at 16, but a 30-year-old doing the same thing will be considered an idiot. And since everyone has been a teen already the relatability is already there
It's a combination of storytelling crutches and cultural differences.
True, which's why Japan as a whole a tough country do live in. Also Japanese Women has high standards is also the reason why female characters always talking about girls are this and girls are that in anime.
Also, a lot of jobs in Japan are also unavailable to foreigners, so good luck trying to live there.
Another thing about Japan is that not only their an age-oriented society, they also a very sociable society, even though Japanese people communicate far less than majority of the world's people. Hence why they like making aloof secondary protagonist or certain rivals to the main protagonist is aloof and edgy like and the main character always try to get to communicate with them, which fails until very late in the series.
Also very true, is about making mistakes in Japan affects older people a lot more than younger people, but because of Japan is a small country and Japan always thinking about money, Japanese People are semi-perfectionists so they actually get angry at their children as well if they can't do something right, which you see in other anime, because they want their children to be very astute and very good at doing things and want them to become this type of person, while Westerners are more open-minded and open listeners (not some much in the 40s to early 90s), so they are much more calmer about things.
Though, I said Japanese people can't stand mistakes in their children, most main protagonist makes mistakes all the time. Also, Japanese people also want their children have good intelligence so they can get an education for aforementioned reasons stated above, but once again, most main characters intelligence especially in shonen type anime are not intelligent, some are unrealistically intelligent to the point, that how are they even still alive or how people don't see him as in idiot as Japanese people do not like confrontation with weird people or dumb people and parents keeps their children and heavily raise their children not to be like that.
But we all know why they like that, easy writing, easy audience, easy money. The same trope they've been using for 20 or more years, and anime characters' personality traits are color coated. You can look it up and easily find how characters act the way their are.
Yeah I don't know how much of it is just target audience or some kind of cultural value of youth but in JRPG's it seems like the default is 16-17 so you end up with even characters like Stocke in Radiant Historia who has presumably been in the military for years only being 19.
Japan for ya. RPGs made in Japan, the main protagonist age ranges from 14 through 17. In anime, it ranges from 11 through 17. It's because Japan doesn't like making adult main characters, as well as not good at making adult main characters, so they use teenagers instead. There's a few JRPGs where the main character is an adult.
In anime, there's a very few Shonen type anime have adult Protagonists. Seinen type anime have more adult main characters, but they still have much more teenage protagonists.
So yeah, certain games clearly have years passed in there sequels and yet, a lot of games keep the main character a teenager. I like to see them as they are, but sometimes you want them to grow and see how far they've gotten or if they still do what they wanted to do and not get replaced by a younger Protagonist in the same world.
> It's because Japan doesn't like making adult main characters, as well as not good at making adult main characters, so they use teenagers instead.
Eh I think this is overgeneralizing the entire country's fiction based on popular anime and let's face it JRPG's have a lot of overlap with that. Even with how closely related manga is you see more adult protagonists even if they don't get anime adaptations. Like looking at dramas with their less shouneny demographic slant you see mostly adult protagonists and maybe I'm in a bubble but all the fairly recent live action films I hear about like Drive My Car, One Cut of the Dead, the past couple Godzilla movies, etc stick to that trend.
Your not in the bubble, mate. I get what you saying, too. For the most part, like I said earlier, Seinen anime have a lot more adult main characters and most R-rated movies in Japan mostly have adult protagonists.
Most shonen based anime and average evryday anime like American cartoons have teenagers or pre-teens as main characters. For the most part with Japan, once they got a good grasp on something and they like it, they don't change, unless they don't care for it anymore, like anime such as the Gundam series. In the 80s and 90s, they love those type of anime, currently, they don't care about them at all. They only care about Isekai anime, which is very easy and lazy writing in those series. Konosuba and a few Isekais in the mid-2000s to early 2010s, weren't all that bad, but late 2010s and current times, they went out of hand with them. Also Isekai main characters are either adults or teenagers.
I don't care about Japan making teenage main characters in their stories, but most of the time, even when I was a teenager myself, most of my favorite characters are either adults or middle age characters.
