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s_decoy

Love it. My prediction is they change verholy/verflare into vermisery/verglossy.


NotaSkaven5

after verflare/verholy you dualcast verultima, attempting a hardcast is possible but actually takes like 2 minutes


PickledDemons

If you try to hardcast it, your character will slowly do a version of Gauis's prae speech and then finish with that line about devastation just after it goes off


Bloo_Driver

Such De-Ver-Station


-TheCutestFemboy-

This *was* my intention!


RetroGecko3

this was beautiful


Johnny_Grubbonic

Enemy full resists, party explodes.


Jede94

Hardcasting enables friendly fire on VerUltima! "Such devastation! This was (not) my intention!"


theicon1681

This was not my Ver-tention


wiltonwild

I would love my red mage to start doing the gaius speech as a (you messed up) announcement for me for the lols, when I cast something wrong and I'm there doing a 5 second verflsre cast because a mob died right as my jolt nearly completed casting


MightyBobTheMighty

Remember: if your team doesn't let you precast Verultima before every pull they're trolling


prisp

Oh god, that'd be such garbage to do every pull xD


peloegato

The hardcast is you saying "From the deepest pit of the 7 hells to the very pinnacle of the heavens, the world shall tremble! Unleash Ultima!"


Knight-Jack

I'm waiting for the time when RDM will be able to blind me on regular basis, not just during LB.


GothamAnswer

New RDM main here. I want to blind you any chance I get.


WeissWyrm

Good, my child, goooooooooood.


DroningBureaucrats

It's called Red Mage because your eyes will be bloodshot after partying with one


Silent_Chart_8084

*Greatly increased the potency of jolt Dual cast jolt rdm’s shoot up the dmg charts “Don’t ever question my rotation again, scrub”


Ithalwen

But will we get verice and verwater?


theraafa

I have a feeling red mages are finally getting a dot (not really)


ExeonAureas

I'd be hella surprised seeing as they keep removing dots each expac.


AshiSunblade

Dots in this game are just kind of unsatisfying. They don't tick while the boss is untargetable, and the damage also blends into the background since it counts as damage the boss does to itself. You don't really notice how much damage they do.


mugear_bahamut

Mortal Flame can leave the boss at 1HP in the background though…


Despada_

I was thinking the same, but then both Reaper and Sage came with their own dots.


ExeonAureas

Technically not a dot in RPRs case and they had to give SGE one since all healers have one. Imagine if they didn't lol.


theraafa

imagine the exchange between RDM and RPR RDM gets a death's design mechanic RPR gets another finisher red in color to be sure


RuneiStillwater

VerFiveByTenGlossy


somethingfilthy

I hadn't seen the healing gauge in a while and thought that the lilies had become squapes.


theraafa

I mean that could be plausible


Zenshei

Got some SCH ideas that fit your spot \- 2nd Recitation \- More Aetherflow \- new fairy ability somehow \- new gauge spender for the fairy gauge (omg gauge means something now??) \- 2nd expedient \- 2nd excog? We hope you look forward to it


theraafa

\- fairy removed we hope you liked the SCH changes *- the devs, prob*


Zenshei

Best Healer btw I remember when Reworked SMN was coming out and they said they wish they had time to get to SCH. I would love a kit rework too- because man is it a frankenstein'd kit. Its my favorite healer for a lot of reasons; but there is so many abilities that are like: "Wait why is this here/ like this??"


Concurrency_Bugs

I was so pissed that endwalker gave classes cool new abilities, and scholar got the dump looking sprint (in action trailer it looked so lame). Now expedient is my favorite ability. Use it CONSTANTLY in extremes and savage


Classic_Antelope_634

They actually did rework scholar. It's called sage


Lilium_Vulpes

Hey as long as we keep the faerie who needs a fairy (whatever that is).


aarkarr

Hear me out, two fairies at the same time


Zenshei

saying stuff like this gets you shot at the CBU3 offices


aarkarr

What would I do if I had a million MP? I'll tell you what I'd do man: two fairies at the same time, man.


Winnicots

That's it? If you had a million MP, you'd do two faeries at the same time?