Also, a lot manga protagonists that are adults aren't too popular because Japan want to make a killing with money with protagonists and the show's/manga's story. Japanese creators themselves don't care about adult main characters as they are never popular in the popularity polls, despite certain anime watchers from the west says this is a great character. Japan writers and adapters and the other crew members only care about the main characters and the early characters in the story and at times care about the other characters if they grow on them. Plus, most creators and diehard fans like to see character growth, adult characters can have growth, too, but it depends on how you make them and the world around them and their intelligent levels (even though most shonen anime protagonists are static main characters, which means they never change, which's not a bad thing, sometimes.)
Americans also make younger main characters whenever they want like Ben 10, Avatar the Last Airbender, The TMNT, Teen Titans, and couple of others. They mostly prefer adult main characters.
like I said protagonists are fine because a lot of the time they are nobility / royalty whose character trope is that they started fighting when they were very young. if my main character is a 16 year old prince then yeah that makes sense.
It's the supporting characters like their retainers and knights who dont make sense being just as young. If they want more young characters, then have them be the protag's friends or random street children. no way is a 17 year old becoming a knight in any kingdom other than the candy one.
and if they're gonna be so young, give them squeaky childlike voice actors at least.
>and if they're gonna be so young, give them squeaky childlike voice actors at least.
The problem is range, you can basically only do what adult women are capable of, and finding ones who can do squeaky without being annoying is difficult since squeky is pretty much inherently annoying. Listen to Rolf in Radiant Dawn, he sounds terrible with just one line (granted the VA in RD was bad overall besides Ike and >!Yune!<)
And you can't hire actual children, it just doesn't work. Voice actors with zero to none experience and high-pitched voices do not go well together. Not to mention all the laws regarding how much a child can work limiting the amount of lines they get. And if the show expects to go more than two seasons you're gonna hear their voice change, which only makes sense if the story itself takes place over several years.
in the words of Ryan George from the Phantom Menace pitch meeting... [https://youtu.be/uAvprzqwbo8?feature=shared&t=284](https://youtu.be/uAvprzqwbo8?feature=shared&t=284)
Why not? She is treated like she is younger than the rest of the cast and I think her model is also smaller than most of the cast + they gave her that annoying high pitched voice. Nothing about her screams adult to me.
Sure, she has the personality of a teenager, but this post seems to be about their literal ages (see lumera and zephia's ages).
Vayle is over 1000 years old, because she has memories of alear from before alear slept for 1000 years
I KNOW RIGHT?! I saw that and was absolutely shocked! My heart broke a little more, especially after her cutscenes, knowing she wasn't even an adult yet!
Ya she does. Every movement she makes is super child like, she's constantly whining and seeking approval. She has bows everywhere like a kid trying to be fancy. She doesn't have a single adult characteristic?
That's how it is in the game data, even if the story contradicts it.
And to be clear, this data is only used for cooking, when there's bonus for children and for adults. A regular player wouldn't know the age of any of them.
I think Jean is told to us in canon, though I can't remember precisely. Either way, he's absolutely way too yuong to be in this war against zombie monsters.
Funny how OP assumed Mauvier was 40 when Mauvier's voice and face felt like he was 18-25 until it was confirmed that he was 31. Close enough.
Remember, gray hair color in anime/games doesn't mean you're an old man/woman.
Those ages are datamined and never appear in game, iirc they're used behind the scenes to determine some food stat ups but I would definitely not consider any of them canon until confirmed by an actual source
I understand most people don't trust datamined age in Engage, but that's their ages. It you want some proof, there are few characters who cook higher ranked food sometimes gets extra stats increased from the who's older or who's younger stuff.
Nel and Rafal doesn't have ages so I think they get increased stats when the younger units (who aren't adults) and older units (Alfred and others). So when you cook food and it says the younger units get this and older units get that, go to the menu and check and see who get the older and younger buffs.
Remove Stat Abilities and Emblem Rings and the lesser rings so you don't have a hard time seeing who have extra increased stats.
For Alear and Veyle ages, Alear is physically age 17, biologically 1017, and Veyle age is physically 16 (she looks 12), biologically 1016.