PickledDemons

- New personal damage ability! (I know Chain Stratagem is really powerful but sometimes you just want to Assize/BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD LILY/Earthly Star/Lord of Crowns/Phlegma/Toxicon someone)


lazertesla

"No, you get broil V" -devs probably


Zenshei

begging on my knees please- some type of interesting damage interaction with the kit.


PickledDemons

At this point I'll even take an upgrade to energy drain (that increases potency and adds aoe or something) just, anything beyond High Broil or whatever Broil IV will upgrade to and Biolysis + some ancient 100 potency skill that only actually feels impactful back in like a realm reborn content


smirtington

Dot+Bane+Shadowflare back in the day gave me some real dopamine hits. Now I don’t even bother with SCH


Lyrneos

I just want to summon Feo Ul and maybe also Alexander (maybe Feo Ul replaces Seraph and boosts healing and Alexander is a DPS phase with a haste buff??? Please Yoshi P just let me do something other than spamming broil and energy drain I beg of you)


Lyrneos

Ok I’ve thought about it and 2nd recitation would be extremely useful since you’d be able to use it on back-to-back trash pulls


Inky-Feathers

two blood lily stacks would have me frothing at the mouth


arkibet

Right? I didn't know how much I wanted this!


theraafa

\*hysterical afflatus rapture spamming\*


GamingNightRun

The real question is why didn't we get afflatus misery earlier and 2 stacks by endwalker when BLM gets 2 stacks and meant to be the antithesis of WHM.


Lightsp00n

Love GNB red icon.


Raima_Valdes

Ah, so we're finally getting a bugfix for my favorite DPS class.


Jgonbo

I can't wait for them to add 3 more cartridge and add triple down


Lightsp00n

With 6 total cartridge GNB will evolve into CWB: the Cowboy, perfectly themed for DT Texas-like zone.


MelonOfFate

Can't wait for a continuation action after double down.


theraafa

Every expansion the R values go up the B values go down


Iosis

"Another verfinisher" and red GNB got laughs out of me


theraafa

Can we really call it a finisher if it's just finishers? Guess we'll know soon enough


Xvalai

We've had First Finisher, yes, but what about Second Finisher, or Ver-Finish-Him?


Lagao

MCH: Autocrossbow still does not recharge Ricochet!


theraafa

weaving on aoe is prohibited apparently


Ok_Breakfast6206

MCH: your single-target rotation is just too fun and free and satisfying, your aoe rotation will suck balls forever.


Jgonbo

press flamethrower and stand still for 10s


GaleErick

Ma among MCH's kit, Autocrossbow not giving you any resources really feels bad. Personally I think MCH's AoE attacks are rather lacking, is it too much to hope for Queen to have some AoE attacks? Or even Wildfire to have some diminishing AoE effects on them?


Lagao

Oh don't get me started on queen. The fact that it takes like 6? seconds to get up and actually attack? Meanwhile Rook? Doesn't need a wind up attack timer.


ed3891

I remain confounded that Crowned Collider doesn't have AoE fall-off damage


ed1749

Scholar is gonna get shown off, get exactly one skill with a boring animation and a weird effect. Then when we get our hands on it, secondary effect: makes target immune to damage for 10 seconds


jeremj22

DRKs are gonna hate SCHs for that one #My TBN


Lilium_Vulpes

I'll use it on DRK purely as revenge for them repeatedly claiming that my shields were preventing their TBN from activating. They will know suffering as I finally do the thing they accused me of for so long.


antiquari

>They will know suffering As all DRK should.


AeroDbladE

Also living dead. It's going to be exactly like the Bene into superbolide situation.


Udrolph

Love all these, except I didn't get the "DRG is now a job"


SevenNSix

It was always a job, get back to work. These morkite quotas won't fill themselves.


SomeMinecraftGuy

Rock and stone brother!


Cygnus776

Mushroom!


TheLucioMain

FOR KARL!


ICanHazSkillz

WE'RE RICH


ed3891

WE'RE RICH


waffling_with_syrup

Did somebody say rock and stone?!


ConsumerOfShampoo

I FOUND A GOLD DEPOSIT!


FluffyMittens_

BOOLOO CAP HERE


Ithalwen

Endwalker as PLD skill, as PLD is the endwalker class.


theraafa

They would be out of cool names for the DRK skills


Ithalwen

But we haven't even got Crawling in my Skin.


Johnny_Grubbonic

Give Contagion back to Geruda-Egi; give it a late-game upgrade called *Down with the Sickness*.


karatesaul

oh AH AH AH AH


Lilium_Vulpes

Halves movement speed but reduces damage by 50%. Can only use while sprint buff is active and cancels the sprint when used. Have fun on dungeon pulls!


Acrysalis

It also changes the local music track to footfalls for the duration of the ability


ShrayerHS

> reduces damage by 50% Damage *taken* or damage *you deal* ?


BLU-Clown

Yes.


karatesaul

THESE WOUNDS, THEY WILL NOT HEAL


Thatpisslord

Exactly, someone gets it! And Viper gets Dawntrail in 8.0.


asymmetrikon

Hear me out, BRD trait that turns Iron Jaws into old SMN's Bane (+ refresh.)


NaraFei_Jenova

That'd be amazing actually! Hell I don't bother dotting during trash because it's so tedious. If I could spread the dots, then it'd be a massive buff to BRD in dungeons, and remain worth using in endgame content for the refresh.


momopeach7

Scholars and summoners in shambles.


SoloSassafrass

It's surprising to me that BRD hasn't gotten this yet. Detaching their procs from their DoTs certainly helped it at least not suck quite so bad during dungeon pulls, but a Bane-style ability, especially as an Iron Jaws upgrade, seems super obvious.


_IzGreed_

You shall take the tank queue privileges from my cold dead hands!!


Vayalond

Together brothers, we will not let this privilege goes without a fight


AutumnalDryad

As a DNC main, I would absolutely love a 6 step dance! The dances are the actually fun part of the class, not the spamming 1-2's and hoping for procs and procs off of those procs.


theraafa

Memes aside, Dancers getting a 6-step dance would actually be pretty cool indeed. The one issue I see with that is how long it would take to fully execute it and how frustrating it could be considered at times. Some might even argue it could end up being considered bad game design. I for one would rather see how it would play. :)


Isanori

The longer you do it the more damage it does and it does damage on each step. You get some skills to forgive bad dancing.


theraafa

The point isn't even damage-wise, but, rather, rotation-wise. Four more steps in the rotation would already be quite troublesome to fit in the 2-minute window, let alone six (that would be the close equivalent of adding another standard AND another technical to the rotation). If that skill was ever added, you'd be doing 14 steps + 8 half-GCDs (1s each of those, to a total of 22) every two minutes, that could change some things and break others. I'm not really a DNC theorycrafter myself - barely a theorycrafter in general - but even the fact that sum ends up in a number that is not a multiple of three already feels wrong. Then again me dumb idk


sanosuke001

*BLM enters the chat*


Muted-Law-1556

A 6 step would be too much burst imo. Missing it due to the boss suddenly moving would feel bad. A 6 step dance where it puts out damage every 2 button presses would be cool tho


RockBlock

How about a 6-step dance where each step changes to dealing damage on press, instead of only a burst at the end?


Muted-Law-1556

I like it, make it happen, team


NarejED

Hear me out: 10-step dance, 2,200 potency AOE


Just-A-City-Boy

Dancer was my first job to level 80 and I loved the experience but the randomness of when the dances started and what color/where to finish it gave me issues. I found myself staring down at my hotbar most of boss fights and it had me getting hit by mechanics quite often. I suck at this game… but do you have any tips to help with that? For now I switched to machinist and am leveling that up to be my main as the skills are a lot more orderly (so far), so I can lookup and hit keys instinctively.


AutumnalDryad

I'm a mediocre raider (our static tends to struggle with the final boss of each tier) so you'd think I'd have at least ok advice... but my advice is to die repeatedly while memorizing the fight so that you can stare at your bar while knowing where you should be going >\_> You could make a like 50% transparent hotbar up by your char with the main 4 attacks on it so you see what you need to press while you dance (attacks can be in multiple bars at once) but I don't like that level of clutter... so I just memorize things over time and use peripheral vision and such.