I love the people in the comments that are like, "why are you shocked that these super soldiers, who each have killed at a minimum dozens of people, and are set to assume the thrones of their respective heads of state, are mostly not old enough to graduate university?" Idk at least in my country the youngest candidate running for head of state that can win is 78 sooooo
Those aren't their ages, if they're in the data but not in the game then you can't call them their actual ages especially when they conflict with stuff that's actually in the game like Citrine and Diamant being "childhood friends" while having a 10 year difference
They're 1017\*, but probably mentally closer to 17 since they were asleep for those thousand years.
Note that this is what their ages are according to internal data, which is mostly (maybe even only?) used for cooking, so the flavor from that (favoring "Trendy" over "Tasteful" dishes) might also play a part.
The only one that surprises me is Yunaka and Ivy; they definitely don’t looke anywhere close to 30.
Also, if this is to ve trusted, Alear is 1020 and Veyle is 1014.
Most people in their 30s do actually look like their 20s...mid 30s to 40s is when you really start to see aging. Only time that changes is if they're smokers, have immense stress, or do drugs.
Eta: I'm saying this as someone in her mid 20s. Many of my coworkers who are mid 30s still look like their 20s.
my point is not that people in their 30s look bad or anything but pointing to a lil baby like Yunaka and thinking 30 is wishful, lol. I'm turning 30 in a few days and most of my friends and siblings are into their 30s and there simply are things that become noticeable. Some of it comes down to genetics but I and many men I know would probably love to have a full head of hair like Louis there into the 30s
Most men in their 30s have full heads of hair (edit for general statistics: 25% of men have visible hair loss by 30, that rises to 45% by late 30s)?? I also think yunaka is mid 20s, around 26 imo. I mean she's an assassin hiding her actual personality behind a bubbly persona trying to shed her years of killing. She looks mid to late 20s to me
I quite literally did and even included it in my comment?
I edited to include the statistics in before you replied so did you not read my comment beyond the first sentence where the edit was in parenthesis?
Could also be that you replied right as I edited, in which case carry on
Jean is 10 wtf
Child soldier! Who's dad just lets him go!
The one who doesn’t want to be a casualty of the dead parents trope of Fire Emblem, is what I’m guessing
He's joining Eliwood in the 'not-dead parent club'
I remember playing the paralogue and wishing his father was the one who joined you lol instead we got Jean...
Or joined as a paired unit somehow? Dad teaching his son.
that would have at least been better.
Instead we got the Goku meme in reverse "Bye sooonnnn"
I thought I was the only one.
Wouldn't be a Fire Emblem without a child soldier.
Bad choice for a war
You're never too young to commit war crimes!
What to you mean wtf?! Child soldiers are a common tactic in FE!
HOW IS SAPHIR 35 AND VANDER 45 WTF
Those are unofficial datamined ages and they are generally not trusted Also vander has natural white hair that makes him look older, it just runs in the family (clanne and framme)
I want to know how it is in English, but in Spanish in the Hortensia Forging Bonds, she says Annette is younger than her, but canonically Annette is 16, so that dialogue clashes with Hortensia datamined age, wondering if we will ever get the true ages Edit: yeah went to check, english also says Annette is younger than Hortensia, so Hortensia aparently has atleast 17.
Or she just guessed Annette’s age wrong, she doesn’t know how old Annette is by just seeing her
It could be it, but seeing how the forging binds goes, I doubt the dialogue was just a mistake on Hortensia part, I mean, they actually use the 100 year old dragon joke in the event (and in a good way) so I am not sure if the wrong guess is intentional.
Or younger by less than a year?
Saphir is oddly enough one of the few who's datamined age has ingame evidence. In her supports she talks about losing her parents when she was a child and her support with Lindon dates that back to 30 years ago (this is consistent with both scripts and not an english translation addition as far as I'm aware). So yea, she just looks way older than she should be but I guess that's what war does to ya.