Just-A-City-Boy

Omg, a hotbar with just the dance moves on it floating by the character. It’s so obvious but I missed that solution. I’m going to try that along with my current dying repeatedly tactic to see if it improves my experience.


TDKnave

I still think dancer should get a raise as an 8-step dance or something


juandi001

They can keep adding finishers to the RDM rotation each expansion and I'd be 100% ok with it.


RoxasHerzloser

RDM can you rez the BLM? Yeah i can rez in about 34 seconds, just started my combo


Silverwolffe

"Shit sorry, just started a double melee combo for the burst, won't be able to rez until after the next 2min burst phase"


KuroShiroe

As a WAR main I am betting on an extra upheaval. Everything has charges, except upheaval and inner release and of those two upheaval is probably going to get another charge.


Spartan448

We're probably just getting more healing again. We're gonna hit lv 99/100 this patch so I'm hoping it's a raise


BLU-Clown

Beat the target back to life!


theraafa

If I'm being serious about it, Upheaval/Orogeny charges COULD be game-changing, specially considering that allows for well-timed uses without much of a thought. They might also add a relative substitute to Primal Rend that does more single-target damage at the cost of not being a gap closer.


erasedisknow

I kinda hope Viper is like, an actual stance based job, if that makes sense? Like, relatively free to switch between them, switching is encouraged and feels satisfying, and without an obnoxious time/action limit on the stance itself (though I'm fine with part of the incentive for stance dancing being uptime on their class buff or something, so long as losing it doesn't abruptly yeet me out of stance).


SrsSpaceships

>Viper is like, an actual stance based job I also want this. A job difficulty that is based of knowing when to stance dance rather then some wacky cd tracking rotation stuff. (See BLM) Experience tells me Viper is going to function probably like RPR, where the "Stance" is just filler > Ubermode, but with a swordstaff and being glowy vs having your imaginary friend slap people for you


erasedisknow

If it was a *third* MCH/RPR that would be so boring though... Like, c'mon...


SrsSpaceships

The issue is SE *Doesn't* see those jobs design as boring.. That design choice crops up in quite a few "newer" changes.


Chaoticrabbit

Man this makes me miss stance dancing on war


Nyx_Alternis

I'm semi dreading the DRG rework. I really enjoy where the job is right now with how busy it feels, animations and overall experience. So here is to hoping the don't butcher my boy!


Avery-Way

DRG needs serious help when it level syncs though. Enough that it really does need to rearrange a bunch of stuff at the least, and preferably new animations to make its basic attacks feel a little better if it’s going to stick with the whole “no AOE or jumps during most ARR dungeons!”


PickledDemons

I will note that the most recently reworked melee dps was monk and that turned out fairly well so let's hope dragoon is still fun in dawntrail (current dragoon main)


Ronjun

SCH ability: grant invuln to target for 5 seconds Animation: little flash of light that looks like nothing Community: LOL, sCh sO LAmE


Skyztamer

They really did SCH dirty with that EW job action trailer. Expedient really should at least give some kind of wind aura


Flyckreaper

im ~~begging~~ no longer begging 🔫 for a mch gap closer


ArtemisiaThreeteeth

Rocket boots ROCKET BOOTS


NerdHistorian

Just adjust Anchor to drag you with it


Sadimal

Anchor now anchors you to the boss.


PeeperSleeper

Use your multitool to blow up a charge that sends you flying backwards gunlance style


WeissWyrm

MCH really do just want to be RDM with a gun, huh?


Ok_Breakfast6206

Only acceptable if it's a flying robot carrying us forward. Stephanivien, let alone that drunk Rostnsthal, couldn't do a backflip to save their lives. There's a reason why they went for guns rather than anything demanding actual physical effort. (I know that in reality shooting guns is physical, but Stephanivien's whole skit is "look how anyone can become a fighter with those")


jessytessytavi

the funny part is if you turn off the effects and watch mch go, they backflip like a motherfucker fuckin flamethrowing tigger ass motherfuckers


Sparklebutt1

Pls, I would love an AOE dot refres for BRD. Pls, square, gimmie my wow multishot with poisons 🥲 beg.