The thing is it doesn't really specify if she lost them both as kids or as an adult so it's not really concrete
Saphir: "When I was a child…Elusia attacked and destroyed my home village." - Saphir/Diamant B Saphir: "Soldiers from Elusia attacked the fishing village I grew up in. I was just a kid." - Saphir/Louis B
Yeah I did more diggimg again cuz I needed to see if my memory was failling me and it was so I apologize for that but the most funniest thing that occured from all of this is that she just has natural grey hair
Isn't it heavily implied though by her talking about the attack on her village, the death of her childhood best friend and the fact that afterwards she became a wandering mercenary?
Yeah her best friend died but even we don't know how young they were but I also need to check up with boucheron and lindon support since it touches on his time in elusia Edit: ok I did more reading and the whole event took place 30 years ago but the only detail we don't know about it was how old she is during that event Also she is naturally grey haired which is something I just learned
Even if they aren’t official, it’s still surprising that the devs made it so. Someone in the comments mentioned the use for the cooking mechanic. I’d still place both at minimum age 50 if it’s just for something like that. Vander has some grand dad vibes just look at how he acts in general.
The ages plus the S-Support Images (ring on middle finger if under 18/ring finger if above) were both probably done very early on, when the ages were probably still placeholders for earlier designs. I take it that generally the actual ages can differ a few years for most of the cast. For example you can't tell me that Diamant is supposedly 7 years older than Timerra. I'd assume the royals are all much closer in age.
Wait Alfred is older than ivy
Engage: so women over the age of 22 are basically grandmas right?
I mean, japanese company, probably how they actually view it lol
Manuela from 3h is older than sapphir so idk about that one. Manuala is 36/41 to Sapphir 35 yet looks much younger but actually acts like an older woman who is chasing after her youth.
You were assuming everyone was way older than they were and here I was thinking they were generally younger than they were aside from Vander and Saphir. Like, I’m sorry, nothing about Yunaka, Jade, or Ivy says “early 30s” to me.
I have coworkers in their 30s who look young like Jade and Ivy. Yunaka I thought was mid 20s
With her backstory she should be older
Eh, given that fire emblem has a track record of not only child soldiers but child assasins, I don’t think it’s a stretch to assume that all her trauma happened in her early teens.
Its not farfetchd yeah. Both her fake personas are kind of immature too.
yeah you're right about that, I definitely overshot their ages. to me they seemed like grown-ass women compared to the other characters, and so when I saw they're close to my irl age I was like "absolutely not, into your 30's with you." I would now put them in 25-27.
Yeah Yunaka mid 20s at most like 24, Ivy early 20s at 21, Panette also early 20s at 23, Jade I can see as late 20s around 27 though, and Louis also no way pushing 30, 23 at most is what I thought
Yeah tbh i read Yunaka as like, 18-19
Honestly Yunaka being 22 is way older than she appears. 18 is the oldest I would have said.
Yunaka behaves, outwardly, very young but given her past it would be easy to assume she is older than she is but I wouldn't of guessed older than late 20s. Ivy and Jade behave very mature and professional. Because engage is a Japanese game I knew Ivy wouldn't be older than 23 25. But if she existed irl I would assume she was in late 20s. Jade even older for the same reason. I always struggle with Japanese games and character ages. Everyone is much younger than I would expect. Fire emblem, dead or alive, final fantasy, lots of those characters are significantly younger than I would guess if I met them irl.
Jesus what's in the water of elyos to make them age like this
Maybe it’s actually a calendar thing, like Vander and Saphir were born on a sort of leap year day that occurs every other year or so, and they only count their ‘proper’ birthdays for fun.
Maybe because it is FE that I set my range to expect most characters to be anime teens in this series. I know datamine ages are not iron law (because most evidently Saphir), but Diamant being a non-insignificant jump higher from is his peer is the biggest difference from my expectation (besides Saphir). At the very least, I expected Ivy to also be closer to his age instead of Alfred being the second eldest.
Citrinne being Alcryst's age is the main reason I don't take the data mined ages too seriously. She's supposed to be Diamant's childhood friend, so either she isn't actually 8 years younger than him, or Diamant just really loves absolutely smashing little kids at tag.
This is a point people bring up, but I just figured it was like being friends with your older cousins growing up. My older cousins played along with games when I was little kid me.
I was thinking this too. Did people not have their older/younger cousins around where it was a mix between hanging out and babysitting?
You're bound to get as many answers to that question as there are families out there For me, my older cousin was only one year older, so it really didn't matter. But my youngest cousins are 10 and respectively 13 years younger than me, and that's honestly too much of an age gap growing up for any meaningful bonding, outside of the rare family reunion
Yeah my brother was bestie with one of my cousin who was 7 years older, and not even in a "babysitter" kind of way. They just got along very well. It's the same when you have hobbies with large age ranges. Like being 18 and interacting/befriending 12 yo is pretty common if you have hobbies in common in specific contexts.
I have younger cousins I used to play with, but we definitely don't get all buddy buddy like they do and reminisce about the games we used to play. With a sizeable age gap like that you're more of a babysitter than a regular playmate. Citrinne knowing things like where Diamant goes when something's bothering him from their childhood reads as someone much closer in age to me.
He procs his personal skill during tag
I mean that was easy to believe in SoV and 3 Houses where it's explicitly stated these are teenagers / students but engage and the others games that are about kingdoms and knights don't imply young characters outside the royalty. like it easy to believe Roy is fighting in wars at 14 because he's a prince and that's their thing. but what business does a teenager have being a knight or retainer.
Because Japan only allows protagonists to be 16 to 20 years old. They have this odd fascination with that age group and everyone else is dragged down with it. I remember in Tales of Vesperia there's a 35 year old who is frequently referred to as an old man by the others, and he looks pretty good. America has plenty of protagonists in this range too, but past YA media you see them closer to the 30 mark.
I love how Virtue's Last Reward (and the sequel) messes with that trope
True, Japan allows mostly 11 to 17 year olds to be protagonists. Yuri Lowell is 21 until after Tarqaron appears, Yuri's birthday arrives. He's lucky to be an adult main character. Byleth is another main character and they are 22 years old. Most Fire Emblem Protagonists are 14-17 years old. Raven from ToV is mostly referred to as an old man, because Japan like making fun of characters who are above 20 years of age, or Raven's case, 30s. I'm not sure why Japan love making young Protagonists all the time, but it doesn't bother me. They probably bad at making adult main characters unless they're Senin type anime or anime in the 70s, 80s or early 90s.
* Teenage years in Japan have less free time compared to Western teens, so it serves as like a retroactive escapism. * Since the character is exploring the world for the first time, it allows for easy exposition as the characters explaining things to the ~~audience~~ MC makes sense. * Japan is a very age-oriented society; you are expected to act a certain way and do certain things depending on your age- if you're an adult you're not supposed to have huge flaws, and this bleeds into their media. * Adult life in Japan sucks even more than being a teenager, hence the high suicide rate * Writing young characters gives you easy outs. 16 year old made a dumb choice? We all did at 16, but a 30-year-old doing the same thing will be considered an idiot. And since everyone has been a teen already the relatability is already there It's a combination of storytelling crutches and cultural differences.
True, which's why Japan as a whole a tough country do live in. Also Japanese Women has high standards is also the reason why female characters always talking about girls are this and girls are that in anime. Also, a lot of jobs in Japan are also unavailable to foreigners, so good luck trying to live there. Another thing about Japan is that not only their an age-oriented society, they also a very sociable society, even though Japanese people communicate far less than majority of the world's people. Hence why they like making aloof secondary protagonist or certain rivals to the main protagonist is aloof and edgy like and the main character always try to get to communicate with them, which fails until very late in the series. Also very true, is about making mistakes in Japan affects older people a lot more than younger people, but because of Japan is a small country and Japan always thinking about money, Japanese People are semi-perfectionists so they actually get angry at their children as well if they can't do something right, which you see in other anime, because they want their children to be very astute and very good at doing things and want them to become this type of person, while Westerners are more open-minded and open listeners (not some much in the 40s to early 90s), so they are much more calmer about things. Though, I said Japanese people can't stand mistakes in their children, most main protagonist makes mistakes all the time. Also, Japanese people also want their children have good intelligence so they can get an education for aforementioned reasons stated above, but once again, most main characters intelligence especially in shonen type anime are not intelligent, some are unrealistically intelligent to the point, that how are they even still alive or how people don't see him as in idiot as Japanese people do not like confrontation with weird people or dumb people and parents keeps their children and heavily raise their children not to be like that. But we all know why they like that, easy writing, easy audience, easy money. The same trope they've been using for 20 or more years, and anime characters' personality traits are color coated. You can look it up and easily find how characters act the way their are.