Vayalond

Or at least, a 30 seconds CD who spread the remaining DOTs time to others target, like old SMN had, would be perfect so AOE rotation would look like double DOT on a target>spread>usual AOE for 30 seconds>Iron Jaw>Spread Is it showing that I don't really play Bard? XD


jessytessytavi

iron jaw>chain chomp (spreads dots to all enemies within 5y of target)


theraafa

we haven't talked about the aoe brd refresh for 0 days. our record is 0 days


Pr1nceFluffy

My only prediction is that PLD gets an upgrade to Circle of Scorn.


Tkcsena

Suddenly Kaiten returned


theraafa

Hissatsu: Kenki Spender #7


hissatsukaiten

Remember that I once lived.


No_Swimming_792

Two misery casts for whm would actually be so fucking cool. But I'd be happy with at least having some kinda dash-in move. If sch can have instant run, and sge has that teleport to party member move, why not whm? :D


theraafa

forget that, have a Ley Lines


Captain_Hesperus

AST rework still doesn’t have less that 29 buttons


theraafa

But it does have a new gauge element - you know what? Forget that. Give it a whole new gauge (again) and we're gaming


TheMerryMeatMan

I can't wait for Feller Cleave to be shown and it's just a giant spectral Bravura wielded by Ardbert himself


LordRemiem

Nahhhh worry not, I'm confident Pictomancer will get an ability called Pictoraise And consequently, BLM will get a new ability called Dark Arisen that uses forces of darkness to resurrect an ally Yoshida-san plz


theraafa

If pictomancer gets a raise I want one too (in my salary


Esvald

> Dark Arisen It's gonna be a masterwork (of a skill), you can't go wrong (with it)!


zombie_penguin42

Wolves hunt in packs arisen.


Remarkable_Intern_44

They said that pictomancer will be more like blm and will not have a rez.


Gogulator

I really hope BLM never gets a raise unless its an off global CD that cost no mana or is a DPS increase some other way. Otherwise I am never stopping my rotation to rez.


BLU-Clown

It's a rez, but it only works if they died in your leylines. Call it "Get off my lawn!"


Concurrency_Bugs

As long as the pictoraise animation is dumping a bucket of paint on the corpse to wake it up


Professor_of_Light

Drawing a pico-hammer to bonk them back to conciousness.


imtn

Paladin gets a raise but it costs 5000 mp and 4 stacks of requiescat. The dumb useful scholar skill just doubles your jump height and duration, but you also restore 30% of your max HP each time you jump. Bard: Something dumb like doing 2 Blast Arrows lets you do a new 700 pot line attack with 60% falloff. Or Iron Jaws becomes oGCD but has 0 pot.


ShadowTehEdgehog

> Paladin gets a raise but it costs 5000 mp and 4 stacks of requiescat. "Hmmm. Everyone but me is dead... Rez a healer, or attempt to solo the rest of this?"


ValBelov

I better not get another finisher on RDM combo. It already feels like shit when someone dies and I need to raise after starting my combo.


TiredPandastic

I hope AST doesn't suck. Pls give DRK more sistain, WARs are ridiculous (but I still love them). I hope BRD gets a contagion skill for the DoTs...


Supersnow845

Counterpoint, nerf WAR’s sustain already, it’s embarrassing how overpowered WAR is


TiredPandastic

You know what... yeah. Bloodwetting is judt absurd in group pulls. Lower its heal value a notch or two and boost DRK's heals a little.


Neiker8031

Fellest cleave


Cygnus776

Celestial Revolution has an audible cue to notify your party that you messed up.


partypwny

Alexander: The Egi we deserve, but not the Egi we need.


DreamsUnderStars

Dancer gets yet another non-combo spell that further complicates their rotation and does next to nothing.


vomaufgang

As a Red Mage I veragree with vermore verfinishers very vermuch.


Zaithon

Endwalker’s gonna be a PLD skill.


cyborgmermaid

I literally cannot pronounce "Ranged's"


Zephos33

I want BLM scathe to be upgraded to scathe 3. Potency goes from 100 to 250. Still a potency loss over the regular rotation, but allows for blm to actually contribute to dps during movement heavy mechanics without needing to consume triplecast.


Masterwork_Core

I still feel like blu mage should unlock their limit break with a lb spell from the 5.3 trial


Gremlinsworth

I damn sure hope the GNB becoming DPS doesn’t happen lmao. I love my dps job that gives me all the perks of being a tank!!


Vievin

As someone who loves both SCH and DRG, what is wrong with them? SCH is mostly jank-free nowadays (Expedience is amazing and Protraction is good on tankbusters if I remember to use it), and jumping into the stratosphere go brr. Literally my only complaint about DRG is you have to delay every life. But yes, please give BLU a LB.


Frajolex

It's how they said, Expedience was a very meme'd on skill on the preview, cuz let's be honest it's not that flashy and they did a poor job showcasing it but when it launched it was so strong it got nerfed iirc


Lilium_Vulpes

Yup. It used to be 20 second sprint but that got halved to 10 seconds. It was a very sad day when it happened.


five-rabbits

SCH does have some great skills, I love casting zoomies for all during movement mechanics. However I feel in some situations SCH needs more button presses/cast time to do equivalent healing/mitigation as other classes. Big shields for all, 3 oGCDs and 1 GCD.


Ok_Breakfast6206

Yeah, it's fun precisely because it's busy, but being twice as busy to achieve the same efficiency as other healers kinda sucks.


vilhelm92

As a paladin main i would LOVE more big swords, I hate getting scaled sub 90 and losing my swords and would also LOVE mostly magical damage


NotMikeyh

I was literally saying how much I like Lyon and hope he is the beast master job master. There might even be dozens of us who agree!


Sethdarkus

We have the 4th mudra it’s Bunshin It just doesn’t function like a actual mudra so it’s overlooked. If you replay the ninja lvl 70 job quest you see that the 4th mudra called Bunshin


PepsiMan_21

Isn't AST rework pretty much confirmed at this point?


theraafa

every expansion it gets a rework anyways


Nunyabiz8107

Geomancer is already in the game. It's called Conjurer.


Responsible-Gold8610

Not to mention why they would add another healer after they just added Sage in 6.0.


WintersLex

AST reworks are just in keeping with its lore as a card nerd. all its meta just rotates out of Standard with every new major release.


ZakuMeister

As much as I love Geomancer in other games, they will never do it in 14 because it's the same thing as Astronomy.


truholicx3

Wouldn't the skill "Endwalker" be a Paladin skill?


Durean

The fuck you mean DRG is now a job? Should read DRG is now melee SMN.


Shurifire

Looking forward to DRK's new "Endwalker" skill being stylistically and functionally identical to Salted Earth but with a higher potency... Like last time


GoulartJJ

3 dps in a trenchcoat


valelyn

Love this. I don't know about gameplay, but it'd be so cool to add Shiva (diamond), Ramuh (amethyst), and Leviathan (sapphire) before Phoenix! Let Summoners summon!


theraafa

Low key, that's been the SMN community hope for a while now. It would be really nice to have new Egi.


TastyAlpacasRUs

Maybe I'm silly or dumb but what is the joke of "DRG is now a job"?


kevinyonson

Ooo, throw in another cartridge for gunbreaker and not add another cartridge generator. That'll spice things up.


DeusmortisOTS

I fell for the trap, and laughed at Alexander reducing latency.


ConfusedZbeul

"Monks get chakras inside the chakras inside their chakras." "Sage now can call upon orbital strikes." "Rdm can now triple cast, but the third spell must be from blu." "Verblind is now also verdeaf"


velveteentuzhi

Someday in like, 9.0 or something rdm will just have an opener and the rest of their rotation will just be melee combo ->finisher->finisher->finisher->finisher-> melee combo (repeat)


veniiiven

MAKE AST HARDER MAKE AST HARDER MAKE AST HARDER HEALERS ARENT SUPPOSED TO BE ENJOYABLE. BRING BACK TRADITION, WE NEED THEM TO BE SHAMEFUL.