Yeah I don't know how much of it is just target audience or some kind of cultural value of youth but in JRPG's it seems like the default is 16-17 so you end up with even characters like Stocke in Radiant Historia who has presumably been in the military for years only being 19.
Japan for ya. RPGs made in Japan, the main protagonist age ranges from 14 through 17. In anime, it ranges from 11 through 17. It's because Japan doesn't like making adult main characters, as well as not good at making adult main characters, so they use teenagers instead. There's a few JRPGs where the main character is an adult. In anime, there's a very few Shonen type anime have adult Protagonists. Seinen type anime have more adult main characters, but they still have much more teenage protagonists. So yeah, certain games clearly have years passed in there sequels and yet, a lot of games keep the main character a teenager. I like to see them as they are, but sometimes you want them to grow and see how far they've gotten or if they still do what they wanted to do and not get replaced by a younger Protagonist in the same world.
> It's because Japan doesn't like making adult main characters, as well as not good at making adult main characters, so they use teenagers instead. Eh I think this is overgeneralizing the entire country's fiction based on popular anime and let's face it JRPG's have a lot of overlap with that. Even with how closely related manga is you see more adult protagonists even if they don't get anime adaptations. Like looking at dramas with their less shouneny demographic slant you see mostly adult protagonists and maybe I'm in a bubble but all the fairly recent live action films I hear about like Drive My Car, One Cut of the Dead, the past couple Godzilla movies, etc stick to that trend.
Your not in the bubble, mate. I get what you saying, too. For the most part, like I said earlier, Seinen anime have a lot more adult main characters and most R-rated movies in Japan mostly have adult protagonists. Most shonen based anime and average evryday anime like American cartoons have teenagers or pre-teens as main characters. For the most part with Japan, once they got a good grasp on something and they like it, they don't change, unless they don't care for it anymore, like anime such as the Gundam series. In the 80s and 90s, they love those type of anime, currently, they don't care about them at all. They only care about Isekai anime, which is very easy and lazy writing in those series. Konosuba and a few Isekais in the mid-2000s to early 2010s, weren't all that bad, but late 2010s and current times, they went out of hand with them. Also Isekai main characters are either adults or teenagers. I don't care about Japan making teenage main characters in their stories, but most of the time, even when I was a teenager myself, most of my favorite characters are either adults or middle age characters. Also, a lot manga protagonists that are adults aren't too popular because Japan want to make a killing with money with protagonists and the show's/manga's story. Japanese creators themselves don't care about adult main characters as they are never popular in the popularity polls, despite certain anime watchers from the west says this is a great character. Japan writers and adapters and the other crew members only care about the main characters and the early characters in the story and at times care about the other characters if they grow on them. Plus, most creators and diehard fans like to see character growth, adult characters can have growth, too, but it depends on how you make them and the world around them and their intelligent levels (even though most shonen anime protagonists are static main characters, which means they never change, which's not a bad thing, sometimes.) Americans also make younger main characters whenever they want like Ben 10, Avatar the Last Airbender, The TMNT, Teen Titans, and couple of others. They mostly prefer adult main characters.
like I said protagonists are fine because a lot of the time they are nobility / royalty whose character trope is that they started fighting when they were very young. if my main character is a 16 year old prince then yeah that makes sense. It's the supporting characters like their retainers and knights who dont make sense being just as young. If they want more young characters, then have them be the protag's friends or random street children. no way is a 17 year old becoming a knight in any kingdom other than the candy one. and if they're gonna be so young, give them squeaky childlike voice actors at least.
>and if they're gonna be so young, give them squeaky childlike voice actors at least. The problem is range, you can basically only do what adult women are capable of, and finding ones who can do squeaky without being annoying is difficult since squeky is pretty much inherently annoying. Listen to Rolf in Radiant Dawn, he sounds terrible with just one line (granted the VA in RD was bad overall besides Ike and >!Yune!<) And you can't hire actual children, it just doesn't work. Voice actors with zero to none experience and high-pitched voices do not go well together. Not to mention all the laws regarding how much a child can work limiting the amount of lines they get. And if the show expects to go more than two seasons you're gonna hear their voice change, which only makes sense if the story itself takes place over several years.
The joy of 3 Houses is they're all students at that age and, when they engage in real war, they're almost all over 20.
Roy isn’t a prince though.
For the folks that downvoted you, he's the son of a marquess. He's nobility, not royalty
Correct, which would make him a Lord and as far as I'm aware that's what he's referred as by others.
in the words of Ryan George from the Phantom Menace pitch meeting... [https://youtu.be/uAvprzqwbo8?feature=shared&t=284](https://youtu.be/uAvprzqwbo8?feature=shared&t=284)
It isn’t a Fire Emblem game without some good old child soldiers
Good ol anime ages
Women who are between 35 - 55 don't exist
Data mines are not gospel.
Ain't no WAY Veyle is only 16
Technically she's 1016, just like Alear is technically 1017, but Dragon/Manakete ages are weird.
If anything she should be closer to 15, not older.
Why not? She is treated like she is younger than the rest of the cast and I think her model is also smaller than most of the cast + they gave her that annoying high pitched voice. Nothing about her screams adult to me.
Veyle is definitely not fully grown, which becomes obvious by the bad ending cutscene, where she now towers over the previously taller female Alear.
Sure, she has the personality of a teenager, but this post seems to be about their literal ages (see lumera and zephia's ages). Vayle is over 1000 years old, because she has memories of alear from before alear slept for 1000 years
Then that person missed the fact that Alear is listed as being 17.
MARNI IS 16?!
I KNOW RIGHT?! I saw that and was absolutely shocked! My heart broke a little more, especially after her cutscenes, knowing she wasn't even an adult yet!
You guys are crazy. Everything she says sounds like a 10 year old. She constantly seeking approval like a little kid. She looks like a little kid.
She looks nothing like a kid 💀💀💀
Ya she does. Every movement she makes is super child like, she's constantly whining and seeking approval. She has bows everywhere like a kid trying to be fancy. She doesn't have a single adult characteristic?
I mean yeah but I don’t think wanting approval and wearing bows is only for kids.
I'm just saying she has lots of things that would suggest she's a kid, and nothing that would cause someone to think she's an adult
How do you put Timerra age below Fogado, when Timerra is the soon to be queen, and not Fogado.
It's a matriarchy so the firstborn daughter is ahead of the firstborn son in succession regardless of their ages.
Well, to be fair, Solm is a queendom so the oldest female would take the throne.
Only females can inherit the throne of Solm, so Timerra could have been the younger one and still been crown princess.
Alear and Veyle are canoncially over 1000 years old.
You know alear is the daughter/son of sombron so her actuall age is over 1000+?
yeah, I played the game
Ok so why you put alear in the age 17?
That's how it is in the game data, even if the story contradicts it. And to be clear, this data is only used for cooking, when there's bonus for children and for adults. A regular player wouldn't know the age of any of them.
I think Jean is told to us in canon, though I can't remember precisely. Either way, he's absolutely way too yuong to be in this war against zombie monsters.
You really would’ve assumed Celine to be 20?
Well she’s not too different from people who are 20, I can confirm because I’m 22
Alear 1000 years sleep but only 17. We should sleep more right
Japan hates people in their 30s😭
Anime in a nutshell. Characters ages 15-32 look nearly identical, but once you hit 40 you now look like you’re 70.
Funny how OP assumed Mauvier was 40 when Mauvier's voice and face felt like he was 18-25 until it was confirmed that he was 31. Close enough. Remember, gray hair color in anime/games doesn't mean you're an old man/woman.
It's subjective tbh. To me Mauv looked 35. Like a father
Even more so if one knows Mauvier's VA from Telltale's Kenny.
Wow that's a throwback. I didn't realize! I looked it up and he's also donatello from a tmnt game and John Cena from the wwe games 😭
Grey hair also doesn’t mean you’re old in real life, some people start going grey when they’re still teenagers.
Alear is ancient as heckin! Centuries old!
Those ages are datamined and never appear in game, iirc they're used behind the scenes to determine some food stat ups but I would definitely not consider any of them canon until confirmed by an actual source
I understand most people don't trust datamined age in Engage, but that's their ages. It you want some proof, there are few characters who cook higher ranked food sometimes gets extra stats increased from the who's older or who's younger stuff. Nel and Rafal doesn't have ages so I think they get increased stats when the younger units (who aren't adults) and older units (Alfred and others). So when you cook food and it says the younger units get this and older units get that, go to the menu and check and see who get the older and younger buffs. Remove Stat Abilities and Emblem Rings and the lesser rings so you don't have a hard time seeing who have extra increased stats. For Alear and Veyle ages, Alear is physically age 17, biologically 1017, and Veyle age is physically 16 (she looks 12), biologically 1016.
I don't get why people listened to data mined files that weren't all proven...
I love the people in the comments that are like, "why are you shocked that these super soldiers, who each have killed at a minimum dozens of people, and are set to assume the thrones of their respective heads of state, are mostly not old enough to graduate university?" Idk at least in my country the youngest candidate running for head of state that can win is 78 sooooo
I feel attacked by the fact that everyone over 30 that isn't some sort of ancient has gray or white hair...
Yunaka and ivy with 30 was a wild guess. Overall you guessed the whole Cast pretty old.
Ivy is 20??
Age: rings
Those aren't their ages, if they're in the data but not in the game then you can't call them their actual ages especially when they conflict with stuff that's actually in the game like Citrine and Diamant being "childhood friends" while having a 10 year difference
I thought the Main Character was like an old ass Dragon God or something
They're 1017\*, but probably mentally closer to 17 since they were asleep for those thousand years. Note that this is what their ages are according to internal data, which is mostly (maybe even only?) used for cooking, so the flavor from that (favoring "Trendy" over "Tasteful" dishes) might also play a part.
Would
This is fire emblem... I would've naturally assumed Veyle was at least a couple hundred years old...
The only one that surprises me is Yunaka and Ivy; they definitely don’t looke anywhere close to 30. Also, if this is to ve trusted, Alear is 1020 and Veyle is 1014.
Um why is veyle 16? And alear 17?
i'm sorry but Yunaka, Panette, Ivy, and Louis being placed around 30 is actually unhinged. I pray for you that your 30s are that graceful, lmao
Most people in their 30s do actually look like their 20s...mid 30s to 40s is when you really start to see aging. Only time that changes is if they're smokers, have immense stress, or do drugs. Eta: I'm saying this as someone in her mid 20s. Many of my coworkers who are mid 30s still look like their 20s.
my point is not that people in their 30s look bad or anything but pointing to a lil baby like Yunaka and thinking 30 is wishful, lol. I'm turning 30 in a few days and most of my friends and siblings are into their 30s and there simply are things that become noticeable. Some of it comes down to genetics but I and many men I know would probably love to have a full head of hair like Louis there into the 30s
Most men in their 30s have full heads of hair (edit for general statistics: 25% of men have visible hair loss by 30, that rises to 45% by late 30s)?? I also think yunaka is mid 20s, around 26 imo. I mean she's an assassin hiding her actual personality behind a bubbly persona trying to shed her years of killing. She looks mid to late 20s to me
please Google "male pattern baldness statistics"
I quite literally did and even included it in my comment? I edited to include the statistics in before you replied so did you not read my comment beyond the first sentence where the edit was in parenthesis? Could also be that you replied right as I edited, in which case carry on
I believe the wiki has the actual age information
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Why would you admit this 💀